HORDE > ALLIANCE?

[JRL]

why is everyone playing alliance when the horde is so much cooler? any thoughts?...

[Dragonflame]

I guess everyone wants to be the good guy :idea: . Humans they are extremly popular unlike orc, troll, or tuaren. On the horde side undead are really popular but not nearly as popular as humans :uhhuh:

[DarknessCrusader]

I believe most people play human because they don't have the imagination to play something not as close to like them as possible. I also think there's alot of ignorance going on about how human equals good and orc and troll must be bad. From the WarCraft story, it's kinda the other way around... and from playing the game, it definitely is the other way around. More often than not, if you see an Alliance player, they're probably up to no good!
I just hope Blizzard is ready for just how evil the Alliance is becoming...

Also, I think Undead is popular because it's kinda the most bad-guy like. Alot of people pick them with the thoughts of wreaking havok upon the realms. But little do they know the humans, dwarves, gnomes and night elves are way ahead of them! Most peaceful race would definitely be the Tauren. Those are usually a good group of guys to hang out with!

I'm stickin' with my Troll Shamie' and hopefully soon to have Orc Hunter for me tho'.
Long live Thrall! :)

[bleachy]

You see the same thing in every MMO with humans, the unimaginative crowd picks humans.


I plan to have an Orc Shaman on the RP server(if there is one), and a Tauren Hunter on the PvP server, and probably some other characters just to test it out.

[Dragonflame]

I believe most people play human because they don't have the imagination to play something not as close to like them as possible. I also think there's alot of ignorance going on about how human equals good and orc and troll must be bad. From the WarCraft story, it's kinda the other way around... and from playing the game, it definitely is the other way around. More often than not, if you see an Alliance player, they're probably up to no good!
I just hope Blizzard is ready for just how evil the Alliance is becoming...

Also, I think Undead is popular because it's kinda the most bad-guy like. Alot of people pick them with the thoughts of wreaking havok upon the realms. But little do they know the humans, dwarves, gnomes and night elves are way ahead of them! Most peaceful race would definitely be the Tauren. Those are usually a good group of guys to hang out with!

I'm stickin' with my Troll Shamie' and hopefully soon to have Orc Hunter for me tho'.
Long live Thrall! :)

I wanted to be night elf but scince they can't be a paladin i will ethier be dwarf or human :thumbsup:

[JRL]

I believe most people play human because they don't have the imagination to play something not as close to like them as possible. I also think there's alot of ignorance going on about how human equals good and orc and troll must be bad. From the WarCraft story, it's kinda the other way around... and from playing the game, it definitely is the other way around. More often than not, if you see an Alliance player, they're probably up to no good!
I just hope Blizzard is ready for just how evil the Alliance is becoming...

Also, I think Undead is popular because it's kinda the most bad-guy like. Alot of people pick them with the thoughts of wreaking havok upon the realms. But little do they know the humans, dwarves, gnomes and night elves are way ahead of them! Most peaceful race would definitely be the Tauren. Those are usually a good group of guys to hang out with!

I'm stickin' with my Troll Shamie' and hopefully soon to have Orc Hunter for me tho'.
Long live Thrall! :)
I'm gonna make a Tauren Shamie. maybe a hunter of some other race, although from what I hear tauren with a gun sounds kinda cool. I'd have to agree with the Horde being less evil, they just want to be left alone and keep the environment healthy. the alliance likes to use up the worlds resources a bit much (or so it seems)

[Grond_HellHammer]

its true that the orcs have been evil in the past but thats not the story now a days. i view the allience as "big brother" always trying to push around the little guy.... like walmart with mom and pop stores, id go into political examples but i dont want to start a frikin hate thread so ill stick with business lol. anyway, yes the allience has good guys but just as many bad guys, same with the horde... but i see the allience as arrogant jerks who think they can push around whoever they want because they live in castles and wear gold while members of the horde live in huts and wear leather..... screw you cocky jerks! :thumbsup:

[Owmyeye]

Alot of guys, due to whatever reason, like to play as female characters. They go for pretty races it seems, guys don't play female taurens, they play female elves and humans. Now, not just females, alot of guys want to play as a handsome guy in game, so they go with humans and elves. Seems alot of people want to look good in game. I'm kinda impartial to races, i pick my class first, then i go for a race that can be said class. I'm currently leaning towards shaman, and will probaly go orc.

Aside from aestetics (sp?) is the good/bad thing other posters mentioned. I even go for this sometimes in single player games, in WC2 i played through the human campaign first, then the orcs, and other games as well. Sometimes we pick what we most identify with.

Also, sticking with friends. From above reasons and others not yet mentioned, alot of people will want to play Alliance. When all your friends/clan go Alliance, you're pretty much going Alliance too unless you want split from your friends. My friend's going undead, so i can have my shaman and still hang out.

[Dragonflame]

its true that the orcs have been evil in the past but thats not the story now a days. i view the allience as "big brother" always trying to push around the little guy.... like walmart with mom and pop stores, id go into political examples but i dont want to start a frikin hate thread so ill stick with business lol. anyway, yes the allience has good guys but just as many bad guys, same with the horde... but i see the allience as arrogant jerks who think they can push around whoever they want because they live in castles and wear gold while members of the horde live in huts and wear leather..... screw you cocky jerks! :thumbsup:

Yeah we can push you around becuase we can kick your *** :lol:

[Grond_HellHammer]

Yeah we can push you around becuase we can kick your *** :lol:

LOL, LMAO, yea thats why the horde as time and time again beating off the attacks of the allience, humans in the world of warcraft are weak and a pretty much dieing race, if im correct Storm Wind is the last human stronghold and there are a few groups of the undead who are trying to destroy the humans with a plague. lmao, the allience is a joke. sorry to sound harsh but dragonflame killed my father................ damn father killer :lol:

and as for the playing as a female charc, yea the allience beats the horde tenfold in that department lol

[DarknessCrusader]

Yeah we can push you around becuase we can kick your *** :lol:

So far the ONLY ***-kicking I've seen from the Alliance is when they team up and attack Horde characters half thier level. Then when the players closer to thier own level arrive, they run away. Nothing like watching level 45+ humans, dwarves, gnomes, and elves running from a couple of level 30 somethin' orcs, trolls, tauren and undead. I've ran off my fair share of of high level Alliance and I'm only level 25!
Favorite tactic is change into wolf, run ahead of where they're running, change back, drop an earthbind to slow them down and then purge away thier defensive shell! Meanwhile they continue to try and run but don't get as far as they'd like... :)

[Abercrombie]

why is everyone playing alliance when the horde is so much cooler? any thoughts?...

The correct answer here is that the Alliance pushes in Alpha preceded any Horde pushes. Humans were the first race available IIRC. Their quests and the areas are more "fun" because they have received more attention from Blizzard. Because of that, more people who don't care about the "beta" part and just want to play for "free" will choose the most "fun area". Also, people who started early Phase 1 beta had Alliance only as well and probably dont want to "restart" a character again.

So in summary:
1) The areas are more balanced, quests more fun and it is the most thoroughly complete faction (especially Human areas)
2) People don't want to start another character after they began in the Alliance push early beta.

My answer to the initial question: Hell yes. Horde is much better than Alliance. =)

[DarknessCrusader]

I would agree... but everyone had to basicly start over with the PvP server, and yet Alliance still outnumbers Horde.I think it's more of a mindset than a stayin' with what they already have. They might be choosing Alliance again because they already know most the quests and it's just easier that way. I know alot of people who where Alliance on the PvE server and are trying out Horde on the PvP server, but Horde is still the underdog.

