Spider-Man 2

[Essex]

Anyone else jonsing for this as badly as I am? I probably won't get to see it till this weekend but damn do I want to see this movie badly. I love Spider-Man I loved the first film and this one looks like its going to be even better.

I don't trust most reviewers however i tend to trust them as a large collected group, that's why I love www.rottentomatoes.com they combine all the reviews in one rating, if 55% of reviews like it it's "fresh" if not it's total crap. The highest I've seen a movie was 90 and that was for ROTK and Shrek 2 I think.

So far out of 40 nationally known reviewers 40 have all praised Spidey 2

here's the link.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiderMan2-1133520/

I'm sure they'll be some negatives to come out eventually but that's a pretty number for a movie i'm dying to see.

I'm also wanting to play the game really really bad.

[Booms]

My friend got to see it yesterday at the Chicago premier!!!!!!!!!!

She said that it was awesome and better than the first one.

I really really really want to see it.

[Ryu]

im gonna go see it "tonight" at 1 am for free

[Essex]

is it really "free" if you work there :p

[Xaf]

Didnt like the first spiderman, hope this one is better.

[Essex]

what didn't you like about it?

[Semidi]

I wish they used the "cool" bad guys like Venom, and why do they use the ******** 4 armed 3 stooges guy?

[Graav Wolfsong]

I'm really looking forward to this movie, its my #1 most wanted for this year.
But it doesnt open until July 8th here. :rant:

I loved the first one, I know I will love this one and I too am drooling over the game, wich also isnt out 'till July 8th here.

The Punisher and Hellboy have still not been released in Norway, Shrek 2 isnt due until September. How fun is that. Dammit! You'd think I was living in some 3rd world country but noo, they just like to needlessly delay movies. It gives them a kick to see the masses writhing in pain because of the wait.

I should ****ing kill them all!!!"/(¤)!#"%" :rant:

[Maullus]

Greetings,

Yes! I'm pretty excited about this movie. The first was very well done...(GOGO SAM RAIMI AAAAAAH!!!)... and the second has me rather eager to see it. I just hope Spidey says something like... "Give me some sugar, baby." or "Hail to the King," then I'll die a happy man.

I wish they used the "cool" bad guys like Venom, and why do they use the ******** 4 armed 3 stooges guy?

While I have to agree with you, Venom is Spiderman's coolest villain ever, I love the direction Raimi has taken with the films. Certain aspects of the Spiderman story have been changed, (he doesn't 'make' the web...sheesh, who put that in the comic in the first place? Oh, sorry Mr. Lee,) but much of it remains true to the original story. The changes I've seen I'm quite fond of. Omitting Gwen Stacey was a good idea, but including the scene where she died, (getting dropped from the bridge), was brilliant.

Basically, I think the justification for using the less "cool" of the Spiderman villains is to rely more on the story to carry the film. Green Goblin was always sorta a joke to me in the comics, but the first film really did a great job villifying him. I have no doubt that Dr. Octavius will be likewise improved over his rather nerdy comicbook counterpart.

:thumbsup:

[Benjamin_Blackheart]

Ya, didn't Doc Ock have a neon green/yellow suit in the old comics? Anyway, I agree that they should use Venom, because he is opposite Spider-Man. Good photographer, Bad Photographer. Good Spiderman, Bad symbiot.. thingy. Anyway, you get the point!

[Graav Wolfsong]

Personally, I consider the Green Goblin and Doc Ock pretty cool villains.
We're lucky they havent used Mysterio. :lol:

Green Goblin have been Spider-Man's #1 enemy since day one, hes an obvious choice. And a good choice. The Green Goblinmay look a little lame but Norman Osborn, with his pumpkin bombs, glider, super strenght, insanity, vast riches and corporate power makes for a great arch enemy. And the fact that the Osborn familiy is so entangled in Peter's personal life as well makes it all the more interesting.
Not to mention, Willem Dafoe did an amazing job as Norman Osborn. I worried at first becaus ehe doesn look like Norman and lacks the pumped up body but hes such a great actor he really nailed the insanity part and made the Green Goblin believable.

I should have learned the "he doesnt need to look like him and be all super hero buff" lesson with Ian McKellen as Magneto in X-Men. As long as they cast great actors it doesnt matter at all.

So with Doc Ock they got Alfred Molina who is a truly amazing actor. Hes almost only done theather and indie films so hes the "I do it for the art" kind of actor. Much like Willem Dafoe. I'm sure Molina really brings Otto Octavius to life.
Besides, Octavius is one of the deeper villains personality-wise and he has a great kind of evil humour that meshes well with Spider-Man.
And even tho' he looks like a geek, those arms of his have been beating the crap outta the web head for four decades now. He has the intelligence and the physical (kinda) ability to beat up Sider-Man, that makes him different than most villains as they usually fall in the brains or brawn categories.

But I would really like to see Venom as well. Hes the best Spidey villain as far as I'm concerned.
And that really says alot as Spider-Man is widely considered to have the best rogues gallery of all the superheroes. Wich I agree with, Spidey isnt overly powerful so he he has alot of enemies more powerful than himself, wich makes it interesting. I mean, with Superman, anything less than a god or a cosmic enitity would be an easy beating for him. Wich makes him boring because in an effort to make tings exciting suddenly every purse snatcher in Metropolis has some sort of kryptonite in his back pocket.

I think for Spider-Man 3 they left open alot of possibilities for different villains.

They could, conceivably, go with Venom in Spider-Man 3. Since in Spider-Man 2, MJ is about to marry an austronaut, who will probably be John jameson, J. Jonah Jamesons son. That opens up for the Venom origin from the 90's cartooon where John Jameson goes to the moon and picks up the symbiote and brings it home to be researched. Peter gets in contact with it and it replicates his powers before he manages to get rid of it and it sticks to disgruntled photographer Eddie Brock and *whammo* say hello to Venom.

Or they could go with the Lizard. Peter works for Dr. Curt Connors in Spider-Man 2 who later turns into the Lizard in an experiment aimed at growing back his arm.

And they always have the possibility of Harry Osborn going crazy and becoming the second Green Goblin. Forcing Peter to eventually kill him. That would be big drama and all so that would work. But I'm not sure they would kind of use the same villain in two movies tho'.

It could be interesting with the Smythes and all their spider slayers. That could work out. Even tho both Spencer Smythe and Alistair Smythe wouldnt be much of a big bad villain. Maybe if they use the half cyborg Alistair. Or maybe together with the Scorpion.

Or Norman Osborn could come back, hes known to do that alot.
I still dont understand why they had the glider impale his groin and not his chest in the first movie tho'. That was just freaky. :lol:

[Graav Wolfsong]

Since we already have a comic movie thread I'll post this here.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/526/526628p1.html

Speculation and the like about who's gonna be in the Fantastic Four movie that is supposed to start shooting in August. This could be really good, or it could completely tank.
I still have nightmares from the last FF movie, low budget piece of crap. :rant:

Anyway, what I got so excited about was that Michael Chiklis aka Vic Mackey from the wonderful show The Shield is the most likely candidate to play Ben Grimm\The Thing.
I'm a huge fan of Michael Chiklis so that is definitely big news. For me atleast. :)

[Essex]

Since we already have a comic movie thread I'll post this here.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/526/526628p1.html

Speculation and the like about who's gonna be in the Fantastic Four movie that is supposed to start shooting in August. This could be really good, or it could completely tank.
I still have nightmares from the last FF movie, low budget piece of crap. :rant:

Anyway, what I got so excited about was that Michael Chiklis aka Vic Mackey from the wonderful show The Shield is the most likely candidate to play Ben Grimm\The Thing.
I'm a huge fan of Michael Chiklis so that is definitely big news. For me atleast. :)
god i love the shield that is one of my favorite shows on television. I was so glad to hear he was gonna play Ben, really the only choice now that I think about it (unless you go with CG and have someone from the Sapranos do the voice)

now with venom i agree he's the best villian but Sam is wanting to do vintage Spidey and really vendom is more modern. However this is how I could see it being set up.

