Warcraft Lore - Trolls are important, why do many consider them a minor/weak race?

[UndeadTrollMon]

Im a n00b here, thought id share my thoughts with other sad people who know all the lore and stuff like me ;-)

Trolls are one of the most powerfull races on the face of Azeroth, the Forest Trolls alone were the opposite and equal of the High elves, and fought two of the most important wars in warcraft history against them...

The Forest Trolls had an empire which was brought down by Elves and Humans, creating a blood feud, and was the cause of the Burning Legion's second invasion, because they were so powerfull the Elves had to teach the humans magic, and their old lands extend all through Lorderon with Quel'Thalas built on top of an old holy city of theirs, making the Forsaken their new blood enemys - in addition they allied with the first hoard, making them important, in an attempt to reclaim Lorderon...

The Ice Trolls had much power, even rivaling the Dwarves who took their land (another blood feud), and have a large presence in Northrend, making them rivals/possible undead targets of the Lich King himself, and probably rivals of the mighty Nerubian Empire...

The Jungle Trolls have massive civilisation and ruins extending from the islands like the Echo Isles, Broken Isles, South Isles and the south of Azeroth (stranglethron), making them perhaps the most powerfull even greater than the forest ones, and they have allied with the second hoard and Thrall, they are most widespread being through the ocean and both continents. Jungle Troll lands are being invaded by humans, dwarves and goblins, making for some interesting rivalry.

Dark Trolls are present just about everywhere too but are primative (or so people think) and live in caves.

Also there is rumers of 'Desert Trolls'.

Collectively, Trolls have one of the most interesting historys, are EVERYWHERE, are an ancient culture in Azeroth, are equal to the elves at least in power, but have feuds and interests everywhere, making good mission/story oppertunity, are more warlike even than Orcs, have cool accents, aztec style ruins, and practice voodoo mon! So how come they are statistically the least played race!!!!!!!!???????? (At least PvP) and how come some people think of them as some minor people like the Pandarans ^^

Dunno about anyone else but id like to have a Troll guild, and try fighting the invaders from historic Troll lands :-)

Comments? :-)

EDIT: Just thought id mention, Trolls have all these classes in WC3 (as much as a 'major' race):

Troll Head Hunter
Troll Beserker
Troll Witch Doctor
Troll Batrider (Trolls should probably have bats as in game mounts too)
Troll Shadow Priest
Troll Priest
Troll High Priest
Troll Trapper
Troll Warlord
Troll Shadow Hunter (hero)

Voodoo Lounge

[Drakeon]

I play a troll shaman on the pvp server :D

Yea I like trolls too, they rule :)

Oh and according to the first war they had with the elves, the trolls were stronger then elves, as the elves needed the humans help to compete against the trolls.

I think the reason not too many people play them is because they don't like there looks, although I love them myself :)

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh I think their looks make them cool, although I intend on making an Undead charecter too (I actually like Orcs more, but dont want something too close to Troll), Trolls are cool as a vicious warrior people, with their voodoo stuff, I think blizzard has done a good job with their looks :-)

[Zann the Defender]

It is because that htey lost to humans and they have never re-orginized is why we view them as "weak". I for one believe that they are a strong race when they work together. They almost killed the High Elves, and possed threats to the Arathi clan, so they ARE strong.

[Viperx11]

They were strong. The Amani Empire (these are Forest Trolls I am pretty sure) almost wiped out the High Elves, but they enlisted the help of the Arathi humans. Near the Alterac Mountains, the combined force of Elves and Humans clashed with the troll warbands. As the humans held their ground, the Elven sorcerers and the limited amount of Human Magi unleashed fire spells on the Zul'Aman's armies. The trolls fled, and they were pursued, hunted down, and massacred.

They never recovered. Again, I think these are the Forest Trolls. The Ice Trolls had their own feud with the Dwarves, and they are still relatively strong I think. Now that the Troggs have began warring with the Gnomes and Dwarves in Dun Morogh, the Ice Trolls see an opportunity.

Dark Trolls I don't know much about...could someone fill me in on them?

And the Jungle Trolls...I believe the Darkspear Tribe/the trolls you play as in World of Warcraft, are Jungle trolls.

As for a 5th race of trolls, Desert Trolls, that sounds very interesting. The book "The Last Guardian" mentions a 5th race of trolls, and Khadgar searches Medivh's library but can't find any trace of a 5th race of trolls. I haven't finished the book, so don't ruin it for me whether or not he does eventually find it or anything.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh, I think they have the most potential for this reason - because their missions could be to unite and take back their ancient empires, etc.

If I formed a role playing Troll guild I would probably try to do this, raiding the land back from the Undead, Dwarves and Humans, maybe founding a city if ya can do that kinda thing.

EDIT: Interesting viper, I will try to get that book, as Trolls and Orcs are my favorite warcraft universe races. You are right, the forest Trolls are the Amani, and one of their abandoned holy cities was built on by the elves to make Quel Tahlas, which triggered the war, as for the Dark Trolls, from what ive found, they seem to be primative cave dwellers, with no civilisation unlike their surface couterparts, but still know voodoo, etc.

[Viperx11]

I wonder what some of the troll life quests will be.

[UndeadTrollMon]

I dont know what a life quest is, although I heard of it, the official beta site wasnt clear about it, is it race specific missions?

I really hope Trolls can get some really good missions, not just off Horde Trolls, but also travel to Stranglethron and get some off wild Jungle tribes, like 'Destroy Human Settlement' and stuff :-)

[Viperx11]

Life quests are being kept under wraps, probably because Blizzard doesn't want their storylines to get out.

Basically, as far as I know, they can be race specific, class specific, or both. They are epic quests that will sometimes take even months for you to complete, and they advance the Warcraft storyline and affect the entire world.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Wow, that sounds cool, Blizzard really do seem to be adressing all the bad things that other MMOs have suffered from, and this kinda class/race specific epic storytelling is what other MMOs have lacked.

Heres a bit more Troll stuff:

-The Frostmane Trolls, (probably a tribe of Ice, rather than a new tribe, or renaming, like Darkspear is a tribe of Jungle), once ruled over the frigid lands of Dun Morogh, only to have their empire fall to Dwarven armies. These tribal creatures were driven to the hills in retreat -- a shameful blow to their warring nature. With King Magni’s forces split between the Alliance Wars and quelling the Trogg invasion, the Frostmane Trolls have seized the opportunity to reclaim Dun Morogh in an attempt to restore the kingdom that crumbled under Dwarven might ages ago.

-The Jungle Trolls are dark, superstitious creatures who revel in the hunt and the rigors of personal combat. In ancient times, the Jungle Trolls reigned over the lands south of the Redridge Mountains. Though their glorious kingdoms have since fallen to ruin, they seek to reclaim the dark majesty of their former empire. Equipped with voodoo magics and unparalleled combat skills, these Trolls have become relentless in their efforts to reclaim their jungle homeland.

And this page is absolutle great:

http://wow.warcraftstrategy.com/lore_trolls.php -

Overview

Trolls are one of the most barbaric native species in the world of Azeroth. They are also one of the most diverse. With at least 4 races of Trolls known (Dark, Ice, Forest, Jungle) and a 5th that has been mentioned (Desert), but never confirmed, you can find a race of Trolls anywhere on Azeroth. Two of these Troll races have allied with the Horde at some point in time. During the Second War, it was the Forest Trolls of Zul'Aman. At present, the Jungle Trolls of the Darkspear Tribe are the Orcs' allies and have been since the start of the Third War.

Dark Trolls

A race known to live underground and in caves, Dark Trolls are very primative and extremely brutal. They are the largest and the rarest of the different Troll species. They could even be considered nocturnal since they come out mostly at night for their hunts. Pure strength is the most revered trait of Dark Trolls. Their shamans practice voodoo and spirit magic similar to their Jungle Troll cousins. Recently, much of the Goblins' inventory has been supplied by the Dark Trolls' pirate raids on the caravans travelling through Ashenvale Forest and Felwood.

Ice Trolls

Ice Trolls prefer cold and frigid environments, most notably the mountains of Dun Morogh and the continent of Northrend. The Frostmane tribe once had a great empire over Dun Morogh, which makes them one of only two Troll species to ever have a truely unified empire. However, this empire fell when the Dwarven armies invaded and claimed Dun Morogh and all of Khaz Modan as their own. This defeat had a horrible affect on morale as they, like all Trolls, are a war-like species. Now scattered throughout the hills of Dun Morogh, the Frostmanes wait for the right time to strike at the Dwarves to reclaim their kingdom. This makes the current world events seem very fortuitous to the Frostmanes as the Dwarves are now dealing with new archelogical endeavors as well as fending off a Trogg invasion.