[Dragonflame]

LOL, LMAO, yea thats why the horde as time and time again beating off the attacks of the allience, humans in the world of warcraft are weak and a pretty much dieing race, if im correct Storm Wind is the last human stronghold and there are a few groups of the undead who are trying to destroy the humans with a plague. lmao, the allience is a joke. sorry to sound harsh but dragonflame killed my father................ damn father killer :lol:

and as for the playing as a female charc, yea the allience beats the horde tenfold in that department lol

yeah but in the seconed war we pushed you all the way back into the portal :yep: . You ocs are stupid enough to ally with the forsaken. In the end those undead will stab you in the back and leave your carrcas for the flies :lol:

[JRL]

The correct answer here is that the Alliance pushes in Alpha preceded any Horde pushes. Humans were the first race available IIRC. Their quests and the areas are more "fun" because they have received more attention from Blizzard. Because of that, more people who don't care about the "beta" part and just want to play for "free" will choose the most "fun area". Also, people who started early Phase 1 beta had Alliance only as well and probably dont want to "restart" a character again.

So in summary:
1) The areas are more balanced, quests more fun and it is the most thoroughly complete faction (especially Human areas)
2) People don't want to start another character after they began in the Alliance push early beta.

My answer to the initial question: Hell yes. Horde is much better than Alliance. =)
Best answer here IMO. Not to say that the mud-slinging isnt entertaining, because it is.
as for the mud-slinging, Horde is gonna pwn in the end. The alliance people are gonna go too busy looking at their pretty elf/human chick that they will get blindsided by a wave or troll spears, followed by tauren rolling them over. and then finally the Orcs will come in and mop up, leaving the dead bodies to feed the undead army. HAH! :P

[Grond_HellHammer]

yeah but in the seconed war we pushed you all the way back into the portal :yep: . You ocs are stupid enough to ally with the forsaken. In the end those undead will stab you in the back and leave your carrcas for the flies :lol:

lol, during the second war the orcs were stupid mindless fighting machines, they were tainted by demon blood, its not the story now a days, we have regained our shaman roots and are once again a proud and honorable people, you pink skins have always used the word good for yourselves and evil for us but now it looks reversed, pink skins are no good hatemongers. the horde (cept the undead) want peace, they just want to go and live in some godforsaken barrens were nobody is going to bother them, but noooo the allience has to come and try to show its "authority"
and as for the forsaken......... well yea they are creepy and all, but the orcs know how it is to be spit on and have inner demons, so we are helping them to be better people...... uhhh corpses... uhh things, better things.l :thumbsup:

[Kos Lightningfist]

hey dragonflame, shouldnt you stay in ur paladin forum. do you want us to come over there and start spamming?

[Grond_HellHammer]

hey dragonflame, shouldnt you stay in ur paladin forum. do you want us to come over there and start spamming?

dont worry about it, hes cool, hes with me lol
and anyway, i think this is fun, i have already pist off some paladins lol :thumbsup:

[Dragonflame]

hey dragonflame, shouldnt you stay in ur paladin forum. do you want us to come over there and start spamming?

sure spam all you want it doesn't bother me lol

[Abercrombie]

sure spam all you want it doesn't bother me lol

Let's avoid the spam please. This is a civil (haha, relatively at least) topic and it should stay that way. If you guys want to have a massive discussion take it to the general forum.

[Harwel]

yeah but in the seconed war we pushed you all the way back into the portal :yep: . You ocs are stupid enough to ally with the forsaken. In the end those undead will stab you in the back and leave your carrcas for the flies :lol:

Nobody trusts the Forsaken. As the saying goes, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." ;) Some of the Horde leaders are smarter than you think.

[Dragonflame]

Nobody trusts the Forsaken. As the saying goes, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." ;) Some of the Horde leaders are smarter than you think.

or are they dun da dun!!!

[DarknessCrusader]

hmmm... I owe my allegiance to a might warrior/ shaman/ general king, while you owe yours to a little boy. No wonder you Alliance are out of control, you need a little discipline!

[DarknessCrusader]

Had another encounter with the Alliance last night. First I get a message that Gann, a peaceful Tauren druid NPC, was murdered. I was nearby, so I went to his location to investigate, where I found a level 31 human paladin guarding his dead body. As soon as he saw me, a level 25 shaman who would usually get beat down by a level 25 pallie, he bolted for it. I chased after him, trying to slow him down with Earthbind totems, but he just kept running. He was too scared to fight me... at least he was till he met up with his two level 35 friends. So now it's me versus a level 31 paladin, level 35 mage, and level 35 warrior (or pallie). Of course the three of them began to taunt me and do everything they could to get me to attack them. Deciding what to do, the choice was decided for me when two level 27 Tauren Warriors came up and started to avenge thier druid bretheren. Of coure I jumped in and was the first to die, but as soon as I retrieved my body, and the other two retrieved thiers, they were grateful for what little help I provided. They knew it was a pointless battle, but for hoinors sake, they had to do it. They were surprised I jumped in and died with them, but they did assassinate a friendly NPC, so for Gann, I did what needed to be done.
We may have lost the battle versus players 10 levels higher than us, but it felt like a victory seeing the enemy cowering like he did, running to a position he knew he couldn't lose.
Later I heard they were found in Crossroads where they were killed quickly and painfully, never to be seen again.

Horde > Alliance in more ways than one.

[Grond_HellHammer]

Had another encounter with the Alliance last night. First I get a message that Gann, a peaceful Tauren druid NPC, was murdered. I was nearby, so I went to his location to investigate, where I found a level 31 human paladin guarding his dead body. As soon as he saw me, a level 25 shaman who would usually get beat down by a level 25 pallie, he bolted for it. I chased after him, trying to slow him down with Earthbind totems, but he just kept running. He was too scared to fight me... at least he was till he met up with his two level 35 friends. So now it's me versus a level 31 paladin, level 35 mage, and level 35 warrior (or pallie). Of course the three of them began to taunt me and do everything they could to get me to attack them. Deciding what to do, the choice was decided for me when two level 27 Tauren Warriors came up and started to avenge thier druid bretheren. Of coure I jumped in and was the first to die, but as soon as I retrieved my body, and the other two retrieved thiers, they were grateful for what little help I provided. They knew it was a pointless battle, but for hoinors sake, they had to do it. They were surprised I jumped in and died with them, but they did assassinate a friendly NPC, so for Gann, I did what needed to be done.
We may have lost the battle versus players 10 levels higher than us, but it felt like a victory seeing the enemy cowering like he did, running to a position he knew he couldn't lose.
Later I heard they were found in Crossroads where they were killed quickly and painfully, never to be seen again.

Horde > Alliance in more ways than one.

lmao, that made me laugh, thank you for that
yea thats what ive been hearing a lot of these days, that the allience players are cowards. i also spend time over in the paladin fourm (mostly to taunt lol) and i hear nothing of the horde running from a fight, but ive heard more than once now about the allience haveing higer level players running from lower level horde players.
but thank you for this post, really made me smile

[Dragonflame]

hmmm... I owe my allegiance to a might warrior/ shaman/ general king, while you owe yours to a little boy. No wonder you Alliance are out of control, you need a little discipline!

At least are women don't look like freaking cows. I mean the troll women have tusks, orcs are okay, and the undead well....

PS. Your leader is a Cow!!! Not to menchen a hypie cow thats over 300000000000000000000000000000 years old

[Dragonflame]

I still say you orcs are as bad as ever. During the first war you with your demon blood took over half of Azteroth, we had barley anytime to react. Then in the seconed war you killed lothar the greatest paladin to ever live :rant:. Now you ally your self with the forsaken the people who want to take over the world, you basicly just handed it to them on a silver platter. Not to menchen you still got those warlocks runing around serving the burning legion. I still think your corrupted oh they will call me crazy everyone thinks am crazy but I'm the only one whos not crazy am sane :flip: (gets slaped across the face by some random person lol :lol: ) thanks i needed that the point is i still dont trust you orcs.

