Problems with the world

[DizzyPenguin]

In forums there always seem to be people who just get mad at others for the smallest reason, or say something completely rude. So i decided to make a thread where everyone could just get it off of there chests. basically just list things that you have a problem with anywhere in the world. also feel free to elaborate on anything you want :thumbsup:


-the war in iraq
-people calling french fries freedom fries
-politicians
-my chemistry teacher
-living in florida against my will
-texas (why can't we mess with you?)
-people who make stupid threads....

well, have fun bashing, ranting, getting censored, and ummm being rude. :flip:

[Graav Wolfsong]

I blame it all on rap music!! That and all those dirty teens! :rant:

[Essex]

yes but if we do this then the off topic fourm would die. I like seeing several topics on here, if you don't like the debates then don't come here :)

[Havard]

"Don't Mess With Texas" has a simple explanation.

It was originally the slogan for an anti-litter campaign, and people picked up on it. Kind of like "Just Say No" or "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires", only much cooler sounding.

[DizzyPenguin]

yes but if we do this then the off topic fourm would die. I like seeing several topics on here, if you don't like the debates then don't come here :)
ssshhhhhhhh.... that was my intent with this thread. this would be the place for people to come and straight up duke it out verbally. damn those kids and their hippity-hop music....and their skatebords on the sidewalks :rant:


-dizzieth penguinus-

p.s. i listen to hip-hop and skateboard.....


oh yeah... I'LL GO TO WHATEVER FORUMS I WANT TO!!!

[Essex]

well dizzy i wasn't saying you shouldn't but in the off topic fourm you shouldn't expect their to be one thread dedicated to world problems. Now if this group of fourms only had the community froums then ya a stickty that said "politics" or "off topic" or "world problems" would be ideal but that's why we have this space. Especially since they took us off the front page we should have as many threads as we want

Of course your welcome to all of them :)

there are several threads that are non political though just jump in on those.

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

World problems? The is only one which is the cause of many. Humans are inherently stupid. People are stupid. Not which people, not black people, not jews, not muslims, not young, not old... just people.

Quite simply:

People are stupid.

[Danny5]

Hmm.. Things I hate.

- Hippies
- Hunters
- Feminists
- Protestors
- Stupid Conservatives
- ******** Liberals
- Druggies
- People that don't understand how I think
- The French(Take a bloody bath)
- People that take offense in what I say(Though it is amusing)

And most importantly, the bane of the entire world.
- Humanity

[Booms]

- Stupid People
- Being interrupted
- Being ignored
- George W Bush
- Most People
- Bible-thumpers
- My English teacher
- Religious Fanatics
- Stupid Conservatives

[Havard]

Things I hate:

Stereotyping (such as lumping people into useless and often offensive categories like "Bible-thumpers" or "religious fanatics")

Things I like:

G ay people
Straight people
Liberals
Conservatives
Hippies
Yuppies
Religious people
Spiritual people
Atheists
Most people

[SaroDarksbane]

As both my favorite comedian, and one of the great thinkers of our time, Lewis Black is on the right track I think.

In one of his standup skits, while talking about Iraq, he emphasized how important it was to be able to laugh about things in times like this. He said that if we don't, we risk becoming like the people we are fighting. Those people are essentially without a sense of humor, he said.

And the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that he is right. If everyone could just stop taking things so seriously all the time, maybe we could all just get along, you know?

[Jondar]

Things I hate? Not much. Racists. Rapists. Murderers. ANd morons, of course.

Other than that, I like most things.

The world problem? Aside from what Dragon said, religion is pretty damn problematic.

[Xaf]

dragons avatar is too good :worship:

[Galron Kincaid]

Oh nice thread i have a lot to vent :)


I VISCERALLY HATE:

- Racists (they're easily recognizable in Italy, and it's pure joy to walk by them and see that, oh, no one has the balls to say something to a dark-skinned, 2 meters tall dude...... strenght is the only thing they understand, and this only makes me hate them even more).

- Religious fanatics (religious fanatism led to crusades in the past, and terrorism today......anything good? I think not, they only massacre people with different methods).

- Berlusconi: the Italian premier...... the dude is ridiculizing my country in the WHOLE freakin picture of today's world.

- Bullies: they're the worst kind of scum imaginable, only able to intimidate and brutalize the younger and the smaller. I spent a good portion of my high school time looking for the slightest escuse to beat some of em up. With satisfacting results i must say.

- Elitism: in any circumstance, both real-life and videogames. I find such arrogance and ego-bloating umbelievably immature...... almost nine times out of ten elitists have no real valor as persons. In my experience at least.

- Microsoft.

- Those ROTTEN OLD PIGFU(KERS that live in the building next to my house and seem TOTALLY UNABLE to mind THEIR OWN ****1ng businesses. (MAN they almost called the POLICE because during the last lan we played Counterstrike a bit too loud!.......it was FREAKIN 4 AM!!! GO TO SLEEP YOU HUMAN WRECKS, AND DONT WAKE UP!!).

- The total brain-dead mollusk morons who park EXACTLY in front of my gate...... plainly ignoring the "NO PARKING" sign! AND THEY EVEN HAVE THE COURAGE TO LOOK ANNOYED WHEN I *GENTLY* ASK THEM TO MOVE THEIR FREAKIN CAR THE HELL OUTTA MY GATE.......again, the only thing this rotten folks will ever understand is if i turn their cars' hull ROCOCO' with my keys.

- Those completely mindless neighborhood kids that start blow bomblets IN FREAKIN NOVEMBER! MAN AM I GONNA POKE THEIR STUPID EYES OUT WITH MY ELECTRIC MP5!!!!!

- I hate small dogs. And i don't like dogs in general...... they are kinda disgusting with their tongue always out, noisy (they bark at anything that moves, and the barking gets worse if they can't get their teeth around it), and unable to learn krapping in the right place themselves. Cats pwn them all the way: cute, smart, self-cleaning and.....best of all........SILENT.

- I hate most of the Bnet forum users. They are the worst concentrate of Trolls, immature brats, arrogant elitist dogs, PvP wh0res, ADD-affected morons and undecent people in general. (gnegnegne "mounts look bad", "rest system=lame", "i don't like the 24 hours system", "Guild Wars is better"......THEN GO PLAY THAT GW THING AND LEAVE THE FORUMS DISINFECTED!!!!)

- I HATE MORON PEDESTRIANS that just keep walking even if i'm coming throug at full speed with my motorbike......they just KEEP CROSSING and i end up passing at an INCH from them.......MAN DO THEY FREAKIN WANT TO HOP ON or what? Same goes for those suicidal insaniacs who ride bikes in the middle of the traffic, wich is REALLY thick here in Milan.

- I hate every form of political extremism, in both directions. Man i got mistaken for a freakin neo-**** once because i like to dress in black and keep my hair short!

- I hate cops.....mind ya, i have no problems with athority...... simply put: Italian cops are unefficient jokes. The only thing they are good at is bashing demonstrants. I really can't recognize them as persons to respect.

- I hate TV and almost never watch it. Again......it's just because they ceased transmitting interesting stuff and Futurama long ago (Simpsons rock......but they're broadcasting the SAME episodes over and over again, i almost memorized them all!).

- I hated my English teacher too, she was a completely inept and histeric poor escuse of a teacher. I knew English FAR better than she did (same thing i could say about half of my classmates....meaning they were very good at English too :) )...... and she would mark as ERROR any word and expression she didn't know.

