Advisor Deathwing?!

[PotF]

Hey everyone! I got a question...

I was talking to my friend last night and he said that Deathwing was, (or is) the advisor to a child king. I don't know if he means the one in WoW or not...can anyone help me out in figuring out if there is any truth behind this or not? :scratch:

Thanks Everyone!

Edit: By advisor to the human king I of course mean in human form

[DeVries]

As I understand it, Deathwing is infact in Human guise, and is the advisor to Anduin Wrynn, king of Azeroth. :lady:

[ThunderHorn]

Yup. *does a backflip*

Deathwing is the epitomy of fuggin' cool. He's also in wow. I discovered this and a screenshot of him a few motnhs ago. I've lost the screeny since but hey :lol:

[DoomDrake]

Well, Deathwing became the human Lord Prestor and was responsible for the Alterac Crisis. That was before Reign of Chaos. So, now, after all this years (how many would that be? does someone know?), he tries to control Azeroth after he failed to control Lordaeron. He tried to destroy the Alliance once .... why not give it a second try?

This is written in "Day of the Dragon" from Richard A. Knaak. In the same book, there is a hint that Arthas will become evil. I can't wait to get "Well of Eternity"! It's making me crazy!!:flip:

[PotF]

Well, Deathwing became the human Lord Prestor and was responsible for the Alterac Crisis. That was before Reign of Chaos. So, now, after all this years (how many would that be? does someone know?), he tries to control Azeroth after he failed to control Lordaeron. He tried to destroy the Alliance once .... why not give it a second try?

This is written in "Day of the Dragon" from Richard A. Knaak. In the same book, there is a hint that Arthas will become evil. I can't wait to get "Well of Eternity"! It's making me crazy!!:flip:


I believe there are about 4 years between Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft...at least that's what I heard

[Maullus]

Greetings,

I'm not sure where ya'll are getting your confirmation on this from... Admittedly there is a similarity in the names of the advisor to the child king in WoW and the character from "Day of the Dragon," but it is not the same name.

Quite frankly, I'd be extremely disappointed if that character was Deathwing. Not only is it the exact same plot already introduced in a Warcraft story, but the names are similar. Why not just tattoo "Deathwing" on his forehead?

What's next? Jaina will fall to the dark side and become the Lich Queen? (Which would actually be at least slightly different from a previous plot, not a clone.)

I would love to see Deathwing in WoW...but perhaps in a slightly more impressive incarnation.

[Valon]

Well Maullus I for one haven't read the books but just from hearin the "speculation" goin on w/ deathwing and such i think i am goin to have to buy those books and read my lil heart out(i ain't the reader type but i love sci fi and fantasy stuff)

So if it WAS in the game like that I wouldn't mind it cuz it would let alot of us who didn't read the books(and won't bother gettin them cuz some of us refuse to read books) know what happened

[SirMoogie]

Well Maullus I for one haven't read the books but just from hearin the "speculation" goin on w/ deathwing and such i think i am goin to have to buy those books and read my lil heart out(i ain't the reader type but i love sci fi and fantasy stuff)

So if it WAS in the game like that I wouldn't mind it cuz it would let alot of us who didn't read the books(and won't bother gettin them cuz some of us refuse to read books) know what happened

Well you still won't get the story since WoW takes place after those events. You should still read the books if you have any interest in the story of warcraft.

[Nojin]

Maullus, 95% of WoW players will probably not have read Day of The Dragon. :D In other words... why not use a good plot? Does it really need to be original? Its not hard to believe, it's not far-fetched, so I see this as a "go for it, Blizzard!"

I think this would be the best thing that ever happened in the WoW plot. Humans absolutely NEEDED a leader with a good background, and Deathwing is positively it! Every other race leader has an indepth story (besides maybe Cairne). So far, the Humans do not.

[ThunderHorn]

Yeah, Nojin's right. *i* didn't know about that. Not very many people at all have read DotD. It'll be a big surprise to a lot of people.

edit- also, humans never found out about him. To them, he's still in high standing. He is just using his old handy identity.

[Pawn]

Greetings,

I'm not sure where ya'll are getting your confirmation on this from... Admittedly there is a similarity in the names of the advisor to the child king in WoW and the character from "Day of the Dragon," but it is not the same name.

Quite frankly, I'd be extremely disappointed if that character was Deathwing. Not only is it the exact same plot already introduced in a Warcraft story, but the names are similar. Why not just tattoo "Deathwing" on his forehead?

What's next? Jaina will fall to the dark side and become the Lich Queen? (Which would actually be at least slightly different from a previous plot, not a clone.)

I would love to see Deathwing in WoW...but perhaps in a slightly more impressive incarnation.

Of course blizzard never uses unoriginal plots in there games. I mean Diablo's storyline had to be the most original plot ever :uhhuh:

[Nojin]

Oh.. the Trolls don't have an indepth leader either... and um... the Dwarves don't either? I'm not sure.

[Vagrant]

What i dont get is why wouldnt the kirin tor, or whats left of them at least, allow him to return?

[Maullus]

Greetings,

Of course blizzard never uses unoriginal plots in there games. I mean Diablo's storyline had to be the most original plot ever :uhhuh:

Actually, the original Diablo's storyline was rather original. It borrowed heavily from Judeo-christian beliefs to form the structure of it, but it was well developed and, in the end, quite different from the source. Regardless, I'm not demanding something entirely new and unique, just asking that they don't reuse plots that they've already used... I mean, even the Arthas thing was a bit too much like Kerrigan.