[Grond_HellHammer]

I still say you orcs are as bad as ever. During the first war you with your demon blood took over half of Azteroth, we had barley anytime to react. Then in the seconed war you killed lothar the greatest paladin to ever live :rant:. Now you ally your self with the forsaken the people who want to take over the world, you basicly just handed it to them on a silver platter. Not to menchen you still got those warlocks runing around serving the burning legion. I still think your corrupted oh they will call me crazy everyone thinks am crazy but I'm the only one whos not crazy am sane :flip: (gets slaped across the face by some random person lol :lol: ) thanks i needed that the point is i still dont trust you orcs.

thats cool, dont trust us, but there are shaman quests (mabye other classes but i dont know) that have you "deal" with warlocks, and the allience has just as many warlocks as the horde so ha.
as for the Forsaken joining the horde, they arnt trying to take over the world, they are fighting hard against the scourge, they are fighting a lot harder than any other faction or race, there are many necros and other members of the frozen thrones army still around the forsakens land, they are fighting a bigger evil so i guess that almost makes them good. who cares if they dont use soap?

and the demon charged orcs in the past, yes the orcs were infested with demon blood and went into a frenzy against the humans but how well do you think the humans would have stood up against demons? they would have done the same thing.
and look at the humans now, many are falling under the undead, the undead are basecally human corpses and necormancers (humans) i think its time that the humans are considered bad for their undead counterparts, there will always be "good" humans like paladins and that whole group but many are joining the undead.

[JRL]

I still say you orcs are as bad as ever. During the first war you with your demon blood took over half of Azteroth, we had barley anytime to react. Then in the seconed war you killed lothar the greatest paladin to ever live :rant:. Now you ally your self with the forsaken the people who want to take over the world, you basicly just handed it to them on a silver platter. Not to menchen you still got those warlocks runing around serving the burning legion. I still think your corrupted oh they will call me crazy everyone thinks am crazy but I'm the only one whos not crazy am sane :flip: (gets slaped across the face by some random person lol :lol: ) thanks i needed that the point is i still dont trust you orcs.
you dont trust us orcs. well what about the peacefull "hippie" as you call them tauren. The tauren just want to live off the land

[Dragonflame]

you dont trust us orcs. well what about the peacefull "hippie" as you call them tauren. The tauren just want to live off the land

I never called them peacefull. Hypies can be violent :lol:

[DarknessCrusader]

The horde might be vendictive at times, but the most violent race is most definitely the Gnomes! I swear every person that made a gnome made it for the sole purpose of attckin' everything they come across that's 10 or more levels lower than them. And then they love to corpse gaurd and do it over and over and over again. Most NE characters I come across are at least somewhatingly honorable, and the humans and dwarves at least learn how pointless some encounters are or become. But not the Gnomes! They are evil little twits! The dwarves better be careful invitin' those little bugers into thier home... I sure as heck wouldn't trust them! They could easily put the Forsaken to shame when it comes to backstab!

[Dragonflame]

The horde might be vendictive at times, but the most violent race is most definitely the Gnomes! I swear every person that made a gnome made it for the sole purpose of attckin' everything they come across that's 10 or more levels lower than them. And then they love to corpse gaurd and do it over and over and over again. Most NE characters I come across are at least somewhatingly honorable, and the humans and dwarves at least learn how pointless some encounters are or become. But not the Gnomes! They are evil little twits! The dwarves better be careful invitin' those little bugers into thier home... I sure as heck wouldn't trust them! They could easily put the Forsaken to shame when it comes to backstab!

lol this is to funny :lol: :lol: :lol:. Then agian i never trusted the gnomes even though there on my fraction hmmm :scratch:

[Drakeon]

The only annoying race I've ran into on the pvp servers is NE, as I was continually killed by a 50 night elf in hillsbrad (YAY for hillsbrad, land of the ganking).

Thanks to hillsbrad I gank alliance whenever I can, wherever I can.

Its quite fun running down alliance (that aren't 10+ lvls higher then me..) in ghost wolf form, as they have NO chance to escape. I ghost wolf, run close enough, go troll form and frost shock. Then stab and frost shock as necessary. If they try to cast, earth shock, if they have buffs, purge/lightning shock :D

[Nozochin]

So g-nomes and their sneak attacks dont bother you Drakeon? I thought the size of g-nomes and d-warfs would be an advantage?

[JRL]

I dont like gnomes at all. I would say that I wouldnt trust one as far as I could throw 'em but they are so small that I dont even trust them that much. If the rest of the horde is like me they will see gnomes as the class everyone loves to hate.

I read the backstory on blizzard's page and I dont even see how gnomes fit into the story. Can someone please explain to me how they do, I feel like i'm missing something.

[Harwel]

OK, here's my take.

Alliance
Humans: Can't be trusted, have a history of betraying alliances (*cough* high elves) and not honoring truces. Won't even help each other out, check the human quest storylines in game. Ridiculous. Selfish bums.
Dwarves: Pillagers of the earth, no respect for the land.
Gnomes: Just plain flakes. They've virtually destroyed themselves on their own with their own irresponsible experiments.
Night Elves: Sleeping when the world needed them most. Their new World Tree is a cursed abomination and a symbol of their betrayal of their stewardship of the land.

Horde
Orcs: Have thrown off their demonic influence and just want to survive in the wastelands and get back to their noble shamanistic roots. Actually HELP their neighbors (trolls and tauren).
Trolls: fierce enemies, loyal allies. Humans could learn a thing or two here.
Tauren: peaceful people who just want to be one with the land. Honoring a blood debt to the orcs for their help against the centaurs. The closest thing to a "good" race in the game.
Undead: OK, they are evil bastards. Not much else to say there. Can't see why the Horde would take them in except that we both need any ally we can get. Maybe the orcs pity them and have faith that since the orcs threw off their demonic bonds, the Forsaken can too.

[Drakeon]

nah, gnomes aren't that hard to see, maybe if it was a huge battle they might be hard to pick out, but in small battles they are easy enough to find.

[Grond_HellHammer]

OK, here's my take.

Alliance
Humans: Can't be trusted, have a history of betraying alliances (*cough* high elves) and not honoring truces. Won't even help each other out, check the human quest storylines in game. Ridiculous. Selfish bums.
Dwarves: Pillagers of the earth, no respect for the land.
Gnomes: Just plain flakes. They've virtually destroyed themselves on their own with their own irresponsible experiments.
Night Elves: Sleeping when the world needed them most. Their new World Tree is a cursed abomination and a symbol of their betrayal of their stewardship of the land.

Horde
Orcs: Have thrown off their demonic influence and just want to survive in the wastelands and get back to their noble shamanistic roots. Actually HELP their neighbors (trolls and tauren).
Trolls: fierce enemies, loyal allies. Humans could learn a thing or two here.
Tauren: peaceful people who just want to be one with the land. Honoring a blood debt to the orcs for their help against the centaurs. The closest thing to a "good" race in the game.
Undead: OK, they are evil bastards. Not much else to say there. Can't see why the Horde would take them in except that we both need any ally we can get. Maybe the orcs pity them and have faith that since the orcs threw off their demonic bonds, the Forsaken can too.


i agree with this statment 100%, i coudent have said it any better myself. good job... no, thank you.

lol

[aLEPH_oMEGO]

I just don't get the widespread hatred of Gnomes. If you put aside your personal biases and focus strictly on WC history, you'll find that Gnomes are probably the most noble race in the Alliance; or perhaps a close second to the Dwarves, who are also the only other Alliance race that deserved respect. Why? I'm glad you asked.

First off, though, let's get two things straight:

1) Gnomes don't make good shock troops, and they are not particularly renowned for their magical abilities.