- I hate The Big Brother (ya know: that TV reality show with people locked together in a house). The only thing that show is good for is turning it on and laughing at the protagonists' total lack of human intelligence.

- I hate the Frech too. Huge bunch of arrogant snob dogs.

- I hate people who think that those who do cannabis and derivates are a crowd of unrecoverable addicted rejects...... that's so bigoted.

- i hate.

[Jondar]

I VISCERALLY HATE:

- Racists

Ok.


- I hate the French too. Huge bunch of arrogant snob dogs.

Hmm. Sound kinda contradicting?

[SpiritWalker]

I hate everyone, except for the people I like.
I hate everything, except the things I like.

...

:creep:

[DeadSquirrel]

-Patriotism

-Religion

-People that don't listen

-Society, and how everyone should act and be the same.... baaa baaaaaa

-lack of tolerance

-racism, anti-*** and all the other crap that comes from blind morons that want everyone else to be like them.

-Humanity, and how damn wrongfully narcissic they are....

-bnet kiddies

-rich bastards that try to avoid taxes

-Hipocrisy, and how people act all nice and friendly, and don't hesitate to talk behind people's back.

-All the crap about postive energy, Yang and Ying energy, magnetism, future telling.
The people that claim they can see the future or talk to/see deceased people, and the fact people still manage in believing them.

-People who don't have any arguments in their discussions. And reply by either, insulting you or going "pff..." and walking away.

-People that ignore your arguments, and continue the discussion as if they weren't proved wrong already....

-Ambition... whatever happened to happyness? No.. now you gotta be a rich, powerfull ******* to be considered "successfull"...

-The fact that people can't accept that Humans are infact animals.... nooo... people still want to believe that there's Animals on one side.. and Humans on the other side.

-People that don't give a crap about other people.... (anyone who lights a cigarette in the same elevator as me better like the taste of tabacco.)


..... I'm sure there's still lots more :thumbsup: , gonna go outside and scream now :rant:


Edit: one more thing I hate:
-The fact that these boards consider the word g.a.y, to be an insult.

[WarrenMoons]

I find it really amusing that DizzyPenguin thinks the war in Iraq and Americans calling french fries freedom fries to be problems in the world when he fails to mention anything about international terrorism, oppressive dictators or underhanded money laundering through the oil for food program.

Personally, I have a few things that really get me frustrated.

I really hate rap music, and just about all new music coming out today. To me rap is garbage. There is no redeeming value in it. It is a pile of uninspiring lyircs mumbled by a poorly dressed, dirty looking high school dropout set against nothing except repeated beats that the "artist" thinks passes for music. Meanwhile, real music, like old school R&B or motown or classical are ignored today.

I hate terrorists and terrorism. I think they cause so many problems in this world. The sooner they realize that no one, except the Spanish, will actually do anything different becuase of their terrorist acts, the better off we all will be.

I really get upset when democrats take political positions this election year simply becuase it is, in thier calculations, politically beneficial to them, or simply contrary to Bush's position. Kerry, for example, claims we should release 60 million barrels from the oil reserves becuase of high gas prices. Meanwhile, in 2000, when Clinton was president, Kerry was a strong advocate for not releasing any oil from the strategic oil reserves.

Those are probably the top three for me.

[Graav Wolfsong]

The world problem? Aside from what Dragon said, religion is pretty damn problematic.

I dont think its the concept of religion in itself that is problematic, its the inevitable mix of religion and the previously mentioned stupid people that create that special explosive mix. :thumbsup:

[Graav Wolfsong]

A lot of good points here.

I totally agree with most of what Galron Kincaid, except I dont trust cat people. Cats have no loyalty, and by extension that naturally must mean cat people also have no loyalty! I believe I hate cat people. :lol:


So I'm gonna say DeadSquirrel hit the bullseye.

Just want to add that I hate:

- Politicans All a bunch of corrupted smacktards.

- Lawiers The vultures of society, for every nice, upstanding, idealistic lawier there are 67542782 greedy, ruthless monsters.

- Bad soulless music That would include pretty much every single pop record, all sorts of trance, dance music and the vast majority of rap records.

- As an extension of my previous point: I HATE Max Martin!! He alone is responsible for most of the horrible Britney Spears evil thats been unleashed on the world.

- Pokemon, Digimon and Beyblade All these things has taken turn brainwashing my little brother, it must be part of some evil world domination plot.

- Like Galron, I hate bullies and spent alot of time in jrhigh and highschool looking for a reason to pick a fight with them. People that enjoy making other peoples life misery deserves all the crap they get. Martial arts + 'freak' = battered and bruised, confused bullies. :thumbsup:

- Shortsighted, narrowminded, intolerant people.

- Disloyal, dishonest, dishonourable people.

- Like Squirrel said, Ambition, I really hate the lifelong struggle to earn money to buy material possesions you do not need. By the time you get old and die it will all be outdated and sold off anyway. Life should be about happiness and peace, not how expensive your suit is.

- As an extension of my previous point, I hate golddiggers, women who wont even look at a man unless he drives a benz and makes 100000$+ a year.

- But my nr#1 pet peeve is: The Norwegian government!! I actually have to pay 4$+ for 0.5L of beer! WTF!? The price dropped to 1,35$, (wich is still way higher than most countries) then the government stepped in and said it should be illegal for beer prices lower than 2$! This is ridiculous!! Norway is one of the richest countries in the world and we still get all sorts of taxes shoved up our asses by the moronic, greedy, corrupted, monkey turd politicians!! I'm a viking decendant dammit!! I NEED LOTS OF ALE!! Its in times like these I really start to understand the point of terrorism ... uhm, 'freedom fighting'.

- And as an extention of my last point: I HATE HATE HATE the Norwegian judicial system, no death penalty, no life sentence, maximum penalty is 21 years without parole. In order to get that sentence you have to ****, torture and slaughter an entire kindergarden. Most murderes are out withing 8 years.
The minimum penalty for **** or sexual abuse of a child is 1 year while the minimum penalty for photocopying a 100KR bill is 3 years. WTF!??!

Well, thats all for now. But I've probably got a lot more. This is a good thread. :)
As a *semi* Buddhist I'm not supposed to hate anything but geez, I cant help it.

All these things, I'll fix them when I finally achieve world domination. Wich I will sooner or later, make no mistake about it.
Me ruling the entire world with an iron fist would probably still be better than Bush in the white house tho' :thumbsup:

[Echod16]

World problems? The is only one which is the cause of many. Humans are inherently stupid. People are stupid. Not which people, not black people, not jews, not muslims, not young, not old... just people.

Quite simply:

People are stupid.

because we've evolved enough to have control of instinct over thought, unlike almost any other creature in the world (except possibly dolphins and othe prrimates)

and for my rap..

what the hell are people not getting when they see that drugs are ILLEGAL, but they still do them, and then thier friend overdoeses and dies, and they're still doing this crap, it's so aggrivating

[Brainless]

i personally hate people that find it so damn hard to just be friendly

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

i personally hate people that find it so damn hard to just be friendly

SHUT UP! I DON'T NEED TO BE FRIENDLY TO YOU, I WOULD SOONER KICK THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF YOU THAN BE FRIENDLY YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF POND SCUM OOZE!!!!!11!!1!!

