Who should get to kill the Lich King/Arthas?

[Havard]

Who has the most right to take down the Lich King/Arthas in the storyline?

[Mojo JOJO]

i think illidan probably will. but i would like to see khadgar finish him off, would be a nice twist if at a moment of triumph khadgar appears and destroys him.

then again it could be argued that both of them are dead.... but i doubt it. :scratch:

[Masamunae]

I'd actually like to see the Forsaken do it. I think it would be poetic justice. And nothing fancy, no huge battle, just an assassins blade in the night. Which is what he desrves

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Ummm.. ME! Surrounded by ILM soldiers :p (That takes care of a few race selections right there!)

[GreenFaun]

The Murlocs. That would surprise EVERYBODY.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Goblins! Arthas stole those land mines!

[Havard]

He stole land mines? Now I really hate 'em :lol:

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Yep, it was from the last mission of the undead campaign - Warcraft 3 retail. He discovered some goblin landmines. THe cartels are pisst cuz he stole their stash.

[lord-of-shadow]

I think it will be Thrall and Jaina. Sounds a bit far off, but... eh. Call it a hunch. or maybe wishful thinking.

Or just plain lunacy.

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

The Forsaken would be the best option, as already stated.

If not them than the Pandaren for no apparent reason whatsoever.

[Spensdawg]

The kangaroos will get him :D

[Hitokiri]

He's gonna trip and fall. The helmet will fall off and Northrend will crumble as Arthas reaches for the helmet.....

Um... yeah.

[Zann the Defender]

It would be a real suprise if Kel'thuzad, Arthas's most trusted advisior, and unquestionably loyal to the Lich King, killed Arthas.

For real now, I believe a human Paladin will kill Arthas. Not just any Paladin, one named Zann the Defender :thumbsup:

[Havard]

Hmm... I like the Kel'Thuzad idea! Arthas was an moronic brat and Kel had to babysit him way too long. None of the Scourge's plans would have succeeded if Kel hadn't held Arthas' hand the whole way. He deserves to knock him off just for that.

[TheCrawlingChaos]

Heh, I'd like to point that this same post could be made for Kerrigan. Who should kill the little Sara- Raynor? Zeratul?

This relates to WoW as noticing that Blizzard likes to keep their villains alive, they make good reasons for new games.
They probably saw how hard it is to make a sequel when the main villain is defeated and the portal is scrumbled - hence, the poor continuity in many points from War2 to War3. However, again, Gul'dan didnt really die, did he? He still got to War3 as the Lich King...

[Havard]

Lol... you mean Ner'Zhul, not Gul'dan. If Gul'dan was the Lich King, he would been up a creek considering Illidan was running around with his skull half the time. :lol:

[Weaselblighter]

I think Thrall, Jaina, Cairne, Sylvannas, and Kael will let their powers combine to form... CAPTAIN AZEROTH!

...Who will then kill Arthas. :jig:

[True Knight]

Zann's the only one with any sense here. Of COURSE the paladins have the most right to kill him. Arthas was one of them, and he betrayed everything they stand for. It's only fitting and right that Arthas fall to power of the Light that he forsook.

Speaking of which, Zann, if you ever do go after him, send me a message first. I'll help you smite him down to hell.

[Booms]

I think Thrall, Jaina, Cairne, Sylvannas, and Kael will let their powers combine to form... CAPTAIN AZEROTH!

...Who will then kill Arthas. :jig:

:lol:

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[Lord Chad]

I think Thrall, Jaina, Cairne, Sylvannas, and Kael will let their powers combine to form... CAPTAIN AZEROTH!

...Who will then kill Arthas. :jig:


You have been watching to much captain planet.Oh well you have the best idea :thumbsup:

[Weaselblighter]

You have been watching to much captain planet.Oh well you have the best idea :thumbsup:

I guess it's a good thing I left off the part where Capt. Azeroth gives a lesson afterwards about recycling and conservation for a cleaner, undefiled Lordaeron, then... ;)


Of COURSE the paladins have the most right to kill him...

The most reason, maybe, but I don't think that'd be a very Paladin-ish thing to do (in the hunting-him-down sense, anyway). Though if he gets up to more mischief (which seems pretty likely, no? ;)), they could have good reason...

[Zann the Defender]

Arthas shall resent the day he forsook the light, and he shall be smitten by the Holy Light for his betrayal. First, kill Kel, then Arthas will fall with n problem. KILL KEL'THUZAD, FOR THE LIGHT!!!

Im not a beta tester. I will be when open beta comes. But I will go after him as a Human Paladin

[adubs745]

Well, I think no matter who does it, it SHOULD NOT BE A PLAYER. God help me, the world, and Blizzard entertainment should they allow the Lich King to be a mob that anyone can kill. It should be a named, legendary hero that eventually kills the Lich King in a glorious cinematic.

But with that aside, honestly the I think the Warcraft II Expansion heroes should do it. They are the one big story loop that is yet unresolved. They just keep waiting to return, and you know that when they do, they will do something huge (cough...killing the Lich King...cough). I mean, the world of Azeroth is in such dissarray and chaos after the events of RoC and TFT so you know they will come back and set things right. Turaylon would make the most sense killing Arthas, just because he's a Paladin and all. But seriously, all of those heroes would make the most sense. And you would think it would be the Alliance who does it, because the Horde doesn't care about the Undead unless the Scourge starts encroaching on their lands.

Honestly, here's what I think will happen. Forsaken rebels against the Horde and its up to Thrall and Cairne to go after Sylvannus and kill her off once and for all. Illidan and Kael have to fight against Kil'Jaeden for a while, but are eventually finished off by the Night Elves. (Think about this, the Night Elves have the most reason to kill Illidan and all them. Illidan is a traitorous Night Elf, Kael'Thas and the Blood Elves are all High Borne magic users and go against everything the Night Elves believe in. And, well, the Naga are really high borne too, so that whole faction is all the Night Elves' problem.)
And, like I said before, the Alliance deals with Arthas because they have the most beef against the Scourge and the Lich King in general. But since they are fresh out of heroes, it will be on the Warcraft II Expansion guys to come back and actually take care of business. Watch...all of this will happen, its the only logical way things could go.

[Havard]

But with that aside, honestly the I think the Warcraft II Expansion heroes should do it. They are the one big story loop that is yet unresolved. They just keep waiting to return, and you know that when they do, they will do something huge (cough...killing the Lich King...cough). I mean, the world of Azeroth is in such dissarray and chaos after the events of RoC and TFT so you know they will come back and set things right. Turaylon would make the most sense killing Arthas, just because he's a Paladin and all.

One small problem with that. They'd be 100 years old if they are still alive.

[TheCrawlingChaos]

Oh my! you are right, of course. I foolishly mistaked Ner'zhul for Gul'dan. Damn those orcish names, all hard to remember and stuff. :P

Lol... you mean Ner'Zhul, not Gul'dan. If Gul'dan was the Lich King, he would been up a creek considering Illidan was running around with his skull half the time.

But my point is that he wont die until warcraft 9 or something. And even if he dies before this, he will come back as a spirit and posses some other guy or something like that.
Only the not-main-villains die... Kel'thuzad may die, but Lich King/Arthras no. At least i think he wont.