Humans absolutely NEEDED a leader with a good background, and Deathwing is positively it! Every other race leader has an indepth story (besides maybe Cairne). So far, the Humans do not.

Valid point. If it makes a good story... :thumbsup: I'm all for Blizzard doing nearly whatever it takes to keep or improve upon the depth and continuity of their characters.

[Vagrant]

Ahh however Nojin and mallus blizz may be trying to carve out a new figure. Who knows warcraft 4 or wow2 may have a grown up king and this could be a solid foundation for that story. Especially considering he may be being molested by deathwing... the greatest evil ever known!

[Mad_Mat]

Ahh however Nojin and mallus blizz may be trying to carve out a new figure. Who knows warcraft 4 or wow2 may have a grown up king and this could be a solid foundation for that story. Especially considering he may be being molested by deathwing... the greatest evil ever known!
Sounds very Sargeras-Medivh-ish :lol:

[Diskordjah]

Sargeras turned Medivh against humanity: Deathwing would turn humanity against EVERYONE!! =D

[Xinhuan]

Talking about original storylines, I like the Starcraft one best of all. The SC manual's storyline is sooo interesting!

[Silverhandorder]

Deathwing is bad bad thing!! Even if humanity has no real leaders right now, I know that Blizz will never allow them to become evil. Even if the advisor is death wing the paladin orders are being reborn and they will surely intervene.

As for kirin tor Vag they all been destroyed by Arthas. Antonidas refused to leave Dalaran and faced Arthas with all of his council. The survivors then tried to prevent Arthas from opening the portal and all died. Then all Dalaran mages were massacured by Archimond.

[Diskordjah]

theres still Kirin Tor left. Jaina comes to mind, and there were surely other refugees before Archie

[Silverhandorder]

Ye mages of Dalaran survived and amny came with Jaine but the Council of Kirin'Tor was destroyed when they were protecting Antonidas and assoulting Kel'Thusad. Jaina maybe a powerful sourcerer but she can not revive the council alone. There was another Mage that fled, can't reember the name, but he was later killed when he fought with Proudmoore against orcs.

[Booms]

Maullus, 95% of WoW players will probably not have read Day of The Dragon. :D In other words... why not use a good plot? Does it really need to be original? Its not hard to believe, it's not far-fetched, so I see this as a "go for it, Blizzard!"

I never read Day of the Dragon, so Deathwing seems like a great plot to me.

[Valon]

I am still most definatly goin to pick up the book, besides if you probably do read the book i am sure you will know a few little tidbits that won't be shown in the game and it might help you along in the quest.


Besides I imagine they won't use it perfectly, I imagine as you begin to unfold this new deathwing crisis that some old hermit in a shack or somethin will tell you a summerized Day of the Dragon story and help push this new plot along.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Boy do I feel ignorant right now.
I always made a point of keeping up with the Warcraft story but I never got around to reading any of the Warcraft books. :(

But anyways, didnt Deathwing die in the second war? Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me but I seem to remember he did.
If so, how did he come back?

Not having read, Day of the Dragon, I think it is a very interesting storyline.

Guess I'll have to read up on things again.

[Nojin]

Pretty sure Deathwing just ran off in the end of DotD, then again, I never read the book. Also... we're getting into major spoiler territory now. :)

[Silverhandorder]

I asked my friend about Deathwing in DotD and he told me somthing unbelieveble I just ordered the book to read it.
He said that death winf never died but he was imprisoned in his human form after a battle with some kinda mage who turned into pheonix and fought him(this was not in the book!!!! so it may not be true but this is one o the theories there)
Also having Deathwing to be that boys advisor is very bad.
I only have this question why the f*** blizz want to make alliance or to be more precise humans the @ss of all races. First they are attacked by the plague. Then their prince goes insane and kills half of the lordearon, and destroys Dalaran.

[Vagrant]

SPOILER!!!







Deathwing wasnt trapped in human form. In DoD he was posing as an advisor and magically charmed the leaders of the humans into peace to allow him to rule alterac and thus gain a positon of power amongst the humans. However he also wanted alextresas (sp?) eggs to start his flight of dragons again (he killed all other black dragons so there are none to mate with). But he gets intercepted by the kirin tor and krasus who is actually a red dragon suitor to the dragon queen. He and rhonin (the main char) eventually get the support of the other aspects (well krasus does, rhonin is infiltrating the orc fortress in kaz mordan). In the fnal conflict rohinin destroys the demon soul (the artifact that allowed the orcs to control dragons and increase deathwings power. Deathwing asked the other aspects to give some of their power to create the artefact to stop the first demon invasion but he tricked them and after the invasion was quashed he gain some of their power and they lost at least 50% of theirs, thus the other aspects could never stop him) with a gem made from deathwings scale and the demon soul is destroyed. This returened th other aspects to full power and deathwing was beaten down. To avoid death he fled. That is the last we hear of him. So he is still out their, but definatley not dead. However here is the problem as i see it: why pose in a form which is known to others. I mean he could create a new facarde. Why prestor? Doesnt make much sense atm.

[Silverhandorder]

thx for clearing that up. I still have this question why would blizz put him in that position that dosent add anything to the plot or anythin important

[Vagrant]

What do u mean? Have him just standing there? Well the answer to that is how do you know he isnt. He would be the highest level content ever! so i doubt beta has the level or other such content to faciitate his story yet. I heard that the alliance story leads to the kidnaping of the child king or something (correct me if im wrong it may have just been someones speculation) and thus deathwing must have some involvement if he has been posing as an advisor. So i say sit tight, we shall see what happens. Remember too that DoD was pre war3 so deathwing may be back to try to deliver the deathblow to the crippled world in the wake of the second incasion.