The world problem? Aside from what Dragon said, religion is pretty damn problematic.

I would venture to say that is a result of stupid people hiding behind religion, hence still stupid people. :lol:

dragons avatar is too good

Indeed. It is TeH UbEr 1337/V3ZZ!!11!!1oMgWTf?11!11LOL!11!1

[Havard]

A lot of people on here have been "hating on" religion and religious people. If you've had a bad experience with religion, that's a shame, but please qualify your comments to your experiences before you promote offensive stereotypes and blanket generalizations.

DeadSquirrel, I'm sorry for picking you out of the crowd again, but when you say things like you hate "religion" and "patriotism" in the same post as hating "lack of tolerance" and "hypcrisy", that's pretty damn ironic. I am patriotic and religious. If you think it's ok to hate the very things that make up my belief system, your hatred for "lack of tolerance" or "hypocrisy" is not as strong as you think.

I'm a member of a young adult group (church) and we go out into the community and work at soup kitchens and do fundraisers for the homeless. I cannot speak about every religious person or group, but if any of you live in the Silicon Valley, I strongly encourage you to visit our group and see the good that comes from religion.

[Essex]

Havard I think he hates the problems religion has caused, wars, hate amongst people because of different religions, ect. I dont' think he hates the people who practise the religion themselves.

Also patriotism can also be called Nationalism which also leads to wars and the like. So he doesn't hate the people who have these things he just hates the instutions because of what they have brought as a large whole group not as individuals.

Then again that's just what I'm reading into his statement.

[Killing Frenzy]

Sweet thread! Good place to vent anger. :thumbsup:

Hmmmm Looks like alot of the same things I hate have allready been listed, I'll try to be original.
Eh hem....

I hate it when you go to a 24 hour drive through at McDonalds and they wont serve you just cause its 5 am. Its 24 hours! Give me my food!!!!

I hate it when people put down rap music. I love rap and the sort. I realize that its basicly no talent but I still enjoy it. It doesn't matter how good it is or bad it is, If you like it then thats what matters.

I hate OLIVES!!!!

I hate it when huge black cows somehow end up in a small crowd on the #1 highway and I hit them with my small car going 110 km/hour! (Police and other people couldn't believe that me and my friend survived)

ummmm...
My mind is kinda blank right now but I'll be sure to be updating on stuff I hate very soon. :drool:

[Essex]

one glaring name is off that list. I hate Jessica Simpson.

I also hate I didn't get into Angel. I watched the series finale and it looked like a damn good show

On that note I hate when good shows get cancelled long before they should, and I hate when shows last longer than they should (Fraiser i'm looking at you)

I hate that I'm not more ellequoent I also hate that I'm not a better at spelling.

I hate it when my cousin leaves the wireless mouse off the reciver all night and I get on the comp in the morning and the mouse is dead.

I hate that my wireless connection on the lap top and other computer break.

I hate that I feel guilty for downloading music on the net, but I hate being broke because I bought a bunch of cds more.

I use to hate that we were taken off the front page, but I really rather like it now, less stupid people.

I hate that WoW isn't out, and that I'm starting to lose intrest.

I hate that my book is probably a piece of trash that will never get published.

[Galron Kincaid]

Hmm. Sound kinda contradicting?


No man, the French are a population of a particular country, not a race.

I hate them because they've been total azzholes with me in the past, many times, just because i was non-French.

[Havard]

Havard I think he hates the problems religion has caused, wars, hate amongst people because of different religions, ect.
Then again that's just what I'm reading into his statement.

Well, my whole point was to urge people to qualify their remarks (as you just did for DeadSquirrel.) Saying "religion" or "patriotism" without being more specific is offensive.

Example: The statement "g ay people who act like they're better than me" is an appropriate group to add to this list of grievances, whereas "g ay people period" is just plain bigoted. So if someone were to say "religious people who act like they're better than me", I can appreciate that. Does that sound reasonable?

*Why the funk can't we say g-a-y in here? Damn word filter. :rant:

**killing_frenzy: don't throw those olives away, I'll eat 'em!!! :howdy:

***Essex, Freaks and Geeks was one of my faves that got cancelled. My So Called Life was another.

****A French co-worker of mine doesn't even like the French. He is a really happy, loving guy and he admits that a lot of his snobby countrymen love to look down on everybody.

[Essex]

yeah but I think this is suppose to be a quick and funny sort of thread where you don't have to qualify you can just say I hate ____

like Jessica Simpson there are several reasons I hate her but I didn't qualify even though it may upset her. Like... I hate the way she's famous for being stupid when she's not even really that stupid you know that **** is scripted... ok I better not start...

anyway I understand where your coming from though. You can't say *** because it can be used as an insult, so long as they sensor F** I'm happy with the system.

I hate olives you can have mine too... although I do like olive oil (not like to eat it or drink it but to cook with it)

[Bhs Crew]

Yaay. A venting thread.

I hate how Bush pretends he's principled or conservative.
Conservative used to include:
1) supporting a balanced budget
2) supporting free trade and capitalism
3) supporting the Bill of rights
4) Not getting involved in nation building

1)He doesn't seem to realize that cutting taxes now during a deficit will just cause taxes to be raised later for future generations to pay back the debt. Or mabye he does. He's either ignorant or evil. He says he's against spending and its Congresses fault but he hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, and the budgets he submits all include massive deficits.
2) The first thing he did was say he was against taiffs, then he passed steel tariffs, then he repeals them. He bails out industry after industry as they fail going completly against capitalism. He even gave subsidies to various energy companies that were doing great.
3) John Ashcroft. His patriot act managed to get Bob Barr to work for the ACLU. He created an allience between the NRA, the ACLU, and various conservatives like Dick Armey because they all hated the patriot act. Do you realize how horrible a piece of legistlation has to be before Bob Barr works for the ACLU and they ally with the NRA? Its unheard of.
4) Iraq.


Next I hate all the other conservatives who used to support a balanced budget and the Bill of Rights, but jumped ship and switched over as soon as some moron president told them that they should trust him.

Next I hate all the democrats who voted for John Kerry in the Primary because they thought he had the best chance of defeating Bush. The person with the best chance of defeating Bush is not someone with the following qualifications:
- He's the most liberal person in the Senate
- He's from the North East
- Came from an elite family.
- He is not heavily charismatic in front of audiences
- He has the inability to express a thought simply. Even the simplest things question gets a five minute response from him
- He's been in the Senate a long time which means he has a long record. This is a bad thing because it makes it easier to find times when he had a different position from the one he has today.
- His poll numbers started out good in each state because people kne his name, but they went down as the election got closer as people got to know him.
I reccomended the second choice, John Edwards.
- He's charismatic
- He's from the south
- He came from a poor family
- He has the ability to simplify complex thoughts so that people not versed in the subject can understand him
- He has almost no political history. This makes him perfect, because there's no record to contradict his statements.
- His numbers always started out low because no one knew who he was, but they went up as people got to know him. Its a long race to the presidency so this works better.

I hope Bush looses because I've never seen a JS politician I dislike more (except mabye John Ashcroft), Kerry isn't going to beat Bush. Bush will have to throw it away, which he seems to be doing. I hope all the spineless "conservatives" who became advocates of massive spending, medicare bills, nation building and budget deficits as soon as he told them to, come to their senses and actually develop some opinons of their own.