Clearly he won't be in the next film as they have to have some sort of set-up. Spidey has to have, or find the suit at the end of the third movie. This is my idea...

Spidey 3, villans Green Goblin II with Harry, and the Lizard as villans. You need two villans here because we've already seen GG once and it might get stale. So anyway spidey is having to fight two of his best friends in this one, Dr. Connors and Harry. Somewhere in the middle of the film he has to rescue J. J.'s son like from the cartoon and gets the suit then. He is fighting The Lizard and almost kills him due to the suits corruption... but he plays it off and goes on to fight harry.

here he almost kills harry again and or he could kill him. This would be the shock to his system necessary to cause him to cast off the suit, Brock would have to be in the movie too in order to set-up the hate between them, the end of the film would be Brock and the suit becoming one and our first glimpse of Venom as the credits role.

That would be awesome.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Yeah but I'm a little afraid nr 3 might be the last Spider-Man movie for now as both Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire said the third one would be it for them.

I'd rather see the franchise recast than shut down tho'. As long as they continue the trend of picking rather unknown talented people over lame stars it will probably be all good.

[Essex]

Yeah but I'm a little afraid nr 3 might be the last Spider-Man movie for now as both Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire said the third one would be it for them.

I'd rather see the franchise recast than shut down tho'. As long as they continue the trend of picking rather unknown talented people over lame stars it will probably be all good.
trust me with enough money toby at least would come back. Dunst is crazy for not wanting to come back. I blame it all on the fact she boinked Toby during the first movie and was probably uncomfortable this time around which shows you not to sleep with co-workers.

Hell they could kill mj and bring in Gwen Stacy just to really screw with people's heads or bring in black cat :)

[Sage the Mage]

I'm all for bringing in the Black Cat, as long as Spiderman gets an R rating haha

Remember, Eddie was mentioned in the first movie at least, so there's a chance for a Venom in a 3rd installment.

What gets me is the trailer though. Spidey being carried around with his mask off and stuff.

Yeah they're doing good things with the Spiderman movies, I wish all superhero movies could be done this way. Oh not to mention the game coming out soon, I gotta check reviews on that.

[Essex]

sage what is your avatar did you ever say?

i'm hoping Spiderman 2 will be in tomorrow when I go to Hollywood Video.

I still think Venom has to be in four not enough time unless they make a three hour movie for him to be in two.

Wonder if they could have a reed richards cameo if they include Venom :)

[Echod16]

sage what is your avatar did you ever say?

i'm hoping Spiderman 2 will be in tomorrow when I go to Hollywood Video.

I still think Venom has to be in four not enough time unless they make a three hour movie for him to be in two.

Wonder if they could have a reed richards cameo if they include Venom :)

it's a face blowing into the wind..or wasting away, :P

[Graav Wolfsong]

(unless you go with CG and have someone from the Sapranos do the voice)

Yeah that would work out well. :uhhuh:

I can see it now.

"Yous mother****ers think yous can beat us?! Yous piece of **** think yous can **** with my family?! Well then yous got another thing comin' you ****ing ******! I will shove that ****ing stupid *** facemask up yer ****ing *** Dr. Doom!"

"Its ****in' clobberin' time!!!"

On second thought, that could have some entertainment value. :thumbsup:

[Essex]

Yeah that would work out well. :uhhuh:

I can see it now.

"Yous mother****ers think yous can beat us?! Yous piece of **** think yous can **** with my family?! Well then yous got another thing comin' you ****ing ******! I will shove that ****ing stupid *** facemask up yer ****ing *** Dr. Doom!"

"Its ****in' clobberin' time!!!"

On second thought, that could have some entertainment value. :thumbsup:
hell i'd pay to see it.

then again I'd also pay to see Ben go all Strike Team on Dr. Doom's ***.

Beating in that metal face with a phone book *****!!!

and also they have to get some guy named Dutch in the movie and let Ben just make fun of him non-stop :)

[Ryu]

i saw the movie earlier and lemme tell you, its awesome
everyone should see it
great acting directing and overall just a great movie

[windwalker]

MJ is about to marry an austronaut

austronaut?

[Essex]

that's how its spelt in norway....

yeah that's the ticket.

[Graav Wolfsong]

austronaut?


Well, that is a horrible misspelling, but anyone with half a brain would see that U isnt supposed to be there and was not put there intentionally.

You do have half a brain dont you?

Just wondering, since you opted to make a post concerning one typo and all ...

[Essex]

Well, that is a horrible misspelling, but anyone with half a brain would see that U isnt supposed to be there and was not put there intentionally.

You do have half a brain dont you?

Just wondering, since you opted to make a post concerning one typo and all ...
oh snap! oh snap!


will you got served... f'ed in the a as the kids on southpark say.

[Owmyeye]

Good, bad, he's the guy with the web shooters?

As you probaly know Ash had to be in it, just as Brisco played the announcer in the first movie, and those E.D. movies as well. If Sam Raimi made a Facts of Life movie, Ellen's boss would play Natalie. Just saying, any movie with both a Bruce and Stan Lee cameo, automatically is pretty good.

For lack of a better word, it's ****intastic. Being there are so few good comic movies, i go in pessimistic and critique harsh. Nipples on the batsuit aside, and i didn't see Punisher yet, but we got SM1, X2, and DD, Batman 1, and um, the first Superman isn't that bad, though i would love to see a new one. Xmen let me down a bit, still good but my expectations were way too high, we'll call it Phantom Menace Syndrome. While Hulk just didn't feature enough Hulk for me, like 20 minutes smashing the whole movie, maybe the next one will see alot more action. Hellboy and Loeg i haven't saw.

But back to SM2, it's maybe the best comic movie so far, somewhere up with X2, which was my personal favorite before today. The effects keep improving, you can see it now and then, but for the most part it looks more fluid than swinging on harnesses when the action's going. And i still grin with pure glee when he's swinging through the city, like a rollercoaster. Molina's pretty much right on with Doc, i can't really think of anyone who would've done it better. Good story, really good fights, and here's your spoiler, and a good, good (emphasis on that second good) ending. Too bad word is 2007 for part 3.

In which they could always go big, with Harry Goblin, Lizard and Venom. Ok, maybe i'm hoping for too much, but we already know Conners and Harry, so it would really only be introducing one villain, Eddie Brock, who believes Pete took his Bugle job, so there's your motif. Or maybe Kraven and Calypso come looking for Spidey, and even bring along the Lizard, like that Torment story they did back in the 90's. I think it was called Torment, memory isn't my strong point. Either way, SM2 maybe the first movie this year i hafta go watch again, it's pretty nice.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Dammit!! I cant believe I still have to wait 8 more days before it opens in Norway. Argh!!!
It seems I have no patience. None at all. I need to see this movie. Now!

I swear on the souls of my ancestors, if there are any annoying punk kids who talk or laugh or clap or I hear any cell phones ringing while I'm watching the movie I will break out my AG3 and start poppin' caps in all their monkey asses!!