[Onetusk]

Well I'm not sure if this is the same Prestor or not.. but since he's seemingly in the same room as Wrynn, it sounds like it's Deathwing to me. To see what I'm talking about go to Stormwind Atlas (http://wow.warcry.com/content/atlas/stormwind.php). Go to the far right to the castle "Stormwind Keep". And mouse over the small grey button second from the right. Almost directly in the middle of the castle. Read who stands there. Lord Daval Prestor II. King Anduin Wrynn.

Someone with a beta account should see if he/she can get to that spot and get a screenshot for us :)

[Diskordjah]

hmm, maybe the Keyword here is Lord Daval Prestor THE SECOND. perhaps Deathwing used an existing family name whewn he created his aristorcrat.

[Vagrant]

No he didnt. That was well established in the plot. That was also why the kirin tor realised something fishy was going on. Perhaps he escaped with an egg and restarted his flight? But i highly doubt it is the real family and even if it was it would be highly unlikely they too would become the ings advisor.

[Silverhandorder]

Two things all know as long as alliance plers are around we wont let that lil b**** do anything.
Death wing could have been some player walking around witht hte name and then he walked up close when that person took the screeny. The fact that the boy has a general to protect him is enogh.

[Vagrant]

What do you mean? I dont think that made much sense.

[Nojin]

:lol:

All I know... there's definitely something fishy going on... and it definitely has something to do with Deathwing.

What would WoW be without Deathwing? Is it really that unbelievable that we've already found him? :D

*poke*

[Brainless]

hey, ive never seen the books
can you get them in england?
maybe i should get them on the net
would you recommend the books?

[PotF]

What do you mean? I dont think that made much sense.

I agree with you... :scratch:

[PotF]

hey, ive never seen the books
can you get them in england?
maybe i should get them on the net
would you recommend the books?

The only place I've ever seen them is in Blizzard's online store... (http://shop.blizzard.com/section1/?user=xils8kr0VflkRvs3Wy3hnztNj56EApXUm/EKZOUEqgY=)

[PlagueBearer]

Personally, I'm glad that the humans have a leader who is at least somewhat competent. I mean, sure, Deathwing might not have our best intentions at heart, but he probably doesn't like the Undead. So he'll help us out against them. And at least he knows what he's doing; I don't think the Child King is really fit to run a nation by himself.

[Silverhandorder]

Listen to you're self Plague having Deathwing is a very bad thing!!! Even if he dosent like the undead he will side with demons and in a worse situation he will fail miserably to even controll the boy king.

[DeVries]

Personally, I'm glad that the humans have a leader who is at least somewhat competent. I mean, sure, Deathwing might not have our best intentions at heart, but he probably doesn't like the Undead. So he'll help us out against them. And at least he knows what he's doing; I don't think the Child King is really fit to run a nation by himself.


At the very least, it will mean for some interesting politics! :thumbsup:

[SpanGi]

"The Well of Eternity" rocks ;D don't worry.. and a bit about Deathwing (and his REAL name.. he wasn't evil all the time you know? Say hello to THE EARTH WARDER :D ok, no more spoiler.. tee-hee!). Fantastic read indeed.. can't wait for the sequel (have to wait to November :/)

Anyway, maybe Prestor is somekind of a easteregg for the ones of us interrested in the Warcraft History and the life.. or just for teasing. Or part of Major World Event? :surprise:

[Wickedly_Evil]

I suspect it is something of an easter egg at this point but Will be made into a major plot event later. Some say it is stupid that the dragon returned with the same name, but after a war that nearly destroyed the race..... I suspect the story will tell us that certain particular aspects of history were forgotten. Besides as an advisor to the king you could probably get away with destroying such documents. Let us also not to forget that the best way to manipulate someone is when they are unaware you are doing so.

[SpanGi]

Besides as an advisor to the king you could probably get away with destroying such documents. Let us also not to forget that the best way to manipulate someone is when they are unaware you are doing so.
Well, actually only the Kiron Tor was kind of aware that there was something strange about Prestor, not actually that he was Deathwing himself. Only Krasus managed to solve that thing ("Day of the Dragon" again). But well, at this point of the Warcraft story, it's unknown whether Krasus is alive, or more important; does the Kirin Tor know..?

Only time can answer this one i guess.

[Vrykilakas]

Wow this thread is radical! I didn't know any of this... Like many others I know have my eye on those books!

[SpanGi]

Wow this thread is radical! I didn't know any of this... Like many others I know have my eye on those books!
Only us true Warcraft lore-nerds can know these strange things... :lol:

[lord-of-shadow]

At the end of Day of the Dragon, nobody aside from Krasus/Korialstrasz and the Dragon Flights knew that Prestor was actually Deathwing. He never reveals this information to the Kirin Tor or any of the human leaders.

And as for Krasus... well, nobody knows where he is during WoW. We'll have to wait until they finish writing the War of the Ancients trilogy to figure that out.


I suspect it is something of an easter egg at this point but Will be made into a major plot event later.

I am inclined to agree. Blizzard does a wonderful job of setting up future plots for future games with hints like these. I'm willing to bet that that is what this is, a hint for a future plot, and one that has little or no bearing on WoW itself.