Forest Trolls

This race of Trolls is found in the most obvious of places, forests. Namely the forests of Lordaeron. They show a strong hatred for all other races. Most of their hatred is geared towards the High Elves of Quel'thalas. The Forest Trolls had lived in Zul'Aman for several thousand years before the Great Sundering. Soon after the Great Sundering the high-borne survivors of the Night Elves that were outcast landed on their shores claiming them as their own and founding Quel'thalas. War ensued between the two races for a considerable amount of time.
World of Warcraft Lore

In order to gain the upper hand after years of the struggle, the High Elves made an agreement with the Humans of Lordaeron (who at the time were under the flag of the Arathor Emprie). They would teach the Humans their arcane magics if the Humans would aid them against the Forest Trolls. This led to many defeats for the Forest Trolls and they became desperate. Holding out for as long as they could, one day fate went in their favor. The Orcs had come to Azeroth by way of the Dark Portal. After winning many battles in the nation of Stormwind, the Orcs moved north. In an attempt to turn the tide against the High Elves, the Trolls allied with the Orcs after seeing their formidable might. This is a rarity for Forest Trolls as they only ally with others when a greater enemy can be destroyed.
World of Warcraft Lore

Although this alliance between the Orcs and Trolls did help their cause, ultimately the Second War was lost to the Alliance. The Forest Trolls no longer seeing a benefit of staying with the Horde left the Orcs to rot in the Human controlled internment camps.

Little is known about the Forest Trolls' current plans and most assume they have gone back to their barbaric, tribal ways. Now that the High Elven kingdom of Quel'thalas is gone and controlled by the Undead, the Trolls may have little hope of gaining back the ancestral land that is rightfully theirs. Along with losing their land, they have lost all chances of establishing their own kingdom, something they have wanted for many millenia.

Jungle Trolls

Before the First War ever began, even before the Quel'dorei invasion of the Forest Trolls lands...the Jungle Trolls of Stranglethorn Vale maintained and empire that covered the southern reaches of Azeroth. This great empire was no fluke as they are easily the most civilized species of Trolls. However, their great empire has fallen long ago for as of yet unknown reasons. All Jungle Trolls seek a common goal to reclaim their lands and reforge their mighty civilization.

Within their current social structure, tribes are all lead by the most powerful warriors and bloodlines are strongly held on to. The laws and traditions of the Jungle Troll tribes are watched over and enforced by their Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. All matters will take into consideration the honor of the inividuals, the family, the tribe, and the troll species as a whole. Those deserving punishment may be ritually scarred or worse; however, this is always secondary to the loss of honor.

A unique aspect of the Jungle Trolls is their use of voodoo magics. When a Troll dies it is given power over a certain aspect of nature...such as plants, animals, storms, etc. When the Witch Doctors cast spells it is said the spirits of past Trolls are aiding them. Witch Doctors adorn themselves with elaborate outfits and painted symbols when performing one of the many lengthy rituals of the Junlge Trolls. There is a ritual for almost any conceivable event.

With their honorable and proud ways, the Jungle Trolls are a great addition for the new Horde. While escaping the internment camps of the Humans, Thrall and his Orcs crashed on some islands near Kalimdor and the Maelstrom. There he found the Troll, Sen'jin, who lead a band of isolated Jungle Trolls. After dealing with their Human pursuers, a band of Murlocs rose and took them all prisoner. They were to be sacrifices for their evil goddess, a Sea Witch. After breaking free of their prison, Thrall escaped with his Orcs and several of the Trolls from the island. However, in the final battle with the Murlocs, Sen'jin lost his life.

Taking these Troll refugees with him the rest of the way to Kalimdor, Thrall begin a new alliance with Trolls. The rest of the Darkspear Tribe lived on the Echo Isles. After the Battle of Mt. Hyjal, Thrall set to work on founding the new Orc nation of Durotar. A new peace had been brokered with the Humans lead by Jania Proudmoore living on Theramore Isle. This peace did not last for long. A new Human threat had been seen landing on the shores of Durotar...

In addition to this raiding party, an armada attacked the Echo Isles and the Darkspear Tribe of Trolls lead by Vol'jin, who had to be evacuated to Orgrimmar. The Orcs helpfulness in the Trolls time of need only solidified their alliance, and engraved upon the Trolls the new enemy they had in the Humans. What is to come next in the Horde's plight is unknown.

[Viperx11]

Good stuff, almost makes me want to play the trolls. Each race seems to have an overarching theme, as to what some of their life quests will be about. No doubt, the Forsaken will have life quests involving the creation of a new plague, the Dwarves will have life quests about archaelogy and their groundbreaking new discoveries, the Humans will have life quests about the traitors within the kingdom (perhaps Lord Prestor is one of these...seeing as he is Deathwing), etc. I am merely suggesting these, of course, but they seem logical.

Thing is, I can't seem to figure out what the trolls theme is. HOWEVER, that information you just provided helps. It mentions the Jungle Trolls used to have a mighty civilization, and they seek to reestablish it? There you go. They could have something to do with the trolls reestablishing a new empire, and maybe even getting their own starting city sometime during World of Warcraft. Kind of like the Gnomes...I see, eventually, Gnomeragan being retaken and that being the Gnome starting city.

What do you guys think of all these theories? Man I cant wait for this game.

One contradiction: that information you posted mentions the Forest and Ice trolls as being the only ones to ever truly have a unified empire. Yet it mentions that the Jungle trolls have had a mighty civilization in the past, and that they seek to re-establish it. Hmm?

BTW, makes sense that Jungle trolls are the most civilized, seeing as Thrall allied with them. He would never ally with such a race like Forest or Dark trolls, who are terribly brutal. In Warcraft 3, the prologue campaign, he makes a comment "Forest trolls...I cant believe they were ever part of the Horde."

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh, I notaced that too, I think the guy was either wrong or was implying that Forest Trolls were never unified, which cant be correct I dont think.

So there is three Troll civilisations, one primative one and another which isnt well known, but if it is 'desert' it must be based in Kalimdor I guess, seeing as there is plenty of deserts there.

I personally hope the life quest is indeed the estabilsment of the old empire again, but if the capital was in Stranglethorn, then would it be good to have two Horde cities on Azeroth/Lorderon and no ally ones on kalimdor (apart from the night elf one I guess, and maybe the island port from the expansion). This makes Trolls the most appealing in my opinion, because who else has so much unexplored history out of the other races?

On a side note, I see the Trolls as having this sorta political alignment:

-Friendly: Orc, Tauren, (due to Horde alliance and warrior ways)

-Neutral: Forsaken, others, (because forsaken cant be trusted, use un-natural necromancy, and are occupying Forest Troll lands, but are still part of the Horde)

-Hostile: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Goblins, Murloc, etc, (because humans allied with elves to for magic in the ancient wars and invade Forest/Jungle Troll land, elves are the ancient blood enemys of Forest Trolls, dwarves have Ice Troll lands, goblins have been intruding on Jungle Troll stranglethorn, etc)

[Grond_HellHammer]

man, now i love trolls lol, orcs are my fav. always have been, always will be, i love orcs in any form. i love LOTR, both book and movie and i loved the orcs there, but now i HAVE to play a troll, i want to retake some of that taken land, the only thing i dont like about trolls is the nose, i hate long noses lol but everything is cool, the tusks, the mohawks, sigh, wish my hawk was that cool lol, a quick question tho about the noses, how do the trolls wear voodoo masks, thier noses are like a foot long and no voodoo mask i have ever seen has a nose hole, do they cut part of thier noses off?

but anyway, GREAT job on the troll info, i really want to play a troll now, thank you lol

[adubs745]

Honestly, I think the reason that trolls are so unpopular is just the fact that the playable ones are Jungle Trolls (Darkspear Tribe). Unfortunately, the Jungle Trolls are physically the least intimidating and least cool-looking of the various troll types. I love trolls, but it's just unfortunate to have to play a tall, lanky, crouching whacko. I think people much rather prefer the forest trolls from Warcraft II - giant berserkers just as strong and muscular as the orcs and even taller to boot. Before trolls were even announced as a playable race I remember people screaming to have them implemented. But once blizzard announced them, fervor and support for them died down quite a bit. Feel free to disagree, but I think was because blizzard chose the least interesting sect of trolls to be playable. (I mean, come on, the Darkspear tribe was defeated by MURLOCS OF ALL THINGS. THEY ARE JUST PLAIN WEAK!!).