[Essex]

Dammit!! I cant believe I still have to wait 8 more days before it opens in Norway. Argh!!!
It seems I have no patience. None at all. I need to see this movie. Now!

I swear on the souls of my ancestors, if there are any annoying punk kids who talk or laugh or clap or I hear any cell phones ringing while I'm watching the movie I will break out my AG3 and start poppin' caps in all their monkey asses!!
rule number 47 about dealing with a modern day viking....

do not interupt his movie watching in anyway shape or form. This has been another message from the modern day viking awarness group...


on another note the game that is out for the consoles of Spiderman 2 is ****ing awesome... however I find myself limited to doing random helping people on the street missions because I don't want the movie plot to be revealed any!

[Owmyeye]

The noise wasn't too bad, thoug there were a few times people started clapping, and if i weren't so antisocial i may have joined in, for there were a few really good scenes that earned applause. No cell phones this time though (that does make me clap). I think it was Dawn of the Dead we were watching, when some guy's cell goes off, but he won't answer, so after it rings about 15 times everyone starts yelling for him to answer it or turn the ringer off. Some people really need a good kick in the neck sometimes. And oddly enough, didn't see many kids, mostly teens and adults it looked like. When i go to an R movie like Kill Bill or Dawn, seems there's kids running all about, belonging to most likely parents who blame video games and music when their children do something wrong. But that's a whole other rant altogether.

I was abit surprised to see the movie didn't use the Distillers version of Spider-man, nor the Ramones version, but there was a preview at the beginning for some Christmas movie that had a Ramones song in the background, so i guess that's close enough.

[Graav Wolfsong]

rule number 47 about dealing with a modern day viking....

do not interupt his movie watching in anyway shape or form. This has been another message from the modern day viking awarness group...

Damn right. Maybe some organisation should put out a leaflet or something, just so people know how to ackrite. For their own safety.
Really, it should be common sense, its just like if someone would go and poke a grizzly bear with a sharp stick while its eating in order to see how much they can get away with before they get mauled.


It just pisses me off, I'm there to watch the movie, not to listen to a bunch of teenage girls screaming in my ear. (Tho' that could be interesting in a whole other situation :wink2: )
When I was at the opening of ROTK, people got so overexcited because Viggo Mortensen was there that they spent the entire movie cheering and clapping and shouting and standing up and whatnot. It completely drowned out the sound of the movie so I had to go back the next day and see it again, but whats this? There was still a bunch of punks doing the exact same damn thing! So I had to wait a week and then go back and watch it again so I could finally get to hear the movie as well as see it.

If that happens again I will start bustin' caps in order to make sure everyone sits down and shuts up.

[Brainless]

If that happens again I will start bustin' caps in order to make sure everyone sits down and shuts up.

and thats how Graav made the world a better place. :thumbsup:

[SirBelchALot]

I saw a late night showing of it last night and it more than lived up to this webheads expectations! It was funnier, better plot/story/dialogue and it is exactly the standard that superhero movies should strive for. I have always been a fan of superhero movies and X2 was just amazing in my book and S2 is right there with it. I saw X-men 2 multiple times in the theatres and I plan to do the same for good ole Spiderman 2.

If you have any doubts about going to see this movie (not that anyone could . . .) just go. You will NOT be disappointed in the least. It is just that good.

[Eiger]

I'm certainly looking forward to it. I usually like the second movie in a series better once they get past the superhero origin stuff (Batman, Superman, for example).

[Booms]

I saw the movie last night. In a word, awesome.

The fight seens are great, and during the entire movie you can relate to Peter despite the fact that he has super-powers (and you don't).

There was one scene where the dialogue gets rediculously cheesy, but a large majority of the dialogue is great, that scene is an exception.

Its this kind of movie that gives superhero movies a good name.

[Benjamin_Blackheart]

I think the best part in Spidey-2 was the train scene. When everyone sees Pete's face it just makes you want to sit down and cry cuse u think hes dead, but you know there's still 30 min. left in the movie. GG 2 is definatly in the final film, did you see the end of SM2?? Kinda lame, but in a way its not.

Also like the way they did the beginning credits, retelliong SM 1. Kewl movie.

[Xaf]

what didn't you like about it?
cheesy dialogue(i can forgive this unless its as bad as episode 1/2)
Tons of product placement
The new yorkers who lob rocks which somehow stun a super human and then they say some cheesy lines to take advantage of the 911 sentiment.

The whole movie just seemed made for marketing. I felt like i was watching a comercial half the movie.

It had awesome cgi and good fight scenes. Just wasnt enough for me.

[Essex]

I think the best part in Spidey-2 was the train scene. When everyone sees Pete's face it just makes you want to sit down and cry cuse u think hes dead, but you know there's still 30 min. left in the movie. GG 2 is definatly in the final film, did you see the end of SM2?? Kinda lame, but in a way its not.

Also like the way they did the beginning credits, retelliong SM 1. Kewl movie.
thanks for the spoilers lol

/seeing it tonight

[Owmyeye]

Ok, i've got it. Since two GG's in a three part series is abit redundant, and it's basically the same concept of someone finding Norm's gear, Harry becomes Hobgoblin in the next movie. Of course, being the big finish Spidey would have to face both Hobgoblin and Lizard, but no prob with Black Cat's help. MJ gets jealous of Cat, so they cat-fight. A million tickets sold.

[Essex]

lol well I don't think they'll do hobgoblin cause that is someone else (about six someone elses in the comics) however they will need to add another villan to spice things up a bit.

[Graav Wolfsong]

I really think the Scorpion or the Smythe family with their spider slayers could be interesting.

[Maullus]

Greetings,

I just got home from the theater. Go go Spidey!

My complaint about the first film, the wall-crawler's lack of witty running dialogue mid-fight, was eradicated by single line of dialogue in this film.

"Here's your change!"

:lol: :thumbsup:

I loved it. Great movie. Loved the Chinese chick singing the old theme song.

[Essex]

Greetings,

I just got home from the theater. Go go Spidey!

My complaint about the first film, the wall-crawler's lack of witty running dialogue mid-fight, was eradicated by single line of dialogue in this film.

"Here's your change!"

:lol: :thumbsup:

I loved it. Great movie. Loved the Chinese chick singing the old theme song.
yeah i missed that too cause spidey is a bit of a smartass :) hey he is from New York afterall.

The game provides a lot of neat quotes and stuff like that too... for instance there's one point where a dvd store is being held up and on the way to the crime spidey says "oh no the dvds... i mean the employees"

and when having to rescue people on a boat he says "THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR... some swimming superhero but seeing as there aren't any around I guess I'll have to do it"

[Maullus]

Greetings,

yeah i missed that too cause spidey is a bit of a smartass :) hey he is from New York afterall.

The game provides a lot of neat quotes and stuff like that too... for instance there's one point where a dvd store is being held up and on the way to the crime spidey says "oh no the dvds... i mean the employees"

and when having to rescue people on a boat he says "THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR... some swimming superhero but seeing as there aren't any around I guess I'll have to do it"

:lol: :lol:

Which game? The Spiderman 2 game? I played a Spiderman game a while back... not the game for the film, but one for the recent systems. I can't recall, but I didn't like it very much. I had to chase Venom over skyscrapers and stuff at one point, and he kept getting away, so that one lost my attention. ;) Good thing it was my brother's.