I was thinking politics so I ranted politics. Mabye next time I'll rant on some other subject.

[Havard]

You're right, neither candidate is that good. Most of the people I know support their choice as the lesser of two evils.

There is no candidate doing more than two of:

1) supporting a balanced budget
2) supporting free trade and capitalism
3) supporting the Bill of rights
4) not getting involved in nation building

[Booms]

Havard:

I wouldn't consider Bible-Thumpers nor Religious Fanatics stereotypes. If I had said "Chrisitans," that would have been stereotyping. I can't think of a good definition of a Bible-Thumper right now (although Essex could probably help me here since he lives in the South), but I would consider Religious Fanatics those who blow themselves up on buses because they believe it is the right thing to do.

Yes, I could have just written terrorists, but since their beliefs stem from a twisted view of their religion I chose to call them what they really are.

And on Bush...if there weren't parties such as "Republican" or "Democrat" chances are a lot more people would hate Bush and see that he is a horrible president. But no, people are stupid and think that a president who: creates a massive deficit, destroys jobs, goes to war and has no plan of getting out, and takes major steps backwards in the area of enviromental protection is a good president.

[Havard]

Booms:

Okay, fair enough. I think I was being defensive because some people who read these posts don't think there's a difference between the terms "Bible-thumpers" and Christians. I'm glad to hear that you do.

I don't like Christians who get in your face and give you crap for not agreeing with them either. I am a Catholic, and I've been told by other Christians that I'm not a Christian because Catholics are pagans. (Huh!?!!!?!) I guess this fits with my "qualify your grievance" idea. Essex made a good point though, this thread isn't about writing an essay. Anyway, no hard feelings here, and I am sorry for implying that you stereotype.

[Mastgrr]

I really get upset when democrats take political positions this election year simply becuase it is, in thier calculations, politically beneficial to them, or simply contrary to Bush's position. Kerry, for example, claims we should release 60 million barrels from the oil reserves becuase of high gas prices. Meanwhile, in 2000, when Clinton was president, Kerry was a strong advocate for not releasing any oil from the strategic oil reserves.Flip flopping is common, get over it. (http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/top10_flipflops/)

[DeadSquirrel]

Harvard,
I hate patriotism and religion. I never said I hated the people who are patriotic and religious, that would mean I'd have to hate my own grandma, which I don't ;).

Sorry didnt' mean to offend you, I was only venting... didn't think I had to back up what I said on this thread.

So here, I'll back them up ;):
To me patriotism consists in blindly loving your own country.
Yet every country has their problems, and these problems shouldn't be ignored.
Now maybe you think patriots are people that do not hesitate in criticising their own country in a constructive way, in hopes of making it a better place for everyone, which is good. But then that means we don't agree on the term ;).
So far, almost everyone I know that's claimed to be a patriot, insult people that criticise their country. I dislike that, that's all...

As for religion, again, I don't hate the people who believe in religion. Like you underlined, I hate lack of tolerance as well. It would be silly of me not to tolerate religions.... I like buddhism, I love ancient egypt beliefs...
what I hate, is "Religion".. in general.
The whole mechanism behind it, the consequences it has on people etc...
After the 1000s of years of injustice, persecution, massacres, tortures endured by millions of millions of men, women and children, due to simple beliefs of different populations...
I think anyone has the right to dislike the concept of Religion, don't you?

[Essex]

I always feel like i'm cleaning up after you squrill lol. But to help him out some that goes back to ancient times. Tribes went to war over gods, people thought the gods supported them in war (see Illiad) religions has always went hand in hand with conflict... even on message boards :)

[DizzyPenguin]

Well, my whole point was to urge people to qualify their remarks (as you just did for DeadSquirrel.) Saying "religion" or "patriotism" without being more specific is offensive.


yes Havard. Essex was correct. You do not have to justify your reasons on this thread (although it is always more interesting if you do :flip: ) however it is perfectly fine that you hate the people who do not justify themselves, hence the purpose of this here thread.


i dont know what exactly was said, but when deadsquirrel was commenting on how everyone tries to be the same in society (or something like that). I firmly agree, however i do hate the fact that its damn near impossible to be original due to the simple fact that humanity (in it's holy stupidness) has been around for a really really long time

p.s. i also hate the people on the ffxi forums who sit there and bash on everybody's opinions of the game. i mean how can you hate people for one thing and turn around and hate others for the exact opposite reason.

[Essex]

i'd imagine the ffxi fourms would be rough and DP I'm sorry I was rude earlier this is a fun thread after all :)

Was it you who wanted the info on the DW weapon? if so how'd that go?

[DizzyPenguin]

I also hate that the things im planning on being/doing in WoW are the things that are not yet being discussed (or are not yet implemented). for example why are none of the beta testing journal writers trying about engineering. also i want hunters already (although there is no need to rush :uhhuh: ) and also i wish there would be more trol screenshots. and while i'm at it I WANT WoW TO BE FINISHED TESTING!!!!


:buddies: :drink: :buddies:

man i love you guys.

[DizzyPenguin]

i'd imagine the ffxi fourms would be rough and DP I'm sorry I was rude earlier this is a fun thread after all :)
hmmm i'm thinking about coining a phrase for everyone to live by. I was thinking of something like " through hate we can all learn to be friends."... hehehe maybe i should work on that one


Was it you who wanted the info on the DW weapon? if so how'd that go?
that went pretty good actually, after all i did find what i was looking for. i do wish i still had the link though..... Guan Yu is the shiiiiot

[Essex]

well just do a search for Guan dao I did a google image search last time and got what you were looking for :)

[Havard]

Sure, you can dislike the concept of religion. No one should feel pressured by others to like or dislike any beliefs. Some people like Essex live in an area of the US that pressures you to be a "Bible-thumper." Other people, like me, live in areas where you're treated like a pathetic fool if you still go to church.

You're right in that religion has been at the center of conflicts since ancient times, and I don't blame you for having an adversion. Religions are no different from any other organizations: they are susceptible to human weakness and corruption. All I can say to you about that is that I don't follow my religion because its politics are free from corruption, I follow it because I believe in the tenets of the faith.

As far as patriotism is concerned, yeah, we have different definitions. I think that patriots have the obligation to criticize their own government if their government is making a mistake. Bhs made a great point, there are many conservatives that just accept Bush's agenda without question, and that is scary. Again, pressure to act a certain way causes too many problems.

There are brilliant atheists and brilliant theists. Brilliant liberals and brilliant conservatives. My only worry is when people start connecting beliefs to "stupidity" or ignorance. Reading posts from people like Bhs and AoA make it clear that there will always be intelligent people who disagree, all we have to do is figure out what we believe ourselves.

EDIT: PS, one of my best friends in the whole world is a phenomally brilliant atheist and he's getting his PhD in philosophy at University of California Davis right now. I have been trying to get him to come on this board for the past week (I am really curious to see what he would have to say to AoA about religion!)

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Havard - Do you know your friend's thesis topic?

[Havard]

I will ask him, but I don't think he's picked it yet. I think it would be cool to get him on the board. He doesn't buy into religion, but he has intellectual sincerity like none other. I unfortunately have not been able to prove much to him, as I'm a philosophical hack and he knows the arguments for my positions better than I do. :lol:

[Mastgrr]

As far as patriotism is concerned, yeah, we have different definitions. I think that patriots have the obligation to criticize their own government if their government is making a mistake. I strongly agree. The right is using patriotism and anti-americanism as a weapons against liberals as ab hominem attacks to quiet us down. Any thing that's brought up for discussion is immediately talked down because it's "unamerican". How can a democracy (republic) improve unless we discuss about what went wrong?