"The Well of Eternity" rocks ;D don't worry.. and a bit about Deathwing (and his REAL name.. he wasn't evil all the time you know? Say hello to THE EARTH WARDER

It reveals that Deathwing was once known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder in the Warcraft 3 manual, if my memory serves It's far from new information ;)


Two things all know as long as alliance plers are around we wont let that lil b**** do anything.

If Blizzard decided to put Deathwing in a role like that, I doubt there's anything you Alliance players could do about it, you know. Heh.


But anyways, didnt Deathwing die in the second war? Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me but I seem to remember he did.
If so, how did he come back?

If my memory serves, one of the Human missions in Beyond the Dark Portal is to kill Deathwing... as far as I know, it's never explained how he survives that.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think I can make a guess: In DotD, they mention how the Kirin Tor banded together to kill Deathwing, and how he fell into the sea, supposedly dead. The two incidents are probably one and the same.

Even if humanity has no real leaders right now, I know that Blizz will never allow them to become evil.

Surely you realize by now that Blizzard's races are never so black and white, so clear cut in their alignments?


Even if he dosent like the undead he will side with demons and in a worse situation he will fail miserably to even controll the boy king.


Deathwing was never an ally of the Demons. They certainly don't share the same goals. Judging by DotD's info, Deathwing aims to create a world where Dragons rule, and either enslave or destroy the "lesser" races. He also wants to revive a flight of his own.

[quote]he also wanted alextresas (sp?) eggs to start his flight of dragons again (he killed all other black dragons so there are none to mate with)./quote]

He didn't directly kill them. His flight was an indirect casualty of his plans, having all died off trying to aid him.


EDIT: Eh. I need to learn to summarize my thoughts better ;)

[SpanGi]

It reveals that Deathwing was once known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder in the Warcraft 3 manual, if my memory serves It's far from new information ;)
Like where? I can't find it..? :spy:

[lord-of-shadow]

Well... after a quick look through the manual, it seems I was mistaken. It mentions Neltharion the Earth-Warder(page 136), but doesn't mention that he and Deathwing are one and the same.

[yuvix3]

Let's get it staight!

Deathwing was a black dragon, leader of all the black dragons. He helped the horde during the aftermatch of the Second War (Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal). The orc's captured the great Red Dragon called Alextrassa or something like that. While she was captured, deathwing flied to the unprotected World Tree, to destroy all life, in name of the Burning Legion. Then some human, dwarf and elf stopped the orcs rescued the red one. She was to late. But some Gryphon Rider killed Deathwing on it's way to the World Tree. (don't remembet his name)

Tell me if I am wrong, but I think Deathwing was a dragon and is dead. I can't image him being a human. :scratch:

[lord-of-shadow]

Yuvix, you are very confused. It's a rather pitiful sight, actually.

1. Deathwing is NOT in league with the Burning Legion. His goal is to create a world ruled by Dragons and to start a new flight of his own.

2. OBVIOUSLY Deathwing is a dragon, but he DID magically wear the form of the Human Prestor in Day of the Dragon.

3. He never flies to the world tree to try to destroy it, and he doens't get killed by Gryphon Riders while doing so. I don't know where you got that idea.

4. Destroying the world tree wouldn't end all life. The Burning Legion is after it in Warcraft 3 so that Archimonde can absorb it's powers, not becauise destroying it will have any disastrous effect on life in general.

5. Deathwing is not dead.

[SirMoogie]

Let's get it staight!

Deathwing was a black dragon, leader of all the black dragons. He helped the horde during the aftermatch of the Second War (Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal). The orc's captured the great Red Dragon called Alextrassa or something like that. While she was captured, deathwing flied to the unprotected World Tree, to destroy all life, in name of the Burning Legion. Then some human, dwarf and elf stopped the orcs rescued the red one. She was to late. But some Gryphon Rider killed Deathwing on it's way to the World Tree. (don't remembet his name)

Tell me if I am wrong, but I think Deathwing was a dragon and is dead. I can't image him being a human. :scratch:

Deathwing is a dragon who can take on human form like all the great dragons (not just aspects, as Krasus can as well). According to the book, which aggrandizes the Warcraft II missions dealing with Deathwing and Alexstrasza, there is a battle in which the alliance participates. However, Deathwing is ultimately defeated, rather made to flee, by the dragon aspects after the demon soul is destroyed. From my recollection the world tree was never involved in these events, especially not the Warcraft II missions since it didn't exist, in concept, at that time.

[Nojin]

This thread will never die... like Deathwing himself. :D

[Scorch]

Cool thread :)

Have you heard about the lore quests in WoW? For some quests you're asked to retrieve a book or a scroll or something, and you have to read it. When you get back to the questgiver, you're quizzed on the contents (multiple choice)! The answers are pretty easy, for example there was this 14 page in-game book about the history of dragon flights, and when you return you're asked the real name of Deathwing. Anyone here remember what it was? :)

- Scorch
Cui ci sono dei monstri

[Nojin]

Cool thread :)

Have you heard about the lore quests in WoW? For some quests you're asked to retrieve a book or a scroll or something, and you have to read it. When you get back to the questgiver, you're quizzed on the contents (multiple choice)! The answers are pretty easy, for example there was this 14 page in-game book about the history of dragon flights, and when you return you're asked the real name of Deathwing. Anyone here remember what it was? :)

- Scorch
Cui ci sono dei monstri
That's the first I've heard of it! Sounds like a great idea... :D

[lord-of-shadow]

First I've heard of these lore quests. First details, at least. I love the sound of them.

And of course I remember Deathwing's first name... Neltharion the Earth-Warder.