[Essex]

yeah its called Spider-man 2 its out for x-box, gamecube and playstation 2 but DO NOT get it for the pc that is a different game made by different folks and it sucks.

the good one came out just last week and it rocks :)

[Graav Wolfsong]

yeah its called Spider-man 2 its out for x-box, gamecube and playstation 2 but DO NOT get it for the pc that is a different game made by different folks and it sucks.

the good one came out just last week and it rocks :)

I dunno about that.
That kids game may be all worth it just to hear Kirsten Dunst say "Oh my favorite part of Spidey is his sticky web". :wink2:

[Essex]

I dunno about that.
That kids game may be all worth it just to hear Kirsten Dunst say "Oh my favorite part of Spidey is his sticky web". :wink2:
it seriously says that?!

[Graav Wolfsong]

Yeah. She said so in an interview.

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/523/523532p1.html

Its aimed at kids who wont get it, but its an interesting comment for the many men who drool over her regularly tho'. :thumbsup:

[Essex]

i don't really like Dunst all that much, I mean obviously... but usually I can find a woman attractive but with her and the red hair it doesn't work, however as a blonde I think she looks nice. Strange huh?

[Essex]

that interview made me chuckle, the part about "Leg Envy? Spider-mans a real man and besides those are fake legs (talking about Ock) that's like having fake tits" lol

[Essex]

yes yet another post by me... odd I'm not meaning to bump this but oh well.

Spider-man 2 made A FREAKING KILLING this weekend.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&e=1&u=/nm/20040705/en_nm/leisure_boxoffice_dc

that's a lot of money 180 in 6 days crushing the record of Matrix: Reloaded who made 147 mil.

Wowie wow wow wow

and F 9/11 made another 21 mil even with the Spider-man 2 competition.

[Owmyeye]

Nuts. Already beaten the story part, and suffering from boss dt's. In the credits it mentions Calypso, but i haven't found her yet, dunno if she's in game or what's going on with that. Anyhow, i'm just really hoping they don't wait til 2007 for another Spidey game. A new game (same engine) can show what's going on with him between movies. Harry Goblin and Lizard have a good chance of being in part three, so don't use them. The game could feature Venom, Electro, Sandman, Vulture, Kraven, Jack o' Lantern, Tombstone, and/or others. Just don't use the villains from the third film, and there should be no problem. I just really want another Spidey game, the size of Vice City. SM2 has some side missions, but i would like to see a ton, enough to take me a couple months to do them all. And more villains. The boss fights in SM2 rock, but there weren't enough. I wanna see Spidey vs. the Marvel Universe, or at least a good 7-8 villains next game. Either way, best superhero game ever. And movie.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Maybe they could have him fight Galactus or something. :) You know, just for the challenge. :thumbsup:

[Xaf]

Ok wtf, the movie sucked. Even worse than the first one. I really dont need to see 2 hours of bad dialogue with 30 min of action. Its supposed to be the other way around.

[Owmyeye]

Watch one of the later Batman movies (with the batsuit nipples and batman bum shots every three minutes), then watch SM2, and you'll find it doesn't suck so bad for a comic movie. Then watch a movie called Shredder Orpheus, and you'll find any other movie in the world doesn't suck so bad. Although if you're looking for lotsa action with bad dialogue, there's always Matrix or Underworld. Or you could have your cake while eating it with Romeo Must Die, The Replacement Killers, or most any Tarrentino movie; Kill Bill 1 has plenty of action with pretty good dialogue. But for great action and great dialogue, i dunno, Aliens maybe, not many to choose from. Either way, SM2 is still the best comic movie yet, next to Howard the Duck of course.

[Essex]

ooh also there is hard boiled that'd a damn good hong kong action flick.

[Maullus]

Greetings,

While everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, I just can't fathom how anyone would think the movie sucked. I know people that can't stand comics that enjoyed the film. :scratch:

Regardless, I think it did a fantastic job of presentining Peter Parker without relegating him to the Shadow of Spiderman. He is the man, Spiderman is the contrived entity. I think that by showing Spiderman several times, (Four scenes I can think of off the top of my head), without his mask on, the director (GOGO Sam Raimi!) was sending a visual message. Spiderman, unlike the immortal and invulnerable Superman, (Sure, Kryptonite... but who walks around with that **** in their back pocket?), or the indestructable Hulk or Wolverine, or even the larger-then-life Batman, is, above all else, a man. As the fellow on the monorail said, "He's just a kid."

So, yes, I suppose I can understand how someone didn't enjoy the film if they went in expecting 2 hours of action and approximately 30 minutes of (arguably) crappy dialogue. As it was, however, I felt like I watched a quality movie that was far superior to any "Die Hard" clone with a superpowed freak.

What is so enjoyable about the recent comic book revolution is that people are taking these characters and their stories seriously. Not too seriously, of course, as most good stories are sprinkled with humor (as it should be), but seriously enough to convice us, the fickle audience, to take them seriously as well. X-men has shades of the civil rights era of the 60s, but taken up a notch and presented on a global scale. You have those working for their rights through the system, and those working for their rights by violence. Spiderman is just the story of a man, with great powers and a great sense of responsibility.

Anyway, coming from an age when I watched all the old comic book adaptations... the old Spiderman show and movies, Daredevil, Captain America, the Punisher, the Hulk. Oh, they were awful. And they all shared characteristics of the new comic movies that are awful as well. The writer, director, actors, or perhaps all of them, just aren't taking the story seriously. They figure, "Oh, this Punisher guy likes to kill criminals because his family died. Ok, we'll make a two hour movie of him blowing **** up," and that isn't going to cut it. Garth Ennis gave the Punisher a stone-cold, in-depth personality that is conveyed briefly through his dialogue and primarily through his hilarious, dry inner monologue. He doesn't just blow **** up...he's blows **** up with style.

;)

[Galron Kincaid]

2 questions:

Is Sam Raimi still the Director?

and most important:

Is there ANY hint about Venom? He's my favorite char (note! Favorite char, not villain. Yes, that means i like him more than Spidey).

[Essex]

sorry gal no mention of Venom

and yes Raimi is still director (there's another Bruce Campbell camo too!!)

I still say Venom in 4 if at all

[Graav Wolfsong]

(Sure, Kryptonite... but who walks around with that **** in their back pocket?)

Apparently, everyone. In the DC universe at least. Lex Luthor, bank robbers, purse snatchers, telemarketers, the next door kid who shots kryptonite nuggets with his slingshot, pretty much everyone. I think I have some in the basement as well.


I dont really understand why people dont like the Spider-Man movies either. The whole draw of Spider-Man is Peter Parker. The fact that he just an average guy with average problems that gets the superhero crap dumped on him and he has to deal with that as well. Without the personal story elements of Peter Parker, Spider-Man is just a standard superhero.
Same thing with the X-Men really, just normal people gifted\cursed with mutant abilities. Its that human touch that makes it interesting, and without the focus on the story and the emotional depth of the characters, all these new superhero movies would suck bigtime.

But I've heard the drama in SM2 gets a little thick at times.

I really like how Sam Raimi took alot of the story elements from Stan Lee's "Spider-Man No More" storyline in Amazing Spider-Man #50. They even have the "I am Spider-Man no more" quote with him walking away from his costume in the trash just like in issue #50.

And I like the Bruce Campbell cameos, especially in the Spider-Man games where Capbell runs you through the tutorial while he cracks jokes at your expense. In SM1 hes just in the tutorial but in SM2 he harasses you pretty much the whole game. :lol:

But if they have Venom in the movie, they should eventually have Carnage as well. That is one ****ed up parent-child relationship. Might just be because Cletus Cassidy is insane tho'.

Or the Sandman, thats a CGI challenge.