[Grond_HellHammer]

Honestly, I think the reason that trolls are so unpopular is just the fact that the playable ones are Jungle Trolls (Darkspear Tribe). Unfortunately, the Jungle Trolls are physically the least intimidating and least cool-looking of the various troll types. I love trolls, but it's just unfortunate to have to play a tall, lanky, crouching whacko. I think people much rather prefer the forest trolls from Warcraft II - giant berserkers just as strong and muscular as the orcs and even taller to boot. Before trolls were even announced as a playable race I remember people screaming to have them implemented. But once blizzard announced them, fervor and support for them died down quite a bit. Feel free to disagree, but I think was because blizzard chose the least interesting sect of trolls to be playable. (I mean, come on, the Darkspear tribe was defeated by MURLOCS OF ALL THINGS. THEY ARE JUST PLAIN WEAK!!).


i disagree, im glad that they are thiner than orcs, just look at the 4 horde races
orcs=HUGE, strong, big big muscles
taurens= even bigger than orcs, stronger than orcs, big big big muscles
trolls, taller than orcs, but shorter than tauren, QUICKER than all other races, besides elves
undead= well just decayed human matter

im glad they are weaker than the orcs, i dont want all huge body building monsters on my team, i would like a smaller, quick, witty, back stab type race

and there were a lot of merlocs thank you, the trolls were tired anyway, it was a troll holiday, um the holiday was called Vil'Sennin'a'Hon, its like chirstmas, only a troll christmas, that lasts about a week, and your not allowed to fight fish people during a troll holiday, its a troll rule, so yea, thats why they needed help, if thrall had been a few days late the trolls whould have taken care of everything i swear.

[ThunderHorn]

Why do people not like trolls?

Simple: Who wouldn't be envious of punk rocker, velociraptor riding, jamaican, big bad voodoo making, elf bashing blue dudes in studded leather :flip: :flip: :flip:

[Joro]

Well first of all i gotta say that its to bad that blizzard choose gnomes over goblins.... or why they didnt choose both...

Anyway.. trolls are probably the coolest race on the horde side.. They also fit many diffrent classes. Orcs would come as number two on my list... i only see them as warriors... making em kinda boring.

I'm gonna create troll guild when the game is let out on the market!

[Grond_HellHammer]

Well first of all i gotta say that its to bad that blizzard choose gnomes over goblins.... or why they didnt choose both...

Anyway.. trolls are probably the coolest race on the horde side.. They also fit many diffrent classes. Orcs would come as number two on my list... i only see them as warriors... making em kinda boring.

I'm gonna create troll guild when the game is let out on the market!

I'm a solo kinda player but i would join a troll guild in a heartbeat, it would rule trying to take back the troll lands, that is if thats the life quest for trolls or whatever. I CALL HUNTER Lol

[UndeadTrollMon]

Joro, I might get in touch with you if ya wanna make a Troll guild ;-)

Grond_HellHammer, im glad my Troll info interested tyou so much, and I love the Orcs too, probably about equal to Trolls, cos ive always liked Orcs whether its Tolkien, D&D or Warhammer 40,000, and other similar peoples like Klingons and stuff lol, but when I first saw Trolls in warcraft that were different from lame D&D ones, etc and had cool accents, and a cool history, I was hooked :-)

I agree with your assesment of Trolls, they are meant to be speedy and muscular, wearing no armor, as opposed to slow and muscular tanks like orks are, and this dosnet make them any less warrior, because they are simply fast deadly fighters rather than ones that take punishment and slowly kill.

I cant wait for the European release, im gonna create a guild now and then impliment it when I get the game, lol, ill give you details if any of you want to be the first members, im thinking something that combines the traditional culture of the trolls with modern revolutionary stuff, so like vengance tribe or summin.

[Grond_HellHammer]

just a quick question, does anyone know what happens to the trolls nose when he puts on a voodoo mask, lol its kinda buggin me know, i have to find out if its cut off or if it just gets scrunched down? it know its dumb but hey, its something to talk about lol

[adubs745]

i disagree, im glad that they are thiner than orcs, just look at the 4 horde races
orcs=HUGE, strong, big big muscles
taurens= even bigger than orcs, stronger than orcs, big big big muscles
trolls, taller than orcs, but shorter than tauren, QUICKER than all other races, besides elves
undead= well just decayed human matter

im glad they are weaker than the orcs, i dont want all huge body building monsters on my team, i would like a smaller, quick, witty, back stab type race

and there were a lot of merlocs thank you, the trolls were tired anyway, it was a troll holiday, um the holiday was called Vil'Sennin'a'Hon, its like chirstmas, only a troll christmas, that lasts about a week, and your not allowed to fight fish people during a troll holiday, its a troll rule, so yea, thats why they needed help, if thrall had been a few days late the trolls whould have taken care of everything i swear.

Oh yeah, I agree with this too. On the part of Blizzard, it was a good decision to use the Darkspear Trolls as a race to add diversity to the big muscular Horde races. All I'm saying is that I think most fans of trolls (I'd count myself as a huge troll fan) were more enticed with the larger, more bloodthirsty berserker variants, not the slim, sleek Jungle kind that seem like a new interpretation of trolls in WoW. Blizzard made a good decision, but I'm sure many troll fans were much more interested in the rampaging berserker Zul'Jin guys.

And all that nonsense about a troll holiday is funny...but then depressing. The fact is, the Darkspear tribe (whether on holiday or not) couldn't fight off a few fish. They had to be rescued. I.E. they are the weakest tribe of trolls in Warcraft History and deserved what those fish had to bring them. No true troll would ever succumb to weakness and the need for rescue. NOT ONE.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh well Thrall didnt exactly do to well himself against the Murlocs, he was captured, and had the aid of the Trolls, not just the Horde. Murlocs are a dangerous enemy like any other, and seem to be present everywhere in large numbers. Naga arnt exactly much better than Murlocs despite their history, yet they have created quite an impact.

[Malibu, CA]

the only horde race i want is tauren

[Viperx11]

Joro, why the hell would they put in goblins? Goblins are neutral by nature, they make a better profit that way.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh, I think tons of people want Goblins back in the horde because they are used to all the greenskins together like in LOTR or summin, but this is warcraft, and Goblins are neutral, and would probably upset the balance/screw with the history, seeing as they were non-aligned in WC3.

[Vanguard]

just a quick question, does anyone know what happens to the trolls nose when he puts on a voodoo mask, lol its kinda buggin me know, i have to find out if its cut off or if it just gets scrunched down? it know its dumb but hey, its something to talk about lol

Probably just cut a hole in it and let it out.

[Joro]

now this is a little oftopic .. but i started it so anyway ... ;)

There are alot of people playing gnomes on the allied side.. just couse they are small and cute/cool.. I also wanna play a small, cool race.. But i dont wanna be on the good guys side..

I belive that the diffrent types of races are bigger in the allied side.. The horde side only got big, strong (stupid) races.. a goblin race would change all that!

[Viperx11]

First of all, neither the Alliance or the Horde is evil. Neither of them. No. Neither is evil. I don't know where you got that they are evil.

Second, you claim the Horde only has big, stupid races? I'll give you that they are more savage and brutal, but not stupid. I don't know where you got that assumption either.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yeh the Horde is probably equal in intelligence to the Alliance, and isnt any more evil.

[Apollo]

The Tauren are the wisest race anyway. Night Elves come second but that's only because they have learned from their mistakes. Intelligence seems to be measured differently in the Alliance and the Horde anyway, so it's hard to compare. Dwarves and Gnomes are incredibly resourceful, Humans are highly versatile and able to adapt quickly, Trolls are cunning and wily - they have to outwit prey in hunts and their enemies in battles, Forsaken are the same as humans. Last of all, you have Orcs which are er...um...well...Thralls not dumb but if you think about it he was raised by humans, and he seems to be an exception to the Orcs.

[Viperx11]

The orcs aren't dumb at all. Just look at their Shamans. Sure, they're brutish and savage, but in a good way, if you will. They are more of a proud warrior race now, and are no more evil these days than humans.