[Zann the Defender]

Well, they fused together, and will most likely die in WC4 or 5 if thoe are ever made. Blizzard has a very imaginative mind, and will be able to think of new villains by then. Sargearas's spirit is still alive, is it not, if so, then the burning legion will always exist.

[The Lost Guardian]

I believe its boiling down to an inevitable showdown, and its between 3 people who it would be with.

1. Thrall. This doesn't seem likely at face value, but reading Lord of the Clans shows that Thrall isn't just an orc, but will do what is RIGHT over what is thought of an orc (Setting the boy from the village free in Hellscream's caverns.) Just looking at what Thrall represents being a shaman, it would seem he is almost the exact opposite of Arthas. A showdown with the forces of nature all working through Thrall against the Lich King would be freakin awesome.

2. Sargeras. Although it is thought that the Dark Lord is dead, nothing can be further from the truth. His physical form is locked away in the Tomb Of Sargeras and his ethereal form was released from Medivh's body once his head was severed and the explosion of energy came from his neck. When Medivh came back, he was free of the demon's taint, and you better believe if Medivh can come back so easily, and does so without Sargeras with him, Sargeras is out there somewhere scheming. He would be most unpleased with Arthas, and it would be awesome to see them face off.

3. While writing number 2, I realized a third candidate. Medivh. It seems that the last guardian may have to return to defend the people of Azeroth as the Lich King's powers are formidable, and on top of that I'd love to see him return to kick some ***.

[Zann the Defender]

Wait, your forgetting a key person or two.

Malfurion
Prince Kael
Illidan (if he is still alive, dont forget, Kil'jaeden brought back Ner'Zhul, and Illidan is still bound to Kil'jaeden)
Tyrande
Sylvannus
Jaina

to name a few

[Zann the Defender]

Dont forget about the Humans, they may be cirppled from the Undead, but they are still there!

[Havard]

Jaina would be a great assassin (not that it fits her persona.)

"Hey baby, I still love you even though you're pseudo-undead. And I don't mind that you are possessed by the spirit of an orc warlock. Here, have a sip of this water. Holy? Nah, the cross on the bottle is just a brand label. It goes great with garlic stew, by the way. Hope you don't mind the silver utensils."

[Zann the Defender]

Well, The Lich King would be willing to kill her, and Arthas would not. Basically a feud for the body, and POW Jaina knocks him flat dead. :lol:

But that could never happen.

Most likely Kil'Jaedewn will ressurect Illidan as a new demon, and have him try to slaughter Arthas, who is now super powered by the Lich King.

Two forces...

One Illidan
One Arthas

Who will prevail?

[Zann the Defender]

My vote is on.. err... umm.. Muradin Bronzebeard

[zyrenthelichlord]

who will I think kill lord arthas? a raid of 24 lvl 60 people.

[Booms]

I want Sylvanus to be the one to kill Arthas, although it would be cool if Kel'Thuzad killed him.

But if Blizzard built up Sylvanus as a character it would be awesome if she and Arthas fought to the death (and she killed him).

[Antonidas]

I think Jania because she doesnt have a boyfriend anymore 1.Kael'thas only cares about vengence and never has engough time for Jania's sexual needs 2.Arthas went all evil and left her because he was all vengence like and his penis fell off the first day he became undead, so they cant have HOT INTERRACIAL SEX! So I think Jania should kill Arthas and Kael.


p.s. i know im a preverted freak :lol:

[Garibaldi]

Well I would have to go with the forsaken as well. Sylvanas has to get her revenge for what he did to her!!! She seems like the best pick to do the job.

[Zann the Defender]

A good bet is Sylvannus, but what about the humans? It is only fit he is killed by what he left. The Paladins need to kill him :thumbsup:

[Galron Kincaid]

The Blood Elves.

Humans still thrive, after the decimation of Lordaeron.

The HE, though, were completely annihilated: both culturally and......phisically.

Arthas has erased their past and altered their way of living forever: they are those who mostly deserve revenge.

(man i can see an alliance with Sylvanas soooo much).

[psychicpuff]

I think it'll be with Sylvanas Windrunner.

There have been notable instances in WCIII where their own kind destroys them (Arthas destroying Lordaeron, the Lich King destroying the very Legion that reanimated and empowered him) and since Sylvanas was reanimated through the power of Arthas/Lich King, it might be possible that Sylvanas manages to destroy the one that raised her back from the dead.

[Diskordjah]

meh, its so obvious. the King get sup from his Frozen Throne, slips on the icy stairs leading up to it, and breaks his neck.

[Antonidas]

that would be funny :lol:

[Ceredwynn]

The Humans and the Bloodelves should kill him. He obliterated the humans on Northrend and Lorderon along with the Highelves and their city, Quel'Thalas.
He broke down the counsel for the Paladins and Mages.
(Resulting in the corupution with the new order of Mages and Paladins)
Forced the Highelves to recreate their civilization.
(Resulting in them becoming Bloodelves)
Anyways I think that Humans and/or Bloodelves should have their revenge.

[True Knight]

The most reason, maybe, but I don't think that'd be a very Paladin-ish thing to do (in the hunting-him-down sense, anyway). Though if he gets up to more mischief (which seems pretty likely, no? ;)), they could have good reason...

Not Paladin-ish unless he does more mischief? Sorry, I don't see that at all. The two beings fused into the Lich King now have already:

--Betrayed and killed Lordaeron's king
--Started the plague which turned half of Lordaeron into undead
--Killed Uther and almost completely detroyed the Knights of the Silver Hand
--Ravaged countless human villages
--Probably killed penguins in Northrend just for fun

I think he's committed plenty of mischief already. The paladins not only can and should hunt him down, they're probably trying to develop a plan to do so.

[Havard]

Don't forget about those stolen Goblin land mines!

[Altered]

There has to been a demonic invasion were we all bind together to kick the crap outa demons :thumbsup: :clap: :buddies:

Or we kill ARTHAS :flip:

[Tyran_Harasvelg]

I'd think ethier Humans or burning leigon.

[Mecahawk]

No one should kill Arthas. That's awful cruel of you all to even think of such a dastardly deed. If he goes down, your taking me with him! :mad:

[Zann the Defender]

Wait a minute... Blizzard is not as obvious as you think. In the warcraft 3 scenario, the Lich King foresaw Kel'thuzad dying, then Kel'Thuzad turning into a Skeletal Lich. Is it possible he foresaw Sylvannus betraying him? What if he knew everything Sylvannus will do?

[Psyco]

Hope the human dont take him down it would be really stupid,the human are a stupid race in warcraft they never allie themself to destroy whats really important to destoy.The only cool human is Jaina(this is how you write Jaina)but the human now are still stupid moron fighting for nothing(well maybe we will learn how come they are fighting the horde)and btw human are to cripple to fight a big war they got owned by everyone...like everytime :lol: ....and there is a quest where you discover that the king is just an imposter and there is deathwing too.....so i dont think human could take him down or anything down :lol: ....but still Arthas(btw i think Arthas is one of the coolest character ever created by blizzard) can't be kill whit only one hero it would be stupid they said that he was the strongest thing that ever walked this world now that he is merged whit the lich king.So if they kill him(hope not :worship: )then well he should be kill whit all the remaining hero combined like Thrall,Jaina,ect.. or would be cool if this was an event that all could allie themself and kill him...the zone could be laggy but who care :-p

[Mecahawk]

What if the Lich King foresaw everything Sylvannis would do-Zann the Defender
That's what I was thinking too. I hope that Blizzard keeps Arthas just as a constant threat, because after the Legion, Illidan, and then Arthas, who do you have as a villian? Obviously they can make a new one, but I think Arthas would be good to have as a constant threat.