[Galron Kincaid]

MMMhhhh...... i wouldn't define Peter Parker as a regular guy.


He has a disastrous familiar condition, was a total loser before getting teh super-powerz (well.... technically he still is: he's a loser with super powers, and that makes him attract the admiration of people and the attention of chixxx), and is a strong believer in all that is good and just.... that's not regular imho.


It's no guess he turns into Jack Black when the genetic powered-up spider bites him! The guy is far cooler and more Super-Hero-affine! (Jack Black ya know? The one who attached the Ring of Sauron to his pe.... no i'm making things up).


If I got super-powers......well i'd turn into a villain, why deny it? (EDIT: to make an example, i'd have most gladly accepted Green Goblin's offer of alliance....he's freakin Daniel Defoe damnit!).

What about YOU?


What would YOU become if you got super-powerz? I think it's an interesting topic.

[Graav Wolfsong]

MMMhhhh...... i wouldn't define Peter Parker as a regular guy.


He has a disastrous familiar condition, was a total loser before getting teh super-powerz (well.... technically he still is: he's a loser with super powers, and that makes him attract the admiration of people and the attention of chixxx), and is a strong believer in all that is good and just.... that's not regular imho.

I dunno about that. I'm very much like Peter Parker only ... erm ... more violent and unforgiving and I have slightly twisted morals. :innocent:

[Ryu]

did anyone else know stan lee was in the movie?
he was the guy dodging debris :p

and yeah spiderman and x-men are my favorite because their "average" people compared to other super heros

[Sage the Mage]

Graav Wolfsong....Daredevil?

Yeah I noticed Stan Lee was in the movie, one of those, "HEY I KNOW WHO THAT IS!!!" moments.

[Graav Wolfsong]

did anyone else know stan lee was in the movie?

Stan Lee has cameos in all the new Marvel comics movies. They even had Stan and the guy who played the original Hulk do a cameo together in Hulk.

Graav Wolfsong....Daredevil?

What about Daredevil? I dont understand your point.

I certainly hope you didnt just imply that Daredevil is like an average dude. :lol:

And I really dont need to be reminded of that movie, I'v been doing my best to repress the memories of Ben Affleck as Matt Murdock. The hell were the casting guys thinking?!
Jennifer Garner was hawt as Electra tho'.

[Ryu]

thats the only reason i saw daredevil
jennifer garner :p

[Maullus]

Greetings,

If I got super-powers......well i'd turn into a villain, why deny it? (EDIT: to make an example, i'd have most gladly accepted Green Goblin's offer of alliance....he's freakin Daniel Defoe damnit!).

What about YOU?


What would YOU become if you got super-powerz? I think it's an interesting topic.

Wasn't it William Defoe? :scratch:

And my behavior would depend on what super powers I got. Without getting too specific in that regard, however, I'd probably use them as most superheroes do. I'd try to stop crime within, or only slightly outside, the structure of the law. I have to admit I'd probably get tired of stopping the same people from doing the same thing over and over again... I might start to get a little Punisher on their asses.

[Owmyeye]

I'm a neutral kinda guy, so with powers i would probaly be occasionally villainish, but for a good reason i'm sure. And if other superbeings, heros or villains, started something then my telekinesis would drop a truck on them. And i might even save someone if i'm having a good day. It's all about the profit, alliances are only for show.

I always liked Marvel over DC because Marvel deals in flawed heros, while DC was more perfect powerhouses. Although I'm still hoping for good things from next year's Batman movie, supposedly based on Miller's Year One. With Christian Bale as Batman, who i don't really know aside from Reign of Fire, but at least it's not Matt Damon.

Back to SM2, it's not the best movie ever, but it's still really good, especially for a comic movie. Although Venom would be really nice to see in a later movie. But Molina was great as Oc, i never much liked the character, a fat guy with a bowlcut; the movie was probaly the first time i was happy seeing him. Much deeper characters than the first, better fights and story, and a villain that actually looks like the comic version (though i prefer Molina's Oc to spandex chubby bowlcut guy anyday). And Bruce Campbell, he's like cheese, makes everything better. Now if only we could get a Brisco County, Jr movie.

[windwalker]

i was just joking by the way. i knew what you meant, i was just acting like an *******.

EDIT: this post will make no sense, just warning you so dont ask

[Sage the Mage]

Batman Begins (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372784/)
It has the Scarecrow, and for some reason I remember the Scarecrow.


But if they have Venom in the movie, they should eventually have Carnage as well. That is one ****ed up parent-child relationship. Might just be because Cletus Cassidy is insane tho'.

I'd rate the movie R if they brought in Carnage :)

[Ryu]

i have no clue who like 3/4 of those ppl are lol

[Galron Kincaid]

I'd rate the movie R if they brought in Carnage :)


Hell! I'd give it PG18! :lol:

[Drakeon]

Well for all those who want Venom/Carnage (since they seem to be so popular)

I don't expect it to start happening until at least Spiderman 4, Sam Raimi said that he only wanted to use villians that he read about growing up (venom was introduced in the late 80's, so he doesn't apply to that). Thats just fine with me though, I don't really care if we ever see either of them in the spiderman movies.

I can almost guarantee that the next movie will have Harry as Green Goblin (NOT HOBGOBLIN! Where do people get this info that they think harry was ever hobgoblin?!). Maybe they'll have another villian in it to spice things up, as we've already seen Green Goblin before. Could be the lizard, we've already seen Dr. Curt Connors in the movies...

Me? I'd like to see Electro myself, always loved his powers..

[Booms]

I never read the Spider-man comics...whats the relationship between Venom and Carnage?

[Essex]

Electro is one of the most powerful villans spidey has but he's rather prideful so he always over estimates himself.

[Graav Wolfsong]

I never read the Spider-man comics...whats the relationship between Venom and Carnage?

Carnage is Venoms child.
Eddie Brock was separated from the Venom symbiote and tossed in the slammer where he shared a cell with Cletus Kasady, a homicidal nutcase.
The Venom symbiote came to rescue Brock but it turned out to be pregnant and gave birth to the another symbiote during the rescue. The symbiote spawn was left behind during the prison break and merged with Kasady to create Carnage. --Not sure how Venom got pregnant, maybe the symbiote did the nasty with Peter when they were stuck with eachother? :wink2: --

Carnage is alot stronger than both Spider-Man and Venom. After escaping from prison, Carnage went nuts all over town and Spidey got his *** whupped. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and Venom had to gang up on him to put him down.
Strangely enough, even tho' Carnage is insanely powerful (literally hah!), he always ends up back at Ravencroft Asylum.

[Essex]

Carnage is Venoms child.
Eddie Brock was separated from the Venom symbiote and tossed in the slammer where he shared a cell with Cletus Kasady, a homicidal nutcase.
The Venom symbiote came to rescue Brock but it turned out to be pregnant and gave birth to the another symbiote during the rescue. The symbiote spawn was left behind during the prison break and merged with Kasady to create Carnage. --Not sure how Venom got pregnant, maybe the symbiote did the nasty with Peter when they were stuck with eachother? :wink2: --

Carnage is alot stronger than both Spider-Man and Venom. After escaping from prison, Carnage went nuts all over town and Spidey got his *** whupped. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and Venom had to gang up on him to put him down.
Strangely enough, even tho' Carnage is insanely powerful (literally hah!), he always ends up back at Ravencroft Asylum.
one of the best games I ever played for the SNES was Maxium Carnage... man that game rocked.

It took more than spidey FF and Venom... there was all sorts of people helping out. However most of them were b-rate heroes at best like Cloak and Dagger, Morbius, Iron Fist, and even Blade I think. Black Cat helped out also.