[Wickedly_Evil]

Gnomes are the only weak race in WoW at the moment.

[OverKill]

Joro, why the hell would they put in goblins? Goblins are neutral by nature, they make a better profit that way.

Goblins aren't always neutral. They were with the Horde in WarCraft II after all.
Even now I would imagine that they're more Horde sided. The Alliance basically hates every race besides their own. Even their own. That's why they killed so many Elves... Filthy Dwarves and Humans! Gnomes probably didn't have much to do with it but they're not helping the problem because their homeland is gone and they're dependant of the Dwarves now.

[Grond_HellHammer]

Probably just cut a hole in it and let it out.

yea, that would be the smartest thing but all the voodoo masks ive seen, there is no huge nose sticking out, its always flat. thats y im asking.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Trolls have floppy noses ;-)

As for this whole intelligence thing, there is no comparison, all of the major races are equally as intelligent in different fields, whether its the Orc warrior philosophy or the complex Troll religion...

On this planet people in the past have had their views screwed by rascism and stuff into beliveing that other cultures than the west are less advanced, when infact the east has produced 100 times the culture and philosophy, so it is unwise to judge these fictional peoples in the same way even though they are based on comic steriotypes and stuff, the average Troll Head Hunter is as intellegent as the average human grunt, and the average Troll Shadow Hunter is just as clever as any Elf High Druid.

None of these races are totoally good or evil either, just as in real life, the humans have their evil 'means to an ends' philosophy and imperialistic greed, and the Trolls/Orcs/etc have a good and honourable side to them.

[theseus]

The horde side only got big, strong (stupid) races

Wrong wrong and wrong. Look at the humans, they haven't acted smart at all. And neither have the dwarves, just read the blizzard history and find out! on the other hand, trolls are cunning and crafty, tauren are wise, and orcs now are much smarter without the demons blood. the Fosaken are also clever, they are the ones who look like theyr're going to win if you ask me, with their plague

[Zann the Defender]

Trolls are cunning, Taurens are wise, strong, and proud, orcs are becomming wiser and wiser, and keeping their strength, and the Forsaken are humans returned from death, and are making a plague. I call that an improvement to the horde, and they are definetly not stupid or evil.

Also alliance is neither, Dwarves and gnomes are innovative, intellegent, and are good at making stuff, Humans adaapt to situations quickly, and the Night Elves are peace loving druids who are about as wise (more or less) as the Taurens.

If any one is evil in the game, it is Arthas (lich king), Sargeras, and Kil'jaeden along with the rest of the burning legion.

[Viperx11]

Everyone is stuck on the idea that because the Forsaken seek to eradicate their enemy, the humans, that they are evil. They ignore the fact that the humans would do the same to the Forsaken.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Exactly, the alliance is hardly the most ethically correct bunch, and many of their commanders have attitudes like that of Jaina Proudmoore's father. Lots of intelligent humans and dwarves etc are power hungy imperialists, the night elves seem to brand entire races as worthy of eradication pretty easily, the dwarves are colonialist and have invaded native troll lands, the gnomes may be the most honourable out of all the alliance.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Just thought id get the thread back on topic with a bit more Troll info, for those who love these guys :-P

More General Info:

(Some of this is probably speculation, like about Trolls hating all other races, and the Darkspears having any presence in Stranglethorn......)


History-

Deep within the numerous islands of South Seas dwell the dark and superstitious beings known as Jungle Trolls. Though not much is known about the history of the Trolls; we do know that in ages past, a Troll tribe known as the Darkspear lorded over the lands of Stranglethorn Vale. Their kingdom has long since fallen, and like many of the races of Azeroth, they desire to reclaim that lost glory.

Though the Trolls have a hatred for all beings, the Darkspear tribe was forced to overcome these prejudices when they encountered Thrall and his Mighty Horde. The Darkspear tribe was in the process of being wiped out by the aquatic beings known as Murlocs, when Thrall and his soldiers came to the rescue. In return for this deed the Darkspear tribe swore an oath of eternal allegiance to the Horde.

Characteristics-

Trolls in general, are tall and muscular, with large tusks jutting from their mouths. Their skin can range from a light sky blue, to a dark, almost purple, blue. Their manes come in a variety of colors, ranging from green to purple. Trolls are suited more for quick and dirty combat unlike their Orc and Tauren brothers.

Lifestyle-

The Trolls live in a tribal society, led by the cunning Shadow Hunter, Vol’jin. In general, the Troll thirst for war and proficiency in battle has often led them to be mercenaries to the highest bidder. Currently the Darkspear tribe owes allegiance to the Horde, and they are not ones to break their bond. Their society is based on superstitious beliefs, and black magic. The Darkspear Trolls makes their home in Durotar along with their Orcish allies in the village of Sen’jin, which is named after their fallen tribal elder and rests on the harsh rocky eastern coast. The Darkspear tribe also calls home to the nearby lush jungles of the Echo Isles.

Technology-

Unlike the Humans and Dwarfs who rely on technology, the Trolls are wilderness survivors, and given the most rudimentary of supplies they can fashion base camps. Though they may live in “crude” quarters, their smiths are able to fashion the deadliest of weapons.

The Art of War

The Trolls, like the Orcs, favor a much more offensive stance in combat than the other races. When facing a Troll you will merely see a torrent of voodoo magic or spears thrown your way. The Trolls are indeed peerless when it comes to ferocity.


Warcraft 3 Troll Units:

Horde (Jungle Trolls) - http://www.battle.net/war3/orc/units/

Dark Trolls - http://www.battle.net/war3/neutral/darktrolls.shtml

Ice Trolls - http://www.battle.net/war3/neutral/icetrolls.shtml

Forest Trolls - http://www.battle.net/war3/neutral/foresttrolls.shtml

Total Troll Units (Not inc Voodoo Lounge & Huts, etc): 5+6+6+6 = 23 !!! :-)

Thats like 3 times more than any other race in the game I think......


Three of the World Of Warcraft Troll classes:

Warrior - http://wow.stratics.com/content/statistics/classes/trollwarrior.php
Priest - http://wow.stratics.com/content/statistics/classes/trollpriest.php
Rogue (Troll pirates might be cool lol) http://wow.stratics.com/content/statistics/classes/trollrogue.php


Also some interesting links:

Official Jungle Troll description with media: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/beastiary/jungletroll.shtml

Official description of Ice Troll Frostmane Tribe, and their war with the Dwarves: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/beastiary/frostmanetroll.shtml

Cos of these guys, the Frostmane have an advantage over the Dwarves: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/beastiary/rockjawtrogg.shtml

Official description of Stranglethorn with screens, art and music: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/stranglethorn.shtml

Official description of Dun Morogh, yet another land waiting to be reclaimed by the timeless might of the Trolls: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/dunmorogh.shtml

Probably the first Troll clan, although they seem to accept all Horde races exept Undead: http://blackmoontribe.wow-ra.com/main.html

Another general Horde guild in the Troll land of Stranglethorn: http://www.wosguild.com/


And heres the Troll mount, definatly the most vicious and deadly in the game, its a Jurassic Park style velocoraptor !!! lol - http://blizzard.com/misc/e3/2004/wow/images/screens/Troll-on-Raptor-Mount.jpg

Hopefully sticking with WC3, the Troll air mount will be a vampire bat...... I imagine that because Trolls are naturally fast, and suited for fast attack, these mounts will be pretty speedy.....


Known Jungle Troll ruins in Stranglethorn, and other sites, from the Goblin Workshop, which has documented so much stuff:

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ruins-of-aboraz.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ruins-of-jubuwal.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ruins-of-zulkunda.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ruins-of-zulmamwe.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ziatajal-ruins.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/zuuldaia-ruins.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/gillijims-isle.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/tkashi-ruins.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/mizjah-ruins.html
http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/ballal-ruins.html

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/gromgol-base-camp.html - Horde base camp in Stranglethorn

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/senjin-village.html - The Troll town in Durotar

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/darkspear-strand.html - Between the town and Echo Isles

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/echo-isles.html - Echo Isles

http://www.goblinworkshop.com/areas/frostmane-hold.html - Frostmane stronghold

Wow, this thread is like number one resource on these guys now ;-)

[Viperx11]

For the troll flying mount, I think it depends.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Well, if other races can use eagles and stuff to get around, I think vicious looking vampire bats would suit Trolls pretty well, Blizzard are good at styleizing these things so they dont look out of place.