This should make clear the reason Gnomes did not appear as units in the WC series. They are not suited to be "fighters," (I don't think they should have the option to be Warriors; Priest would have been a much better alternative) and other races come to mind first when considering magical ability, s/a Elves. As units, Gnomes didn't make a logical addition to the game. However, remove from your mind the concept of game balancing, and consider how different the outcome would have been if the Alliance had not had the benefit of the Gnomes' intellectual products. Moreover, consider what would have happened if the Gnomes had sided with the Horde!

2) WoW is an RPG, the WC series were RTSGs.

With the exception of heroes in WC3, you primarily controlled masses of faceless, essentially changeless expendibles, and had to start over with each new campaign. In WoW, you follow and mold one character from beginning to end. This entails different mechanics and play styles, thus different choices.

As for Gnomes being the most noble race in the Alliance, just look at the history books. When the mighty Night Elves faced a problem they couldn't handle, they went running to the Humans. When the haughty Humans faced a problem they couldn't handle, they went running to the Elves. In both cases, this is after they ignored it or tried to hide it from their own people :sleep:- and failed - in the process allowing it to grow and gain strength.

The Gnomes, on the other hand, faced with certain destruction, selflessly accepted their fate rather than endanger the fate of the entire alliance by enlisting aid that was desperately needed on the front. And while their handling of the problem may have caused as much harm to themselves as the threat itself, they did handle it, rather than let it spread and affect all of Azeroth of its own accord.

True, their situation was ostensibly of their own making. But none of the tragedies that have befallen Azeroth occured without the input, however great of small, of its own people. Generally, they are due to the greed, malace, and selfishness of small groups who are manipulated by dark, powerful forces. To assume that the catastrophe in Gnomeregan was any different would at this point be folly.

a_o

A tidbit of Gnome backstory some might have overlooked can be found here (http://www.blizzard.com/wow/insider/metzen-interview.shtml).

[Dragonflame]

I just don't get the widespread hatred of Gnomes. If you put aside your personal biases and focus strictly on WC history, you'll find that Gnomes are probably the most noble race in the Alliance; or perhaps a close second to the Dwarves, who are also the only other Alliance race that deserved respect. Why? I'm glad you asked.

First off, though, let's get two things straight:

1) Gnomes don't make good shock troops, and they are not particularly renowned for their magical abilities.

This should make clear the reason Gnomes did not appear as units in the WC series. They are not suited to be "fighters," (I don't think they should have the option to be Warriors; Priest would have been a much better alternative) and other races come to mind first when considering magical ability, s/a Elves. As units, Gnomes didn't make a logical addition to the game. However, remove from your mind the concept of game balancing, and consider how different the outcome would have been if the Alliance had not had the benefit of the Gnomes' intellectual products. Moreover, consider what would have happened if the Gnomes had sided with the Horde!

2) WoW is an RPG, the WC series were RTSGs.

With the exception of heroes in WC3, you primarily controlled masses of faceless, essentially changeless expendibles, and had to start over with each new campaign. In WoW, you follow and mold one character from beginning to end. This entails different mechanics and play styles, thus different choices.

As for Gnomes being the most noble race in the Alliance, just look at the history books. When the mighty Night Elves faced a problem they couldn't handle, they went running to the Humans. When the haughty Humans faced a problem they couldn't handle, they went running to the Elves. In both cases, this is after they ignored it or tried to hide it from their own people :sleep:- and failed - in the process allowing it to grow and gain strength.

The Gnomes, on the other hand, faced with certain destruction, selflessly accepted their fate rather than endanger the fate of the entire alliance by enlisting aid that was desperately needed on the front. And while their handling of the problem may have caused as much harm to themselves as the threat itself, they did handle it, rather than let it spread and affect all of Azeroth of its own accord.

True, their situation was ostensibly of their own making. But none of the tragedies that have befallen Azeroth occured without the input, however great of small, of its own people. Generally, they are due to the greed, malace, and selfishness of small groups who are manipulated by dark, powerful forces. To assume that the catastrophe in Gnomeregan was any different would at this point be folly.

a_o

A tidbit of Gnome backstory some might have overlooked can be found here (http://www.blizzard.com/wow/insider/metzen-interview.shtml).

they teh suck still the dam footstools :lol:

[Zann the Defender]

I still say you orcs are as bad as ever. During the first war you with your demon blood took over half of Azteroth, we had barley anytime to react. Then in the seconed war you killed lothar the greatest paladin to ever live :rant:. Now you ally your self with the forsaken the people who want to take over the world, you basicly just handed it to them on a silver platter. Not to menchen you still got those warlocks runing around serving the burning legion. I still think your corrupted oh they will call me crazy everyone thinks am crazy but I'm the only one whos not crazy am sane :flip: (gets slaped across the face by some random person lol :lol: ) thanks i needed that the point is i still dont trust you orcs.

You are insane... You called me an Evil Paladin!

Sorry, that needed to be thrown out, and Hello orcish Brethren. Enjoy your stay on Azeroth, and please designate all anger towards the undead. Thank you for your time :thumbsup:

[Valon]

Do not forget your "wonderful" alliance has just as many warlocks as our races do, actually the alliance probably has more warlocks then the orcs have, I do not include the forsaken because we know they will turn there backs on us, we are just giving them a chance.....

[Zann the Defender]

Do not forget your "wonderful" alliance has just as many warlocks as our races do, actually the alliance probably has more warlocks then the orcs have, I do not include the forsaken because we know they will turn there backs on us, we are just giving them a chance.....

Well, of course we will have more warlocks, because if you exclude the forsaken, it is 2 to 1.

[Dragonflame]

Zann is evil!!! But none will belive me and I'm not crazy :cheesy:

Orcs are still corrupted there leader the dreadful two headed Elvis is trying to take over the world with miget circus clowns and beaver tailed lepercuans :flip:

[Zann the Defender]

Zann is evil!!! But none will belive me and I'm not crazy :cheesy:

Orcs are still corrupted there leader the dreadful two headed Elvis is trying to take over the world with miget circus clowns and beaver tailed lepercuans :flip:

Pure insanity.... I am not evil!!!!

[Dragonflame]

Zann is evil he's with the two headed Elvis *cough undead in disguise cough*

[Zann the Defender]

Just ignore him.... He is a mentally insane person who thinks he is a paladin.....

Let us all point and laugh.......

---> Dragonflame :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dragonflame]

You watch it's come the two head Elvis will take over the world with it's gravy empire. :flip:

[Chaosas]

I won't play human because it seems HALF of the server will be HUMAN PALADINS :cheesy:

[Valon]

I will probably be one that will have a human paladin, though he definatly will not be my main char. Actually he will probably be one of the last chars that I know for a fact that I am going to make and play. I doubt I am goin to make a rogue, warlock or mage....

[JRL]

I see myself making a Shaman as my main. A hunter as my 2ndary, and maybe a warrior as a 3rd. I cant handle more than 3.

[Sir_Killmataq]

Myself my main will be a Dwarven Paladin(no human, am already human the biggest part of my life) Furthermore a Troll Shaman(Totempoles, mon!), Tauren Warrior(Much more honorable then any race, and being a chieftain is just cool) and an Undead Mage(to free the undead from their demon creators and Ner'zhul. They aren't that evil(Sylvanas didn't seem that to me in the Frozen Throne campaign anyway). Just a little weird.

[BarbeChenue]

I think that for Lore oriented folks, Shamans and Paladins have the most appeal. Both classes represent strong values of their respective faction, and have a very different approach towards the current conflict.