[Zann the Defender]

Arthas should be taken by the humans. They were an awsome race that had Paladins. Arthas may have killed off almost everything, but they still show they are strong enough to fight, crippled or not

It would be most fitting if a Paladin killed him

[adubs745]

One small problem with that. They'd be 100 years old if they are still alive.


Actually...they wouldn't at all. Even assuming those characters were 50 (and they clearly were younger, but I'm just picking a number here) at the end of the Warcraft II Expansion...we have fifteen years from the end of Beyond the Dark Portal to the beginning of Warcraft III. Warcraft III was about six months of time, plus another six months in between ROC and TFT. TFT was probably another six months or so, and then four more years pass and WOW comes. So...even if they were fifty years old, they would only be 70-1/2. Not 100 :) Plus, Alleria and Kurdran are an elf and dwarf respectively, so they have exceptionally long lives anyway.

[Malibu, CA]

you forgot one person... GEORGE BUSH

[True Knight]

you forgot one person... GEORGE BUSH

U.S. DECLARES WAR ON NORTHREND
Bush cites threat of WMDs; calls Lich King "friend of terror"
See Icy Weapons Cache, p. 6

[Viperx11]

U.S. DECLARES WAR ON NORTHREND
Bush cites threat of WMDs; calls Lich King "friend of terror"
See Icy Weapons Cache, p. 6

Classic, just classic!

I think Illidan should kill the Lich King. But that's just what I think. It'd be very fitting for the Forsaken to kill him, too.

I wouldn't bother talking about it now, you probably won't see the Lich King die- or any huge plot advancements for that matter- until Warcraft IV.

[SirMoogie]

I absolutely don't want the Lich King to be killed by an number of players unless it is a world event with a lot of notice. Too many people would want to participate in this that it would be ruined if any person could go kill him whenever they want to. I think the same applies to any of the major characters. Blizzard should determine when they want their characters to die.

[Viperx11]

Which is why I am certain most plot advancements will take place in the next Warcraft installment rather than WoW.

[Havard]

Actually...they wouldn't at all. Even assuming those characters were 50 (and they clearly were younger, but I'm just picking a number here) at the end of the Warcraft II Expansion...we have fifteen years from the end of Beyond the Dark Portal to the beginning of Warcraft III. Warcraft III was about six months of time, plus another six months in between ROC and TFT. TFT was probably another six months or so, and then four more years pass and WOW comes. So...even if they were fifty years old, they would only be 70-1/2. Not 100 :) Plus, Alleria and Kurdran are an elf and dwarf respectively, so they have exceptionally long lives anyway.

Ok, I exaggerated. :lol: The only one who'd be a little rusty is General Turalyon, because Khadgar is a wizard and everyone knows wizards get more powerful with age.

[adubs745]

Hehe, and Danath for that matter...
They'd definitely be late forties even 50's...so yes they'd be a bit rusty...maybe they could drive very slowly up to Northrend and then bore Arthas to death with old-timer stories.

[True Knight]

Hehe, and Danath for that matter...
They'd definitely be late forties even 50's...so yes they'd be a bit rusty...maybe they could drive very slowly up to Northrend and then bore Arthas to death with old-timer stories.

But on the other hand, they were supposedly lost in the Twisting Nether, right? Maybe time passes differently in the Twisting Nether, so that when they do make it back to Lordaeron, it's as if they haven' aged at all. that would be a convenient and not too implausible way of bringing them all back still ready for action.

[Nojin]

I'd like to see all of the races ally against him in a HUGE world event (on each server of course).

But from the poll choices, I would have to say the best story would be Blood Elves killing him. My second pick would be Forsaken.

[Zann the Defender]

Humans need to kill him!

Paladin vs. Death Knight

Light vs. Dark

These two powers will fight for the right to exist
The forum will over flow with posts
One Hammer, One sword....
One dark One Light


Oh and for those who believe khadgar and friends are all still alive wandering the Twisting Nether, Ner'Zhul did that, and guess who he met. Kil'jaeden. Guess who met Khadgar and friends if they got into the twisting nether?

Illidan is not dead, and even if he was, he still had a pact with Kil'Jaeden, and he would revive Illidan some how.

And some of Dreanor survived, maybe Khadgar and Friends are still wagiong war on the clans that were left behind?

[adubs745]

Humans need to kill him!

Paladin vs. Death Knight

Light vs. Dark

These two powers will fight for the right to exist
The forum will over flow with posts
One Hammer, One sword....
One dark One Light


Oh and for those who believe khadgar and friends are all still alive wandering the Twisting Nether, Ner'Zhul did that, and guess who he met. Kil'jaeden. Guess who met Khadgar and friends if they got into the twisting nether?

Illidan is not dead, and even if he was, he still had a pact with Kil'Jaeden, and he would revive Illidan some how.

And some of Dreanor survived, maybe Khadgar and Friends are still wagiong war on the clans that were left behind?


1) First of all, yes, Ner'Zhul met Kil'Jaeden in the Nether. But also realize that Ner'Zhul had already made a pact with the demon long before he even entered the Nether, which could have made it much easier for Kil'Jaeden to sense his presence and capture him. Thus, it's not a given that Kil'Jaeden ran into Khadgar et al. Plus, Khadgar was an archmage of incredible power, so I'm sure he could have used some sort of protective shield spell to block their detection and allow them to hide out or whatever.

2) Yes, Kil'Jaeden and Illidan had a pact - that pact being that Illidan would kill the Lich King. Keep in mind, Illidan already failed to do that with the eye of Sargeras, and Kil'Jaeden appeared. Yet for some reason, the demon spared Illidan and gave him another shot. Illidan failed again. Thus if Illidan did die, there's absolutely no way Kil'Jaeden would revive him, trust me, the demon wants him dead (he failed him TWICE for god's sake). They are not allies, Kil'Jaeden is using Illidan and Illidan is going on for the ride because, well, who is he to challenge Kil'Jaeden (Lord of the Burning Legion) all by himself.

3) This is very possible. Only thing is that I think it says in the Warcraft III manual that they definitely leapt into one of the swirling portals so as to escape the explosion. So...althought Blizzard changes their lore around often, so far the official story is that they are in the Nether.

[Zann the Defender]

Hmm well, I thought maybe Illidan could be granted another chance. O well, remember that he actually hurt some of northrend and almost was a match for arthas. If Illidan could be powered up, he could take out Arthas.

I also have a question, when Kel Thuzad (necromancer) died, then was brought back as a Lich, he said the Lich King knew he would die and be brought back. Could he have forseen the chance to steal Arthas's body if he let his powers fade a little? Does he know how to kill Sylvannus if that is so?

[MartyrSeraph]

Hasn't anyone seen Return of the Jedi?

Arthas wasn't actually "evil" until the voice of Ner'zhul corrupted him. He's probably going to face some sort of emotional reunion (Jaina comes to kill or save him) and then destroy himself to be free of the "corruption of the Lich King".

It'll be Darth Vader defeating his dark side all over again.

[DeVries]

Hasn't anyone seen Return of the Jedi?