Bhs made a great point, there are many conservatives that just accept Bush's agenda without question, and that is scary. Again, pressure to act a certain way causes too many problems.Problem with the right is that they don't admit their mistakes. And when they are confronted with them, they lie about it some more. O'Reilly about his peabody. Coulter about her age. Hannity about Rush Limbaugh's TV-show. And especially that fat looser inventor-of-hypocracy Rush Limbaugh. It's just pathetic.

[Bhs Crew]

I strongly agree. The right is using patriotism and anti-americanism as a weapons against liberals as ab hominem attacks to quiet us down. Any thing that's brought up for discussion is immediately talked down because it's "unamerican". How can a democracy (republic) improve unless we discuss about what went wrong?

Problem with the right is that they don't admit their mistakes. And when they are confronted with them, they lie about it some more. O'Reilly about his peabody. Coulter about her age. Hannity about Rush Limbaugh's TV-show. And especially that fat looser inventor-of-hypocracy Rush Limbaugh. It's just pathetic.

Not all the right. Bob Barr is working with the ACLU. Dick Armey is working against the Patriot act. There are honerable conservatives, but they're less vocal. It works the same on both sides, whoever is the most vocal is usually doing the least amount of work. Though I have to admit. The neo-conservatives have perfected lieing into an art form. Truly they are nothing more then a blight on this planet. If every neo-conservative died tomorrow the only problem with the world would be what to do with all the bodies. Feed them to the crows.

[SaroDarksbane]

Problem with the right is that they don't admit their mistakes. And when they are confronted with them, they lie about it some more.
Hey, I can add this to things I hate:

People who label and generalize anyone who doesn't agree with them, and yet refuse to acknowledge that the same things they accuse others of happen on their own "side of the fence".

And when they are confronted with them, they lie about it some more. O'Reilly about his peabody.
O'Reilly never claimed he won a peabody. But thanks for buying into Franken's line. :thumbsup:

[AgeOfAbnegation]

lol.. For what it's worth, "liberals" do irritate me.

[Mastgrr]

O'Reilly never claimed he won a peabody. Are you serious!?!??!

"I anchored a program called Inside Edition, which has won a Peabody Award for investigative reporting," O'Reilly said on August 30, 1999.

"Well, all I've got to say to that is Inside Edition has won, I believe, two Peabody awards, the highest journalism award in the country," O'Reilly said on his Fox News program on May 8, 2000.


Two weeks later, when an antagonistic guest was needling O'Reilly for his tabloid past, O'Reilly relied on the supposed multiple Peabody awards to demonstrate his journalistic credentials.

"We won Peabody Awards," O'Reilly said. "A program that wins a Peabody Award, the highest award in journalism, and you're going to denigrate it?"

Al Franken then call O'Reilly up and ask him about the Peabody award. Ten-fifteen minutes later he call Franken back and their conversation is something like this:

Reilly: All right. We didn't win a Peabody. We won a Polk Award. Anyway.. It doesn't matter if I got it wrong because it's just as prestigious as the Peabody.
Franken: So there are two most prestigious journalism awards?
Reilly: Go ahead Al... If you want to, go after me.
Franken: OK.

Then when confronted with the whole situation, (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000565.html) O'Reilly said on his Fox News show, "Guy says about me, couple of weeks ago, 'O'Reilly said he won a Peabody Award.' Never said it. You can't find a transcript where I said it. There is no one on earth you could bring in that would say I said it."

Bill O'Reilly is a pathological liar.

[Brainless]

oh, another thing i hate

when short people try to look tough and intimidating to other people much taller than them. its funny, but its also very annoying

sorta like a gnome trying to look tough towards a tauren


i dont mean offense to people that are considered short though

[Bhs Crew]

lol.. For what it's worth, "liberals" do irritate me.

Damn straight.
The funniest thing about Bush and his changing positions is that because many Democrats and liberals are trying to be the oposite of what he is, they're actually supporting a balanced budget. Back when the Republicans supported balanced budgets the liberals were against them. There are many people on both sides that are honerable people who stick to their viewpoints even when it causes them to agree with the other side's administration. However, the majority of them seem to simply back whatever position is taken by their leaders without even thinking about it.

A good example of this is many of the democrats and republicans that are currently fighting against the Patriot act and Patriot act II voted for it when it came to the floor. Now they are asked, if they fundamentally disagreed with so many aspects of the bill, why did they vote for it? Their response is usually, "My leaders told me to vote for it, I didn't bother to read it first, and I didn't want to seem unpatriotic." Party loyalty is one of the most overrated things in politics.

[SaroDarksbane]

Are you serious!?!??!

"I anchored a program called Inside Edition, which has won a Peabody Award for investigative reporting," O'Reilly said on August 30, 1999.

"Well, all I've got to say to that is Inside Edition has won, I believe, two Peabody awards, the highest journalism award in the country," O'Reilly said on his Fox News program on May 8, 2000.


Two weeks later, when an antagonistic guest was needling O'Reilly for his tabloid past, O'Reilly relied on the supposed multiple Peabody awards to demonstrate his journalistic credentials.

"We won Peabody Awards," O'Reilly said. "A program that wins a Peabody Award, the highest award in journalism, and you're going to denigrate it?"

Al Franken then call O'Reilly up and ask him about the Peabody award. Ten-fifteen minutes later he call Franken back and their conversation is something like this:

Reilly: All right. We didn't win a Peabody. We won a Polk Award. Anyway.. It doesn't matter if I got it wrong because it's just as prestigious as the Peabody.
Franken: So there are two most prestigious journalism awards?
Reilly: Go ahead Al... If you want to, go after me.
Franken: OK.

Then when confronted with the whole situation, (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000565.html) O'Reilly said on his Fox News show, "Guy says about me, couple of weeks ago, 'O'Reilly said he won a Peabody Award.' Never said it. You can't find a transcript where I said it. There is no one on earth you could bring in that would say I said it."

Bill O'Reilly is a pathological liar.

Sorry, doesn't cut it. I see three times there where he said Inside Edition won a Peabody (as the program was being criticized as a tabloid style show), and then when asked about it by Franken, he corrected himself and said it was a Polk.

Now Franken is trying to claim that O'Reilly said he won a Peabody, which he never said.

Franken is a pathological liar.

Nowhere did O'Reilly say that he won anything. It's just a classic Franken bait and switch.

[Bhs Crew]

Hehehe. I wouldn't say either of them are pathological liars. As far as gong after media on the right, Mastgrr, it seems that all of them can be ignored as long as Rush is still here. He is the one to focus all your attention on.

[Mastgrr]

Nowhere did O'Reilly say that he won anything.Of course he didn't say 'I won the Peabody award' because it was obviously a collective effort. But you can't deny he's implying that he won a Peabody or took part in winning a peabody. By saying "We won Peabody Awards" I think it pretty much sets this case in stone.

"We won Peabody Awards"

The term 'We' includes 'I'.

"So you want us to give the Peabodys back?"