[Viperx11]

Thing is, the flying mounts aren't race specific. They're faction specific. For example: if a troll leaves Orgrimmar, he'll fly a Wyvern. If he leaves the Undercity, he flies a Bat.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Ah didnt know that, hopefully the faction specific stuff will reflect Trolls, i.e. Bats from Troll towns and stuff.....

[Drakeon]

Poor trolls, they don't have any towns big enough to have air mounts in them. The only town they have, if you can call it that, is Sen'Jin Villiage which is right next to the orc/troll starting area. They sell rraptors and train people for raptors there, so I assume its the "main" troll town, even though it is SO tiny.

Granted theres trolls with orcs, tauren and undead in outposts usually, but never by themselves.

[Viperx11]

Just wait until they reestablish an empire in Stranglethorn Vale, about 6 months after WoW's release. :)

[Drakeon]

Stranglethorn is overrun with goblins from what I hear (havent been there myself yet, as im not high enough).

It'd be nice for them to be in southern azeroth, or have a city there.

[Viperx11]

Seeing as that is where their ancient empire stood, I bet that's where it'll be. They'll construct a city and it'll be the troll starting location.

Trust me! :p

[UndeadTrollMon]

Im not sure about starting location, as thats a higher level area, but certainly I hope there will be a city re-established there that needs defending against Goblins and Stormwind. Currently the Goblins have set up some sorta operation in Stranglethron that need cleansing ;-)

I wouldnt worry about Sen'jin being so small..... Currently Sen'jin Village reflects the power of the Darkspear Tribe ONLY, not the entire race of Jungle Trolls, who must have numerous larger settlements throughout the southern hemisphere, i.e. Echo Isles, South Isles, Broken Isles, Stranglethron, etc...... As for the rest of the Troll peoples, I bet there are some pretty large Forest and Ice Troll cities out there. Just look at the amount of ruins anyway, they are still Troll sites, so in a way we have more massive cities than the rest of the Horde :-)

Also I hope the Jungle Trolls will be able to help out the Frostmane in taking back the Dwarven city, I plan on raiding Khaz Modan, whether the Ice Trolls want my help or not :-D

[theseus]

Awesome troll post UndeadTrollmon, without equals, absoluty stunning

[UndeadTrollMon]

Wow thanks :-)

Ive kinda made this thread into a notebook on Trolls for anyone interested, and plan to include all this info on my guild site soon as I make one ;-)

[Grendel Rose]

Yes it's quite nice, I didn't know all of this stuff about trolls prior, although I've always liked them. Very nice work.

[Zann the Defender]

You makin a guild? Are you going to try to make a "Troll Clan". That would be kewl to see troll people go around with Blood Axe tribe under their names.

[ratbert]

Awesome troll post UndeadTrollmon, without equals, absoluty stunning

I totally agree! This thread has convinced me that I'm troll at heart. Way to go Trollmon :thumbsup:

Be sure to post more about your guild when it's comming around. I'm thinking maybe I should apply... :scratch:

[Satelliteyears0o]

gj home-aye u opened up a new eye for me on trolls. I didnt really realize how much info they had.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Soon as I make this guild (although it will be hard being a leader when I have to wait for European release) I will post it here, and any of you guys would be more than welcome, so cheack otu this thread whenever its updated.

I plan to structure my guild like this:

Me Kinda Spiritual Leader, who writes a lot and runs a site and stuff, and hangs around being a kinda 'Thrall' type (Like Troll tribes have :-P)
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My general, who will be in charge of all party based raiding and PvP wars (this will be like a real good post for anyone who wants to sign up, but they must have a good grasp of warfare stuff, and be powerfull charecter) (reading of Sun Tzu's The Art Of War is compulsory ;-)
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6 head dudes who are given a title because they are the most high level of each class that a troll can play (dunno bout 'hero classes') maybe they can help out some newbies or train peeps if thats possible
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the rest of the tribe, only Trolls welcome :-D

and the rules will be like this-

-the tribe is for all people, rpgers, pvPers, pvEers, etc
-no alliance with anyone but orc and tauren (we dont trust undead ;-)
-casual play, nobody HAS to take part in high level raids or warfare...
-the objective of the tribe is to retake stranglethrong, and all jugle troll land, plus, raid the dwarves on behalf of the frostmane, plus raid lorderon on behalf od forest trolls (peeps should do missions for NPC trolls more)
-our allies are other player tribes, the darkspear tribe, frostmane tribe, the horde (exept undead), and all trolls

So basically, there are positions open for 7 leaders, one for each class, plus one general who will be the war leader of the clan and have the troll title 'warlord' and any others (this is an equal oppertunity guild, despite having a leaderhsip, so serving dosent make you a grunt or ote, and anyone who is the highest level can take the highest class positions)

You can apply now, but I wont even have the game until euro release (unless ive got the beta - unlikely) and also I planned on doing a bit of solo work before making the guild, but we can all do that anyway I guess, even after the guild is up - aditionally, although im gonna make a site with tonnes of lore, i might need a l33t web designer on the team

Im looking for ten people even now I guess, and we can get to know each other on IRC chat or summin (it might help if we were all in europe, but not a requirement)

send me a private message if you are geuninely interested, and are gonna definatly have a troll charecter, and the game pronto, i need at least 10 people to start the clan, there will be no limit, but at first i might limit it to this ten.....

[TheCrawlingChaos]

Im not going to play a troll right at the start. However, my fourth alt or something could be a troll.
Im just posting to say that, according to Sun Tzu in The Art of War, the best battle is the one that doesnt happen. So, if your Warlord follows Tzu's teachings you are going to have way more alliance discussions than real battles and raids.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Seeing as the only way the Trolls arnt going to fight is if the alliance gives back the lands, I guess Sun Tzu's philosophy still applies ;-)

Besides, us Trolls arnt looking to be the good guys......

[Satelliteyears0o]

sounds interesting, hit me up one day ill help u guys out with my guild.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Cool, I think im gonna need all the help I can get, cos this is my first guild, although ive been part of guilds, shooter clans and an eve-online corporation in the past.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Update on the Tribe:

Currently three founding members, or 'Tribal Elders', myself, Toften and ratbert!

Current contact info for guild members, k.stromiyer@btopenworld.com for me, this thread ;-), and IRC channels #512hq and #boomshaka on the quakenet servers.....

Im really suprised/happy that ive managed to find members so quickly, at this rate our guild would be like no1. for Trolls ;-)

EDIT: mIRC can be found here http://www.mirc.com/ and all you need to do to set it up is in file>options, in the first tab, select one of the Quakenet servers, then connect, and type /join #512hq or #boomshaka (512hq has a couple of my friends on it most of the time, although they are afk, and boomshaka is the tempoary guild channel, so just keep in online in the background as long as you computer is on).....

[TheCrawlingChaos]

Hey, there is a Guild section in wow.net page, there is not?
Dont take me wrong, I think you should keep posting here as you are doing, but perhaps you could look into the guild part of the site.
I think it would be cool if you could enlist a beta test to do your bidding and found your guild still in the beta. Some of the guilds that are going to existe in release are already in the game.

Wish you trolls good luck, even tough Im going to play an Forsaken as my first horde char.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Thanks crawlingchaos :-) and ive done a recruitment thing in the guild section, I was only really mentioning it here, seeing as its about Trolls ;-)

I might as well say, here is the recruitment for the guild thread: http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=228672

Ill post whatever good stuff I can find on Trolls whenever I can.....

[Viperx11]

My first character will be a human Paladin, troll scum.

I'll see you on the frontlines.

[Zann the Defender]

If you are a true paladin, like me, you will understand that trolls are not the main enemies, it is all demons and undead.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Well seeing as it was the Human, Dwarf and Elf kingdoms that tried to genocidally wipe out a native sentient species, maybe you should be ashamed Viper ;-)

[Viperx11]

Death to the demonically corrupted black bloods and their allies.

And I don't think the humans of Stormwind have anything to be ashamed of. Not like we haven't had our tough times.

[Satelliteyears0o]

ahem, trolls arent demons, the you're thinking of the orcs, they were the ones who were betrayed by guldan.

The orcs are being led by thrall who isnt not "corrupt" since his dad Durotan did not drink from whats his faces blood. They are a spiritual and warrior race, not demonic. Humans are the most easily corrupted as i see it. Ya'll have mistakes too, Arthas ring a bell?

btw, whats your guild called undeadtrollman?

[Blackmoon]

Very, very good stuff here UndeadTrollMon :thumbsup: . I had no idea trolls had such a history. I've always kinda liked them, but now I'm sure my second char will one :yep:

And good luck on your guild, hope to see your people in game :)

[UndeadTrollMon]

Satelite, the guild name seems to have become Boomshaka Tribe (boomshaka trollish for vengence, in reference to our goal ;-) and you are welcome to join if you are interested......

You're second charecter would be welcome too blackmoon :-)

[Blackmoon]

Thanks for the offer, but I'm already an officer in a guild coming from Horizons to WoW and prefer to keep all my characters in one guild :)

[Viperx11]

ahem, trolls arent demons, the you're thinking of the orcs, they were the ones who were betrayed by guldan.

The orcs are being led by thrall who isnt not "corrupt" since his dad Durotan did not drink from whats his faces blood. They are a spiritual and warrior race, not demonic. Humans are the most easily corrupted as i see it. Ya'll have mistakes too, Arthas ring a bell?

Uh huh, read my post again.

I said death to the BLACK BLOODS (i.e. the orcs) and their allies. Trolls, as far as I know, are part of the Horde and therefore allies of the orcs.

And yes, I know they are no longer demonically corrupt now that they are under Thrall and Manneroth has been slain. HOWEVER, if you play the Frozen Throne bonus campaign, it is clear that the humans don't realize this and don't even care. To quote Admiral Proudmoore:

"DEATH TO THE BLACK BLOODS!" -Admiral Proudmoore, Warcraft 3: TFT orc campaign

[Ashagua]

Uh huh, read my post again.

I said death to the BLACK BLOODS (i.e. the orcs) and their allies. Trolls, as far as I know, are part of the Horde and therefore allies of the orcs.

And yes, I know they are no longer demonically corrupt now that they are under Thrall and Manneroth has been slain. HOWEVER, if you play the Frozen Throne bonus campaign, it is clear that the humans don't realize this and don't even care. To quote Admiral Proudmoore:

"DEATH TO THE BLACK BLOODS!" -Admiral Proudmoore, Warcraft 3: TFT orc campaign

It seems to me there's yet another war a-coming. If'n that's not what you want, then i guess someone's going to have to do some fast talking to them conniving brigands in the Alliance. We of the Boomshaka Tribe will welcome any challenge in any case.

Vengence for Sen'jin! :rant:

[Grond_HellHammer]

Uh huh, read my post again.

I said death to the BLACK BLOODS (i.e. the orcs) and their allies. Trolls, as far as I know, are part of the Horde and therefore allies of the orcs.

And yes, I know they are no longer demonically corrupt now that they are under Thrall and Manneroth has been slain. HOWEVER, if you play the Frozen Throne bonus campaign, it is clear that the humans don't realize this and don't even care. To quote Admiral Proudmoore:

"DEATH TO THE BLACK BLOODS!" -Admiral Proudmoore, Warcraft 3: TFT orc campaign



"What we've got here is failure to comminute, some men you just can't reach, so you did what we have here last week, which is the way he wants it, well he gets it, i don't like it any more than you do."
forget what thats from but its in a good (one of the only, lol) song by Guns n Roses, and well that is whats happening, and well thats why Admiral Proudmoore is DEAD. the "black bloods" brought your proud admiral low by death, he is no more and the same will happen to any other pink skin who dares to challenge the horde. your forces will be whiped out, your power will be no more and your pride will be broken!

BURN IN THE FIRES OF GROND!

[Viperx11]

:clap:

Yees! Some Horde players! Good to see some Horde people. My war hammer will need something to smash after I'm through with the Forsaken. :p

[`89]

I love trolls! I've always thought trolls were cooler than orcs or humans. For a while, my first character was going to be a Night Elf druid, but I think I'm going to be a Troll Warrior who dual-wields axes now. :D

[ratbert]

I love trolls! I've always thought trolls were cooler than orcs or humans. For a while, my first character was going to be a Night Elf druid, but I think I'm going to be a Troll Warrior who dual-wields axes now. :D

If you're planning on playing on the european english server your're very welcome to join our newly started troll guild called the Boomshaka tribe. A fast growing, relaxed guild for all troll lovers. Check out the reqruitment thread http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=228672

Yu a come wit wi, mon?

Jah bless.

[`89]

I was actually thinking of asking UndeadTrollMon if I could join your guys' guild. :D Sounds cool. :)

I'm planning on getting the game right when it comes out. I wonder if there'd be noticable lag if I played on the European English server though (I'm in Canada).

[UndeadTrollMon]

I doubt there would be much lag, and you are welcome to sign up, just say so here on PM me or whatever ;-)

[Jarulf]

I'm planning on getting the game right when it comes out. I wonder if there'd be noticable lag if I played on the European English server though (I'm in Canada).

Shouldn't be any problem. For the most time I have NO problems at all with lag playing from Sweden on the american beta servers. The times I have problems, it is mostly the problem of the internet in general or the ISPs, sometimes one simply get horrible lag, even if one would be living next door to the servers.

[`89]

Alrighty then. :)

[Toften]

yayy more :D

[UndeadTrollMon]

Memberlist is now:

UndeadTrollMon - UK
ratbert - Sweden
Joro - Sweden
moonfrost - Sweden
kuupa - Finland
Toften - Denmark I think you said ;-)
mr.nice guy - UK/Netherlands
ashagua
89

So we are doing pretty well ;-)

[Ashagua]

Well, since we're keep track of where we live, I'll just announce that I'm in the States.

Hooray for people joining the Tribe.

[xuNvaUnTeD_wArDeNx]

*realizes what is really going on, and runs to alert others UndeadTrollMon is starting a cult conspiracy*

jk, good luck on your guild

[GreenFaun]

"What we've got here is failure to comminute, some men you just can't reach, so you did what we have here last week, which is the way he wants it, well he gets it, i don't like it any more than you do."
forget what thats from but its in a good (one of the only, lol) song by Guns n Roses,

It's from the movie "Cool Hand Luke" which is phenomenally good. It's my favorite prison movie. Oh wait, Shawshank Redemption. Second favorite prison movie. But seriously, it's awesome.

Also the source of the "I say no man can eat fifty eggs" exchange in Reality Bites.

But we were talking about trolls... Yeah, it always seemed a little odd to me that trolls are the most widespread and possibly the oldest of races. It's true that Night Elf recorded history goes back further, but after the great wars everywhere they went, trolls were already there. hmmm.

what if the "Blue-skinned Nocturnal Humanoids" that discovered the well of eternity and were slowly magically altered into Night Elves were just another tribe of Trolls on prehistoric Azeroth? Wouldn't that be a cool twist?

Oh well, probably I'm totally off-base with the Blizzard vision, but it's a thought.

[Ashagua]

I've been speculating on that. I was wondering if the Trolls were the only indigenous race to Azeroth. Obviously, the Orcs aren't from around here, but what about the Humans, the Tauren, and the Dwarves? Were they originally aliens, or have I been reading too much Forgotten Realms lore?

[GreenFaun]

I've been speculating on that. I was wondering if the Trolls were the only indigenous race to Azeroth. Obviously, the Orcs aren't from around here, but what about the Humans, the Tauren, and the Dwarves? Were they originally aliens, or have I been reading too much Forgotten Realms lore?

Well, Blizzard, like most designers of fantasy worlds, doesn't seem to be basing the origins on any actual principles of hominid evolution. It's all for fun. We know that the dwarves (and troggs) evolved from the Earthen, who were made by the titans. Tauren, Goblins, Humans and Gnomes are all a bit of a mystery.

Although if we continue the whole troll evolution hypothesis, goblins could be smaller, more social and intelligent cave-trolls that split off as a species pretty recently. they do have the big ears and noses, and they're similarly ubiquitous.

[Wile.E]

The jungle trolls taking back their homeland is fair enough. But i'm not sure whether they'd want to seek revenge for the ice and forest trolls. I mean what kind of relation do the different races of trolls have?

On a seperate note, i like the look of the jungle trolls over the forrest trolls for my character.

Edit i ment to say different races not tribes.

[`89]

The jungle trolls taking back their homeland is fair enough. But i'm not sure whether they'd want to seek revenge for the ice and forest trolls. I mean what kind of relation do the different tribes have?

The different tribes probably aren't totally friendly, but a few enlightened trolls want all the tribes to unite, so we can take back what was once ours.

Mess wit one troll, mess wit all trolls, mon.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Well I think the Troll Elf theory is a good one, and is reminicent of the Orc/Elf creation of LOTR, they even have the ears, and similar ruins in WC3, so I wouldnt be suprised........

For now we can only assume that the only truly native species were the elementals and the lower lifeforms, and that the sentient races were made by the Titans, so Elf, Troll, Trogg, Dwarf, Gnome and Human are all native, with the Trolls and Elves being the oldest, and the Dwarven family 'waking up' later when the initial failed creating of the Titans (the Troggs) were unleashed by Dwarven mining and the Gnomes broke away. Naga were a product of Elves, and other races like Murloc, Gnoll, maybe Panadarian etc were a product of lower lifeforms..... Orcs and Ogres came through the portal from their planet Draenor, where the other natives were the Draenei, and it is unknown where the Goblins came from (are they native Azeroth or Draenor?)......

Trolls are the oldest civilisation with Elves for sure, and them being made into a new race by the well of eternity is more than likely otherwise wars between the two would have been mentioned prior to the formation of the Night Elves. During this time the Dwarves were asleep and the Troggs were beneath them, perhaps asleep too, man seems to have been the most primative.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Thats right 89 ;-) We of the Boomshaka Tribe are a new and dangerous type of Troll that wants one unified Empire of Trolls covering all of the world of Azeroth, and we will only allow the Orcs and Tauren their freedom, all other outsiders will be destroyed, the Demons and Undead, the Alliance, and the inhabitants of Draenor, then we will conquer the universe, planet by planet ;-)

[ratbert]

then we will conquer the universe, planet by planet ;-)

Trolls in space, lol, what a sight.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Starcraft 2, the Troll Empire methinks ;-)

[screw]

The trolls look like skinny, fragile fugly old women.
The shamans look more like witches in their ungodly skirts.

In my book, that counts for really sucky. I think blizzard should have made them muscular and cool looking like the forest and frost trolls.

I don't want to use an old woman! That's why trolls suck.

[zeus]

trolls are sick im gunna be a troll hunter with a raptor mount and my pet raptor running alongside mayb wit a cockateal or sumthin.LoL :drink:

[Ashagua]

The trolls look like skinny, fragile fugly old women.
The shamans look more like witches in their ungodly skirts.

In my book, that counts for really sucky. I think blizzard should have made them muscular and cool looking like the forest and frost trolls.

I don't want to use an old woman! That's why trolls suck.

The word isn't "fragile" it's wiry . We'll see how you dance when 300 javelins come seeking your blood.

And shamans wear kilts. You really need to learn your vernacular.

Have you ever made an old woman fighting mad? That's not something to be undertaken lightly.

[Ceredwynn]

Opinion vs Opinion = NonSense :lol:

IMO,
Trolls are awsome, there are a variety of them too
They range from The Race with the more Thinner Features to the more Bulky "crack your head open like a coconut" Races of Trolls

Either way they will eat your liver and drink the blood of your infants :teeth:

[Grond_HellHammer]

Opinion vs Opinion = NonSense :lol:

IMO,
Trolls are awsome, there are a variety of them too
They range from The Race with the more Thinner Features to the more Bulky "crack your head open like a coconut" Races of Trolls

Either way they will eat your liver and drink the blood of your infants :teeth:

No they don't EAT livers, they knock you out and remove your liver and sell it on the Black Market Ebay, and well its a wide belived fact that infants are afraid of trolls, i dont see how a troll could drink its blood.... get your facts straight Ceredwynn!

[Ceredwynn]

No they don't EAT livers, they knock you out and remove your liver and sell it on the Black Market Ebay, and well its a wide belived fact that infants are afraid of trolls, i dont see how a troll could drink its blood.... get your facts straight Ceredwynn!

lol sorry, my bad :p
I guess it was they eat your kidneys and drink the blood of your virgin daughters :teeth:

[Grond_HellHammer]

lol sorry, my bad :p
I guess it was they eat your kidneys and drink the blood of your virgin daughters :teeth:

i belive its eat dinner with your daughters in the virgin islands and hurting thier kidneys with a few drinks.... yea thats what that book with the sheep and the riddles and the bridge had writen in it.

[Ceredwynn]

i belive its eat dinner with your daughters in the virgin islands and hurting thier kidneys with a few drinks.... yea thats what that book with the sheep and the riddles and the bridge had writen in it.

LMAO :lol:
:surprise:
we are so off topic :p

[Grond_HellHammer]

LMAO :lol:
:surprise:
we are so off topic :p


.... as far as a kite man... as far as that kite can go man... and thats high! :cheesy:

AH TROLLS GOT MY INFANT.... I WAS WRONG!

[Ceredwynn]

.... as far as a kite man... as far as that kite can go man... and thats high! :cheesy:

AH TROLLS GOT MY INFANT.... I WAS WRONG!

*drops out of chair*
LMFAO !!! :surprise:
*tear rolls down cheek*
That was so funny :lol:

[UndeadTrollMon]

I prefer raw virgin liver myself, and yeh, so what if I do get it off Voodoo Ebay? ;-)

[Antonidas]

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[Antonidas]

[QUOTE=UndeadTrollMon]Im a n00b here, thought id share my thoughts with other sad people who know all the lore and stuff like me ;-)

Trolls are one of the most powerfull races on the face of Azeroth, the Forest Trolls alone were the opposite and equal of the High elves, and fought two of the most important wars in warcraft history against them...

The Forest Trolls had an empire which was brought down by Elves and Humans, creating a blood feud, and was the cause of the Burning Legion's second invasion, because they were so powerfull the Elves had to teach the humans magic, and their old lands extend all through Lorderon with Quel'Thalas built on top of an old holy city of theirs, making the Forsaken their new blood enemys - in addition they allied with the first hoard, making them important, in an attempt to reclaim Lorderon...

The Ice Trolls had much power, even rivaling the Dwarves who took their land (another blood feud), and have a large presence in Northrend, making them rivals/possible undead targets of the Lich King himself, and probably rivals of the mighty Nerubian Empire...

The Jungle Trolls have massive civilisation and ruins extending from the islands like the Echo Isles, Broken Isles, South Isles and the south of Azeroth (stranglethron), making them perhaps the most powerfull even greater than the forest ones, and they have allied with the second hoard and Thrall, they are most widespread being through the ocean and both continents. Jungle Troll lands are being invaded by humans, dwarves and goblins, making for some interesting rivalry.

Dark Trolls are present just about everywhere too but are primative (or so people think) and live in caves.

Also there is rumers of 'Desert Trolls'.

Collectively, Trolls have one of the most interesting historys, are EVERYWHERE, are an ancient culture in Azeroth, are equal to the elves at least in power, but have feuds and interests everywhere, making good mission/story oppertunity, are more warlike even than Orcs, have cool accents, aztec style ruins, and practice voodoo mon! So how come they are statistically the least played race!!!!!!!!???????? (At least PvP) and how come some people think of them as some minor people like the Pandarans ^^

Dunno about anyone else but id like to have a Troll guild, and try fighting the invaders from historic Troll lands :-)

Comments? :-)

EDIT: Just thought id mention, Trolls have all these classes in WC3 (as much as a 'major' race):

Troll Head Hunter
Troll Beserker
Troll Witch Doctor
Troll Batrider (Trolls should probably have bats as in game mounts too)
Troll Shadow Priest
Troll Priest
Troll High Priest
Troll Trapper
Troll Warlord
Troll Shadow Hunter (hero)

Voodoo Lounge[/


jungle trolls were never on the echo,broken,or south isles.THe jungle trolls had lived in only in stranglthorn.But that doesnt mean i hate trolls besides i like troll witch doctors.

[UndeadTrollMon]

Well, they were living on the Broken and Echo Isles all throughout the WC3 missions, specifically the Darkspear tribe, which also shared the land of Stranglethorn with other tribes in times past...

[GEJ]

due to this thread i predict trolls will get a 10 % popularity increase by member of rpgforums.net

[UndeadTrollMon]

LOL, I hope so ;-) I think a lotta people think Trolls are like the equivalent of Gnomes or summin, but they are infact the second most important Horde race to the founding Orcs... And are way more historically important and powerfull that Tauren, Forsaken, Gnomes, Goblins, etc....

[Moonfrost]

LOL, I hope so ;-) I think a lotta people think Trolls are like the equivalent of Gnomes or summin, but they are infact the second most important Horde race to the founding Orcs... And are way more historically important and powerfull that Tauren, Forsaken, Gnomes, Goblins, etc....
Now if we could only convince people to play as troll females... :)

[Graav Wolfsong]

Now if we could only convince people to play as troll females... :)

Ugh!
Oh well, better than the cows I guess.


Anyway, I strongly believe the reason Trolls are so underrated is because of the jamaican accent. It kind of brings the notion that theyre all total stoners. (Would that be considered racist? :lol: )

When in fact, the Tauren are the stoners of the game.

Hmm, I wonder if the Horde ever gets anything done when a significant portion of the Horde consists of no good hippies more concerned with the puff puff give ritual than bashing pinkskins.

Personally, I like the Trolls, dating back to the badass berserkers of WC2.

[SpiritWalker]

What's wrong with stoners..? :rant:













:p

[`89]

Starcraft 2, the Troll Empire methinks ;-)

That would be so awesome. I can just see the firebat with a jamaican accent.

"Is sometin burnin?"

:lol:

[Semidi]

SPOILER!



The zerg are actually ugly trolls!


SPOILER OVER!

[`89]

Nah, the zerg are Tauren and Orc women.

That's why they're so hideous. :lol:

[AgeOfAbnegation]

No doubt, I think I'd prefer an undead chic to a troll gurl :p j/k THey do have cute little fangs tho ^^.

[Moonfrost]

No doubt, I think I'd prefer an undead chic to a troll gurl :p j/k THey do have cute little fangs tho ^^.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/tradeskills/images/cooking/screenshots/ss01.jpg

No wonder trolls are rare...

[`89]

Too bad the in-game troll women don't look like this (http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/images/samwise/WarCraft_Samwise013c.jpg).

[UndeadTrollMon]

Hey thats my Troll wife youre talking about..... ;-)

[Ceredwynn]

Anyway, I strongly believe the reason Trolls are so underrated is because of the jamaican accent. It kind of brings the notion that they're all total stoners. (Would that be considered racist? :lol: )

DUDE !!!
Not cool at all, and the fact that you laugh about it... :grrr:
Not all of Jamaicans are stoners :rant:

It's only the Island trolls that have that accent, since they are from the islands (The Carribean of Azeroth)

All the other races don't share the Carribean accent

[UndeadTrollMon]

All Trolls have that accent partially, and island Trolls are just Jungle Trolls basically. The Ice Trolls have a 'cool' accent variation lol. Also Troll culture isnt just carribean, they have South American style ruins too.

[Ceredwynn]

All Trolls have that accent partially, and island Trolls are just Jungle Trolls basically. The Ice Trolls have a 'cool' accent variation lol. Also Troll culture isnt just carribean, they have South American style ruins too.

Naw, the Forest Trolls sound Italian

I didn't say their entire culture was carribean, but the biggest factor of the culture is, their religion, Voodoo.
Very popular in Haiti btw (80% of the Haiti practice Voodoo)

[ratbert]

they have South American style ruins too.

did anyone notice in juniorx's dance video how the troll women were doing capoeira? how cool was that? anyway, its south american (brasilian I think)...

[UndeadTrollMon]

In reality voodoo or vodun is nothing like voodoo, and all the sorta hollywood steriotypes are totally wrong ^^ Real voodoo is a religion of 60 million people worldwide, and was formed in Malta I think.

[Moonfrost]

did anyone notice in juniorx's dance video how the troll women were doing capoeira? how cool was that? anyway, its south american (brasilian I think)...
Yup, I noticed that. Also, it seems that Troll males have the same dance as well, as opposed to most other races where the both genders have different dance styles.

[Joro]

correct me if im wrong.... isnt capoeira a fighting style that slaves made... and they made it look like a dance so they could perform it while they where slaves...

Is this blizzards way to say that the trolls have develop from slaves to what they are now`?

[Moonfrost]

Could be, but I think they just added it because it looks cool. But you never know.

[UndeadTrollMon]

I am a martial artist amongst other things ^^, and ive heard of a Brazillian dancing/martial art, but dunno the name, or its history.....

[Gorandius]

You're talking of Capoiera(sp?), UTM.

[GreenFaun]

Yeah, Capoeira is both a dance AND a martial art, as well as being the name for a group of rhythms that are drummed as accompaniment. It's extremely athletic and acrobatic, in fact in some schools students have to learn to do a backflip and a handspring before they can learn any martial aspects.

Hey, wouldn't that be a great variation on the boring old "monk" class? instead of being based on chinese martial arts, it could be Troll Capoeiristas! It would be fun to watch and maybe they could incorporate some sort of rhythmic component to do more damage/modify combat some other way.

Well, there's no chance but boy, that would rock. :)

[UndeadTrollMon]

A bit off topic, just an announcement.........

TRIBAL FORUMS HERE http://www.iownallyourbase.com/boomshaka/forum/index.php

SIGN UP EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

[`89]

Registered. :D

[Moonfrost]

Dunno if it's been posted here before, but TrollMon showed me this and I thought it was very nice:

http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/images/screens/ss19.jpg

GreenFaun: I've you've seen what "real" capoeristas can do then you probably agree that the moves in game (lean right, left, right, roundhouse kick - repeat) are rather... simple, to say the least. They should at least add more diversity to the dance by adding a few more kicks, perhaps even a cartwheel/handspring/flip. Really, I probably won't get any sleep before they improve it somehow.

[DrizztDoUrden]

http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/wow/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=horde&Number=22839&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&what2=postlist&fpart=

you can view my answer there...if it doesn't work go to wow.stratics.com its in the horde section of the forums.

[UndeadTrollMon]

DrizztDoUrden,

Get a life. You seem to be a class-a w4nker, seeing as you have made some ****ed up reply to me, a person who you dont even know, and you are so sad that you are actually displaying some kind of rascism towards a FICTIONAL race, lol. That is low. Man, do you have any friends, or do you constantly remind them all how the country of their ethnic origin is a load of ***** that must have done ****-all between the lines of history?

[GuardiAn_JestEr(G\J)]

DrizztDoUrden,

Get a life. You seem to be a class-a w4nker, seeing as you have made some ****ed up reply to me, a person who you dont even know, and you are so sad that you are actually displaying some kind of rascism towards a FICTIONAL race, lol. That is low. Man, do you have any friends, or do you constantly remind them all how the country of their ethnic origin is a load of ***** that must have done ****-all between the lines of history?

^what he said

[UndeadTrollMon]

Yay, our site and forums are now up:

http://www.iownallyourbase.com/boomshaka/

Visit for Troll lore, etc...

[Blackmoon]

Yay, our site and forums are now up:

http://www.iownallyourbase.com/boomshaka/

Visit for Troll lore, etc...I checked your site/forums. They seemed nice. My fingers itched to post a reply as a guest on few of the threads :p

[Semidi]

Cmon post, You might find out how troll you be mon!

Be one of us!
One of us!
One of us!
One of us!

sorry for the shamefull bumping.

[vip_chicken]

Come Troll brederan, join tha ranks mon!

(OR DIE)

[UndeadTrollMon]

I checked your site/forums. They seemed nice. My fingers itched to post a reply as a guest on few of the threads

You are always welcome ;-)

Thanks for the bumping and advertisitng everyone ;-P

[WoWwarlord]

THe trolls weren't nessecarily stronger than te elves the just had vast numbers that were overpowering them. The trolls have one of the richest cultures in the world because they were basically the second inhabitants of the world after Night elves (There were earthen like people similiar to darves but the didnt reappear till later). The trolls are more warrior like than the orcs and their looks are sweet. I hear they have a rastarfarian accent that sounds awseome. If you wanna see a truly cool troll go to the blizzard website, World of warcraft. THen town hall click on mounts and youll see A sweet troll with a headband riding this vicious looking raptor. Trolls rule, the Horde rules

[Xinhuan]

It's quite funny. Everyone on the Horde faction says "Ram is soo cool! Raptors are so lame.". While on the Alliance side, everyone goes "Raptors are the coolest!" =)

I do somewhat find the Troll character not very appealing to look at... kind of like a drab blue skin. Orcs have such a great figure, and so do Night Elves and Gnomes.

[ArkhMori]

And what about the dwarves! We're appealing, AND shapely!

[theseus]

Cant ur troll be different colors when you make?

[ArkhMori]

Yes. Though they're all most greenish-blue.