Arthas wasn't actually "evil" until the voice of Ner'zhul corrupted him. He's probably going to face some sort of emotional reunion (Jaina comes to kill or save him) and then destroy himself to be free of the "corruption of the Lich King".

It'll be Darth Vader defeating his dark side all over again.

Darth Vader wasn't possessed by an evil spirit, though. If Vader were possessed by, say, Exar Kun, I doubt Luke would have survived that encounter on the Death Star II. :cheesy:

[Booms]

Slyvanas is the sooo cool though!

See, Jaina winds up in charge of a huge army, and she leads them into Northrend to kill Arthas/Lich King. Sylvanas follows them from the shadows with her small band of assassins. Of course, at some point Sylvanas will notice that Kel'Thuzad has been trailing her, so they fight and she kills him. Then there is a big battle between the Scourge and the Humans, and during the fighting both Jaina and Sylvanas make their way into the Lich King's throne room. Sylvanas hides in the shadows as Jaina and Arthas talk ("I loved you Arthas!") and fight. Jaina dies and then Sylvanas kills Arthas.

The End.

You can subsitute any faction in for the humans and just put their leader (Kael, for example) as a replacement for Jaina, but I think Jaina adds the most drama to the encounter.

[Antonidas]

Noooo!! Jania Must Conquer All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zann the Defender]

MartyrSeraph check your Private messages plz!

[Zann the Defender]

I still say a Paladin should Finish him off.

[Vanguard]

Paladins are weak. Uther died to a bunch of ghouls and wagons and he was their best Paladin. There just isnt anyone powerful enough to defeat arthas 1 on 1, as he is both an excellent fighter as a death knight and powerful caster as Ner'Zul is also in him now. They need everybody... send them all in 1 on 1 to weaken him until he eventual falls. But odds are good the paladin would be the first to die, as thats what they do best.

[Furyon_Holyfist_]

The Paladins died so much simply because Arthas fears them. They were the first he killed after turning undead by outnumbering them 10 to 1. They are the true anti-Undead tanks. If someone was to kill Arthas 1on1, it would have to be a Paladin.

[Zann the Defender]

Paladins are weak. Uther died to a bunch of ghouls and wagons and he was their best Paladin. There just isnt anyone powerful enough to defeat arthas 1 on 1, as he is both an excellent fighter as a death knight and powerful caster as Ner'Zul is also in him now. They need everybody... send them all in 1 on 1 to weaken him until he eventual falls. But odds are good the paladin would be the first to die, as thats what they do best.

How stupid! Uther died one on one with arthas. Hell, I lost in the undead campaign several times to him. They are the ones who are good against undead, they pwn them. As said, Arthas killed them first because he feared them. They had priority. Now, why would Arthas kill somthing so weak first of all?

Human/dwarf Paladins pwn undead. I mean, they only have Specialized anti-undead spells for nothing.

[Rio-of-the-Horde]

We all know it will be a gnome/troll interace guy with magical powers that will pwn him.Thats just blizzard.Or maybe a yamato blast will.

[Zann the Defender]

A Paladin will fight him.

Or he slips and falls of the frozen throne for a 50 foot drop :lol:

[Altered]

Or Arthas and the Lich King get a divorce lol and then Arthas slips the helmet flys into the ice and he dies EVERYONES HAPPY except people who like him but who cares then we all party :buddies: :drink:

[lord-of-shadow]

Zann, do you have [i]any[i/] idea how much you've repeated yourself in this thread? ;)

You've posted here 16 times, and every single time, you mentioned how Paladins will kill him. We get the point. :P


I anticipate something incredibly mindblowing, and that's about the only prediction I really care to make about the end of the Lich King.

Every single major faction - Durotar, Lordaeron, Azeroth, Blood Elves, remains of the High Elves, Forsaken, Draenei, Naga, Dwarves, Paladins, Burning Legion - EVERYONE has a good reason to hate/fear/want to kill him, with the exception of the Gnomes and Night Elves. And I bet Blizzard could come up with a good reason for the Night Elves ot hate him, heh.

Blizzard won't allow one single race or faction to have the glory of killing him.

Look at what he's done...

As Ner'zhul:

Greatest of the Orc Shamans on Draenor. Was the teacher of Gul'dan. Played an integral role in the corruption of the Orcs and the oppression of the Draenei.

Is directly responsible for the near total destruction of Draenor, for a lot of strife in Azeroth, and for drawing the five heroes of the Warcraft 2 expansion into his world.

Became the Lich King, the drive behind the scourge, which destroyed Lordaeron and Quel'thalas, and therefore indirectly creating the Blood Elves and the Forsaken.

Used his forces to summon Archimonde and the Burning Legion, which then went on to do all their lovely stuff.

Not to mention the entire Frozen Throne expansion revolves around him.

As Arthas:
Is the Prince of Lordaeron, an infuential event in of itself.

slaughters a bunch fo innocents to prevent them from becoming undead.

Kills Muradin Bronzebeard, the brother of the King of the Dwarves.

Kills King Terenas, the man who orchestrated the Alliance and led it during the second war.

Kills Uther Lightbringer, the greatest of the Paladins and the cofounder (along with Alonsus Faol) of the Knights of the Silver hand.

Leads the Scourge into Quel-thalas, destroying it and the High Elf culture in the process.

Raises Sylvanas from the dead.

Raises Kel'thuzad from the head.

Attacks Dalaran, breaks the power of the Kirin Tor, and kills Antonidas.

Protects Kel'thuzad as he opens the portal for Archimonde, indirectly destroying Dalaran and creating most of the problems in later half of Warcraft 3.

Tells Illidan about the Skull of Gul'dan, resulting in the final corruption of the Illidan.

Returns to Lordaeron, declares himself King, kills a bunch of paladins and peasants, along with a few Dreadlords.

Clashes with Sylvanas.

Ends up in Northrend, befriends the Crypt fiends and the undead Nerubians, like Anub-Arak.

Defeats Illidan, the Naga, and the Blood Elves.

Merges with Ner'zhul.

Every single thing there is a cause for people to hate him, heh.

[Zann the Defender]

Good points. Still, a Paladin should kill him.

You have to admit it would be funny if while getting up from the frozen throne, he slips and falls 50 feet to his death.

[Zann the Defender]

-Betrayed the light
-Killed Uther, Faol, and the rest of the Knights
-Killed many peasents and guards
-Ressurected the one who almost completely made the scourge, Kel'Thuzad
-Kills his own father and declares himself king
-Kills the Kirin Tor, and Antonidas
-Slaughtered many Unsuspecting people of different races.
-Merges with the Paladins most hated enemy, The Lich King
-Killed Muradin Bronzebeard
-Slaughters many so they dont become undead
-Protects Kel'Thuzad which summons the Burning Legion

[lord-of-shadow]

But all of those reasons could apply to others, too. Most of those reasons would support others killing him even more then they would support the Paladins.

And Arthas didn't kill Faol.

[Zann the Defender]

I mistook him for antonidas and forgot to change it. :lol:

[Viperx11]

So what do you guys think, we'll see all this in Warcraft 4 or do you think WoW?

[DeVries]

I think we may see Arthas' death in WoW. I would rather have an event where players attempt to kill/defend him, where he can die permanently, than see him as just another named Boss mob that respawns weekly. I think that he will be laying low for awhile (read: Blizzard won't put him in for awhile) since if he started making too much trouble, it would lead to another Horde/Alliance..er.. alliance for lack of a better word.. that would beat him down.