[SpanGi]

First I've heard of these lore quests. First details, at least. I love the sound of them.
Agreed, those ones really sound cool! One gotta love Blizzard for such a detail. Great type of reward for our hard work in Warcraft Lore. :D
And of course I remember Deathwing's first name... Neltharion the Earth-Warder.
Yup, good old Neltharion! :D There's a very cool part from "Well of Eternity" where Krasus meets Neltharion in the time just before he goes "evil" and names himself Deathwing. Love that one. And no, it would take me forever to write it in here.. Buy the book! :thumbsup:

[SirMoogie]

Agreed, those ones really sound cool! One gotta love Blizzard for such a detail. Great type of reward for our hard work in Warcraft Lore. :D

Yup, good old Neltharion! :D There's a very cool part from "Well of Eternity" where Krasus meets Neltharion in the time just before he goes "evil" and names himself Deathwing. Love that one. And no, it would take me forever to write it in here.. Buy the book! :thumbsup:


SPOILERS
....

Technically we find out Krasus was wrong about Neltharion since we know what Deathwing does to Krasus at the meeting of the aspects. Apparently Neltharion turned evil before Krasus had thought.

[SpanGi]

SPOILERS
....

Technically we find out Krasus was wrong about Neltharion since we know what Deathwing does to Krasus at the meeting of the aspects. Apparently Neltharion turned evil before Krasus had thought.
Yeah, but it was before Neltharion "published" that he was Deahtwing. But ofcourse, you're right :)

[yuvix3]

Yes, you're right! Deathwing didn't fly to the World Tree, but he is killed by a Gryphon Rider!!!

First I've heard of these lore quests. First details, at least. I love the sound of them.

You're right again, he was one of the great aspects. Together with Alextraza, Malygos, Ysera and Nozdormu. :thumbsup: Got the official Manual WarIII in my hand :flip:

Proof:

http://rodimusconvoy.com/icon/previews/warctaft.gif

Above the grey, left of Turalyon, you see Kurdan, he's the Gryphon Rider, also you can see Deathwing, as dragon :evil:

[Cheeky2525]

Greetings,

I'm not sure where ya'll are getting your confirmation on this from... Admittedly there is a similarity in the names of the advisor to the child king in WoW and the character from "Day of the Dragon," but it is not the same name.

Quite frankly, I'd be extremely disappointed if that character was Deathwing. Not only is it the exact same plot already introduced in a Warcraft story, but the names are similar. Why not just tattoo "Deathwing" on his forehead?

What's next? Jaina will fall to the dark side and become the Lich Queen? (Which would actually be at least slightly different from a previous plot, not a clone.)

I would love to see Deathwing in WoW...but perhaps in a slightly more impressive incarnation.

Not sure if this was a reliable source, but when the Horde raided Stormwind; I heard that a couple of rouges made it to the king, but when one of them backstabbed him the king unleased a large BLACK dragon(Deathwing?) on them and owned them all.

[lord-of-shadow]

King Llane gets assasinated by Garona when Stormwind falls to the Horde, no dragons involved.

Yes, you're right! Deathwing didn't fly to the World Tree, but he is killed by a Gryphon Rider!!!

One of the missions in Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal is to kill Deathwing... you also get Kurdran in that level. However, with the release of Warcraft 3 and the Warcraft books, a few details and story pieces from Warcraft 1 and 2 have been replaced or ignored in favor of new stuff, and this is one of them.

[Havard]

I have heard the same thing as lord-of-shadow. You're supposed to ignore some of the endings for WC2 because they conflict with the current plot direction.

[PlagueBearer]

They're pretty good at setting stuff up in their books. Did anyone here who read DotD catch the bit about the Naga and the Nerubians? Check out the bit where the visit Malygos, the blue dragon and aspect of Magic (i.e, Ice). He lives in Northrends, and he doesn't take human form like the other dragons do... he takes Nerubian form, if you read the description. Plus, Krasus notices a frozen Naga in the chamber, too.

If memory serves, that's the Naga's first appearance in the WarCraft series. :thumbsup:

Yeah, at first I was pissed when I found out that King Wyrnn is just a kid, but with Deathwind backing him up, it should be pretty sweet. Like we've already said, he doesn't like Demons or Undead, so while he might betray us eventually, it won't be to either of those factions. Keep an eye on him, but it seems like a good arrangement to me.

[yuvix3]

All right then, the ending of Deathwing will be unknown until blizzard tells us more. But I have found a bug in the story of Warcraft! (I like the story a lot! :evil: )

When Ogrim Doomhammer, chieftain of the Horde kills the Shadow Council, Gul'dan (last of the warlocks) survives and summons Death Knights to aid the Horde, in return for his life. At some point he sails to the west, to the tomb of Sargeras. There he is killed by crazed demons. But now the "problem", when I play a Sunken Ruins Titleset, (tropical) you see creeps called Stormreaver Warlock or something like that! But Gul'dan was last of the Warlocks. And that old orc telling his story to Maiev Schadowsong? He said he was last of the Orcish Warlocks.

hmmm... :scratch:

[lord-of-shadow]

The Warcraft series is filled with little story holes. Not hard to find.

THe way Doomhammer is portrayed in the Warcraft 2 manual, for instance, is completely different from the way he's portrayed in Lord of the Clans.

Or the aforementioned mission to kill Deathwing in the human campaign of Beyond the Dark Portal.

[Semidi]

He's ALIVE!
Do you remeber how hard he was to kill? He had a bajillion HP,and Remeber in W2 when you killed a flyer and he umm... explode. I was pretty sure he was dead... Guess I get another chance to kill him. kill him dead.