That quote implies that they have Peabodys, and by the word they I refer to Bill O'Reilly and the cast of Inside Edition. If he wanted to refer Inside Edition as a show were he had no part in winning the proclaimed Peabody he could easily have said them instead of us or more accurately those punks at that tabloid show who thank god that they have one less lier on their staff. But he didn't. He is clearly implying he took part of winning a Peabody.

[SaroDarksbane]

Hmm, that's funny. First you dump two of the three quotes you previously posted because they don't fit your predetermined opinion, then you chop off the last half of the final one to further take the quote out of context.

Franken would be proud.

But since I can't let you get away with that dishonesty, let's go through them one at a time:

"I anchored a program called Inside Edition, which has won a Peabody Award for investigative reporting."
Nothing here.

"Well, all I've got to say to that is Inside Edition has won, I believe, two Peabody awards, the highest journalism award in the country."
Nothing here.

"We won Peabody Awards," O'Reilly said. "A program that wins a Peabody Award, the highest award in journalism, and you're going to denigrate it?"
He's clearly defending the reputation of the show here.

Here's a summarized timeline for people still confused:


On the O'Reilly Factor
O'Reilly: I anchored Inside Edition.
Guest: Wasn't that a tabloid show?
O'Reilly: Actually, no. It won a peabody.

Later . . .
Franken: It never won a Peabody.
O'Reilly: Oops, you're right. It was a Polk award.

Later . . .
Franken: The award was won a year after O'Reilly left! So he's a liar when he says he won it!
O'Reilly: But I never said I won it!
Franken: See?! He's still lying about it!

Yesterday
Mastgrr: OMG, really?!?!11

Face it. You got taken. If you have to drop the quotes/parts of quotes that lend credence to the fact that he was talking about the show and not himself, and then you have to take the word "we" out of the context of him defending the show (and thus "we" means people he identifies with, having been an anchor) there is really no proof anywhere that O'Reilly lied.

Its no longer about looking at the facts to form an opinion. You've already formed an opinion, and now you're trying desperately to justify it by picking and choosing the words you think you can twist.

So when you say:
Problem with the right is that they don't admit their mistakes
I'm going to laugh. You can't even admit your mistake here. Glass house feeling a little windy, eh Mastgrr?

I'm not sure what's sadder; the fact that you bought his book, or the fact that you bought his lies too. >.<

[Mastgrr]

August 30, 1999:
"I anchored a program called Inside Edition, which has won a Peabody Award for investigative reporting."Agreed, nothing there except that he completely doesn't know that it's the right award in the first place.

May 8, 2000:
"Well, all I've got to say to that is Inside Edition has won, I believe, two Peabody awards, the highest journalism award in the country."Nothing here really, I agree with you. He still thinks it's a Peabody though.

May 19, 2000:
"We won Peabody Awards," "A program that wins a Peabody Award, the highest award in journalism, and you're going to denigrate it?"He said WE, implying that he helped achieving it.

Also May 19, 2000:
"So you want us to give the Peabodys back?" "We won two Peabodys, the most prestigious award in journalism." Once again, he says "..you want US..." and "WE won..."

Quote "O'Reilly's apparent defense is that he never claimed to have personally won a Peabody, only insisting that his show won the award. Therefore, he argues, his original (and repeated) claim was technically true, except the part about getting the name of the award wrong. (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000565.html)"

Quote " His incessant claims that "we" won an award failed to mention that show was honored after his departure. (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/000565.html)"

Why would he say WE after he left the show? He's trying to take credit for something that he didn't take part of at all.

A better summary:
On the O'Reilly Factor
O'Reilly: I anchored Inside Edition.
Guest: Wasn't that a tabloid show?
O'Reilly: Actually, no. We won Peabody Awards.

Later . . .
Franken: It won two Peabody's?
O'Reilly: We won two.
Franken: It never won a Peabody.
O'Reilly: It was a Polk award.

Later . . .
Franken: The award was won a year after O'Reilly left! So he's a liar when he says he won it!
O'Reilly: But I never said I won it!
Franken: See?! He's still lying about it!
O'Reilly: Shut up!
Franken: This is not your show, Bill.

[the_guse]

hmmm what do i hate?

-Bush
-Kerry
-Quebec
-my inbox
-ppl that dont like cheese. wtf is wrong with you?
-cencorship
-Telecommunication companies that give away free stuff to new customers ignoring loyal customers
-Banks that give away free stuff to new customers ignoring loyal customers
-Cable companies that give away free stuff to new customers ignoring loyal customers
-Gaming companies that give away free stuff to new customers ignoring loyal customers
-carebears
-the wiggles
-stomping on civil liberties

That's about it.

[Graav Wolfsong]

And I hate the fact that society frowns on Police brutality. Whats wrong with beating a confession out of a drug dealer, or 'accidentally' shoot a rapist in the kneecap after you cuffed him. :thumbsup:

Sure, they sometimes beat up innocent Rodney Kings or mildly r3tarded boys but that usually only happens to black or latino people and thats mostly just the LAPD. :lol:


Edit: ******** is cencored too? Geez, so much for freedom of speech on the internet huh. :)

[Bhs Crew]

And I hate the fact that society frowns on Police brutality. Whats wrong with beating a confession out of a drug dealer, or 'accidentally' shoot a rapist in the kneecap after you cuffed him. :thumbsup:

Sure, they sometimes beat up innocent Rodney Kings or mildly r3tarded boys but that usually only happens to black or latino people and thats mostly just the LAPD. :lol:


Edit: ******** is cencored too? Geez, so much for freedom of speech on the internet huh. :)

Didn't you read the rules? There is no freedom of speech in this forum.

Just in case your first statement wasn't a joke, here's what's wrong with it. The only word we have to go on, that the person getting beaten is a drug dealer or rapist, is the word of the police. They might be right, but they could also be wrong and some innocent person got their knee-cap blown off. That's why we have the whole system of courts and laws. It may not be perfect, and there are changes that could be made to it. However, one change that shouldn't be made to it is the innocent until proven guilty idea.

To go to a related subject, John Ashcroft claimed, while testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee, that the president has the power to arrest citizens on any American street, designate them "enemy combatants, and imprison them indefinitely, without access to lawyers or their families.
When asked about this his quote was, "The last time I looked at September 11, an American street was a war zone."

The reason I bring this up is it follows the same logic as police beating people before they are convicted of anything. In this Ashcroft is saying that a person who the president says is guilty is guilty. The idea being that the president wouldn't accuse someone unless they were. This ignores all the basic rights given to us by the constitution and all the protections of the court system.

I hope that your first statement was a joke. Sure its nice for a drug dealer or rapist to get beat up and not have a chance to get free, but it violates fundamental ideals that once broken, open up a whole mess of horrible possibilities.

[Graav Wolfsong]

I was not 100% serious on that one no.

Allow me to rephrase:

/Sarcasm
And I hate the fact that society frowns on Police brutality. Whats wrong with beating a confession out of a drug dealer, or 'accidentally' shoot a rapist in the kneecap after you cuffed him. :thumbsup:

Sure, they sometimes beat up innocent Rodney Kings or mildly r3tarded boys but that usually only happens to black or latino people and thats mostly just the LAPD. :lol:

/Sarcasm

When you see the :lol: in a post it usually means it was not a serious statement eh?

But it sure would the job alot easier on the cops tho'. ;)

[Bhs Crew]

That's good to hear. Five years ago I woud've automaticially assumed it was. I guess the fact that Ashcroft actually has supporters has made me kind of edgy.