It would be nice if such an event would have two very different outcomes with significant effects on the game world. It's always fun to fight for your preferred interpretation of the world! :drink:

[Gorandius]

If this hasn't already been stated......I'd personally like to see him pushed off the top of the Frozen Throne by whomever and hit every rock and icicle sticking out on the way down and plunge into the stinging and piercingly cold water and get eaten by some Nagas.

EDIT: Nevermind, I saw that someone posted something similar.......by the way, I also voted humans because the Paladins need uber revenge on Arthas.

[Semidi]

I'm going to kill him. Then I'm going to get frostmourn and that cool helmet. I shall pick 10 of you mortals to be my new death knights. Sign up now before it's to late!
(no gnomes or panderen and death knight xp prefered)
The rest of you will know true terror, and shall bow before my power. :rant: :jig:

/dream off

[Viperx11]

If this hasn't already been stated......I'd personally like to see him pushed off the top of the Frozen Throne by whomever and hit every rock and icicle sticking out on the way down and plunge into the stinging and piercingly cold water and get eaten by some Nagas.

Twould be a cool cinematic, him falling downwards into a big mist...fading, and disappearing. Yes, that would be cool.

Then I'm going to get frostmourn and that cool helmet.

Helmet of Sauron +100? ;)

[lord-of-shadow]

Ah, Viper, so nice to see you ;)

I do not believe we will see his death until Warcraft 4, at the very least. Look at my post up there, with the list... This is the most influential and devastating enemy that the Warcraft series has ever seen, except, perhaps, Sargeras himself.

Nobody else has managed to do so much damage, or be so cool, heh.

For a character that they have built up this much, an MMORPG is illsuited to killing him off.

Allow me to quote myself, from another thread. (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=207047)

I don't want to see Arthas. After all, he was sitting on the Frozen Throne last we saw him, and we are unsure of exactly what happened when he claimed the Frozen Throne. To have him in WoW...

Well. As I see it, he's the most important antagonist left in the Warcraft universe, even moreso then Kil'Jaeden. And, as I've said before, MMORPGs, games which essentially concentrate on individual questing, are not suitable for epic stories or events.

Arthas' mere presence at this point would be an epic story or event, and WoW wouldn't be able to do it justice. I don't want him in the game, I want him to continue brooding on his Frozen Throne or whatever it is he's doing up there.


The problem with that is, the whole Arthas/Kil'Jaeden/Kael'thas/Sylvanas thing is a very obvious set-up for an amazing story in Warcraft 4. And I don't believe any MMORPG, not even WoW, no matter how hard they try, could do it justice.

Arthas/Ner'Zhul is some amazing super power with huge armies at his beck and call, they can't properly portray or have you fight huge armies and powers in an MMORPG.

In an MMORPG, you veiw the world through the eyes of your character, through the down-to-earth things like small sidequests helping innkeepers or clearing out mines filled with goblins, or destroying small organizations like the Defias Brotherhood.

That veiw, that sort of gameplay, heck, even the WoW graphics engine, are incapable of properly protraying grand armies, battles, and conflicts.

And to kill Arthas off with anything less then a huge, huge campaign and all-encompassing story would be horribly underwhelming and dissapointing, after the huge setup, backstory and importance Blizzard has given him. It'd be even worse if it could be done by some unimportant MMORPG player character, with a name like l33thaxorchikfuxor, and who certainly won't be playing any role in any future Warcraft games.

No... Arthas is already clearly set up to be one of the focal points of Warcraft 4, some time in the distant future.

I don't mean to insult MMORPGs in general or WoW in particular... It has it's own strengths, and will be a totally amazing game. This is just an area where it isn't suitable.

If Blizzard could prove me wrong, I would be happy. Unfortunately, the very structure of an MMORPG makes proving me wrong here nearly impossible, since it is that structure that is the problem in the first place.


If, as Wiglyworm did a wonderful job of describing, Blizzard were to mobilize entire NPC nations, armies, and the Warcraft story to wage huge wars that change the face of the WoW world permanently... then yes. Yes, that would be epic, even moreso then what I have invisioned in a future RTS game.

The problem is, I don't think Blizzard will do that... why? Well, what if old Warcraft storyline fanatics such as myself were to miss... say, the death of Arthas, the most built-up enemy in the Warcraft story (with the possible exception of Sargeras...)? I know I would be extremely angry, more angry then I've ever been.

If Blizzard were to make permanent story campaigns like that, that actually effect the world on a permanent basis, then people who miss it would be angry.

Blizzard could set these up as reoccuring events, or maybe even respawning quests or something... but if they were to do that, that would eleminate the whole epic quality of it, if, say, Arthas were to just respawn a few days later so that orgimd00|\/|h4mxor666 were to kill him instead of bobthepimpmage.

Arthas really HAS had mroe build-up then anythign in Warcraft history, too. Ner'zhul was the main enemy of the humans in Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal. In Reign of Chaos, Arthas and his soul being stolen by the LIch King was the main focus of the first campaign, and Arthas was the evil undead hero in the second. He shows up and taunts Illidan in the Night Elf Campaign, giving him the idea to get the Skull of Gul'dan.

Ner'zhul, Arthas, and the Frozen Throne were essentially the nucleus of the whole story for the Warcraft 3 expansion as well. Then the two merged in on of the most spectacular cutscenes in the gaming world in general.

Over the course of the series, Ner'zhul is responsible for teaching Gul'dan, for destroying Draenor, for creating the Scourge. Then, when Arthas enters the scene, Lordaeron is destroyed, the Burning Legion and Archimonde summoned into the world, the World Tree and the world itself nearly destroyed. They cause Illidan's transformation and subsequent banishment, then... the two finally merge at the end of Froth.

Way, way to much build-up to waste the character on anything less then a full RTS game, with full voice acting for everyone involved (including the characters that kill him...), cinemas, gigantic armies, and big long campaigns building up to the final confrontation, whatever they may end up being.

The character of Arthas' enemies and killer is as important here as Arthas himself, and MMORPG PCs... have no character. No voice acting. Nothing to make them worthy of killing him.



...Yeah.

[Zann the Defender]

I have looked into this matter...

And now I realize it is the damned Night Elves fault for all the things that happened :rant:

They wouldnt just stand by and let the legion take over like good people!

They are inderect reasons for all that has plagued Azeroth and should be killed!!!!!!

jk. :lol:

Another vote for Paladins I saw. Go paladins!

[adubs745]

Honestly, now I just want it to be somebody other than a Paladin, just because of your insane obsession with them. I'll re-iterate what Lord of Shadow said, since you must have missed it....WE GET THE POINT ALREADY.

Now that that's out of the way, I think Lord of Shadow is bringing up a lot of great points here and would have to agree. Of course, waiting until Warcraft IV just to see the conclusion of this is going to be aggravating (even with WOW), but I'm still adamantly opposed to having any player being able to kill Arthas, I think that's ********. They've got to end him in an epic cinematic with plenty of backstory to boot.