[yuvix3]

I want to know if you can visit Quel'thalas, or Caer Darrow, the island in the middle of the Darrowmare Lake. With the Runestone mission. I wonder if there are any high elves left :scratch:

[lord-of-shadow]

The High Elves are, for the msot part, changed to Blood Elves, and most of them followed Kael'thas and Illidan into Draenor and then Northrend.

[yuvix3]

I know that! But some say still some high elves wander at the borders of Quel'thalas... And there are some High elves in Stormwind Keep, at the Mage District!

[SirMoogie]

According to the roleplaying books for Warcraft the high elves still exist. Though occassionally the blood elves come into Azeroth from Outland to try and convert their brothers to their cause. Quel Thalas does not appear on the world map, but I believe Blizzard said it would become available in the future (expansion or patch).

[Scorch]

I want to know if you can visit Quel'thalas, or Caer Darrow, the island in the middle of the Darrowmare Lake. With the Runestone mission. I wonder if there are any high elves left :scratch:

Can someone fill me in on what Caer Darrow is? I can certainly confirm it's in the game :), it's sort of an off-limits area right now but I've swam to the island before and there is certainly something impressive still left there. Darrowmare Lake itself is huge too, the size of a medium zone.

Quel'Thalas will not be in, it's being saved for an expansion. Right now the only way to get to it is to go through the Eastern Plaguelands, which I believe is a lvl 50-60 zone and filled to the brim with the blight and the Scourge. It's one of the few areas my invisible mage is scared to go, so I'm not sure if the gates there are locked or blocked off or what.

- Scorch
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[OneMadOgre]

Hmmm. I need to get busy on legends again.

http://worldofwar.net/locations/quelthalas.php

[Semidi]

I'm not sure but if you played warcraft2 there was a mission to caer darrow as orcs. I think you got the runestone to create those nasty ogre magi at the alter of storms. It's been a long time!

[lord-of-shadow]

Yes.... Page 71 of the Warcraft 2 manual(Ogre-Magi description):
By warping and twisting the Elf-magiks of the Runestone at Caer Darrow, Gul;dan was able to infuse the magical abilities of lond dead Warlocks into the bodies of these unsuspecting hosts.

Page 81(Altar of Storms description):
Carved from the Runstone at Caer Darrow, the Altar of Storms channels dark and arcane energies through the bronze figures that tower above it to pervert the innate Elven magiks of the Runestone.

[Scorch]

Ah, okay that makes more sense. :)

Here's why I was confused: when I went to Caer Darrow, there was a Dark Portal there.

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But I'm sure it's a placeholder graphic for the Runestone or whatever they're gonna put in. I've been to the REAL Dark Portal in the Blasted Lands, and it's this humongous thing in the middle of a giant crater. There are level 60 Doomguards patrolling the perimeter and tribes of Draenei scattered around it.

- Scorch
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[Semidi]

Do Draenei look as freeky as they did in TFT you know the 2 rows of teeth and the wierd nose?

[Diskordjah]

Hmmm. I need to get busy on legends again.

http://worldofwar.net/locations/quelthalas.php

no, but your really need to get busy with the WoW cartography section, especially the Arathi Highlands and the Hillsbrad Foothills!
:thumbsup: :worship:

all in all, the cartography section has been neglected lately, its not even the most complete one on the net anymore! =/

Scorch: would you happen to have the parchment in-game map thingy for the swamp of sorrows? Id kill for a screenshot of it!


oh, and Draenei look as freaky as ever.

[Scorch]

Scorch: would you happen to have the parchment in-game map thingy for the swamp of sorrows? Id kill for a screenshot of it!

Parchment map? The Swamp of Sorrows map isn't hand drawn yet, so all it is is the computer generated one. I just took a screenie of it though and marked it up with some spots of interest -

http://kevinho.net/gallery/albums/wowbeta/z_swampofsorrows.jpg

I also took a screenshot of the Darrowmere Lake region for anyone who's interested -

http://kevinho.net/gallery/albums/wowbeta/z_darrowmere.jpg

- Scorch
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[Diskordjah]

sweet!

what kind of orcs live in Stonard? are they "regular" horde, Blackrock Clan, Dragonmaw or what are they?

[yuvix3]

GREAT!!! Thnx! :thumbsup:
I really needed a map of Caer Darrow, only Stonard is not the only orc village, there was another one in Warcraft One, called Rockard...

Again thnx! :thumbsup:

[Valon]

All right then, the ending of Deathwing will be unknown until blizzard tells us more. But I have found a bug in the story of Warcraft! (I like the story a lot! :evil: )

When Ogrim Doomhammer, chieftain of the Horde kills the Shadow Council, Gul'dan (last of the warlocks) survives and summons Death Knights to aid the Horde, in return for his life. At some point he sails to the west, to the tomb of Sargeras. There he is killed by crazed demons. But now the "problem", when I play a Sunken Ruins Titleset, (tropical) you see creeps called Stormreaver Warlock or something like that! But Gul'dan was last of the Warlocks. And that old orc telling his story to Maiev Schadowsong? He said he was last of the Orcish Warlocks.

hmmm... :scratch:


Gul'dan was LAST of the SHADOW COUNCIL if memory serves correctly, I don't recall seeing he was the LAST of the orc warlocks though. The Shadow Council was composed of the greatest orc warlocks and maybe whenever they killed all orc warlocks were considered dead since the remaining ones were....pathetic.....when compared to that of the Shadow Council warlocks.