[SaroDarksbane]

Why would he say WE after he left the show? He's trying to take credit for something that he didn't take part of at all.
Or he's identifying with the crew of a show he anchored. According to your logic, him saying "we" also means that he's currently anchoring the show, since he didn't specify "back then" too.

[Essex]

ok saro, say that your in a music group that won a grammy, but you left the music group a year before they won the grammy, they won the grammy with songs you didn'twrite, would you say "we won a grammy" or would you say "they won a grammy"

then if someone said the music was bad would you say "don't make fun of us the music was good" or would you say "don't make fun of them the music was good"

see where he's going with this? You generally don't say "we" unless you are taking the credit as well.

[Bhs Crew]

ok saro, say that your in a music group that won a grammy, but you left the music group a year before they won the grammy, they won the grammy with songs you didn'twrite, would you say "we won a grammy" or would you say "they won a grammy"

then if someone said the music was bad would you say "don't make fun of us the music was good" or would you say "don't make fun of them the music was good"

see where he's going with this? You generally don't say "we" unless you are taking the credit as well.

Isn't the point that is being argued over here really really minor? I mean neither Franken nor O'Reilly are running for political office or becoming a judge any time soon so why is the matter of whether or not Bill took some credit for the awards that inside edition won, really important? How is the world affected by whether Franken or O'Rielly is correct in this petty credit dispute.

[GaiaWombat]

What I really hate is how nasty people get when things such as politics or religion are involved. Arguments about these topics really irritate me. I find them completely pointless because no one EVER changes their mind, so both parties continue rambling and shouting on and on and on, even though nothing's changing.

What I also hate are people who let things such as MTV influence their political views. I don't care if you disagree with Bush, but what irritates the hell out of me are when people blindly follow the media and go around shouting to the world about how horrible he is when they haven't even checked out the facts. Don't fiercely criticize someone unless you know why you're criticizing them. And just saying "because he went into Iraq" doesn't count.

Another thing I hate: the fact that us Republicans have a representative who is hated by so many people. To tell you the truth, I actually agree with many of his policies, but it's almost painful constantly running into all the anti-Bush stuff there is. I wish we could just have a nice, conservative president who, while there is no way to get around him being disliked by liberals, is at least not abhorred so strongly by so many people.

Another thing I hate is people who criticize my religion. The funny thing is, most of the criticism and defamation comes from people from other religions with surprisingly similar viewpoints. I wish people would just go to our church or actually ask a true member of it instead of reading some literature from some idiot who had one bad experience in the past, or listening to their pastor who found all his information from these aforementioned idiots. If you're doing reasearch for school or for work, do you only look at those people who hated it and write negatively about it? No. You look at both sides and decide for yourself.

One last thing I hate is pr0n. The negative affects it can have on people's lives are incredible. It can easily ruin you, and for what? It's not worth it, but it's so incredibly addictive that these people can make billions off of people willing to pay for this kind of stuff. Not only that, but to me it seems horribly degrading to women in general and sort of turns them into objects of desire instead of actual people.

Anyway, those are my current gripes with the world. I may add some later when I'm in the mood.

[Bhs Crew]

What I really hate is how nasty people get when things such as politics or religion are involved. Arguments about these topics really irritate me. I find them completely pointless because no one EVER changes their mind, so both parties continue rambling and shouting on and on and on, even though nothing's changing.
For the most part you may be right, but I've seen lots of people who have had their opinions changed by political or religous discussions, myself included. If we stop discussing them there's going to be even less hope of people examining or refining their own opinions.

Another thing I hate: the fact that us Republicans have a representative who is hated by so many people. To tell you the truth, I actually agree with many of his policies, but it's almost painful constantly running into all the anti-Bush stuff there is. I wish we could just have a nice, conservative president who, while there is no way to get around him being disliked by liberals, is at least not abhorred so strongly by so many people.
Well right now he's facing his own small conservative revolution, which is cutting into his re-election chances. If he wasn't so determined to destroy the bill of rights or if he actually supported a balanced budget, then he wouldn't have so many problems. Oh well. We work with what we got.

[Booms]

Another thing I hate: the fact that us Republicans have a representative who is hated by so many people. To tell you the truth, I actually agree with many of his policies, but it's almost painful constantly running into all the anti-Bush stuff there is. I wish we could just have a nice, conservative president who, while there is no way to get around him being disliked by liberals, is at least not abhorred so strongly by so many people.

The only reason there is so much anti-Bush stuff is because he is a horrible president. I mean, I probably wouldn't be happy anyways if he was just another conservative president, but as long as he did a decent job I wouldn't particularly care. Bush, on the other hand, deserves all of the negative things that are said about him. I really really really hope that he loses the election.

[Essex]

how can you hate porn? No one (unless you sign up with a lot of **** and don't have a good spam blocker) if forcing it down your throat. I just don't get why people get so uptight about sex, if we weren't so purtian when it came to sex in this country then we wouldn't have to turn to porn to get our kinks. Least that's how I feel about it... hell the only thing I hate about porn is the damn subscription fee lol

[Havard]

I don't like porn either... I think it reinforces the idea that people are objects there for our pleasure, rather than humans with feelings.

[Galron Kincaid]

What are you talking about? The whole point of p0rno is to admire the marvels of the human body! :lol:

[Drakeon]

I agree, I'm also in the "don't like porn" camp.

I have seen the effects it can have on people (well only the effects on me and I STRONGLY dislike them and yet its just so very hard to get away from its grasp..).

Oh and Essex, Angel ruled, if you really like it you should check out the DVD box sets. I am very sad to see it go :(

[SaroDarksbane]

ok saro, say that your in a music group that won a grammy, but you left the music group a year before they won the grammy, they won the grammy with songs you didn'twrite, would you say "we won a grammy" or would you say "they won a grammy"

then if someone said the music was bad would you say "don't make fun of us the music was good" or would you say "don't make fun of them the music was good"

see where he's going with this? You generally don't say "we" unless you are taking the credit as well.
If I say: "We're in Iraq right now."

Are you going to say: "OMG!!! You're a LIE-AR!!! YOU AREN"T EVEN IN THE MILITARY!!!"

Or are you going to assume that when I say "we", I mean a group or organization that I affiliate with (I.e. the US)?

Anyway, this (http://www.lyingliar.com/lies/oreilly/peabodypolk.htm) site does a good job of debunking Franken's lies.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Aawww, geez.
Let me offer an opinion: O'Reilly and Franken are both punks, running around with their bloated egos shouting dumb things all around.
Who in the &%#/)"% cares about their petty squabbles about who said what about what show and what award.

[Essex]

didn't check the link because I'm in a hurry. You can say we are in Iraq and mean America, but your not really taking credit, nor is it a very limited number of people. There aren't millions of people who worked on Inside Edition, thusly a "we" would include yourself. Eh well its all little points anyway....

still don't get the problem with porn, I mean if you don't like it just don't buy it but don't prevent other people from buying it lol. Plus I don't think it objectives women, although then again if I see a woman in my porn something's very very wrong....

yeah sucks that I missed angel... I may just have to invest in some dvds.

[Graav Wolfsong]

One last thing I hate is pr0n. The negative affects it can have on people's lives are incredible. It can easily ruin you, and for what? It's not worth it, but it's so incredibly addictive that these people can make billions off of people willing to pay for this kind of stuff. Not only that, but to me it seems horribly degrading to women in general and sort of turns them into objects of desire instead of actual people.