This is why I think it's still going to be the heroes of Warcraft II who do it. While they don't represent the Horde at all, they do represent all the races of the Alliance and everyone who would have a serious problem with Arthas. Also...think about this: Perhaps Medivh in his transplanar existence goes and finds the heroes and then leads them back into Azeroth to finish off Arthas once and for all. Danath represents the humans of the Alliance (revenge for the Undead invasion), Kurdran represents the dwarves and Khaz Modan (revenge for Muradin), Alleria represents the High Elves, at least the good ones that haven't turned Blood yet (Revenge for Quel'Thalas), Turalyon represents the Silver Hand (revenge for Silver Hand/Uther), and Khadgar represents Dalaran and the Kirin Tor (revenge for, well, Dalaran and the Kirin Tor).

Now think about all this *this might get long but hear me out*
Khadgar was once Medivh's apprentice. So it would be very likely that Medivh realizes his job as the last guardian is not done and the Lich King is too huge of a threat. He goes off in search of his apprentice Khadgar, finds him and the lost heroes and brings them all back. That is totally plausible IMO. Then you've got Medivh going up against Arthas alongside them, which would be such an awesome battle it's hard to even put it in words. AND - the whole purpose of these lost heroes in Warcraft II was to fight against Ner'Zhul. Wouldn't it just be good storytelling for these heroes to return (filling in a big plothole) and kill Ner'Zhul, their ancient enemy (completing a big circle that is the Warcraft Storyline)?

Now, like I said before, if Blizzard puts this in WOW, they better not allow players to actually take part and kill the Lich King Mob, that would just suck. But - I think what they could do is make a huge announcement (perhaps in an expansion or something) that details the return of the lost heroes. These heroes could then show up in their respective homelands and become a part of the Life-Quests of the different player-races. Like, if you're a mage, you have to complete a whole set of quests that lead you to where Khadgar is hanging out, and then complete a plethora of quests under the great Khadgar which would detail his gathering of magical artifacts and lost tomes in preparation for his showdown and journey to Northrend (or something, I'm just throwing this out, hopefully it would be better than that).
So what I'm saying is that they all come back and players help them out in a bunch of quests. That way players still have a big impact and participate in the eventual killing of Arthas without actually killing him. And then everyone gets the enjoyment of watching the cinematic showdown which they have worked hard to see.

Now, of course, this would alienate the Horde quite a bit...so I'm not sure what would go on there. Perhaps, if Medivh is involved, he comes and recruits Thrall/Cairne/Vol'Jin (or even cooler...a returned Zul'Jin) and whatnot so the Horde players have something to do too. Who knows

[Zann the Defender]

I am sorry you think I have repeated myself to much...

And with that I say...

PALADIN SHOULD KILL HIM! :surprise:

[RobinofLocksley]

Well, just like many other people have said here, Arthas/Lich King won't die. They are now the main evil in the Warcraft world, and they won't get killed so easily, so you can argue all you like, they won't die anyway, no way Blizzard is ****ing their own storyline up.

[ArPharazon]

I can't believe how you all didn't see this... the solution lies right before your faces. The two main enemies of the Scourge are the Forsaken and the Burning Legion, seeing as how the Scourge has always triumphed over all the other factions. There is one single link between these two factions. His name is... Varimathras.

Sylvanas, after taking Lordaeron as her own, by defeating the last of Men and Dwarves in this region, and crushing Kel'Thuzad beneath her high heels (to which I shall personally see in WoW), will launch a full scale invasion into Northrend. She will continue to succeed in the invasion, as Kil'jaeden uses his forces and dreadlords to cause catastrophes withing the Scourge, and also contacts Varimathras to fulfill his grand designs.

At the Frozen Throne itself, Arthas/Lich King will face off against Sylvanas, in a bloodthirsty duel. After a battle taking hours, Varimathras will come up behind both exhausted archenemies, and slay both in the name of the Burning Legion. In the final moments of Warcraft 4 he will take over the Scourge together with the other Dreadlords, will summon Kil'jaeden and launch a renewed invasion by the Legion, turning Northrend from a continent of frost, ice and death into a continent of heat, fire, and even more death.

BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE BURNING LEGION!!!!

Well, either that or the Titans will finally show up themselves. :surprise:

[RobinofLocksley]

A battle between Arthas and Sylvanas won't take hours, trust me, it will only take a few seconds for Arthas to kill sylvanas..

[ArPharazon]

A battle between Arthas and Sylvanas won't take hours, trust me, it will only take a few seconds for Arthas to kill sylvanas..

Oh really... and how strong were Arthas and Sylvanas when they met in the forest, and Sylvanas paralyzed him with a single arrow, killing him single-handedly if it wasn't for the rescue by Kel'Thuzad? I do recall that Arthas was a lot higher-leveled than Sylvanas. Not to mention the Burning Legion's succesful attempts to temporarily boost Sylvanas' power during the duel, extending the battle to exhaust them both, making them easy targets.

Or perhaps, should you be right anyway, in those few seconds where Arthas is killing Sylvanas, Varimathras still stabs the Lich King in the back. Or in the neck. Or where-ever that tiny weak spot may be in his armor.

[RobinofLocksley]

Well, if some1 is paralyzed, it won't be very hard to kill him, isn't it?? If Sylvanas was paralyzed, she could be killed by anyone aswell. When they met, Arthas was just a lot stronger, and now that he has merged with the Lick King, it will be no problem to kill her..

[Hitokiri]

Illidan should kill him or at least fight again. I think it would be funny if Arthas was in WoW....
Imagine.. You and your friends are high level and go to Northrend to kill Arthas. Little did you know that Arthas was so uber powerful. So you get there and see Arthas. Everyone is ready to fight. Arthas gets up and says " It was foolish of you to come hahahahaha..."
BAM!! He appears right in front of you and stabs you. He does some crazy stuff with explosions everywhere.... and then......
YOU DIE! (a horrible death but you can say that you got your @$$ kicked by Arthas.)

[ArPharazon]

Well, and once again the answer presents itself. Sylvanas may be too weak for Arthas/Lich King, but Illidan, who has been given another chance by Kil'jaeden, has been sent to Northrend at that very point to aid Sylvanas in the battle. With Illidan and Sylvanas against Arthas, the battle may yet take a little longer than those few seconds, allowing Varimathras to slay both Arthas and Sylvanas, and because Illidan is under the command of Kil'jaeden, Varimathras can still summon the Burning Legion etc.

In Warcraft 5, the story centers around Illidan, who now regrets what he has done, having allowed the new invasion by Kil'jaeden, and Illidan will do what he can to protect his homeland, his brother, and the woman he has always loved, from the wrath of the Burning Legion.

Warcraft 5: Blades of Vengeance
Release date: November 2011

[Semidi]

Does star craft 2 show up some where? hopefully a fprpg sorta like deus ex? Ya, sorta OT...

I really hope Blizzard does something new besides war5 or 6... I'll be 50 when they come out with warcraft xx- Gnomes in Space...

Were gnomes were gnomes in space!
Protectecting the Gnomish race!
I forgot the rest of the song. :flip:

[lord-of-shadow]

2011? You're far to optimistc, ArPharazon ;)

ArPharazon... I've heard the name somewhere. Was he one of the Kings of Numenor?

[Havard]

Well, and once again the answer presents itself. Sylvanas may be too weak for Arthas/Lich King, but Illidan, who has been given another chance by Kil'jaeden, has been sent to Northrend at that very point to aid Sylvanas in the battle.