[Valon]

Myself my main will be a Dwarven Paladin(no human, am already human the biggest part of my life) Furthermore a Troll Shaman(Totempoles, mon!), Tauren Warrior(Much more honorable then any race, and being a chieftain is just cool) and an Undead Mage(to free the undead from their demon creators and Ner'zhul. They aren't that evil(Sylvanas didn't seem that to me in the Frozen Throne campaign anyway). Just a little weird.


I read somewhere, I can not remember where for the world of me I read it, Sylvanas is trying to create a new plague, one that will I think free the scourge from there masters will as well as destroy the human race so umm she doesn't seem all that good to me. I wanna say I read it at the blizzard website

[Pai Mai]

You see the same thing in every MMO with humans, the unimaginative crowd picks humans.


I plan to have an Orc Shaman on the RP server(if there is one), and a Tauren Hunter on the PvP server, and probably some other characters just to test it out.
I've never been human in any MMORPG...so utterly....mediocre. :uhhuh:
Although that may change with WoW. I was going to play either a d0rf rogue or a Human mage. Why human? Because their balanced stats are more appealing from a limited selection of races that can play as a mage, at least on the Alliance side. Why Alliance? Because I want to be able to get a group...... :grrr: I still do not like the magical barrier between people thanks to the faction garbage. It will be great grouping with the exact same basic race/classes over and over and over....

That and gnomes are only good for kicking. :clap:

[JRL]

Why Alliance? Because I want to be able to get a group...... :

That and gnomes are only good for kicking. :clap:


But if you are a shaman everyone will want to group with you anyway due to your totems and heals. as for gnomes, I must agree.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

oo like your sow cool your talking bad about alliance in a horde class forum pff and for the stupid dumbass running thats just noobs who are to chicken to fight

[Cyberium]

Shaman would have been my choice of job class; it has a very spiritual feeling. However, dwarven paladin looks very reliable in groops on the defense side, someone who could say,'stand behind me!'.

[Eiger]

Alot of guys, due to whatever reason, like to play as female characters. They go for pretty races it seems, guys don't play female taurens, they play female elves and humans. Now, not just females, alot of guys want to play as a handsome guy in game, so they go with humans and elves. Seems alot of people want to look good in game. I'm kinda impartial to races, i pick my class first, then i go for a race that can be said class. I'm currently leaning towards shaman, and will probaly go orc.


Yup, you've got a good point. When playing humans I always play female chars. Easier on the eyes. And I'll do that with night elves, too (male ne look dorky). But all the other races I'll be playing as guys for the same reason - they're easier on the eyes. Female tauren? No thanks, hehe.

[Drakeon]

I don't know what your talking about Female orcs and trolls are HAWT :p

The tusks man! the tusks!

[Valon]

Actually there was a pic of a female troll hunter and I found the female troll to be quite attractive, esp when compared to some of the other races female characters.

[Count_F]

yes but Human i am in RL so i will hva my MC in WoW as HUMAN PALADIN


sec dwarven hunter and third Night Elf rogue

also i hate Horde faction except Orcs all other races look sstupid (no offense)

[AnOnYmOus MeMbeR]

I like playing horde because they have the "misunderstood" gimic, orcs are the creations of demons but still fight for their freedom in hopes to be fully free, undead are the outcasts of the outcasts, fight the people who will not except them, and have the coolest name "forsaken". Tauren are huge yet huggable and desire peace but alliance will only allow it through war (alliance being the one who shattered horde and alliance's peace). And trolls, well say wut u want about trolls i dont care, nothing really special except theyre hunched over and ugly but theyre apart of orcs so that counts for something

[Av3nger]

Yup, you've got a good point. When playing humans I always play female chars. Easier on the eyes. And I'll do that with night elves, too (male ne look dorky). But all the other races I'll be playing as guys for the same reason - they're easier on the eyes. Female tauren? No thanks, hehe.
Humpf! ppl racking down on the female taurens is just so sad, Dont judge them by their appearance without gear on, and for heavens sake, be a little original.... stop doing what everyone else does! :roger:
Female Taurens is TEH r0xX0r!!!

[Sugardaddy]

a sensible reawakening of a worthy thread :chinny:

[Pongle]

Which arse**** dragged this thread out of page 980324890342908?

[Av3nger]

Which arse**** dragged this thread out of page 980324890342908?
That would be me! :winky47:
what's wrong with this thread? the only fun thread i could find while searching this dusty forum...

[Salavik]

An actual contribution from the player of a troll.

Humans - Proselytizing and fairly sanctimonious. They represent peoples whose morality is corrupted by corruption in their hierarchy.

Dwarves - Overzealous quest for knowledge, but I don't think overly harmful. They represent reaching a balance of discovering one's past and harming one's future.

Gnomes - No idea.

Night Elves - Selfishness, arrogance and ethnic narcissism. The theme here is a corrupt leadership and underlings who strive to be noble under their tutelage. Much like humans.

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Orcs - The theme is overwhelmingly redemption. They are trying to rediscover who they are, and fight within themselves against a terrible past. Connection with post-war Germany.

Tauren - An ancient people forced to adopt a different way of life, because the world is changing and forcing change upon them. Connection with aboriginals in Canada/US.

Trolls - A people who collectively desire something more for themselves, and finally have the opportunity. Unlike the Tauren, this change comes from within.

Forsaken - Plans within plans within plans. While they viciously fight for their right to autonomy, their disgust for outsiders and desire to make everyone exactly like them using extreme methods drives them inevitably to war with their allies. There are some connections to a young USSR here.

The Alliance seem only satisfied when their perspective of the world is fulfilled. The Horde (sans Forsaken) just want to be left alone. Their failure to work together against the plethora of outside threats, such as the Burning Legion, Scourge, naga, Venture Co., and pirates is obviously for drama. As soon as one "enemy" vanquishes others, you'll see them work together. After all, you have to choose the lesser of two weevils.

[Baboon]

Well I guess nobody wants to play in those boring Barrens and greenfields the Tauren got.

[Daishi]

Well I guess nobody wants to play in those boring Barrens and greenfields the Tauren got.

I actually prefer the quests in Mulgore to the ones in Durotar and the landscape is much much better. Mulgore gives a real feel to the Tauren lifestyle, making them feel a lot like American Indians and also seperating them from the somewhat bleaker feel of the rest of the Horde starting areas.

The Barrens is, in my opinion, the only topographical error in the whole of the WoW world. Pushing 3 sets of races into one area immediately after the starting zone seems a little cheap to me on Blizzards part. It means that for 3 of the 4 Horde races you end up with the same quests from level 10. Alliance side, where the same thing could have happened (Dwarves, Gnomes and Humans) the Humans are directed south whereas the Dwarves and Gnomes are sent North. I think Blizzard should have really spent some more time on this, maybe. I think some people would play more Horde types if there were some more diverse quests for the Taurens, Orcs and Trolls.

[Amyss]

horde > alliance






shaman > pally

[Lord_Shinnok]

An actual contribution from the player of a troll.

Humans - Proselytizing and fairly sanctimonious. They represent peoples whose morality is corrupted by corruption in their hierarchy.

Dwarves - Overzealous quest for knowledge, but I don't think overly harmful. They represent reaching a balance of discovering one's past and harming one's future.

Gnomes - No idea.

Night Elves - Selfishness, arrogance and ethnic narcissism. The theme here is a corrupt leadership and underlings who strive to be noble under their tutelage. Much like humans.

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Orcs - The theme is overwhelmingly redemption. They are trying to rediscover who they are, and fight within themselves against a terrible past. Connection with post-war Germany.

Tauren - An ancient people forced to adopt a different way of life, because the world is changing and forcing change upon them. Connection with aboriginals in Canada/US.

Trolls - A people who collectively desire something more for themselves, and finally have the opportunity. Unlike the Tauren, this change comes from within.

Forsaken - Plans within plans within plans. While they viciously fight for their right to autonomy, their disgust for outsiders and desire to make everyone exactly like them using extreme methods drives them inevitably to war with their allies. There are some connections to a young USSR here.