That is a difficult subject.

I guess it all depends on your individual opinion of sex. Personally I feel sex is supposed to be an expression of love or alternatively strong animal attraction. Both these things bring out true passion wich is (in my opinion) what sex is all about, sex without any real passion is not enjoyable at all.
And therein lies my major gripe with porn, it misses passion, I find it to be cold and dead. And the plastic barbie doll wannabes you find in the majority of movies doesnt help.
So I would say I view pornography somewhat negatively in that way.

I can enjoy erotic films if they are done tastefully. I like the soft, artistic way Playboy does things. The human body is beautiful and nudity in itself is a good thing.
I do not like the hardcore movies with one chick is gagging on a prick while two other guys tear her *** apart, I find it very distasteful. I do not understand why anyone would put themselves out there on film like that.

Sex is also a very intimate thing and adult film actors need to have a very special view of sex (or be very drunk) in order to do that without basically feeling filthy and used. That point of view usually consists of a passionless, detatched approach to the whole act wich brings me back to passion being the reason for real sexual pleasure.
Most women who try their hand at porn do it once and never again, wich speaks volumes of how it can hurt someone mentally.
I also dont understand how anyone can put up with their gf\bf being a porn actor, "Sure I have sex with others but I make love to you" doesnt really cut it. :lol:

I try not to judge porn actors but I cant help it, a pornstar is nothing but a glorified prostitute (both male and female) as far as I'm concerned. They have sex in a controlled enviroment in front of a camera but its still sex for money. Same thing.

I would never date a pornstar, and if I had a daughter who got into this I would go all Punisher on the porn industry, deal with the whole thing with extreme prejudice. I find it to be a dishonourable, degrading way of making a living.

As far as porn being degrading to women, it most certainly is but I would argue that it is equally degrading to men. Have anyone actually seen the set of a porn movie? The guy stands there in front of 20-30 people doing whatever it is he needs to do to get hard while everyone whines about him hurrying up. All the while, the female actor who is usually not pretty at all up close is off in her trailer with her boyfriend.
Havent you ever wondered why in 'Hollywood' porn there are 82356287568 different women and like 10 different guys? Not many men can handle it.

That said, the choice of watching porn or not is an individual decision, if you dont like it, dont watch it. Wich is what I have chosen.
With the exeption of the Playboy channel wich I find very entertaining. ;)
Playboys 'busted' is perhaps the funniest show I have ever seen. :thumbsup:

[TheDagdaMor145]

i dunno graav, with a number as precise as 82,356,287,568 women in the porn industry (which incidentally is quite a bit larger than the population of the world), it sounds like you must watch a whole lot of porn to keep track :lol:

cheers :drink:


(captain obvious says: yes, it was hyperbole, i know. i just couldnt resist making the joke)

[Graav Wolfsong]

:lol:

Well, who said anything about limiting my carefully researched numbers to just the earth? I'm taking into account that there must be aliens somewhere out there and they must have a porn industry too. :thumbsup:

[Essex]

and they all use human horn

[Bhs Crew]

yeah sucks that I missed angel... I may just have to invest in some dvds.
Wait. Are you telling me the series Angel has been finished? As in it won't be back next year? I didn't have a chance to watch it this past year, but I had watched all the seasons before it and it was a relatively decent show.

[Drakeon]

Yes, it is :(

This year was acutally one of the best (if not the best) seasons IMO. I loved it from start to finish and it blew Buffy's series finale out of the water.

[DizzyPenguin]

OK after my carefully researched and thought out ideas, i have figured out why we all hate things...
It's because of santa claus. I mean think about it. When your a kid growing up and you believe in magic and fantastic things you are in a world of happiness and jubilee. but then that one day comes and you find out. Then you don't believe in magic and fantastic things anymore and you are mad and full of hate.

As for other religions, you grow up jealous of the christians because you dont have some fantasmical(that's right i made up a word) person to guide you through happy world. Then you get so angered that you start wars and blame it on politics...but we know.... it's all because of santa claus


unless your buddhist, because that religion is just the sh*t

[Havard]

Sounds like an explanation of what happened to Michael Jackson... he invented his own neverland to make up for the fact that it doesn't really exist.

[Essex]

i played my parents when it came to santa claus. I acted like I believed in him just for the extra presents for the last two years he came round. I got some *****ing x-men action figures out of the deal including one of my favs. Deadpool :)

I never did fall for the Easter bunny though

[Killing Frenzy]

I stopped beliveing in Santa when I noticed that he had the same messy, all in capital letters, hand writting as my dad. :cheesy:

[Bhs Crew]

I can't remember I time I believed in Santa. If I did it must of been when I was very, very young.

[DizzyPenguin]

I stopped beliveing in Santa when I noticed that he had the same messy, all in capital letters, hand writting as my dad. :cheesy:
HAHAHA yeah it was pretty much the same for me. except I noticed more when I went to my dads house one christmas and strangely enough santas handwriting changed...hmmmm suspicious.

[Headhunter01]

Dunno if anyone can relate to me but I dunno..worth a try.

I used to think of myself as something kinda soft, though I didn't like it I felt comftable in the fact I thought I was fair.
Now I look at myself several years later and realise how much I've changed, no one else seem's to be bothered about it..I used to be pretty depressed and now it's over but I got into some pretty grim stuff, and though what I do now is only shadows of what used to happen I feel bit by bit I'm slipping into something I don't want to be. I feel I'm loosing some sort of innocence I once possessed, I tell myself why don't I stop? Thing is I don't know how, I'm tied into the world and I can't just let it drop. Everyone has a reputation and even the smallest stuff I feel is tarnishing it, I used to think of myself as a decent enough person. But now I see myself doing stuff which I know will lead to dodgy and wrong sides of things in the culture I live in.

Anyone else feel or felt the same, I don't know if I like where things could be heading and everyone around me seem's to be saying everything's ok go ahead no one cares..

I'm into Metal alot but when turning up to live show's I find myself lost in Violence which seem's to stay on me like stains, I think I lost my 'cool' along time ago especially now people are trying to convince me sex n drugs are fine.

Thing is I don't wanna turn into a frothing spliff smoking psycho who shags any bird offering.. I'm only 16 and I feel like I got a disease..I mean I like the music as a outlet for my emotion's but I feel the culture isn't right for me..

Anyone like that here?

[Bhs Crew]

I had a similer situation where I didn't really know what I was doing or going to do. What helped me was I found some things I really loved doing. Freshman year of highschool I started rowing, and found out I really loved the sport. It made me happy and relaxed and gave me a place to channel all the energy I wanted without hurting anything.

The second thing I did was I decided that I would be in complete control of myself. I don't do anything I don't want and I take complete responsibility for anything I do.

I don't know how much this helps but what worked for me is I figured out what kind of person I wanted to become and then I made sure it happened. You wont ever be the same carefree innocent person you once were but that is just something that you have to make your peace with. I still find myself missing the old carefree me, but I wouldn't go back to it anymore. I have molded myself into who I wanted to become and I am happy. Everything changes, that's the way of life. The trick is to make sure your life changes for the better.

I'm speaking from a few years past that whole experience for me. While I was there, life wasn't fun. That's my two cents. I hope it helps you somehow.