One thing we can reasonably be sure of in Warcraft, if Blizzard wants to soup up some hero they will. Illidan got the skull of Gul'dan and they Eye of Sargeras. Arthas got Frostmourne and melded with the Lich King. So for all we know, some Gnomish hero might find the mythical Crown of Knicknack and turn into an uber-hero who kills Arthas.

It could happen. :uhhuh:

[ArPharazon]

2011? You're far to optimistc, ArPharazon ;)

ArPharazon... I've heard the name somewhere. Was he one of the Kings of Numenor?

Optimistic? Why? I've already laid out the story for them. And isn't that the hardest part to do? :uhhuh:

And yes, he was one of the Kings of Numenor. In fact, he was the last. I'm surprised at your knowledge, not many people seem to recognize the name. He wasn't even mentioned in the Lotr movies, I think. But anyway, I'm part of a Tolkien/gaming Guild, and therefore I have adopted his name, to use, among other situations, in my dealings with the *cough*ordinary people*cough* I meet in the forums :lol:

One thing we can reasonably be sure of in Warcraft, if Blizzard wants to soup up some hero they will. Illidan got the skull of Gul'dan and they Eye of Sargeras. Arthas got Frostmourne and melded with the Lich King. So for all we know, some Gnomish hero might find the mythical Crown of Knicknack and turn into an uber-hero who kills Arthas.

But, knowing Blizzard, even the Gnome will become corrupted by his power, and thus we have a new force of evil rising... all hail the Gnomish Empire :winner:

Edit: Illidan does not have the Eye of Sargeras anymore. It was destroyed when his first attack on the Frozen Throne was interrupted. He does, however, have the Eye of Kil'jaeden in his inventory. Which, if I recall, was not that bad an item either...

[Viperx11]

Lord of Shadow, I agree 100%. The Lich King, Arthas, the Frozen Throne, and major plot advancements should be kept until Warcraft IV.

Not sure when we'll see a Warcraft IV, though. I do know, however, that we WILL see one.

[DeVries]

And yes, he was one of the Kings of Numenor. In fact, he was the last. I'm surprised at your knowledge, not many people seem to recognize the name. He wasn't even mentioned in the Lotr movies, I think. But anyway, I'm part of a Tolkien/gaming Guild, and therefore I have adopted his name, to use, among other situations, in my dealings with the *cough*ordinary people*cough* I meet in the forums :lol:


Why would you pick THAT king though? He married his sister, allowed himself to be manipulated by Sauron, and tried to invade Valinor. He's one of the worst examples of Men in the history of Arda, heh. Not only did he land on Valinor, but he got the PERSONAL attention of Eru Iluvatar, not even Melkor and Sauron could manage that. :grrr:

[Zann the Defender]

A real suprise would be Kel'Thuzad.

Ner'Zhul would never expect Kel'Thuzad. He almost single handedly made the scourge, and was unquestionably loyal.

[Viperx11]

Did you forget that Kel'Thuzad has no MOTIVE? ;)

[lord-of-shadow]

Yes... a fourth Warcraft is inevitable. Thank god.

Not only did he land on Valinor, but he got the PERSONAL attention of Eru Iluvatar, not even Melkor and Sauron could manage that. :grrr:

Manwë and the Valar never specifically sought Eru's help with Melkor or the other dissident Ainur, though ;)

Unless my memory of the Silmarillion grows a bit fuzzy. I wouldn't be surprised, heh.

[Viperx11]

Jesus, don't start talking about LOTR now.

[Semidi]

Manwë and the Valar never specifically sought Eru's help with Melkor or the other dissident Ainur, though

Ya I like making up words too.

[lord-of-shadow]

Making up words, eh?

Manwë and (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=and) the (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=the) Valar never (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=never) specifically (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=specifically) sought (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sought) Eru's help (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=help) with (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=with) Melkor or (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=or) the (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=the) other (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=other) dissident (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dissident) Ainur, though (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=though).

Manwë, Valar, Eru, Melkor, and Ainur are all creations of Tolkien.

[ArPharazon]

He was the most powerful, and most famous King of Numenor. He invaded the realm of Mordor, brought Sauron to his knees (even though Sauron faked that), built the two greatest fleets created by Men, and indeed, he invaded Valinor and drew the attention of Eru himself. I'd say those are remarkable achievements.

He didn't marry his sister, he married his cousin. And, according to one theory (the one that, of course, I uphold) they were both in love with each other.

Of course, he kinda renounced Eru for Melkor/Morgoth, and brought his realm into darkness... but still, who can deny the temptation of evil? :evil:

Oh... and... we're not discussing Lotr. We're discussing the Silmarillion, the Akallabeth to be more precise. BIG DIFFERENCE!!! Not that I mind discussing Lotr, of course.

[Viperx11]

LOTR, Silmarillion, same thing...sheesh. This is a Warcraft forum. I didn't come here to learn about The King of Numeragaragoanerogerwilhemian that invaded Eurotacticalusgophernitusian and brought Saorgargiansophosotite to his knees. :wave:

Ok, exaggeration, but Tolkien has always been waaay too big on his pronouns.

[Zann the Defender]

Dont start talking about LOTR. You'll make me say Paladin for the 20th time

[Viperx11]

PALADIN! Goddamit, we've got a PALADIN over here! PALADIN! PALADIN, GOD DAMNIT!

EDIT: Jesus, now I am going to have PALADIN-induced nightmares. Thanks.

[Zann the Defender]

Be scared, be very very scared.

Dont start talking about LOTR or you make me say it for times.

[lord-of-shadow]

You do realize, Viper, that the subject that this topic was originally intended to discuss has now been beaten into the ground, and we have nothing else to talk about here? ;)

There ARE other threads, you know. Or perhaps you could try to strike up some sort of conversation.

[Viperx11]

If we have nothing else to talk about, let the thread die. Or you could sit in this thread and rant about Tolkien all day to the point where people come by and say "Lovely, a topic I am interested in, let me see how it goes..." and click the thread and see 3 pages about Valinor and Sauron. ;)

Your choice...but it seems, you have chosen DEATH. Very well....

PALADIN! THE NAKED PALADINS ARE COMING!

[Vanguard]

Why would you pick THAT king though? He married his sister, allowed himself to be manipulated by Sauron, and tried to invade Valinor. He's one of the worst examples of Men in the history of Arda, heh. Not only did he land on Valinor, but he got the PERSONAL attention of Eru Iluvatar, not even Melkor and Sauron could manage that. :grrr:

Ya, I remeber about him doing that, and how gondor got destroyed my higher powers because they weren't allowed to across the sea. Well, not destroyed, but flooded or something that hurt gondor a lot.

[Cenkrill]

Sort of WoW spoiler but you've probably read it somewhere already or you will find it out more or less as soon as you start playing WoW....





Sylvanas is already in Northrend doing something evil, and left Varythimis (That dread lord, don't know how to spell his name) in charge of the Forsaken while she was gone.

Malfurion Stormrage and Tyrande are missing in action and some guy (can't remember his name) is in charge of the Night Elves.

Jaina is still on her little island and Thrall is at Durotar (sp?)


That's what some beta tester posted somewhere on these forums anyway, can't find the original thread...

So I think Sylvanas or Malfurion and Tyrande will kill Ner'zhul. But who knows?