I imagine the symbiote produces asexually ever so often.

Also graav I know your reading this do you play NBA2k4 (Espn NBA basketball) for the x-box cause all the people online who play are jerks who just pick the lakers/mavs

[Graav Wolfsong]

Also graav I know your reading this do you play NBA2k4 (Espn NBA basketball) for the x-box cause all the people online who play are jerks who just pick the lakers/mavs

ESPN NBA2K4 gets some time in the rotation yes. My Xbox is temporarily out of commision tho' as I accidentally thrashed my TV. Hitting it on the side always made it work before. :( I plan to get all McGyver on it later tonight. :thumbsup:

Pick the Raptors! Vince can get you through anything!
Even against those stupid Mavs who just stand behind the arc and nail threes. How can the Diggler never miss dunks, hook shots, mid range, and threes and also have a 90+ rating in rebounding?!
Seriously, how can everyone on that team hit threes in their sleep?!
Ugh, that really vexes me.

[Essex]

hell the guy I played was using the pacers and miller magically hit every single three he shot. It was my first try but damn that was annoying.

my tag is Knivens so add me when you get up and running again :)

[Maullus]

Greetings,

I imagine the symbiote produces asexually ever so often.

Half right. The symbiote does indeed reproduce asexually every so often, but it is actually somewhat like an ovary in that it has a limited number of 'eggs' (other symbiotes) it can produce.

As Eddie Brock escaped the symbiote unintentionally left behind it's first known spawn, which attached itself to the homicidal Kassidy.

Later on, in Venom's "Lethal Protector" series, the Venom symbiote and Brock were separated by an organization (I can't remember who), and all of the remaining symbiote spawn were forcibly removed and attached to prechosen individuals. Needless to say, while seeing 5 symbiotes of varying colors was a cool sight, it was just a plot gimmick and they were all permanently slain, (the symbiotes, not the hosts), by the end of the series. Only Venom and Kassidy remain.

I've always been a huge fan of them both, though Venom is infinitely cooler simply because, while he is crazy, he is crazy with style. :thumbsup:

Edit: I don't know whether the plot hole of Carnage being able to spawn more symbiotes has ever been resolved or not. Anyone know? If not, I'd die to be able to write that story. :D :D :D

[Drakeon]

Electro is one of the most powerful villans spidey has but he's rather prideful so he always over estimates himself.

I wouldn't call him prideful, more like dumb.

If electro was ever as smart as Magneto, he could be almsot or just as powerful as him. He controls electricity, one half of the electro-magnetic spectrum. I imagine he could also mind control people (messing with peoples brainwaves, as they are EM pulses right?). At least I think he could do those things..

I also wouldn't call Carnage a LOT stronger then venom, I'd call them near-equal's.

The only reason it took all of new yorks heros (or half of them anyways, theres so many based in NY) was becasue Carnage wasn't alone either. He has himself, Shriek, doppleganger spiderman (6 armed spidey from another doppleganger dimension), Demogoblin, Caliban and maybe a few others.

[Essex]

caliban was in on that? What was he doing there? All he can do is track down other mutants... unless they were hunting morlocks or something. Plus I didn't think any of the x-men played a part in that seires.

[Graav Wolfsong]

If electro was ever as smart as Magneto, he could be almsot or just as powerful as him. He controls electricity, one half of the electro-magnetic spectrum. I imagine he could also mind control people (messing with peoples brainwaves, as they are EM pulses right?). At least I think he could do those things.

Its been stated a few times that if Electro ever actually thought things through and trained in the use of his powers, he would be one of the most powerful superbeings in existence. That may or may not have been a little hyperbole but he would definitely have the whole Magneto+1 thing going.

He has shown some interesting use of his abilites before, like using his powers to "turn off" Spider-Man's wall crawling ability and overriding mind control by controlling electical impulses in his brain.
I mean, the human nervous system runs on electrical impulses, Electro could just shut everyone down.


I also wouldn't call Carnage a LOT stronger then venom, I'd call them near-equal's.

While Carnage has been downplayed a little recently, when he was first introduced he was played up to be powerful as hell. I mean, Venom is more powerful than Spidey, and Carnage is more powerful, or more 'evolved' than Venom. The Carnage symbiote has alot of abilities Venom does not have.

But I agree that Venom is infinitely cooler, Carnage is just a nutcase but like Maullus said, Venom is crazy with style. And Eddie Brock adds much more depth to the character than Cletus Kasady does for Carnage.
And I really enjoy the back and forth between Spidey and Venom, especially how Venom always informs Spider-Man that he is going to eat his brains.

But the fire weakness is just lame. He gets nailed with that every damn time. Guess Venom would be kinda overpowered without it tho'.

[Graav Wolfsong]

caliban was in on that? What was he doing there? All he can do is track down other mutants... unless they were hunting morlocks or something. Plus I didn't think any of the x-men played a part in that seires.

This happened after Caliban was turned in to one of Apocalypses horsemen if I am not mistaken.
Caliban got a bit of a power boost after that, he could actually throw a punch. :p

[Essex]

why exactly does Venom eat brains? Is that all the suit can eat? Or does it just prefer that sort of thing?

[Semidi]

My prediction for for sm2
Venom (?)
Dr. oct (SPOILER: he "died but his arms didn't so they could take over totally)
GG2
PLEASE GOD no lizard man, mysterio, or animal guy.

for number 4 (hopefully)
Carnage
Venom

[Danny5]

I saw spiderman 2 the day it opened.

Decent movie. Good acting in some parts, while the actors had to deal with cheesy dialogue in other parts, making for some 'confused' acting. They really tried to over-do the special effects, and they failed. Not all that amazing. They tried to end the movie on a cliffhanger like the last one... Only they tried to do it about 5 times at the end of this movie. Again, like the Special effects, it was overdone, not that exciting, and tarnished the movie.

I'll give the it a 7 out of 10.

[Drakeon]

Who's "animal guy"? That could refer to multiple people in spideys rogue gallery, like Kraven the Hunter (wears animal skins, sorta), Rhino, etc.

Lizard might or might not be in it, as Dr. Connors is already in it. Besides, I always liked Lizard as an enemy, wouldn't mind him in #3.

Venom may START to be set up in #3, but he will NOT be the focus of it, his story takes far too long to set up for him to just appear out of nowhere. First they have to explain the symbiote, then peter has to get it, then peter has to ditch the suit and finally the suit or symbiote has to bond with Eddie.

Doc Ock won't be the villian for #3 AGAIN, trust me. I also thought of the arms completely taking over his body if he "died", but they wouldn't have the same villian in 2 movies in a row.

[Galron Kincaid]

Kingpin, anyone?

[Maullus]

Greetings,

While Carnage has been downplayed a little recently, when he was first introduced he was played up to be powerful as hell. I mean, Venom is more powerful than Spidey, and Carnage is more powerful, or more 'evolved' than Venom. The Carnage symbiote has alot of abilities Venom does not have.

But I agree that Venom is infinitely cooler, Carnage is just a nutcase but like Maullus said, Venom is crazy with style. And Eddie Brock adds much more depth to the character than Cletus Kasady does for Carnage.
And I really enjoy the back and forth between Spidey and Venom, especially how Venom always informs Spider-Man that he is going to eat his brains.

But the fire weakness is just lame. He gets nailed with that every damn time. Guess Venom would be kinda overpowered without it tho'.

Yup, like Carnage's ability to launch projectiles from his symbiont. They dissolve shortly after, but they last long enough to impale many an innocent bystander.