The Twilight Hammer clan and the Stormreaver clan were the 2 orc clans that composed the orcish war machines spellcasters and they died by Doomhammers armies whenever Gul'Dan and Cho'gal left to go after the Tomb of Sarages(sp?). The OTHER clans DID infact have other warlocks/orge-magi just probably not of the same caliber as those that were in the Stormreaver/Twilight Hammer clans.


As for the stormreaver warlocks in thw wc3 tft mission, weren't they only alive because of some curse? Or was there other stormreaver warlocks I am forgetting about?

[Diskordjah]

whenever Blizzard says anything about something being the last, stop reading!!

theres been the last warlocks, the last draenei, the last everything really. it seldom turns out to be true. Gul'dan as described as the last warlock actually, not only as the last of the Council.

[yuvix3]

Gul'dan was the last warlock yes, and I know all the stuff of the Stormreaver & Twilighthammer Clan (I have the official manual you know! :rant: ). But it's just a stupid mistake in the story of warcraft.

But still the story RoX :yep:

check out http://sonsofthestorm.com!

[Scorch]

sweet!

what kind of orcs live in Stonard? are they "regular" horde, Blackrock Clan, Dragonmaw or what are they?

Yeah, regular horde, Stonard's the base town in the area for the Horde side. The Dragonmaws are camped in the mountains north of Loch Modan, harassing the dwarves. Blackrock, I think they're mostly in Blackrock Mountain, but they've got raids going down into Redridge/Lakeshire. Both tribes are just Alliance fodder/mobs.

- Scorch
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[SpanGi]

Hi Scorch, I got a bit carried away by your map-shots, and saw that you marked out Medivh's Tower...

Kind of off-topic maybe, but could you have a look at that place? :D I would very much like info, a journal could be cool with the historical aspect in the background (read: The Last Guardian :spy: )

:worship:

[yuvix3]

Look! I duk up a old Warcraft I map... with Stonard & Rockard, also Medihv's Tower in the middle. In his tower, Medihv is killed by some human troopers. They knew that he had shown Gul'dan the world of Azeroth.

Link for the map: http://helios.acomp.usf.edu/~sfortinb/warcraft.jpg

[SirMoogie]

Look! I duk up a old Warcraft I map... with Stonard & Rockard, also Medihv's Tower in the middle. In his tower, Medihv is killed by some human troopers. They knew that he had shown Gul'dan the world of Azeroth.

Link for the map: http://helios.acomp.usf.edu/~sfortinb/warcraft.jpg

Spoilers
......

Actually he is killed by Khadgar, Lothar, and Garona in the more elaborated story on Medivh in "The Last Guardian" book.

[Scorch]

Look! I duk up a old Warcraft I map... with Stonard & Rockard, also Medihv's Tower in the middle. In his tower, Medihv is killed by some human troopers. They knew that he had shown Gul'dan the world of Azeroth.

Link for the map: http://helios.acomp.usf.edu/~sfortinb/warcraft.jpg

LOL that's a cool old map. It's like there's been an earthquake or something and everything's now shifted 45 degrees anticlockwise :). Stormwind, Goldshire, and Northshire Abbey look dead on in-game but that's about it, hehe. Medivh's Tower is in Deadwind Pass, it's still not finished yet (I suspect an instance) and it's surrounded by guardians of blizzard. But that's never stopped me, I'll still take a look at it later though :)

As for Stonard, I get the impression being there that it's a new Horde outpost, named after the old village. That would explain why it's suddenly moved across the map.

- Scorch
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[Diskordjah]

cheers for the most helpfu beta tester yet! hurrah! :clap:

as for the old map... well, blizzard changes their maps more often than their udnerwear, really =/

[yuvix3]

LOL that's a cool old map. It's like there's been an earthquake or something and everything's now shifted 45 degrees anticlockwise . Stormwind, Goldshire, and Northshire Abbey look dead on in-game but that's about it, hehe. Medivh's Tower is in Deadwind Pass, it's still not finished yet (I suspect an instance) and it's surrounded by guardians of blizzard. But that's never stopped me, I'll still take a look at it later though

Also counts for the Warcraft II map of Azeroth & Lordaeron... Can someone please tell me if Azeroth & Lordaeron are connected, apart of eachother, or are connected by 3 bridges? :scratch:

[lord-of-shadow]

Lordaeron is connected to Khaz Modan by three small landbridges.... Khaz Modan and Azeroth are the same landmass despite being considered two different continents, much like Europe and Asia.

According to the Warcraft 2 map, at least.

[Scorch]

Lordaeron is connected to Khaz Modan by three small landbridges.... Khaz Modan and Azeroth are the same landmass despite being considered two different continents, much like Europe and Asia.

According to the Warcraft 2 map, at least.

I guess that changed again... Lordaeron is now connected to Azeroth through Thandol Span (http://kevinho.net/gallery/albums/journal6/j6_bridge.jpg) (check the minimap), a suspension bridge between Arathi and the Wetlands.


- Scorch
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[Nirolo]

Just so everyone knows about Deathwing

I invaded Stormwind as a Tauren with Body Pulling.