[Zann the Defender]

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[RootY-"D34d-Ra1n"]

Well...everybody has a reason for it...so i guess everyone should get a shot...but personally i reckon the undead should make arthas pay for making us into slaaaaaaaaaaves....

[ArPharazon]

Ya, I remeber about him doing that, and how gondor got destroyed my higher powers because they weren't allowed to across the sea. Well, not destroyed, but flooded or something that hurt gondor a lot.

You know, now I'm really insulted. It was Numenor, not Gondor! Gondor was that pathetic kingdom on the mainland of Middle-Earth, founded by my (Pharazon's) greatest rival, Elendil, and his sons, who disobeyed me and traveled east instead of taking part in my fleet :rant:

But anyway, Numenor got destroyed/flooded by the higher powers (the Valar, granted temporary increase in their power by Eru himself). Valinor and Tol Eressea were removed from the world, which was now made round, and a deep abyss appeared in the bottom of the sea, sucking up both Numenor and the Numenorean fleet. Ar-Pharazon, and the other men who had set foot on Valinor, were buried beneath the mountains, and now lie there, in the Caves of the Forgotten, until the End of Days.

Sauron, sitting in his dark temple on Numenor, got sucked away as well, and lost his body and ability to look fair at that moment. The only reason his spirit did not fade away into nothing more than a tiny polter-geist or something, was his Ruling Ring. He probably left that behind in Mordor, and in spirit he came back to Mordor, took the ring, got physical shape again, rebuilt his forces, and started war once more.

Elendil and his sons, who had prepared their fleet on the east-side of Numenor, got carried away by the waves resulting from the Akallebeth (Downfall of Numenor), and were cast on land in Middle-Earth, where they founded Gondor and Arnor. In time, they waged war on Sauron, which resulted in the Last Alliance and the battle of Dagorlad, which you can see in the Prologue to Fotr.

Ok, enough Tolkien lore for today.

The dreadlord Cenkrill was talking about is spelled Varimathras, and he is the one I have predicted to slay Arthas. See my theory on page 4 for this. I remain supporting this theory.

[Vanguard]

[QUOTE=ArPharazon]You know, now I'm really insulted. It was Numenor, not Gondor! Gondor was that pathetic kingdom on the mainland of Middle-Earth, founded by my (Pharazon's) greatest rival, Elendil, and his sons, who disobeyed me and traveled east instead of taking part in my fleet :rant:

But anyway, Numenor got destroyed/flooded by the higher powers (the Valar, granted temporary increase in their power by Eru himself). Valinor and Tol Eressea were removed from the world, which was now made round, and a deep abyss appeared in the bottom of the sea, sucking up both Numenor and the Numenorean fleet. Ar-Pharazon, and the other men who had set foot on Valinor, were buried beneath the mountains, and now lie there, in the Caves of the Forgotten, until the End of Days.

Sauron, sitting in his dark temple on Numenor, got sucked away as well, and lost his body and ability to look fair at that moment. The only reason his spirit did not fade away into nothing more than a tiny polter-geist or something, was his Ruling Ring. He probably left that behind in Mordor, and in spirit he came back to Mordor, took the ring, got physical shape again, rebuilt his forces, and started war once more.

Elendil and his sons, who had prepared their fleet on the east-side of Numenor, got carried away by the waves resulting from the Akallebeth (Downfall of Numenor), and were cast on land in Middle-Earth, where they founded Gondor and Arnor. In time, they waged war on Sauron, which resulted in the Last Alliance and the battle of Dagorlad, which you can see in the Prologue to Fotr.

Ok, enough Tolkien lore for today.

My bad. Keep messing up the two nations. At least I didnt say Rohan.

[Havard]

Ok everyone,

Unless there are some new theories on who should kill Arthas/Ner'Zhul, let's leave the off-topic posts to the off-topic forum and let the thread RIP.

It was interesting while it lasted.

[adubs745]

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No, not yet. First I have to say this. Can someone please kick Zann the Defender off these boards??? Please??? Zann - you are to these boards (and this thread especially) what the bubonic plague was to Europe, and thats putting it as friendly as I can. SHUT UP WITH YOUR ASSININE, BORDERLINE ********, INFANTILE STUPIDITY!!!! And its not just this post either, you were an annoying **** on that smoking thread too. I don't care if I get banned for flaming you, because truthfully, I wouldn't have to read your idiotic **** anymore. So go **** yourself.

[RobinofLocksley]

Yeah, you're flaming him alright, this is no reason to kick Zahn from the boards, it is annoying yes, and a warning would be best in this case. But flaming him, is a reason for banning and I hope you will get. Read the forum rules: Thou shal not flame. You're giving the admins a serious reason to ban you. Apologies would be the best thing to do I guess..

[Havard]

Okay...

Adubs: I hope that outburst was an isolated one, because that kind of flaming does get one banned, regardless of your justification.

Zann: Spamming and double-posting are also against forum rules (http://www.rpgforums.net/rules/).

Both of you play nice now...

[Zann the Defender]

No, not yet. First I have to say this. Can someone please kick Zann the Defender off these boards??? Please??? Zann - you are to these boards (and this thread especially) what the bubonic plague was to Europe, and thats putting it as friendly as I can. SHUT UP WITH YOUR ASSININE, BORDERLINE ********, INFANTILE STUPIDITY!!!! And its not just this post either, you were an annoying **** on that smoking thread too. I don't care if I get banned for flaming you, because truthfully, I wouldn't have to read your idiotic **** anymore. So go **** yourself.
Wow I have a fan :uhhuh:

[adubs745]

Yes you do, a real big fan. And honestly, go ahead and ban me, I'm pretty much asking for it with that little outburst. And...well, my feelings aren't going to be shattered if I get banned from an interent forum discussing a video game just for yelling at some annoying guy. In fact, I'm not going to care at all. But just know, that if I do get banned, it was all worth it. YES!

On a sidenote however, I'm in the hall of fame on this website, have been here since it was first launched, and well, hold no grudges against anyone other than the person I flamed.

[Hitokiri]

i like chocolate

[RobinofLocksley]

Yes you do, a real big fan. And honestly, go ahead and ban me, I'm pretty much asking for it with that little outburst. And...well, my feelings aren't going to be shattered if I get banned from an interent forum discussing a video game just for yelling at some annoying guy. In fact, I'm not going to care at all. But just know, that if I do get banned, it was all worth it. YES!

On a sidenote however, I'm in the hall of fame on this website, have been here since it was first launched, and well, hold no grudges against anyone other than the person I flamed.

Well, if you wanna get banned, you can just aswell leave yourself, don't you think?? You say you don't care if you get banned if you get banned for yelling at Zahn, well the forum rules say it is strictly forbidden.
BTW, what you said on your little sidenote, doesn't make any difference, rules are rules...

[theseus]

I think Thrall, Jaina, Cairne, Sylvannas, and Kael will let their powers combine to form... CAPTAIN AZEROTH!

Still funny even after 5 pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Shadofeng]

We all know that this might be a battle in WoW. But it really should not be. It should end in an epic battle at icecrown with all the main characters launching an all out assualt on arthas. And the one to battel and kill him will be jaina..... How could you not see that?!!

[Shellar]

I think that Arthas should kill all Paladins. Permanently.

[Valas Azuviir]

Talk about thread-necromancy. This thread is over two years old. Just let it die in peace folks.

[Volja]

I voted for 6. Just because the description is cool