The thing with Carnage is that, pound for pound, he is Spiderman's worst nightmare. Venom is, perhaps, Spiderman's most dangerous enemy simply because he is driven by a passion to destroy both Peter and Spiderman. He has a peculiar code of ethics, but he is smart and extremely dangerous.

Carnage, on the other hand, isn't so smart. He's just a killer. But how many people has he killed? Every time he whacks a civilian down, Spiderman loses. There were a lot of losses in Maximum Carnage.

Kingpin, anyone?
I always thought of Kingpin as more of an enemy of Daredevil's, and the Punisher's, who occassionally made an appearance in Spiderman. Could be wrong. Never much went in for the really fat guy that was actually super strong.

[Essex]

plus he's owned by the movie company that made DD he can't be used in a Spiderman movie ever.


Does Carnage know Spidey is Peter Parker?

Also what's the deal with Kraven... I always hear people talk about him like he's a great villan but I don't even know what his deal is. I do wish black cat would be in the next movie... dunno who could play her though (Christina Applegate maybe?)

[Owmyeye]

Kraven was a big game hunter, got some serum or potion or something that made him stronger, faster, etc, and hunts Spidey. Hangs out with Calypso, voodoo woman who, if i remember right, also drank said serum. Not too sure on her powers. Kraven finally caught Spidey in one series, sedated him, buried him alive to prove he could, and since there was no bigger 'game' to hunt, shot himself. Since then he's come back alive though, maybe some of Calypso's magic, not sure how really.

[Graav Wolfsong]

I do wish black cat would be in the next movie... dunno who could play her though (Christina Applegate maybe?)

Elisha Cuthbert!!111! :drool:


Yeah, Kraven shot himself but did he come back? I thought it was his son. :scratch:

So much happened while they for some reason stopped releasing Spider-Man in Norway from like '94 to '99 and with my weak economy back then, having it shipped from the states was out of the question, I feel like I missed alot.
Especially this whole clone mess, I cant make heads or tales out of that without picking up every single back issue.
I didnt start reading Spider-Man again until a while before Peter and Mary Jane had all that trouble and then she "died". Strange tho', it seemed pretty obvious that they were setting up a romance between Peter and Jill Stacy but they just forgot about that after a while.

[Owmyeye]

Could've been his son, i just remember seeing him on the cover of a Spiderman comic a few years ago, makes more sense than my voodoo res theory, kids are always villains, like Children of the Corn. I haven't read Spiderman in awhile, i'll probaly have to start back, only thing been reading recently is the Jim Lee Superman run, and an occasional graphic novel (30 Days of Night and Kingdom Come were the last two i got, and both are good, KC is really good, next best thing to Dark Knight Returns). Though i mostly read Marvel over DC, i like most anything with Batman or Superman. Give me Superman vs Howard the Duck and it will be a happy day. And Jonah Hex, he was always good stuff.

On a Spidey note, game spoiler ahead so may not want to read if haven't finished story part, has anyone found Calypso yet? I'm thinking maybe to unlock her beat the warehouse fighting missions, but not sure, i'm only up to the third one so far. So far, the boss fights in the game have been great, and i've been quite excited after seeing Calypso listed in the credits, so i'm hoping she's a hidden boss, can never have too many Spidey enemies in a game.

I don't know who Elisha Cuthbert is, but she has a cool last name. Neither here nor there, but there's a Mount Gilead in NC. Rock.

[Essex]

yeah its in the warehouse owmyeye I'm not sure which mode you have to do but its in there. :)

[Ryu]

could someone summarize spiderman history/villians for ppl like me who are lost in this thread?

[Graav Wolfsong]

I don't know who Elisha Cuthbert is, but she has a cool last name.

Elisha Cuthbert is the girl who plays Kiefer Sutherlands daughter, Kim Bauer in '24'. She is sizzlin' hot. :thumbsup:
Reportedly shes one of the actors in the running to play Sue Storm in the FF movie.

could someone summarize spiderman history/villians for ppl like me who are lost in this thread?

I could but I dont have the time or the energy to run through 40+ years of comic history right now. :) If no one feels up to the task I'll see if I get around to it tomorrow.

I'm finally going to see Spider-Man 2 tomorrow by the way. :clap:
Goddamn unholy, evil, lets-delay-the-release bastards running things around here. I hate them so much!! :rant:

[Essex]

Elisha Cuthbert is the girl who plays Kiefer Sutherlands daughter, Kim Bauer in '24'. She is sizzlin' hot. :thumbsup:
Reportedly shes one of the actors in the running to play Sue Storm in the FF movie.



I could but I dont have the time or the energy to run through 40+ years of comic history right now. :) If no one feels up to the task I'll see if I get around to it tomorrow.

I'm finally going to see Spider-Man 2 tomorrow by the way. :clap:
Goddamn unholy, evil, lets-delay-the-release bastards running things around here. I hate them so much!! :rant:
no no no no no she can't play sue storm that's wrong. Unless you get ****ing aston kutcher to play reed and then a 17 year old to play Johnny. Johnny is the young one, Sue should be older young then Uma Thurman (although Uma wouldn't be a bad choice) Reed is an older acomplished scientest at the time... isn't he?


Plus I don't know enough about spidey's history just what i've learned through common geek knowledge, video games, and the cartoons lol

[Drakeon]

The reason they forgot about the romance between Jill and Peter is becasue no one cared about it (aka the sales were down). So they brought in new writers and they didn't want to go with Jill and one of them (J. Michael Stryznski, probably misspelled his lastname) brought back Mary Jane (after they found her, peter and her were seperated).

The clone saga was a HUGE mess.

I'll give you the abridged version.

Ben Riley (The clone) shows up after 5 some years (there was an old spidey story in the 70's i think that dealth with a spider-clone) and becomes the scarlet spider. Needless to say he looks exactly like peter and eventually they do some tests and find out that Ben Riley is the "real" peter and that peter is the clone. This goes on for a few years until Marvel finally gave the fans what they wanted and re-declared Ben the clone and Peter the "real" one. In the same issue we find out that Peter is infact, the real spiderman, we also find Norman Osborn alive and well due to a healing factor, and he was the one suppsosedly responsible for the whole clone mess, trying to mess with peters head.

Yea, confusing as hell, i know. There were other clones like Kaine and Spidercide, but they are unimportant as they appeared and died in the clone saga.

[Graav Wolfsong]

no no no no no she can't play sue storm that's wrong. Unless you get ****ing aston kutcher to play reed and then a 17 year old to play Johnny. Johnny is the young one, Sue should be older young then Uma Thurman (although Uma wouldn't be a bad choice) Reed is an older acomplished scientest at the time... isn't he?

Actually, I've read rumours that for the movie theyre basing it on the Ultimate Fantastic Four comic in wich their all pretty young. That seems to be false tho' considering Michael Chiklis(41) plays Ben Grimm, Ioan Gruffudd(31) plays Reed Richards and Chris Evans(23) plays Johnny Storm.

The character that still hasnt been casted is Sue Storm. Strongest candidates for the role is reported to be Jessica Alba, Elisha Cuthbert, Rachel MacAdams and Keri Russel.
Now, I like Jessica Alba because of her extreme hotness :spy: with Elisha Cuthbert in a close second but the one I think would fit the role best is Rachel MacAdams, shes 28, more of a fit for a Sue Storm and she did a good job in her last film 'The Notebook'.