He is

"Lord Daval Prestor II"
However if you look closer

Lord Daval Prestor II
Level ?? Dragon

That should settle this

I have S/S If I utterly have to show

[Ravashak]

Even though i still doubt it is really Deathwing, it would provide an explanation for the renewed Alliance-Horde war. It's not like he's never plotted before (i suspect that he manipulated Lord Perenolde of Alterac in Warcraft 2 to aid the Horde, and if he had a lot of foresight, Day of the Dragon would be a result of that action). I mean, he singlehandedly brought war to Azeroth =)

[Diskordjah]

seriously? a screen where it says he is a dragon? please post it!

you utterly have to show it!

[Nirolo]

I have it but um I have nowhere to host it =(

Edit: I'd like to say that while doing quests there is a Level 40 Quest to kil Perenolde...Its near Alterac too..

[SpanGi]

I have it but um I have nowhere to host it =(

Edit: I'd like to say that while doing quests there is a Level 40 Quest to kil Perenolde...Its near Alterac too..Could you send if for me over my email? Then I'll try to host it somewhere :)

Anyway, nice detail. Neltharion//Deathwing is one tough bastard, and i always wondered how Prestor really looks (havn't seen any screen of him yet :( ).

[Scorch]

I have it but um I have nowhere to host it =(

Edit: I'd like to say that while doing quests there is a Level 40 Quest to kil Perenolde...Its near Alterac too..

Perenolde was a major character? Cool. :) He's a real pain to fight though, he has priest spells and lots of mana. I tried to solo him with my mage, and I ended up fighting him for 10 minutes straight, neither of us could kill each other. He kept healing himself, then I'd sleep him and I'd heal myself, and this went on and on. Complete stalemate. Was kind of funny now that I think about it.

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[SpanGi]

Perenolde was a major character? Cool. :) He's a real pain to fight though, he has priest spells and lots of mana. I tried to solo him with my mage, and I ended up fighting him for 10 minutes straight, neither of us could kill each other. He kept healing himself, then I'd sleep him and I'd heal myself, and this went on and on. Complete stalemate. Was kind of funny now that I think about it.
Lol, you should try that again and make it a movie or something. :D
Anyway, who was that Perenolde? Name doesn't ring a bell... :scratch:

[Diskordjah]

Perenolde was the regent of Alterac in WC2. he betrayed humanity to the orcish horde and allied with them instead of regular pinkskins.

in wc3 he was shown as a death knight though, what is he in WoW?? who gave ye the quest? tell us aaaaall!

[yuvix3]

Perenolde was a human leader of Alterac, he betrayed the Alliance. He let the horde pass, and suplied important information to Ogrim Doomhammer. Later, in Warcraft III, it seems that he is a Death Knight... don't know how that could happend... :scratch:

Someone please add some information

[SpanGi]

Perenolde was the regent of Alterac in WC2. he betrayed humanity to the orcish horde and allied with them instead of regular pinkskins.

in wc3 he was shown as a death knight though, what is he in WoW?? who gave ye the quest? tell us aaaaall!
Hmm, never seen that name in WC3? Where is that..? :scratch: But well, seems like the rulers of Alterac are only strange guys.. hmm :P

[lord-of-shadow]

What? When does he appear in Warcraft 3?

[Diskordjah]

Baron Perenolde was one of the proper names for the death knights. now, all the other ones had name like Lord Darkscythe, Duke Ragereaver and other similarly violent ones. Perenolde, however, does not follow the style. I reckon it was something of an easter egg lorewise, like how they killed off Rend and Maim in TFT.

[SpanGi]

Baron Perenolde was one of the proper names for the death knights. now, all the other ones had name like Lord Darkscythe, Duke Ragereaver and other similarly violent ones. Perenolde, however, does not follow the style. I reckon it was something of an easter egg lorewise, like how they killed off Rend and Maim in TFT.
So, if I got this right, Perenolde makes an "appearance" as an easter-egg, since one of the possible Death Knight names possible in multiplayer is "Baron Perenolde"? Cool, but a bit strange though... But it could just be the Scourge brought him back... somehow :scratch:

[Diskordjah]

ya... or he simply joined the scourge like Kel'thuzad when "the lich king sent out summons over the world" sort of thing. hah, he might even have been converted by the Cult :lol:

interesting would be to see whether he's Scourge or Forsaken now, he doesnt appear to be the loyal kind!

[yuvix3]

In Warcraft 3 TFT, there are more Easter Eggs, like Sylvos Windrunner, from Sylvanas Windrunner, and a Priestress of the Moon who called ... Wisperwind, and a Warden also called Wisperwind. And a demonhunter, called Shadowsong, from you know who...

There are more, but I can't think of them... :scratch:

And Rend & Maim in the Black Citadel yes. Last mission of the Blood Elves... :flip:

[gforce99]

This is such a wild and informative thread. I just had to resurrect it!

[LameAim]

In Warcraft 3 TFT, there are more Easter Eggs, like Sylvos Windrunner, from Sylvanas Windrunner, and a Priestress of the Moon who called ... Wisperwind, and a Warden also called Wisperwind. And a demonhunter, called Shadowsong, from you know who...

There are more, but I can't think of them... :scratch:

And Rend & Maim in the Black Citadel yes. Last mission of the Blood Elves... :flip:
Who were these Rend and Maim fellows?

[Diskordjah]

Rend and Maim were the sons of Blackhand the Destroyer, the orcish warchief through half of warcraft 1. they were also the ones who captured alexstrasza the dragon queen and gave the horde access to dragons in warcraft 2. when Doomhammer killed Blackhand they left the Blackrock Clan and either formed or joined the Black Tooth Grin Clan.

apparently they survived Doomhammer, survived Draenor blowing up, survived two decades of demonic rule, only to be killed by some pesky elves. sheesh.