Well you gave a very one sided view of things. Unless you intend to look at both sides and every race under the same microscope then your observations fall victim to your own personal beliefs. I could easily say:

Orc – Green, ugly and smell horrid.

Tauren – Belong next to mashed potatoes and biscuits.

Undead – Necrophilia anyone?

Troll – Unachieved goals of a better dental plan.

[Salavik]

Of course I gave a one-sided view of things; I play Horde. I never claimed objectivity! :uhhuh:

But you're right and I concede. The humans are justified being sanctimonious and suspiciousgiven the massive trauma their civilization had received and coming out tough. Any country would do the same. And the Horde does suffer from bouts of moral ambiguousness. On one hand the Tauren seek revenge against the dwarves for pillaging the land, then on the other hand the orcs do exactly that in Ashenvale.

I guess your observation does prove one thing: despite attempts to classify them as such, there does not exist classical good vs. evil in the game. It's more grey vs. black.

[YoungGoretusk]

I say horde >>>alliance but I really like the Nelves! They fight for the good! If you look at their culture its very similar to taurens! Id like a 3:d team with the taurens and the night elves! That would be sweet! Night elves really dont have much joy of being with the alliance thats prolly why their camp is like 3000000000000000000000000000 miles away from the humans and gnomes!
NE and Tauren peace 4evva :bigclap: :happy14: :bigclap:

[NocturneNight]

Thoughts from a lvl 60 Human Rogue (PvP):

The Night Elves: The Night Elves have allied with the Alliance out of necessity, even though I beileve they hold a stronger bond with the Taurens. As the oldes playable race they see that the Tauren holds great potential for good. Take for an example The Cenarion Circle, a conglomation (sp?) of night elf and tauren druids under the same banner. Night Elves are by no means evil, they can be arrogant and their hatred towards Undead is understandable because they despise all things demonic. As well is their hatred towards the Orcs that continually fell their forests..

Humans: Most people play humans because they are the easiest to identify with. I chose a Human as my character because I am a harcore alliance-fan since WarCraft 2. Not to mention great heroes like Anduin Lothar and Uther Lightbringer. I chose female because all the males look like.. crap. :lol:

As most players choose humans, this race also suffers the most bastards. You will see human paladins shouting "DIIIIEEEE" and then attack someone 5 levels below them. But to defend this, humans in Warcraft lore has had to put up with... alot. Remember that the humans from Stormwind are not the humans that allied with the Horde during the third war. These humans are locked in a time when the Horde was a force of evil. Three times they have had to see Stormwind razed by the Orcish Horde. If you ask me, they have every right to hate any race of the Horde.

Dwarfes: Stalwart allies of the Humans, these chaps will cling to their old allies until they sink with them. They are generally goodhearted but are hostile to anyone who encorach upon their lands unnannounced. Dwarves have fought the Horde for as long as the humans, so of course they share some of the Humans' hatred.

Gnomes: These guys are more concerned with their competition with the goblins than war it seems. ^^

- - -
The Horde - From a PvP-point-of-view

The Orcs: The most wide-ranged breed of personality within the Horde. I generally have no clue if he will attack or dance with me. As such you can say that those Orcs born during the new age are generally good guys, while some wish to restablish their dominance in Azeroth.

Trolls: These guys I have found to be generally good guys, the Troll Rogue will almost always dance with me than attack me. These guys seem like a jolly lot just wanting to carve out a piece for themselves..

The Undead: Typical assholes. The leet kids who wanna look mean goes with these ones. They are generally rogues, and they generally kill on sight. But there also alot of good undead players out there. As completely reverse to their background I have had many undead dance with me. But a warning to Undead players: When you choose this race, you choose to be evil. As a human you will be my mortal enemy, so dont get all confused about why I killed you even thou you waved.

Tauren:
Finally. The biggest bullies in the game. These guys are supposed to be good guys but believe me they are not. Every tauren shaman will kill you on sight. Ppl choose these guys because of their size; they wanna look scary. On my server there are no greater gankers than these, and as contrary to their peacful background I will kill them on sight just to be safe. The biggest gankers are the Tauren Shamans and the Undead Rogues.

[YoungGoretusk]

Thoughts from a lvl 60 Human Rogue (PvP):

The Night Elves: The Night Elves have allied with the Alliance out of necessity, even though I beileve they hold a stronger bond with the Taurens. As the oldes playable race they see that the Tauren holds great potential for good. Take for an example The Cenarion Circle, a conglomation (sp?) of night elf and tauren druids under the same banner. Night Elves are by no means evil, they can be arrogant and their hatred towards Undead is understandable because they despise all things demonic. As well is their hatred towards the Orcs that continually fell their forests..


[young goretusk comment:]I totally agree with you by that point

As most players choose humans, this race also suffers the most bastards.
[young goretusk comment:]lol


The Undead: Typical assholes.

[young goretusk comment:] youre mistaken! Ive seen many more evil humans than forsaken! I COMPLETELY disagree! You cant judge a whole class by some of em! Mostly homans are bastards, but I dont say all of em are bastards U cant judge all by 5!

Tauren:
Finally. The biggest bullies in the game. These guys are supposed to be good guys but believe me they are not. Every tauren shaman will kill you on sight. Ppl choose these guys because of their size; they wanna look scary. On my server there are no greater gankers than these, and as contrary to their peacful background I will kill them on sight just to be safe. The biggest gankers are the Tauren Shamans and the Undead Rogues.

[young goretusk comment:]Taurens are really nice guys! Make a tauren sometime! I play both horde and alliance. And taurens are actually the nicest horde IMO. IMO horde are MUCH more mature than alliance and if some are "bullies" and "typical assholes" then it is people who judge a WHOLE class by some of them.

[young goretusk comment:]Cya!

[koredump]

[young goretusk comment:]Taurens are really nice guys! Make a tauren sometime! I play both horde and alliance. And taurens are actually the nicest horde IMO. IMO horde are MUCH more mature than alliance and if some are "bullies" and "typical assholes" then it is people who judge a WHOLE class by some of them.

LMAO. Really it comes down to which server you play on. I've been playing Alliance since Beta and picked up my first Horde char. about 4 weeks ago. Tauren Shammy....what?! It follows after my favorite WC3 character, the loveable Cairn. Anyhow, before this, a friend of mine that started playing at release picked up his first Horde character about 2 months after release and went to Warsong. I couldn't believe how annoying the banter was when I watched him play. I had never seen more immature players on any of the 5 other servers I've had characters on. Just in case anyone missed it, I don't believe any one faction has more jerks than the other, they BOTH do. But different servers breed different social environments and that is where the true difference comes in. I do believe certain race/class combos tend to attract jerks, but I wouldn't label all or even most of them that way.

My 2 copper.

[MudorofLordaeron]

Well ive been playing for a month or so now on the Shadowsong server, and these are my views.

I have seen *ALL* races acting like idiots. As a general rule, if you want to fight me, for a start make sure we'd be honorable kills for each other, im *not* going to flag for someone 40 levels higher than me. Next, challenge me honorably, the best way so far is to just stand there and flag. None of this taunting and running around getting in my way hoping ill right click you by accident. Ill just yawn at you.

If you wave, salute or greet me in any way, i will return it. If you spit, i will ignore you, simple as that.

Probably the worst races for this ive seen are the humans and NEs. The dwarves are usually ok, and im yet to see a gnome act like this.
In turn im told that the undead are the worst, although my evidence for this is a little sketchy. No information as yet on tauren or trolls.

[Vikingkingq]

Just responding to the backstory comments.

The whole philisophical thread of the WoW universe,
from the Titans down to present day, is that no one
is 100% good or bad or even the same for any period
of time. The other main thread is that leaders will
either betray their people, sacrifice themselves for
their people, or be betrayed by their people. The
Titan charged with guarding the world from the Twisting
Nether became the head of the Burning Legion, the
queen of the Hiborne's addiction to magic destroyed
Kalimdor, Gul'dan and Nez'hul willingly corrupted their
entire race, the list goes on and on.

Each of the races has done something bad and something good.

Night Elves
Bad - meddling with magic invited the Burning Legion and caused the sundering
Good - saved the world from the Burning Legion the second time
by sacrificing their own immortality, generally protecting the
world from the incursion of demons, genuinly care about nature.

Humans
Bad - ran internment camps after the destruction of Draenor,
politcally unstable, elitist, and unreliable.
Good - saved High Elves from destruction by the Trolls,
protected their own from destruction by the Horde, arguably
responsible for freeing the Horde from their demonic corruption
by destroying Draenor.

Dwarves
Bad - not very good stewards of the world (but not the worst),
exiled 2/3rds of their people in a political dispute, which lead
to the corruption of 1/3 and the near-destruction of the other.
Good - reliably supported their allies in the alliance, even when
doing so was not in their own interests.

Gnomes - already been said

now, let's look at the Horde shall we?

Orcs -
Bad - can't entirely be held blameless for their
actions as the original Horde. Ner'zul and Gul'dan
willingly sold themselves and their people to evil.
Grom Hellscream and the other orc leaders ignored
the warnings of Durotan, and were happy to go
along with Gul'dan in exchange for power and prestige.
While in the Horde, massacred the draenei, attacked
Azeroth repeatedly, destroyed Stormwind, conscripted
other races into serving the Horde, enslaved the dragons,
participated in the destruction of Draenor, etc.
Good - saw the light, not as bad as they used to be.
Still, they aren't particularly great on environmental issues ;)

Forsaken
Bad - killed everyone in Lordaeron, killed all the High Elves,
trying to kill every other human in the world, etc.
Good - not mindless slaves anymore.

Trolls
Bad - actually, some of the least blameless of all of the races, except
the Tauren. Their part in the wars was unwilling, and in
fairness, the High Elves had stolen their land. On the other hand,
they are kinda passive.

Tauren
Bad - like the night elves, stayed aloof when people were getting slaughtered.
On the other hand, it wasn't really their fault; landlocked nomads find naval travel difficult.
Good - saved the orcs, generally cool people.

[NocturneNight]

I don't mean that every single Tauren is a bad player, but most are, on my server. Yeah I do belive it varies alot from servers. I'm gonna give horde a chance in the future, just wanted u to know what it's like for an Alliance. We suffer some heavy ganking as well ya'know! :happy05:

EDIT
Just remembered an ironical thing. Today, a friend in my guild got ganked and corpsecamped by Horde. Tauren Shaman and Undead Rogue! :happy53:

[Snugglz]

Dude Tauren have cultivation +15 to herbalism...they were meant to be big hippies.Personally i have a tauren shammy whos a alch/herb and damn hes all about pickin flowers n makin pot..err pots.We are definitly not evil but if you start it well finish it.

Rofl and ive never seen a tauren act like an asshole. I do agree people generally pick them for their size. I did not..Well actualy I did.

I have a Tauren shammy with a 2 handed axe !! OOH SCARY!AND HIS EVIL NAME IS....Snugglz!! For me I picked tauren because they seriously have never done anything bad. They are nomads so theyre generally neutral but they arent bad.

Its all about puttin flowers in your hair when your a 8 foot tall cow with a two handed axe named Snugglz... :happy34:

[YoungGoretusk]

I don't mean that every single Tauren is a bad player, but most are, on my server. Yeah I do belive it varies alot from servers. I'm gonna give horde a chance in the future, just wanted u to know what it's like for an Alliance. We suffer some heavy ganking as well ya'know! :happy05:

EDIT
Just remembered an ironical thing. Today, a friend in my guild got ganked and corpsecamped by Horde. Tauren Shaman and Undead Rogue! :happy53:
OK. Yeah servers are all very different. Especially PvE and PvP servers! Wierd things happen all the time^^ :happy14:

[YoungGoretusk]

[QUOTE=Snugglz]Dude Tauren have cultivation +15 to herbalism...they were meant to be big hippies.Personally i have a tauren shammy whos a alch/herb and damn hes all about pickin flowers n makin pot..err pots.We are definitly not evil but if you start it well finish it.

QUOTE]
Makin pot. haha!! Hippies :happy53: thats like the funniest thing ive like...heard this day :buddies:

[Snugglz]

Seriously guy, Tauren were meant to pick herbs and make funky juices and weird sm0ke!!

[YoungGoretusk]

Seriously guy, Tauren were meant to pick herbs and make funky juices and weird sm0ke!!haha...I guess your right^^ :buddies:

[koredump]

I have a Tauren shammy with a 2 handed axe !! OOH SCARY!AND HIS EVIL NAME IS....Snugglz!! For me I picked tauren because they seriously have never done anything bad. They are nomads so theyre generally neutral but they arent bad.

Actually, I like the rants that take the position that Thrall should've not gotten involved in the whole Centaur/Tauren fued. Sure, they had some similar spiritual beliefs, but how did Thrall know that maybe the Tauren were the oppressors for 100s of years and only at that time were the Centaur coming out to destroy their foes? Thrall meddled, really. So don't jump on the peace wagon yet, it's all a facade. :evil:

BTW, Cairn rulz.

[Snugglz]

Actualy (correct me if im wrong) but didnt cairne ask thrall and the orcs to aid them against the centaur and after they did they became allies ? :scratch:

[Snugglz]

OMG did you guys even notice the huge bowl's in the cairne's and some other random hut in TB? they have red smoke... :P

[koredump]

Actualy (correct me if im wrong) but didnt cairne ask thrall and the orcs to aid them against the centaur and after they did they became allies ? :scratch:
Well, that is what I'm saying. Thrall just jumped on board because of one circumstance. How did he know he was on the "right" side? I propose that the Centaur were under Tauren oppression and rose up against them. They would have defeated their oppressors except the Orcs meddled. Damn you Thrall, damn you straight to hades! :lol:

[Snugglz]

Lol sorry I play a Tauren and centaurs are jerks seriously..and they're ugly too. Atleast Tauren are sexy, I can prove it with "non stop" video from warcraftmovies.com

[Holymonkey]

The Undead are mostly hated for what they did in WarIII. But I don't see why, they were totally mindless slaves bound to the Lich King. They had no control over the terrible things they did to the humans/night elves/etc.

The forsaken are like the "reborn" orcs, except 100x more vengeful against the Burning Legion/Scourge for what they made them do. They only allied with the Horde to help get rid of the Scourge. Once the Scourge(or maybe if...the Lich King might not be defeated so easily) is eliminated (and the remnants of the humans in Lordaeron) I think the Forsaken will just break away from the Horde and keep to themselves. And the whole new-plague thing just seems like a way for the forsaken to get rid of the remnants of the ignorant humans(teh Scarlet Crusade mostly) that kill the Forsaken thinking they are just mindless undead.

[Flaargle]

Lol sorry I play a Tauren and centaurs are jerks seriously..and they're ugly too. Atleast Tauren are sexy, I can prove it with "non stop" video from warcraftmovies.com

noooooooooooooooooo..... that's just a wrong use for a staff :whistle:

[Snugglz]

The Undead are mostly hated for what they did in WarIII. But I don't see why, they were totally mindless slaves bound to the Lich King. They had no control over the terrible things they did to the humans/night elves/etc.

The forsaken are like the "reborn" orcs, except 100x more vengeful against the Burning Legion/Scourge for what they made them do. They only allied with the Horde to help get rid of the Scourge. Once the Scourge(or maybe if...the Lich King might not be defeated so easily) is eliminated (and the remnants of the humans in Lordaeron) I think the Forsaken will just break away from the Horde and keep to themselves. And the whole new-plague thing just seems like a way for the forsaken to get rid of the remnants of the ignorant humans(teh Scarlet Crusade mostly) that kill the Forsaken thinking they are just mindless undead.

Wrong I beleive, it even states in story that the only reason the forsaken allied with the horde is because they didn't want anymore enemies.I read nothing about them needing help from the horde.I doubt they need help from the horde anyways because they are making some funky disease thats gonna kill all the humans etc.

[Snugglz]

noooooooooooooooooo..... that's just a wrong use for a staff :whistle:

You know you liked it. I think Taurens have the best flirt too. It's leet.

[Holymonkey]

Wrong I beleive, it even states in story that the only reason the forsaken allied with the horde is because they didn't want anymore enemies.I read nothing about them needing help from the horde.I doubt they need help from the horde anyways because they are making some funky disease thats gonna kill all the humans etc.
From Blizzard:
To further their dark aims, the Forsaken have entered into an alliance of convenience with the primitive, brutish races of the Horde. Holding no real loyalty for their newfound comrades, the Forsaken have duped them into fighting against their common enemy - the Lich King.

[Vikingkingq]

The Undead are mostly hated for what they did in WarIII. But I don't see why, they were totally mindless slaves bound to the Lich King. They had no control over the terrible things they did to the humans/night elves/etc.

The forsaken are like the "reborn" orcs, except 100x more vengeful against the Burning Legion/Scourge for what they made them do. They only allied with the Horde to help get rid of the Scourge. Once the Scourge(or maybe if...the Lich King might not be defeated so easily) is eliminated (and the remnants of the humans in Lordaeron) I think the Forsaken will just break away from the Horde and keep to themselves. And the whole new-plague thing just seems like a way for the forsaken to get rid of the remnants of the ignorant humans(teh Scarlet Crusade mostly) that kill the Forsaken thinking they are just mindless undead.

Right...except that this new plague is going to kill of all of the humans
left on Azeroth. The fact that the Scarlet Crusade wants them dead
doesn't quite equal the scales, does it?

[YoungGoretusk]

Forsaken gal: I painted my nails, but I dunno where I dropped them :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[NocturneNight]

Well, that is what I'm saying. Thrall just jumped on board because of one circumstance. How did he know he was on the "right" side? I propose that the Centaur were under Tauren oppression and rose up against them. They would have defeated their oppressors except the Orcs meddled. Damn you Thrall, damn you straight to hades! :lol:

Well, if you played through the first mission in the Orc Campaign in Wc3, you should know that the Centaurs attacked Thrall's forces before they ran into the Tauren. Basically they got jumped by them all the time, and the Quillboars, before finally running into a much need ally, Cairn. The Centaurs also quickly became enemies with the humans. They are an evil race bent on murder and strife. Clear enough? Just do the quests for the Magram Clan in Desolace if you have further doubt. :P

As for the Forsaken: They are evil. They are no longer mindless slaves, but that's about it. They indeed strive to eliminate the rest of the Humans, and will most likely turn on the Horde if they succed.

[juxtapoz]

why is everyone playing alliance when the horde is so much cooler? any thoughts?...

Because we like the feeling of being wastly inferior to our opponent and still being able to beat the brains out of him.

and also becuase all my friends play sissy ass alliance, man i had to make a gnome. This because all other races are even more pathetic. HORDE FTW

[Lord_Shinnok]

why is everyone playing alliance when the horde is so much cooler? any thoughts?...

maybe because people have different ideas of what "cool" is. I like both sides but i tried alliance first and i'm happy with how things are going.

the only race i have no interest in creating is tauren. I'm sorry but i'm not into cows. moo

[Snugglz]

maybe because people have different ideas of what "cool" is. I like both sides but i tried alliance first and i'm happy with how things are going.

the only race i have no interest in creating is tauren. I'm sorry but i'm not into cows. moo

Tauren are NOT COWS, They are mystical creatures that similarly resemble a cow. But we are not cows.

[Lord_Shinnok]

Tauren are NOT COWS, They are mystical creatures that similarly resemble a cow. But we are not cows.

uh huh. say what you will but they still taste good with gravy on top.

[NocturneNight]

Tauren are NOT COWS, They are mystical creatures that similarly resemble a cow. But we are not cows.

Haha, what a desperate defensive! /moo :whistle:

[Av3nger]

Haha, what a desperate defensive! /moo :whistle:
AT least we're not green and smelly... :tongue10:

[TaurenMilkMan]

uh huh. say what you will but they still taste good with gravy on top.

Here's the beef.

[NocturneNight]

AT least we're not green and smelly... :tongue10:

What exacly is green and smelly on the alliance side? :happy34:

[TaurenMilkMan]

What exacly is green and smelly on the alliance side? :happy34:

Nothing but i can point some things that are purple and goofy-looking,or short and squishy...or short and hairy for that matter... :D :D

[Amrod]

well i play horde and alliance although i have to admit horde own alliance...

simple reasons
-better mounts
-look cooler!
-orgimmmar doesn't lag nearly as much as IF
-alliance are usually played by kids...or from what i have seen so far.
-also i'd say the most popular race is night elf on the realm am on anyways in the guild am in there 80% NE, 10% human, 5& gnome, 5% dwarf but on the horde guild there is a spread in races although hardly any orcs..orc are my fav :D

[NocturneNight]

Nothing but i can point some things that are purple and goofy-looking,or short and squishy...or short and hairy for that matter... :D :D

Well... Well ok. But theres nothing that really beats elven ears. I dare you! ^^

the guild am in there 80% NE, 10% human, 5& gnome, 5% dwarf but on the horde guild there is a spread in races although hardly any orcs..orc are my fav :D

Yes! Orcs are by far the coolest Horde race imo. Why oh why choose an Undead rogue when you can be a big beafy Orc? Combat-rogue Orcs = The coolest rogue in game imo.

And generally I'd like to see more Orcs because they are supposed to be the dominant faction within the Horde. And.. I like Orcs, always have. ^^

[Inuyasha Fan]

I like the Allience because in my opinion they are cooler. The Night Elves are the best and the coolest. I also play Horde and I don't hate it. Plus my friends play Allience and if I wanted to play Horde a lot more I would have to get them to play because this game to me is about having fun and I have the most fun with my friends.

[Frieza]

troll shaman all the way :happy34:

[TaurenMilkMan]

Well... Well ok. But theres nothing that really beats elven ears. I dare you! ^^



Yes! Orcs are by far the coolest Horde race imo. Why oh why choose an Undead rogue when you can be a big beafy Orc? Combat-rogue Orcs = The coolest rogue in game imo.

And generally I'd like to see more Orcs because they are supposed to be the dominant faction within the Horde. And.. I like Orcs, always have. ^^

Troll ears: longer and more pointy :D

Orcs look great especially for Warrior...very very nice race and the best dance (males)...imho tied evenly with human males :D

But i myself like Tauren the most...nothing like being a huge lumbering juggernaut that likes to pick flowers :D

[Flaargle]

But i myself like Tauren the most...nothing like being a huge lumbering juggernaut that likes to pick flowers :D

and don't forget the Electric slide ( male tauren Dance move ) ;)

[TaurenMilkMan]

and don't forget the Electric slide ( male tauren Dance move ) ;)

I always wondered what this dance was :D

[Flaargle]

I always wondered what this dance was :D

electric slide : the signature move of the "Godfather of Soul" himself,

"the one! :worship: the only! :worship:
the mean, lean, superfly dancing machine ..... Mr James Brown! :bow: "