But if they go and pick Keri 'Felicity' Russell I will never watch this movie. Never ever ever. Damn I hate her and that stupid show, man I cant even understand how a wonderful woman like Jennifer Garner could have been in a ****ty show like that. Ms Garner did denounce the show as "Boring, stale and repetetive" and said she was glad to get out but still ...
My ex-gf was addicted to it so I had it inflicted on me a number of times, oh the torture. I hate that show so much, I'd choose a days of our lives marathon over that crap. :rant:

[Graav Wolfsong]

Ben Riley (The clone) shows up after 5 some years (there was an old spidey story in the 70's i think that dealth with a spider-clone) and becomes the scarlet spider. Needless to say he looks exactly like peter and eventually they do some tests and find out that Ben Riley is the "real" peter and that peter is the clone. This goes on for a few years until Marvel finally gave the fans what they wanted and re-declared Ben the clone and Peter the "real" one. In the same issue we find out that Peter is infact, the real spiderman, we also find Norman Osborn alive and well due to a healing factor, and he was the one suppsosedly responsible for the whole clone mess, trying to mess with peters head.

Yea, confusing as hell, i know. There were other clones like Kaine and Spidercide, but they are unimportant as they appeared and died in the clone saga.

Geez, that is confusing. I've been trying to make sense of it by the few back issues I have of that time but the whole story just seems badly thought out to me. Add in that MJ got pregnant and lost the baby or whatever and some other things and you got a whole lot of crap to dig through.


The reason they forgot about the romance between Jill and Peter is becasue no one cared about it (aka the sales were down). So they brought in new writers and they didn't want to go with Jill and one of them (J. Michael Stryznski, probably misspelled his lastname) brought back Mary Jane (after they found her, peter and her were seperated).

They seem to have even written Randy, Gloria and Jill out completely lately. I havent seen them since the story arc where Eddie Brock gets cancer and the symbiote leaves him to get Peter but eventually Eddie and the symbiote merge and become Venom for good.

It actually kind of bothered me that Peter and Mary Jane got back together just like that, all fine and dandy. I mean, after he found her (gotta wonder what that guy was doing with her for that year he had her locked up, considering his need to 'be' Peter Parker :wink2: ) the first thing she did was leave him and go to LA.
So while Peter is struggling with financial problems, having to live in some dump, Aunt May finding out hes Spider-Man, dealing with Ezekiel and the supposedly magic\totemistic origin of his powers, Mary Jane is livin' it up in LA, doing who knows what with that lobster boy, only thinking about herself and giving Peter loads of crap for being Spider-Man.
She even believed he cheated on her for years when that demon wasp thing went on that TV tabloid show in human form to lure Spidey out.
What a damn *****! I just dont understand how Peter isnt resentful of that.

I guess I get a little too involved in stuff I follow for a long time, maybe because Peter is so easy to relate with but Mary Jane really pissed me off. :lol:

And that whole thing with Ezekiel and the magic origin stuff about Spideys powers smells like another mess the writers will eventually just ignore completely to me. It could have been an interesting way to add the new enemies and stuff, but it just doesnt hold up in my opinion. Ezekiel is cool tho'.

[Essex]

i've never read the ultimate FF or any of the ultimates to be honest (although I should)

I like the casting of Ioan as Reed (I have a soft spot in my heart for Ioan but I'll be damned if I'm going to go see that new King Arthur movie) who's the person playing Johnny again? I don't know him.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Never heard of Chris Evans either. A quick imdb search tells me I dont remember him because I have never seen any of his films.
He was the male lead in Not Another Teen Movie, wich I remember refusing to go see. :lol:

[Booms]

Not Another Teen Movie was funny!

[Graav Wolfsong]

Well I finally got to see Spider-Man 2. Definitely worthy of all the hype in my opinion. It was even better than X2, best comic movie ever!
The way the whole thing was set up really impressed me, I mean, the dialogue could have come off as really cheesy and lame, and the movie could have seemed like it tried to be all dramatic and epic if it had been a movie that took itself seriously, but all the comedic moments and the hilarious little details really balanced things out and made it great!

That scene with Spidey in the elevator had me laughing my *** off, it was genious the way they made it feel so utterly bizarre and awkward. :thumbsup:

And I really loved the action scenes, the CGI has improved quite a bit and Doc Ock is totally bad ***. I dont understand how people could say Doc Ock is a lame villain. Alfred Molina didnt get to go over the top crazy like Willem Dafoe did with Norman Osborn tho', wich is understandable considering Doc Okcs more calculated way of evil-doing but its a little ashame.

But considering Harry going nuts and finding the Goblin gear, its a little too obvious whats going to happen in Spider-Man 3. Tho' it could be just so they can catch us off guard with a lame villain like Mysterio or Vulture. :lol:

I'm definitely gonna go see Spider-Man 2 again this week.

Note: I did not have to bust any caps tonight, people did annoy me but stopped just short of eating lead.
The guy next to me checked his cell phone all the time tho' so I was bothered by the cell phone light in my face, even after the announcement by the robot lady on the screen said before the movie that everyone should turn their phones off, he just kept checking his phone every damn minute. And he actually got upset when I commented that if he didnt turn that thing off and put it away I would shove it up his ***. I mean, really, if you persist on annoying random strangers you have to be ready to be threatened a little. :innocent:

[Ryu]

vulture was in the spiderman 1 game i think
several ppl were that werent in either movie

[Owmyeye]

Vulture vs Mysterio, but then a strong wind blows and knocks them both out. They're not quite as bad as that Spot guy that looked like a dalmation, but i would say they're pretty close. Although, i do kinda like Jack o' Lantern a little, so i'm not above the magnetic pull of lame villains.

[Drakeon]

http://www.eonline.com/Features/Features/Heatwave2004/Spiderman/index5.html

Very interesting info about spiderman 3 :p

John Jameson coming back with a "special passenger" is obviously setting up venom if they decide to keep that in SM3. That was how they introduced him in the cartoon and is also by far the easiest way to explain him.

[Graav Wolfsong]

Woohoo! Black Cat, that means tight catsuit! Now that is going to be hot! :drool:

So in SM3 they will probably set up Venom for SM4 while Spidey kick the crap outta Harry. I wonder if Peter gets the symbiote suit in SM3 or they hold for SM4, it would make sense for it to happen in SM3 since it would be alot left to set up at the beginning of SM4 if it doesnt.
But SM4 is kind of in limbo since most of the actors have drawn the line at 3 movies. I dont think we would ever see Venom in SM3 tho', considering Harry obviously becoming the Green Goblin, it just seems like too much to cram into one movie.
But from what I've read, it almost seemed like John Jameson will be the one who hosts the Venom symbiote. Wich would make sense since Eddie Brock hasnt been introduced to the movies yet, only briefly mentioned in SM1 and John Jameson obviously has a problem with Peter after MJ blew off their wedding. But it would be laaaaaaammmmmmeeeee, Venom just isnt the same without Eddie Brock. :(
I hope I'm wrong about that, it just seemed that way to me.

[Owmyeye]

Nothing big, but when you run into Mysterio in the SM2 game, he declares "you have no chance to survive, make your time". That's good stuff.

[Sage the Mage]

The game is some good stuff.
My favorite thing is the part where the people rob the armored car and one of the security guys who's tied up says, "If...I...could...only reach my utility belt..."
Classic.

[Graav Wolfsong]

The game is some good stuff.
My favorite thing is the part where the people rob the armored car and one of the security guys who's tied up says, "If...I...could...only reach my utility belt..."
Classic.

:lol: Yeah, that cracked me up. :thumbsup: