Demon Hunter class

[Sir_Killmataq]

What class will be able to become a Demon Hunter?

[Ravashak]

Your guess is as good as anyone elses. My current guess is Human Mage though =)

[Chaosas]

Human mage? Why :scratch:
I say elven hunter/warrior.

[Ravashak]

'cause Demon Hunters are arcane magic-users first. The whole "fight fire with fire" thing. Illidan, possibly the first (former) Demon Hunter was a magic-user (that was the reason he got locked up too, his addiction to the magic). I don't see any Night Elf class that can cast arcane magic.

And to why I chose Humans? According to the Alliance & Horde Compendium, Demon Hunters can only be Human, Blood Elf or High Elf (yes, the other main requirement is usage of Arcane magic).

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

i think ne hunter because of the agilty and 2 night elf classes can use arecane magic
and that is the druid and the hunter has 2 attck that do arcan magic they are arcane shot and volley check it here http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter.shtml

[A-Ross]

As this is all only speculation, I would have to say the demon hunter SHOULD be a Night Elf warrior. Since it was the Night Elves, not the Human Alliance in Warcraft III who had the demon hunter as a hero. In Warcraft III, the demon hunter was the melee hero of the Night Elves and the main tank (at least until TFT where Mountain Giants came into play). Therefore, the Night Elves should have access to the Demon Hunter and I believe the Warriors will get to be the Demon Hunters.

[Masamunae]

For the 345908345034537948573945th time, Blizzard has said that the Hero Class for Night Elf Hunters will be the Demon Hunter.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

personally i think that priest/priestress of the monn would fit better to the hunter because of the ranged .the owl and the tiger
but demon hunter = only for night elves

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

What class will be able to become a Demon Hunter?

I would say Night Elf Warrior or Rogue. The Demon Hunter has nothing in common with the Hunter except for name.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

For the 345908345034537948573945th time, Blizzard has said that the Hero Class for Night Elf Hunters will be the Demon Hunter.

No, they haven't. If they have, please provide the link.

[Masamunae]

actually, yes they have. They said it almost a year and a half ago, so i'm not going hunting for the post they made, but your'e more than welcome to. They said they were still working on hero classes, but the two they had for sure was Dwarven Warriors becoming Mountain Kings, and Nightelf Hunters becoming Demon Hunters.

[Apollo]

I would say Night Elf Rogue since they get damage from spending points in agility, and the Demon Hunter was an agility based hero. The Warrior on the other hand is strength based. Like Xlorep nailed it, the only thing Demon Hunters have in common with hunters is their name... heck, hunters can't even dual wield and I doubt Blizzard would make Demon Hunters non-dual wield because a lot of Illidan fans would get disappointed.

[Nepen]

Even though it sounds stupid giving the Demon Hunter roll to a ranger I think Masamunae speaks the truth. I too remember reading something like that.

[Havard]

actually, yes they have. They said it almost a year and a half ago, so i'm not going hunting for the post they made, but your'e more than welcome to. They said they were still working on hero classes, but the two they had for sure was Dwarven Warriors becoming Mountain Kings, and Nightelf Hunters becoming Demon Hunters.

Nothing is for sure when developing a game. Especially when a statement is made a year and a half prior into the development.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

I would say Night Elf Rogue since they get damage from spending points in agility, and the Demon Hunter was an agility based hero. The Warrior on the other hand is strength based. Like Xlorep nailed it, the only thing Demon Hunters have in common with hunters is their name... heck, hunters can't even dual wield and I doubt Blizzard would make Demon Hunters non-dual wield because a lot of Illidan fans would get disappointed.


Hunters CAN dual wield

Melee Spells
It's best to put the buttons for these abilities together so they are ready to use if you're forced to fight in melee combat.

Dual Wield (Passive Ability) - Allows one-hand and off-hand weapons to be equipped in the off-hand. Train in this once it's available.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter.shtml

here you can check

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

OK the rogue suits the demon hunter beter also because of evasion wich he has in wc3

[Havard]

The Warlock has immolation and mana steal... so the "WC3 hero ability argument" is kinda moot for the rogue.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

yeah only in wc3 immolation has an whole other effect than in wow and demon hunter
has mana burn not mana steel dont know for sure but tought priest had that and metamorhesis the lvl6 demonhunter attck isnt in the game (yet) the only thing that somje a little close is druids shapeshift
and when i think about it hunter does have immolation trap yet its still only the name and dualwield

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Hunters CAN dual wield

Melee Spells
It's best to put the buttons for these abilities together so they are ready to use if you're forced to fight in melee combat.

Dual Wield (Passive Ability) - Allows one-hand and off-hand weapons to be equipped in the off-hand. Train in this once it's available.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter.shtml

here you can check


Of course, the big issues, which pretty much sums it up for me are:

Demon Hunters don't have pets. Hunters do.
Demon Hunters are primarily Melee. Hunters ar primarily Ranged.

Those are two of the biggest things, most integral to being a Hunter - ranged attacks and pets. Blizzard has even pointed this out, stating that a Hunter *can* melee, but it's just not as valuable to them as using ranged attacks where they have special bonuses with. And they've even come out and said that a Hunter without his pet would be like a Warrior without his Sword. So, unless there's some radical changes in store for the Demon Hunter, or for the Hunter class as well, I just don't see Demon Hunters being the natural progression for Hunters.

I'm leaning towards Rogue for Demon Hunters myself. The abilities/theme of the classes seem to mesh better together that direction. Now, I'd not be surprised if the Warden was for Hunters more than a Demon Hunter is - because the Warden is, well, a Ranged combatant, and could potentially treat the Avatar as some sort of bizarre pet, maybe.

[blindcside]

'cause Demon Hunters are arcane magic-users first. The whole "fight fire with fire" thing. Illidan, possibly the first (former) Demon Hunter was a magic-user (that was the reason he got locked up too, his addiction to the magic). I don't see any Night Elf class that can cast arcane magic.

And to why I chose Humans? According to the Alliance & Horde Compendium, Demon Hunters can only be Human, Blood Elf or High Elf (yes, the other main requirement is usage of Arcane magic).

Illidan was NE correct? how could he be the first Demon hunter than? He was probably locked up before they even started to have demon hunters to protect the Lordaeron continet. Remember they bounced becuase they wanted to continue to use magic? and later during a war they decided to teach humans magic, then even later they decided to have a guardian chosen by a secret society made up of humans and high elves. and that was after they started to use the magic so much it made the demons start to be attracted to it again. <3

[Malibu, CA]

im thinking demon hunter = melee spellcaster

[Zann the Defender]

personally i think that priest/priestress of the monn would fit better to the hunter because of the ranged .the owl and the tiger .
but demon hunter = only for night elves

This is where I come in. Priestess of the moon, should infact, be a PRIEST.

Consider this... Most of the Night elves practice ranged attacks.... Why should a priestess not? She also uses SPELLS that refect her abillities as a priestess, such as Star Fall. She can only gain the power from tapping deep inside of her religion.

You base this on nothing but what you see from Warcraft 3, and not on their history. I hate when people do this.... It is like saying a Demon Hunter should be a Warrior because he fights with two swords, when in reality, he should be a warlock.

The Demon hunters, of all classes, should be Warlocks. They use DEMONIC magics, and Arcane magics, to fight against the demons. They should be Night Elf Warlock.

[Runion]

Let's just call it a race specific hero class, not a class specific AND race specific. Each of the classes could respectively be called Demon Hunters because they have some ability or another. You could say Demon Hunters are NE Hunters, but at the same time you say no because Hunters have pets and Demon Hunters don't. But think about it. What good would be a Hero Class if you didn't get new abilities? The Demon Hunter will most likely gain a lot of melee abilities, along with spells and dark magics. Of course, this is all a guess, but I think it makes more sense to see it this way than to say all they have in common is a name.

[theseus]

Face it, the heros dont equal directly a class in WoW, the closest probably being Mountain King = Dwarven Warrior

[Malibu, CA]

Face it, the heros dont equal directly a class in WoW, the closest probably being Mountain King = Dwarven Warrior
is female dwarf warrior gonna be mountain queen?

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Let's just call it a race specific hero class, not a class specific AND race specific. Each of the classes could respectively be called Demon Hunters because they have some ability or another. You could say Demon Hunters are NE Hunters, but at the same time you say no because Hunters have pets and Demon Hunters don't. But think about it. What good would be a Hero Class if you didn't get new abilities? The Demon Hunter will most likely gain a lot of melee abilities, along with spells and dark magics. Of course, this is all a guess, but I think it makes more sense to see it this way than to say all they have in common is a name.


Get new abilities, yes. Be a completely different class that has no berings on the previous class? Doubtful. Besides name, and race, please list what is the *same* about a Demon Hunter and a Hunter. They are nothing alike, unless Blizzard plans on a total rewrite of the Demon Hunter to fit more with the Hunter, but it still wouldn't make sense. When compared in theme, flavor, and abilities, the closest candadites for becoming a Demon Hunter would be Rogue, and maybe Warrior. My bet is Rogue, since the Rogue *also* dual wields (thus, the argument "Hunters dual wield and so do Demon Hunters" is pointless, because so do Rogues), The rogue is stealthy - which appeared to be something of the Demon Hunter (in WC3, the character acted ad moved like he was relatively stealthy), and evasive. The Demon Hunter also had some magical abilities - which could be explained in a quest where the Demon Hunter begins his first "initiation" into the class - becomes blind, and somehow steals power from a demonic entity in order to hunt them better.

For a Hunter... he'd basically have to - switch from being a ranged combatant to a melee combatant, give up his pet, learn to be evasive, *and* change his magic from a nature-based to a demonic-based source. In other words - give up the lifestyle, and playing style of the hunter completely, to become something totally different. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.

[WiglyWorm]

I see alot of people speculating this class will be this because of skills that the class has.

Don't you think it's a bit presumpuous to believe that you won't be getting new skills as a hero?

[Haddon]

honestly, im thinking it will likely be almost purely cosmetic. maybe a mountain king will get plus to current skills, but i doubt hero classes will actually earn any new abilities. perhaps they will learn abilities of a different class.

i would like it to be semi-class specific. for instance, hunters could become a PotM, or a warden. a warrior could be warden or a DH. a rogue, a DH or something else. each class should have 2 choices, and each hero class should have 2 classes available to GET to it. that way you wouldnt see a whole bunch of DHs running around, some might choose to be a(lets make up a class nightstalker, or something

[ArkhMori]

I think the plan is two for each race/class, but only for that specific race/class itself.
Also, I'm fairly certain that they'll give you specific hero-only armours and the like, but they probably will give you special skills as well. Simply from how the system sounds like it works.

In the end, though, we know fairly little about this so far =(

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

night elf rogue Rogue fits the demon hunter profile best
they're agilty based wich warrior isnt they can dual wield
and they even have 1 of his wc3 abilty evasion so its rogue

[Zann the Defender]

night elf rogue Rogue fits the demon hunter profile best
they're agilty based wich warrior isnt they can dual wield
and they even have 1 of his wc3 abilty evasion so its rogue

Look past the Warrior/rogue part of him (which is his model, not all are accurate to warcraft history.) , he is more of a Warlock then anything. But there are no Warlocks, and the closest thing would be a hunter (it uses arcane magics... demon hunters do to).

[ArkhMori]

No warlocks? Certain about that comment? :D

[Zann the Defender]

No warlocks? Certain about that comment? :D


I meant Night Elf warlocks....

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

even druid has 1 or 2 arcane attck that doesnt make him a demon hunter i think he's gonna be a rogue hero you a warlock we jsut dotn know for sure until blizzard makes some anouncement

[Zann the Defender]

even druid has 1 or 2 arcane attck that doesnt make him a demon hunter i think he's gonna be a rogue hero you a warlock we jsut dotn know for sure until blizzard makes some anouncement

There is one problem with being a rogue. Demon Hunters TRACK demons and such, hunters track humanoids. Demmon hunters are not based on stealth, rogues are. Hunters can dual wield, so can rogues, and so can the demon hunters. I still think they lean more toward hunter though.

Or could potentialy be both classes....

[kolpo]

I just thought of something: the ultimate ability that transforms the demon hunter in a demon can be consider a special form of shapeshifting. Just like a druid shapeshifts in bear form or cat form can a druid who becomes a demon hunter then shift into demon form. Druids in bear form are tanks just like the demon form of the demon hunter so it can be seen as a more powerfull version of bear form.

A druid has nuke spells so immolation and fireball attacks still fit with druids. Demons have killed many innocent animals and destroyed many trees with there evil plans in the past so it is normal that druids hate them and want to hunt them, that hate towards demons could even become so big that they start to partially become like them and start to use the much more brutal demonic magics in there furry and rage againsts them.

[a_pax]

Your guess is as good as anyone elses. My current guess is Human Mage though =)
but y human? y not ne? :scratch:

[DeVries]

I'm going to have to agree with Xlorep and the others here. Rogues fit the demon hunter much better than hunters. Hunters are ranged-based, have an animal companion, and use primarily (if not exclusively) nature magic. Switching from ranged to melee, nature to arcane/demonic magic, and losing a pet is just too much of a change. It makes about as much sense as a Mage Hero class being primarily melee-based.

Rogues just plain have less of a change. They already wear little to no armor, dual wield, are chaotically aligned, and already have the same playstyle. Think about it, why would Blizzard make you play a ranged-based class for 60 levels in order to attain a melee-based hero class that plays nothing like the class from which it stems?

[Zann the Defender]

I'm going to have to agree with Xlorep and the others here. Rogues fit the demon hunter much better than hunters. Hunters are ranged-based, have an animal companion, and use primarily (if not exclusively) nature magic. Switching from ranged to melee, nature to arcane/demonic magic, and losing a pet is just too much of a change. It makes about as much sense as a Mage Hero class being primarily melee-based.

Rogues just plain have less of a change. They already wear little to no armor, dual wield, are chaotically aligned, and already have the same playstyle. Think about it, why would Blizzard make you play a ranged-based class for 60 levels in order to attain a melee-based hero class that plays nothing like the class from which it stems?

NE demon hunters are given the stereo type of attacking melee, but what they do is hunt demons, so they can use any weapon. But, there also comes the counter arguement of blinding themselves with Ritualistic Enchanted blades, but that is mereley a ritual. It does not mean he uses it. But, he has no pets. Or so it seems.

[Johanass "Johan" Tassen]

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At this rate I'll never get to play mie Nicht Helf Rabbi!

What a load of mishigosh!!!



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[DeVries]

NE demon hunters are given the stereo type of attacking melee, but what they do is hunt demons, so they can use any weapon. But, there also comes the counter arguement of blinding themselves with Ritualistic Enchanted blades, but that is mereley a ritual. It does not mean he uses it. But, he has no pets. Or so it seems.

You are correct in that if Hunters could become DH's, they would not lose their ranged abilities. But, DH abilities would most likely be for use with their warblades, and the warblades would probably be better than most bows you could find that weren't also Hero class only.

Honestly this is a seriously pointless thing to argue about. We'll know what class it is when Blizzard tells us, and even if we all somehow come to agree that x class make the most sense, it doesn't mean that it's correct. This isn't an election for Demon Hunter, so whatever is said here likely has little to no bearing on the final result.

[Zann the Defender]

You are correct in that if Hunters could become DH's, they would not lose their ranged abilities. But, DH abilities would most likely be for use with their warblades, and the warblades would probably be better than most bows you could find that weren't also Hero class only.

Honestly this is a seriously pointless thing to argue about. We'll know what class it is when Blizzard tells us, and even if we all somehow come to agree that x class make the most sense, it doesn't mean that it's correct. This isn't an election for Demon Hunter, so whatever is said here likely has little to no bearing on the final result.

But it is still fun to dream! Until then, I look too the Blizzard Fan sites, and blizzards web page :spy: ....

If kat were still here, maybe we would have known.... I miss her. :hanky:

[ArkhMori]

Clearly, you have all missed the true calling of the Demon Hunter. Only a single class will truly be able to encompass everything that this class actually IS.

And that, my friends, is the Gnome Warrior!

I think you'll find my argument supports it's own convictions simply through the blatant obviousness it possesses.

[Haddon]

i say we go hunter and track her down, and make her go back to blizzard! i wanna know :rant:

[ArkhMori]

Sounds like you didn't trust my judgment. :evil:

[Zann the Defender]

that would be : rant :.... But we should trak her down, tie her up and squeeze the info out of her.... Or ask really nicely with big eyes, looking really cute....

[Haddon]

hmmm...if only we could get a hold of some of the blizzard staff. offer them :drink: :lady: more :buddies: and some rock music! :yep: perhaps we could get our info! or else we will just have to find it...either way, i still love you blizzard

sorry, i had to use the smilies. it got the point across. heh

[OverKill]

I doubt the Demon Hunter will come from the Hunter... I dunno... The classes don't seem at all the same.

[I4Get]

So far all I have heard is Demon Hunter this and Demon Hunter that. Has there been no rumor about any other hero classes? I know that for Human, Night Elf, and Undead it should be pretty simple to choose the heroes. The other races will be alittle harder as there where only one hero for the Dwarfs, Orcs, Tauran, and Trolls. The others races did not even have a Hero.


Truth be told Demon Hunter is not a Hero I want to play. I was going to Play a UD Rouge but after looking at the heroes that the UD had in Warcraft 3 none really appeal to me. I may have to go with a NE <ahhhhhhh> just to get a hero that will fit my play style The Warden if it is a choice. If it is I will be NE all the way. If not then I will stay with the Horde.

Night all :drool:

[kolpo]

I hope that we are not restriced by class/race but that each class has instead a number of hero's to choose from, like the hunter could then choose between: beastmaster, dark ranger and Far Seer.

So we can actually choose what type of hero we want to be, for example hunter: If you want to be heavily pet/bear oriended then choose beastmaster, if you want to be heavily bow oriented then choose dark ranger and if you want to be magic and wolf oriented then choose far seer :)

Letting race/class determinate hero class is not very casual gamer friendly, the casual gamer might like the orc hunter until he disovers that the orcs have a magic wolf oriented class this while he actually prevers bears and wants to be a beastmaster. You cannot expect the casual gamer to read all spoiler sites before creating a character, that is a hardcore thing to do.

I really hope that the beastmaster hero class shall be in WoW, it is exactly the type of heavy pet oriented character I want to be :)

[Chaosas]

It should match playing style. I can't imagine a melee warlock, can you? So yes, rogue is closest, though he doesn't have arcane abilities. Or maybe there will be no demon hunters at all :lol:

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

i dont know for sure but i think rogue style fits the demon hunter best but warlocks spells and abilities are like him for example immolation and the warlock has has sense demons wich would fit the demon hunter perfectly but again the demon hunter doesnt use pets and the warlock does so actually we can know for sure wich class can becoem a demon hunter or if he wil become playable (i do hope you can )

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

The no-spells thing is easily explained. The Demon Hunter's problem is that they tempt fate - in order to hunt demons, they become like demons. Possibly, they have a ritual they undergo, a Quest of sorts, where they hunt down a powerful demon, to steal it's power. And the Demon Hunter then begins to learn and harness these new demonic abilities - effectively unlocks this magic power, and develops it. The Demon Hunter also blinds himself at some point too.

Presto, the Demon Hunter has magic, and it fits within the flavor of the class as presented in WC3.

[Haddon]

druids, please please PLEASE use some punctuation. i cant tell what in the hell you are saying without it. it drives me nuts, and im sure im not the only onehere. just use your old friend, the period!

[LuxAeterna]

Hunter pro's: Share name, arcane magic skills, dual weild, agility based.

Rogue pro's: dual weild, agility based.

That pretty much summs it up nice and easy. Hunter would be most logical assumption. Also keep in mind that a demon hunter isn't Illidan. Blizzard may have a totaly different concept on how a "normal" DH is. I doubt u will get a blindfold and 2 big butterknifes when u get a DH, he may very well use a bow.

BUT then again the warden acted as a counter/guard to the DH and currently ingame the hunter is counter to rogue with great detect abilities and beating them in 1 on 1. One can only speculate but I have my money on the hunter.

:drink:

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Hunter pro's: Share name, arcane magic skills, dual weild, agility based.

Rogue pro's: dual weild, agility based.

That pretty much summs it up nice and easy. Hunter would be most logical assumption. Also keep in mind that a demon hunter isn't Illidan. Blizzard may have a totaly different concept on how a "normal" DH is. I doubt u will get a blindfold and 2 big butterknifes when u get a DH, he may very well use a bow.

BUT then again the warden acted as a counter/guard to the DH and currently ingame the hunter is counter to rogue with great detect abilities and beating them in 1 on 1. One can only speculate but I have my money on the hunter.

:drink:


Except Hunters aren't really Arcane magic, but more of a Nature based magic. There is a difference. Plus rogues are more stealthy, and melee, while Hunters are ranged. And Rogues, like Demon Hunters, don't have pets, but Hunters do. Your corrected list should read:

Hunter pro's: Share name, magic skills, dual weild, agility based.
Hunter cons: Primarily a ranged attacker, deals with animals and beasts, magic is natural not demonic, has pets.

Rogue pro's: dual weild, agility based, melee based (not ranged), and no pet.
Rogue cons: No magic.

There might be more, but the playing style of the Rogue, from what I've seen, seems to fit more with the idea of a Demon Hunter, especially since the Demon Hunter seemed to be stealthy and sneaky, seemd to steal power from Demons in order to hunt them more. To me, this speaks "rogue" not "hunter".


If anything, short of the pet problem, my money would be more on the Hunter becoming a Warden, while the Rogue becoming more of a Demon Hunter. Time will tell, I just would rather that if you're gonna make a comparison, that you don't forget to mention other pertinant factors when listing them.

[Felicia]

In general, when it comes to Hero classes, I've always felt that, instead of a specific class evolving to a specific Hero class (and I've stated this many times before), a character when one reaches the approriate level, can quest for a Hero class. Certainly, specific classes will probably have a small list of available Hero-type class that they could become. But I never really felt that a class would just evolve into a predesignated class.

Finally, its very possible that no one will be able to become a Demon Hunter. It's been a long time since the information about Hero classes (in specifics, that is) has been mentioned, so its possible a lot of ideas changed or evolved. Hero classes may no longer be restricted by race, or the way to get them may be totally different than what everyone is speculating. Not to mention, its quite possible that the Hero classes might not make before launch, and will be patched in at a later date (though this information is a couple months old, so it may have changed).

Best not to think about it too much and focus more on the current gameplay the game has and the possible problems/complaints there might be. Deal with the Hero classes once we know they're in.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Exactly. Well put, Felicia.

[Booms]

Only Gnomes can become Demon Hunters. Duh.

[Haddon]

haddon wants to play a kobold tinkerer! :clap:

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

im for sure about 2 hero classes the ne druids = keeper of the grove and the dwarven warriors mountain kings

[SpanGi]

Exactly. Well put, Felicia.
Indeed, just my words :)
I must admit that I hope to see some returning heroclasses from War3, but hope they'll somehow be more open and costumizeable. Ofcourse I can't wait to find out what the new ones are like :thumbsup:

[Necros]

Im thinking that the Demon hunter doesnt need to be a NE cuase a the shamans hero class is the shadowhunter even if your an orc and i think that orc warlock can be demon hunter 2 but only if you specialize in melee and in demonology cuase warlocks can melee they even start with a dagger and they can train using swords but the only problem is warlocks cant dual wield. :winner:

[Haddon]

where do you get that shamans are anything? we dont know what anything is yet. damnedable people

[SpanGi]

where do you get that shamans are anything? we dont know what anything is yet. damnedable people
Orcish Shamans could be able to be Farseers maybe (and with the new Horde; surely Trolls and Tauren can too)? Well, noone knows anything, so therefore people are guessing and bringing up reasons for why the specific class could evolve into that specific hero class.

Nothing is for sure... :scratch:

[I4Get]

Just a thought there is more heroes in WC3 than just the Demon Hunter. Yet you just add more to the Rumor mill that will get debunked when the game comes out. :lol:

[Haddon]

hmmm...i thing i would like to play as a wisp. go around, blowin myself up. weee

[LordMinkie]

I think it would be easier on Blizzard if they just came up with 16 Hero Classes. 2 for each race. It would just be easier to profile each race and their style of combat and create Hero classes that would make sense for each of the races.

For example:
For Orcs...
Once the character has reached level 60. They find a quest to be trained by one of the legendary heros of their people. Here they choose to either be trained by a Farseer or a Blademaster. The Blademaster lends itself to Close Combat i.e. Warriors/Rogues but might be nice for the other classes as a change of pace. Farseer likewise lends itself to Ranged combat i.e. Shaman/Warlock/Hunter but the other classes might want some of the benefits of Ranged powers from the Farseer.

Just a thought. I think it would be simpler than creating a Hero Class for each race/class combination.

:scratch:

[Akh-Set]

I've got a theory. What if there aren't race/class combos that = a particular hero class? Perhaps they're just racially based. At level 65(?) a character can choose to pursue whatever hero class they want out of several available to their race, complete with their hero-specific skills and talents. Maybe any Night Elf could choose to walk the path of the demon hunter (pre-requisite quest notwithstanding). Certainly, a Warrior or a Rogue would certainly find the Demon Hunter abilities most complimentary with the skills they already have, but it wouldn't be barred to others. Much like a Night Elf Priest or Hunter might find Priestess of the Moon more convenient for their character. Of course, certain racial/class caveats would probably exist for certain hero classes, like the Mountain King being dwarf only, or Archmage being available to any Aliiance race, but only to those of the Mage class.

Just a thought. Would seem far more practical than the unnecessary trouble of a specific hero for each race/class combo. And far more diverse in the long run than everyone of a given race/class combo having only one option ultimately available to them.

[Akh-Set]

:lol: Looks like LordMinkle had the same idea slightly faster than I did. :lol:

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

It's an idea tht's been regurgitated about half as often as there have been people who posted that they somehow "know" exactly what a specific Hero Class will be, or which class/race/whatever will get to it. At the best, we can use deductive reasoning to give an educated guess. At worst, there are those who simply want something to happen, regardless of what is or sin't reasonable.

[stuyScale]

That pretty much summs it up nice and easy. Hunter would be most logical assumption.

Holy.. No.

We don't know for sure that all Demon Hunters are ranged. But we do know for sure that not all Demon Hunters are ranged. Nearly all Hunters are ranged. Draw your own conclusion.

My money is on both Rogues and Warlocks being able to become Demon Hunters. Rogues will gain minor demonic abilities like Immolation, Manaburn (comprable, perhaps, to the Hunter's manadrain sting). Warlocks gain additional melee ability, yada yada.

This is in addition to whatever else the Demon Hunter class would provide. The idea is that players can approach becoming a Demon Hunter from two ways, either as a physical combatant, ala Illidan prior to consuming the Skull of Guldan. Or by "fighting fire with fire" by wielding demonic magics. Either way, by becoming a Demon Hunter, you are guaranteed a modest proficiency with both magick and combat. So Rogues get additional magic, Warlocks get additional melee feats.

[Zann the Defender]

Holy.. No.
We don't know for sure that all Demon Hunters are ranged. But we do know for sure that not all Demon Hunters are ranged. Nearly all Hunters are ranged. Draw your own conclusion.
My money is on both Rogues and Warlocks being able to become Demon Hunters. Rogues will gain minor demonic abilities like Immolation, Manaburn (comprable, perhaps, to the Hunter's manadrain sting). Warlocks gain additional melee ability, yada yada.
This is in addition to whatever else the Demon Hunter class would provide. The idea is that players can approach becoming a Demon Hunter from two ways, either as a physical combatant, ala Illidan prior to consuming the Skull of Guldan. Or by "fighting fire with fire" by wielding demonic magics. Either way, by becoming a Demon Hunter, you are guaranteed a modest proficiency with both magick and combat. So Rogues get additional magic, Warlocks get additional melee feats.
While Hunter is still a logical one for several reasons, I still say Warlock would be most fitting...
But, I will lean to why Hunter is good so far...
Abillities
-Agillity Based
-Stereotype of Demon Hunters is not using bows, but two swords... Stereotypes are bad...
-Has some arcane magics...
-Has hunter in the name... And many tracking abillities...

We do not know for a fact that the Demon hunter has no pet, infact, we could say the demon soul he traps inside himself is a pet....

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Honestly, what does the name have anything to do with it?

And the "steriotype" is based on the only reference we have: the bloody game. Further, the Demon Hunter that was found in WoW wielded two swords.

Further, the Hunter does not use Arcane Magic. The Hunter uses a form of Nature-magic (using also known as Divine magic, when compared to Arcane). All Magic is NOT Arcane. After all, Druids, Priests and Paladins hardly use Arcane Magic. Why do you keep insisting on this fallacy?

Now, why is it you insisted in listing only some of the comparitive reasons? I mean, the way you list it, sure, it could be a possibility. But, when you list a more complete list of pros and cons for hunters and rogues (or even warlocs) compared to what is known about Demon Hunters, I'm sorry, but you're gonna not see the same skew.

All I'm saying is, if you're gonna speculate, please try to use a little logic and deductive reasoning with it. So you can back up your speculations, especially when you imply that other views are incorrect.

[SpanGi]

Honestly, what does the name have anything to do with it?

And the "steriotype" is based on the only reference we have: the bloody game. Further, the Demon Hunter that was found in WoW wielded two swords.

Further, the Hunter does not use Arcane Magic. The Hunter uses a form of Nature-magic (using also known as Divine magic, when compared to Arcane). All Magic is NOT Arcane. After all, Druids, Priests and Paladins hardly use Arcane Magic. Why do you keep insisting on this fallacy?

Now, why is it you insisted in listing only some of the comparitive reasons? I mean, the way you list it, sure, it could be a possibility. But, when you list a more complete list of pros and cons for hunters and rogues (or even warlocs) compared to what is known about Demon Hunters, I'm sorry, but you're gonna not see the same skew.

All I'm saying is, if you're gonna speculate, please try to use a little logic and deductive reasoning with it. So you can back up your speculations, especially when you imply that other views are incorrect.
Wow... I've heard of criticism, but this has to go somewhere under the offensive type. Cool it down Xlorep! :surprise: Actually Zann HAD a really good idea (I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but let's not look at that). Frankly, all you did was to say he was wrong yourself. If he IS wrong, list some cons and pros yourself?

But well, what IS known to Demon Hunters and Hero-classes anyway..? Lets look at some facts:
1) We know how the Demon Hunter-class is formed WoW-wise? No.
In lore-terms it's by a ritual where the pre-DH absorbs the demon's soul, which binds him to it, whereafter he blinds himself to get a clearer view to see Demons and the like.
2) Do we know if Hero classes gain additional skills when they get there? No.
Basicly, all the Hunter needs is the ability to dualwield. The Rogue only has the thing in common with the DH that he can dualwield, and are agility-based (which the Hunter is too, btw). Furthermore, whenever you come to the hero-class place, you could (guessing here) learn the additional magic skills by a DH-npc? It could be possible to Rogue aswell.

My brain's fried now, better stop making more points, or I might ending up saying something stupid. Cheers! :drink:

And ofcourse, WB Zann!

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Wow... I've heard of criticism, but this has to go somewhere under the offensive type. Cool it down Xlorep! :surprise: Actually Zann HAD a really good idea (I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but let's not look at that). Frankly, all you did was to say he was wrong yourself. If he IS wrong, list some cons and pros yourself?

I did, above. Post #56 in this thread (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showpost.php?p=2476107&postcount=56)

The criticism was because basically, Zann pretty much regurgitated the statement made in Post #55 by LuxAeterna. Nothing against Zann personally, it's just the argument was made, countered, and rather than responding to the counterargument, the initial argument was made again, reworded, but the initial argument all the same.

But well, what IS known to Demon Hunters and Hero-classes anyway..? Lets look at some facts:
1) We know how the Demon Hunter-class is formed WoW-wise? No.
In lore-terms it's by a ritual where the pre-DH absorbs the demon's soul, which binds him to it, whereafter he blinds himself to get a clearer view to see Demons and the like.

Yep. I've proposed that this ritual where he absorbs the demon's soul unlocks some mystical/magical power from within the new DH, allowing him to cast certian dark magics.

2) Do we know if Hero classes gain additional skills when they get there? No.
Basicly, all the Hunter needs is the ability to dualwield. The Rogue only has the thing in common with the DH that he can dualwield, and are agility-based (which the Hunter is too, btw). Furthermore, whenever you come to the hero-class place, you could (guessing here) learn the additional magic skills by a DH-npc? It could be possible to Rogue aswell.

But the Hunter has almost nothing in common with the Demon Hunter, as it has been defined and shown in WC3. Heck, the Hunter really doesn't have much in common with how the Demon Hunter is defined in WC:RPG. The Hunter is more of a survivalist, nature-oriented tracker, hunter, and trainer, who extensively uses pets, as well as ranged attacks, and has magic that is of a more divine/natural basis. The Demon Hunter is a bit more stealthy, persues Demons - otherworldly beings. The Demon Hunter has never been portrayed as having anything even remotely like a pet, the Demon Hunter uses Dark magics, of a more arcane bent to assist him, and has only been portrayed as a melee character. I'm sorry, but unless the Hunter basically throws away the two fundamental aspects of his class (pets & ranged-based attack focus), as well as apparently completely gives up his natural-based spells in favor of demonic ones.... I just don't see it. I mean, honestly, why would a Hero Class be built from another class that is a completely different direction from it? Might as well claim that the Demon Hunter comes from a Druid, or a Priest. Makes as much sense.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

A druid demonhunter....coowl i like demon hunters we both use arcane and we can shapeshift (metamorhisis ans druids shapeshift ) yeha that would be really cool adding demon form to druids shapeshifts

[SpanGi]

But the Hunter has almost nothing in common with the Demon Hunter, as it has been defined and shown in WC3. Heck, the Hunter really doesn't have much in common with how the Demon Hunter is defined in WC:RPG. The Hunter is more of a survivalist, nature-oriented tracker, hunter, and trainer, who extensively uses pets, as well as ranged attacks, and has magic that is of a more divine/natural basis. The Demon Hunter is a bit more stealthy, persues Demons - otherworldly beings. The Demon Hunter has never been portrayed as having anything even remotely like a pet, the Demon Hunter uses Dark magics, of a more arcane bent to assist him, and has only been portrayed as a melee character. I'm sorry, but unless the Hunter basically throws away the two fundamental aspects of his class (pets & ranged-based attack focus), as well as apparently completely gives up his natural-based spells in favor of demonic ones.... I just don't see it. I mean, honestly, why would a Hero Class be built from another class that is a completely different direction from it? Might as well claim that the Demon Hunter comes from a Druid, or a Priest. Makes as much sense.
Surely been a long time since I've been in this thread it seems. :lol: Just saw your reply, and had to post something.. counter-like. But well, you're right actually. I forgot (how could I?) about the Rogue's stealthy style. The magics still remain unanswered, but that's probably something trainable later on.

Anyway, as I ended my last post, my brain was kinda fried (<1 hour since I woke up). Clarity has returned :)
yeha that would be really cool adding demon form to druids shapeshifts
Now THAT wouldn't make much sense. Night Elves are anti-demons (with the possible exception of the Demon Hunters ofcourse :lol: ).

[Haddon]

i have 3 things to say. i shall go in order of what they popped up in my head as.

1. Zann, you are quite the warcraft expert, and i respect you quite a lot, however, i think you are quite incorrect in this arguement about hunters. warlocks becomming DH makes some sense, but i dont see it happeneing, getting rid of their main way of attack, DoT magicks, and fairly fast DD spells, with their pet backing them up.

2. Xlorep, i think you are incorrect as well. obviously, wisps are going to turn into all hero classes! hehe. but i do agree with you Xlorep

3. as a person who hates this endless bickering, i will make a chart of everything i can think of, and put it in my next post.

i guess 4.i still say i want a kobold

[Haddon]

PROS--------|Hunter|Warlock|Rogue
Agi based----|xxxxxxx|______|xxxxxxx
Melee--------|______|_______|xxxxxxx
Dual Wield---|xxxxxxx|_______|xxxxxxx
Dem.(Arcane)|______|xxxxxxxx|______
Stealthy-----|______|_______|xxxxxxx



CONS--------|Hunter|Warlock|Rogue
Pet----------|xxxxxx|xxxxxxxx|______
Nature Based|xxxxxx|_______|______
Ranged------|xxxxxx|_______|______

so there we go

[Apollo]

I don't know whether this has already been said, but I think the Hunter is much better suited to another possible Hero Class: The Warden.

1)The Warden can't be a Rogue, since they uphold the law. The only other agility based class to the Rogue is the Hunter.2)The Hunter can track animals, which could easily be specialized to tracking people.3)The Demon Hunter is often misunderstood and as a result are ostracized from the Night Elf community. This outcastish nature can be seen in Rogues aswell.

I suppose you could argue that Hunters could become either Wardens or Demon Hunters but I'm going to pretend that isn't possible... and therefore deduce that Hunters and Rogues would become Wardens and Demon Hunters respectively.

[SpanGi]

I don't know whether this has already been said, but I think the Hunter is much better suited to another possible Hero Class: The Warden.

1)The Warden can't be a Rogue, since they uphold the law. The only other agility based class to the Rogue is the Hunter.2)The Hunter can track animals, which could easily be specialized to tracking people.3)The Demon Hunter is often misunderstood and as a result are ostracized from the Night Elf community. This outcastish nature can be seen in Rogues aswell.
Yeah, forgot about the Warden :) Seems to match alright though, except ofcourse that the Warden is melee as well.

Just came to think of the Priestess of the Moon, but I think the name fools the same way as the Demon Hunter. Priestess... AHA, a Priest hero-class! But well, seems more like a Hunter to me (Ranged, pet(s), natural magic). Same thing as the above Demon Hunter => Hunter, eventhough everything leads to the Rogue. (4/5 cons and 0/3 pros in Haddon's little test).

Can't wait to see what other Hero Classes come available (they HAVE to make more than the existing War3-ones.. bit unfair for Gnomes with no hero classes :D).

[Haddon]

well, you have to remember that there will likely be far less gnomes and tauren than anything else, and they also only have what...3 or 4 classes each? so they shouldnt be too hard to handle

[Zann the Defender]

I know this is still Speculation, but I wish to give it my Two Bits.

Xlorep, you beat me, fair and square, and I repect you, but I still will remain on Hunter/warlock side (not in Night Elves, but basically it is a Warlock)... I am just too hard to persuade :surprise:

We have Stereotypes: Aha! He blinds himself with a magical blade! He must use it! But wait, aren't I overlooking that is just the look of the Demon hunter in Warcraft 3? Is it possible they don't all look alike and specialize in different areas? Maybe he could train with a staff or a Bow, or maybe just be more of a warlock? Hmm....

[Zann the Defender]

Yeah, forgot about the Warden :) Seems to match alright though, except ofcourse that the Warden is melee as well.

Just came to think of the Priestess of the Moon, but I think the name fools the same way as the Demon Hunter. Priestess... AHA, a Priest hero-class! But well, seems more like a Hunter to me (Ranged, pet(s), natural magic). Same thing as the above Demon Hunter => Hunter, eventhough everything leads to the Rogue. (4/5 cons and 0/3 pros in Haddon's little test).

Can't wait to see what other Hero Classes come available (they HAVE to make more than the existing War3-ones.. bit unfair for Gnomes with no hero classes :D).

In the Priestess' ultimate spell, she calls on the Moon Goddess Elune, and uses Stars to attack her enemies. Also, to go with that, in lore they worship Elune a lot and are religious leaders, like Paladins. There is still that "Priest... Priestess of the Moon! It is so obvious!" part, but still does every priestess have a cat, bow and such? Could there be a Priestess melee combatant?

[blindcside]

Lets look at some facts:
1) We know how the Demon Hunter-class is formed WoW-wise? No.
In lore-terms it's by a ritual where the pre-DH absorbs the demon's soul, which binds him to it, whereafter he blinds himself to get a clearer view to see Demons and the like.


hi. NO. in real warcraft lore terms they don't absorb the demons soul. and i've never heard anything about the actual DHs being blind...

if blizzard decides to go with thier own story... the demon hunters powers are passed down to the next person from the previous DH, and that person is chosen by the council of the secret society led by the high elves/human arcane magic users(<3 run on sentences).

so to burst all of your bubbles NE don't get to be demon hunters. becuase they never were. the DH were on LA, while the NE were in kalimdor, they kicked out the high elves for being addicted to magic all those years ago.

some one mentioned illidans power of metamorphasis... he can do that becuase ate that fools skull, not becuase hes a demon hunter. according to wc lore i don't understand why they even call illidan a DH. its a cool title? my guess is as good as yours. they also mentioned that illidan was blind... i don't remember why he was or if they ever mentioned it. maybe becuase he was locked up for 10k years (or however long it was)?

so NE rouge/warlock/hunter = DH?
i'd say no. but thats up to blizz of course. at least you all know that there never was a NE DH now.

the end <3

[Zann the Defender]

hi. NO. in real warcraft lore terms they don't absorb the demons soul. and i've never heard anything about the actual DHs being blind...

if blizzard decides to go with thier own story... the demon hunters powers are passed down to the next person from the previous DH, and that person is chosen by the council of the secret society led by the high elves/human arcane magic users(<3 run on sentences).

so to burst all of your bubbles NE don't get to be demon hunters. becuase they never were. the DH were on LA, while the NE were in kalimdor, they kicked out the high elves for being addicted to magic all those years ago.

some one mentioned illidans power of metamorphasis... he can do that becuase ate that fools skull, not becuase hes a demon hunter. according to wc lore i don't understand why they even call illidan a DH. its a cool title? my guess is as good as yours. they also mentioned that illidan was blind... i don't remember why he was or if they ever mentioned it. maybe becuase he was locked up for 10k years (or however long it was)?

so NE rouge/warlock/hunter = DH?
i'd say no. but thats up to blizz of course. at least you all know that there never was a NE DH now.

the end <3

Umm, actually Demon-Hunters in Warcraft lore (in one of the books I think) states that... Demon Hunters find a demon, capture it, imprison the soul within him/herself, and blinds him/herself to keep the demon soul in...

And the Demon Hunter is to popular a Hero not to be in (or they could be in the Expansion...)

Even though they are Magic Addicted, they are still part of the NE society for being valuable warriors, and their mission is pure.

Also, ALL DEMON HUNTERS CAN CAST METAMORPHOSIS! It is not the Skull of Gul'dan, it is the Demon Spirit's energies.

Read the Novels! :rant:

[blindcside]

Umm, actually Demon-Hunters in Warcraft lore (in one of the books I think) states that... Demon Hunters find a demon, capture it, imprison the soul within him/herself, and blinds him/herself to keep the demon soul in...

And the Demon Hunter is to popular a Hero not to be in (or they could be in the Expansion...)

Even though they are Magic Addicted, they are still part of the NE society for being valuable warriors, and their mission is pure.

Also, ALL DEMON HUNTERS CAN CAST METAMORPHOSIS! It is not the Skull of Gul'dan, it is the Demon Spirit's energies.

Read the Novels! :rant:

WELL, i read the 32 page history thing and thats what i refer to.
it says that the society of magic users formed and needed some one becuase the demons started to be drawn to lordaeron becuase of the heavy magic use there after the high elves came and were kicked out of kalimdor. and that the powers were passed down from one demon hunter to the next thru the demon hunter. so the whole purpose of the DH wasn't even around until AFTER the "high elves" were kicked out on thier rears.

i'm not saying that there would be no DH, just that it wouldn't be NE becuase they were against magic and wanted to kick it druid style at thier home. and they closed up the magic well that made them live forever, becuase of that war. i'm so specific lol. if i read it again i could quote it but i dun' wanna' 8)

high elves ARE NOT a part of NE society they were kicked out and they moved to lordaeron and formed that city with the Q. and thier mission isn't pure thats why they were kicked out.

and that IS the reason illidan can trasform. the skull of guldan thats the one. just becuase the heros in wc3 with names other than illidan that looked exactly like him had his abilities doesn't make them illidan. they just made heros and extra names like shadowblade somethingfury whatever so that during multi player 2 NE team mates wouldn't both have illidian or Malfurion stormwind. my best guess but i can be wrong as i am human.

read the history <3

[Zann the Defender]

Alright... You might just be asking for a flame.

1: High Elves are very few in numbers as of now, most are Blood Elves now (as I have been shamed and taught this) and the Demon Hunters are not draw there, they remain with their night elf brethren. The magic users were mainly Mages, Demon Hunters rely on the demon souls trapped in them.

2: Yes they would be NE, but there are races (I think). In the war vs the Burning Legion, the Demon Hunter's society was born, and they used the power of the demon against the demons... The Demon Hunters still do this...

3: They are still Imortal, the World Tree, and the new World Tree (in Darnassus) keep the Night Elves Immortal.

4: Illidan has a soul of a Demon trapped inside of him. When the Demon Hunters trap a soul within them, they tap into it's powers. The ultimate tapping of the powers is fusing there power with Demon like forms and powers... The ultimate tap.

The High Elves are not demon Hunters, read the Novels, they are more accurate then the History of Blizzard.

[blindcside]

Alright... You might just be asking for a flame.

1: High Elves are very few in numbers as of now, most are Blood Elves now (as I have been shamed and taught this) and the Demon Hunters are not draw there, they remain with their night elf brethren. The magic users were mainly Mages, Demon Hunters rely on the demon souls trapped in them.

2: Yes they would be NE, but there are races (I think). In the war vs the Burning Legion, the Demon Hunter's society was born, and they used the power of the demon against the demons... The Demon Hunters still do this...

3: They are still Imortal, the World Tree, and the new World Tree (in Darnassus) keep the Night Elves Immortal.

4: Illidan has a soul of a Demon trapped inside of him. When the Demon Hunters trap a soul within them, they tap into it's powers. The ultimate tapping of the powers is fusing there power with Demon like forms and powers... The ultimate tap.

The High Elves are not demon Hunters, read the Novels, they are more accurate then the History of Blizzard.
i read the history of warcraft not blizzard. and it was written by blizzard. i know i'm not clear and my thoughts are jumbled i apologize.

anyways, you should read it, its a good one.
NEs are no longer immortal, ask any beta tester that has created a NE char.
and they became immortal because of a magic well that they lived near by and after many years it gave them immortallity etc.

and according to the history of WC the high elves were kicked out after the war w/the demons because it was thier magic use that brought the demons there. so they moved to lordaeron and made a new city and put a magic barrier around it so that the demons wouldn't be able to sense the magic use.
later the high elves taught humans how to use magic when they were being attacked by trolls. after a while the humans magic use started to draw demons back and ppl were being attacked/possesed. SO the high magic users in lordaeron made a secret society and gave power to one person chosen by them to be a demon hunter.

heres a link to the history http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/
most of the stuff we are talking about is explained in the first/second chapter.

[Zann the Defender]

That is Blizzard's History, because that is Blizzard's official Beta Website :rant:

If you whatch the Night Elf Starting video, it says greedy Night Elves built a new world tree to draw there immortallity again, while Tyrande and Furion try and restore the old one.

The High Elves, as they were called, were kicked out because of Dath'Remar, a Mage. He was in no way associated with Demon Hunters, and they did not move with them and it says that no where in the History.

I have read the whole thing.... I have read more posts about Demon Hunters, done extensive research on different heroes, and what not.

[blindcside]

That is Blizzard's History, because that is Blizzard's official Beta Website :rant:

If you whatch the Night Elf Starting video, it says greedy Night Elves built a new world tree to draw there immortallity again, while Tyrande and Furion try and restore the old one.

The High Elves, as they were called, were kicked out because of Dath'Remar, a Mage. He was in no way associated with Demon Hunters, and they did not move with them and it says that no where in the History.

I have read the whole thing.... I have read more posts about Demon Hunters, done extensive research on different heroes, and what not.

i heard they were no longer immortal during the intro movie lol. musta' miss heard. i just watched it again and i'm not sure if they are or not... the narrator says they wanted back thier immortality and planeted the tree again. but then he said it soon fell to the burning legion, and then there was no more elaboration on the subject.

ok so illidan was kicked out before the highelves were.it does say in the history, here is a quote for yah.
The druids could not bring themselves to put so many of their kin to death, so they decided to exile the reckless Highborne from their lands. Dath'Remar and his followers, glad to be rid of their conservative cousins at last, boarded a number of specially crafted ships and set sail upon the seas.

thats under the "Exile of the high elves" part, in the first chapter.
'nother quote for yah.
The high elves, led by Dath'Remar, left Kalimdor behind ... and sought out places of considerable ley power upon which to build a new homeland for his people. His fleet finally landed on the beaches of the kingdom men would later call Lordaeron.

Since they were effectively cut off from the life-giving energies of the Well of Eternity, many of them fell ill from the frigid climate or died from starvation. The most disconcerting change, however, was the fact that they were no longer immortal or immune to the elements.

Deep within the northern forests of the continent, they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and vowed to create a mighty empire which would dwarf that of their Kaldorei cousins.

thats all under "The Founding of Quel'Thalas" in chapter 2.
so they are no longer immortal without the well. also they were now on lordaeron with the humans and no longer part of the NE societey.
am i done yet? ohh, one more thing the demon hunter.
ok this quote is about why they needed demon hunters
Yet, as more and more magicians practiced their arts, the fabric of reality around Dalaran began to weaken and tear. The sinister agents of the Burning Legion, who had been banished when the Well of Eternity collapsed, were lured back into the world by the heedless spellcasting of the magicians of Dalaran. The most powerful magicians were sent to capture the elusive demons, but they often found themselves hopelessly outmatched by the lone agents of the mighty Legion. The Council of Silvermoon, which ruled over the elves of Quel'Thalas, entered into a secret pact with the Magocrat lords of Dalaran.
They informed the humans that so long as they used magic, they would need to protect their citizenry from the malicious agents of the Legion. The Magocrats proposed the notion of empowering a single mortal champion who would utilize their collective powers in order to fight a never-ending secret war against the Legion. The mortal champions who were chosen to be guardians were imbued with incredible powers of both elven and human magic.
so... am i wrong?

[Zann the Defender]

Illidan was not banished before the High Borne, he was imprisoned.

Yes you are wrong, that is blizzards history wich changes a lot...

Quote Garona "Being of Both human and Orcish Lineage..."

Now she is Drenai and Orc? But enoough is said, I do not need support on this, because Blizzard changes it's history too much....

The new tree became corrupted but the NE are still immortal.

[Haddon]

Blind, you are indeed incorrect. the "demon hunters" which you speak of are not elven, they are human, chosen by the high councel of dalaran, i beleive. there is one at a time, and they are not "DH"s. they are the guardians. medivh was supposed to be the ultimate guardian, but sargeras messed that all up. his mother, whos name i cant remember, was the last official guardian before the start of the wars.

the kaldorei, night elves, studied magicks, became good with them, and then accidentally got the legion to come beat them down. badly. had it not been for the dragon broods and druids(who were originally NE from what i gather), all of azeroth would look like the outlands. the demon hunters were born during this time, illidan amongst them. he found, captured, and basically enslaved a demon within his soul, and blinded himself in order to see temporal beings with greater clarity. some 2000 years or so after the war, the high born and their queen were banished for using magicks, and apparently ended up in the maelstrom, and evolved into our scaly green friends, the naga. some also went to lordaeron, but later move northeast, and founded quel'thalas, where they continued their magicks with the aid of their barrier.

the rest you said was correct. about the high elves teaching the humans to use magic, and the humans mis-using it, founding the high councel that selected the guardians to take out demons and such in secret.


whew. that was a lot to say. now on to the reason i began to post...we all know that the demon hunters bind a demon to their will and soul...but WHAT demon? what if you get to decide for your quest? like say you defeat and bind an infernal, you would have extra emolation. felbeasts would give extra mana burn. some other kind would give(a much smaller amount of) extra to metamorphoses.

and on that note, what if ALL hero classes could choose from a few different KINDS. ideas whirling in my head!

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

No DEMON HUNTERS ARE NOT HUMANS THEY ARE NIGHT ELVES THE PEOPLE CHOSEN BY DALARAN TO HUNT DEMONS ARE THE GUARDIANS OF TIRISFALL .

The society held its secret meetings in the shadowed Tirisfal Glades, where the high elves had first settled in Lordaeron. Thus, they named the secret sect the Guardians of Tirisfal. The mortal champions who were chosen to be Guardians were imbued with incredible powers of both elven and human magic. Though there would only ever be one Guardian at a time, they held such vast power that they could single-handedly fight back the Legion's agents wherever they were found in the world. The Guardian power was so great that only the Council of Tirisfal was allowed to choose potential successors to the mantle of Guardianship. Whenever a Guardian grew too old, or wearied of the secret war against chaos, the Council chose a new champion, and under controlled conditions, formally channeled the Guardian power into its new agent.


THEY ARE NO DEMON HUNTERS
MEDIVH WASNT A DEMON HUNTER BUT HE IS THE LAST GUARDIAN

[SpanGi]

the kaldorei, night elves, studied magicks, became good with them, and then accidentally got the legion to come beat them down. badly. had it not been for the dragon broods and druids(who were originally NE from what i gather), all of azeroth would look like the outlands. the demon hunters were born during this time, illidan amongst them. he found, captured, and basically enslaved a demon within his soul, and blinded himself in order to see temporal beings with greater clarity. some 2000 years or so after the war, the high born and their queen were banished for using magicks, and apparently ended up in the maelstrom, and evolved into our scaly green friends, the naga. some also went to lordaeron, but later move northeast, and founded quel'thalas, where they continued their magicks with the aid of their barrier.
About Illidan, it would be wise to mention that he truely was the FIRST Demon Hunter. I'm pretty sure his early years is cleared a bit up when Book2 of The War of the Ancients comes out :)

[Haddon]

ok, that was just copied and pasted...it wasnt even quoted. you tried using it as your own!

and actually, im not sure if it ever stated he WAS the first, but we would assume he was.

[Haddon]

and as for illidans inprisonment, we arent really sure WHEN it happened. obviously it happened during or after the very first war, but as to WHEN, we dont know

[SpanGi]

ok, that was just copied and pasted...it wasnt even quoted. you tried using it as your own!

and actually, im not sure if it ever stated he WAS the first, but we would assume he was.
What? Where did it say that? I'll be damned if I were the only one that knew that Illidan was the first one.. :lol: Can't remember where I read it though... Guess it's trivial knowledge or something.

[Haddon]

no spangi, i was talking to druidsofashenvale. sorry, i should have specified.

i meant druids just copied and pasted the thing explaining guardians

[SpanGi]

no spangi, i was talking to druidsofashenvale. sorry, i should have specified.

i meant druids just copied and pasted the thing explaining guardians
Ahhh.. ok then, I got a bit confused about that answer too, but now it makes sense. :lol: Apoligy accepted.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

i know i copied the thing about the tirisfall guardian but now what was in bold that was just me

[blindcside]

my bad. the "gaurdians" hunted demons so thats what i thot they were 8)

and i haven't read any of the novels so all i had was that blizz history of wc to base the stuffs on.

[TheDruidsofAshenvale]

Arthas hunted malganis down to Northrend does that make him a dreadlordhunter (demonhunter )the humans hunted the remaining orcs does that make them orc hunters.

[blindcside]

uhh yeah you could call him that. i hunt boogers i'm a booger hunter.

[stuyScale]

Arthas hunted malganis down to Northrend does that make him a dreadlordhunter (demonhunter )the humans hunted the remaining orcs does that make them orc hunters.

That is a very good point. A "Demon Hunter" in WoW is not simply someone who hunts Demons. Hunting Demons is necessary to becoming a Demon Hunter, but is not sufficient by itself.

[SpanGi]

That is a very good point. A "Demon Hunter" in WoW is not simply someone who hunts Demons. Hunting Demons is necessary to becoming a Demon Hunter, but is not sufficient by itself.
Well, I wouldn't call Arthas a Demon Hunter at all. He hunts Mal'Ganis, yes, but not because he is a Demon, but because Arthas believed that he was behing the Scourge that ruined his homeland. If he was a hunter of anything, it would be the undead, ie. Paladin.

The Demon Hunter in WC-terms are not just a freak that runs around and kill demons. He does so with the "Fight fire with fire"-theory, whereas fire => demons. He almost becomes a demon to be effective enough in that single goal. There is a great difference between a demon hunter and a Demon Hunter.

[Haddon]

by that, isnt just about every character in nearly every rpg and/or fantasy styled game a demon hunter?
laharl(disgaea) denim(tactics ogre) claude(star ocean) and all final fantasy character, really, all hunt demons, tho they are made by COMPLETELY different people. as spang said there is hunting a demon and being a Demon Hunter.

dude! its a rogue :creep:

[Ravashak]

Illidan was the first Demon Hunter, it says so in the errata of the Warcraft RPG books. The demon hunter prestige class was created by those seeking to follow in the footsteps of Illidan Stormrage. Now for a little history, and here and there a bit of speculation...

I think Illidan was the first Demon Hunter, and he taught a couple other (probably mages) Night Elves that decided to dedicate their life to hunt demons how to become one. Then Queen Azshara and her Highborne were blasted down the Maelstrom at the end of the War of the Ancients, and transformed into Naga. The surviving Night Elves found the new Well of Eternity with Illidan being all cheerfull that they survived. Refusing to stop with his magic, Furion and Cenarius locked him up. Some time later, we get the High Elves (under the leadership of Dath'Remar) magical storm and their exile. There MIGHT have been Demon Hunters among them, but without the World Trees power to provide immortality, and the lack of Demons, they couldn't teach it to new generations. The High Elves founded Quel'Thalas, and placed their magic-shielding stones. As can be read in the History, the Elves bribed the humans with magic into helping them kick the Forest Trolls. A couple demons came back into Azeroth (Dalaran mostly), but there weren't any Demon Hunters left to teach how to bind a demon into oneself. Thus the Elven and Human magi decided to infuse one of their own with huge power. This person was the Guardian. Then comes Sargeras' trickery and Aegwynn taking the bait, thus the later born Medivh was to be in a constant struggle over who was in control of his body. Medivh got slain in Warcraft 1 / The Last Guardian, but made his reappearance in Warcraft 3 as The Prophet. Anyway, Jaina's expedition and Thrall's Horde in the end allied with the Night Elves and the Burning Legion was defeated a second time. But unlike their first defeat, this time there were loads of demons still on Azeroth. Very soon the relations between the Horde and the Night Elves cooled significantly, while the Alliance and Night Elves didn't grew quite so far apart so fast. (heavy speculation here) Somewhere, Human mages and Night Elven Demon Hunters met, and the Humans, whose magic was simular to what the Demon Hunters used before they became a Demon Hunter (the Humans learned it from the High Elves, who used the same magic as the original magic-using Night Elves, unlike the Dwarves, who are more into runes IMO). Seeing the demons still running rampart, a couple Humans decided to devote their lives to hunting them, like these few Night Elves did before them.

Meanwhile, Illidan accepted his banishment (what do you mean i like Illidan =p), and left Kalimdor, trying to fullfill his mission for Kil'Jaeden (killing the Lich King). Eventually, Lady Vashj nudged the Blood Elves into service of Illidan, with promises of magic. Illidan, in his time on Outland before or after the assault on The Frozen Throne, wasn't too fond of Demons either, so he decided to teach a couple of his former brethren (who were already obsessed enough with killing undead and demons) how to seal a demon into oneself, and that way become more adept at finding other demons which could be used as a source for magic (sucked out of them).


As far as I know, I haven't contradicted any official source in my little story here, and it does explain why there are suddenly Human and Blood Elf Demon Hunters (in the Alliance & Horde Compendium)

[Zann the Defender]

I Told you so! :winner:

I still say that A Demon Hunter could be a Hunter or a Rogue... But I still lean towards Hunter.

[Haddon]

well said. i guess i should find those warcraft books and read them(i read day of the dragon and lord of the clans, but never have money to get new books, or i forget to). of blood and honor is an e-book, which i hate...thats about that old orc hermit and the paladin, right? and last guardian is about medivh's story?

[Digital-Echo]

Perhaps then once a hunter or something kills a monster classified as a "deamon" for the first time he could try to bind it to himself in the attempt to be able to track more deamons and become a deamon hunter? But he needs to meet some sort of requirement or/and have the right tools/training to do so. Would be awsome really, could even provide some character cuztomisation options, like a deamon hunters eyes could glow a different color because the soul of the deamon trapped inside is still there, or perhaps a green glow/aura appears as you near a deamon. Of course character trait/skill enhancements would be cool. Like deamon tracking, a bonus to ur stats or something like that. I cant wait to get this game its gonna roxors my soxors!!!!!

[Haddon]

thats pretty much what i said earlier. i really do wish people would read before they remark.

and its demon, or daemon, by the way.

[Ragathol]

Look all of U thing in things which R! But Denon Hunters were a Mages which need so much mana! When the whell was destroyed only chance to have mana was from creatures which R live from mana! And Demons R this creatures in story of Warcraft! So When the first demon Hunter Illidan kill demon to take his live(mana) he started to become something else! From a Mage he become a warrior which Use demonic powers against the demons!And become very very strong! And all his powers like evasion is based on that that they have spectral sight which allow them to see 360° around himself! And when DH have enough mana he is able to transform into Demon like creature! So think DH R not warriors bud Preists which were Use Demonic powers to become Warriors! So I thing that when priest wont to become DH he must kill demon and make some kind of ritual which give him new powers and totali change his stats and all he knows and he started like one first level and gain new exp! So and do U remember that blizzard was say that U will gain new skills a experience on Hi LVL! And this maybe that! What U thing!!!

[SpanGi]

Look all of U thing in things which R! But Denon Hunters were a Mages which need so much mana! When the whell was destroyed only chance to have mana was from creatures which R live from mana! And Demons R this creatures in story of Warcraft! So When the first demon Hunter Illidan kill demon to take his live(mana) he started to become something else! From a Mage he become a warrior which Use demonic powers against the demons!And become very very strong! And all his powers like evasion is based on that that they have spectral sight which allow them to see 360° around himself! And when DH have enough mana he is able to transform into Demon like creature! So think DH R not warriors bud Preists which were Use Demonic powers to become Warriors! So I thing that when priest wont to become DH he must kill demon and make some kind of ritual which give him new powers and totali change his stats and all he knows and he started like one first level and gain new exp! So and do U remember that blizzard was say that U will gain new skills a experience on Hi LVL! And this maybe that! What U thing!!!
If I got that one right, everything there has been said - and discussed - before... :uhhuh:

[Ragathol]

Yes But i thing that Heroclass will allow HiLVL char. to gain more LVLs! So i thing that they will make classes of all kind aspects and combinated them into New hybridclass like DH is or Warden ect. I give U example:

NE-Druid
NE-Piest
NE-Rouge
NE-Warior
NE-Hunter

HeroClass

Demon hunter (Rouge, Warior, Piest)
Warden (Rouge, Warior, Hunter)
Keeper of the Grove (druid, Priest)
Priestess of the Moon (priest, Hunter)

So when U reach LVL60 U can choose one of this Heroclass and start like new hero with new stats and all! Maybe any tipe of class give to your new hero some bunuses like Warior will give hit points! rouge will give better evasion Priest better spellcasting to DH ect.

I thing this is right way huh?!

[Graav Wolfsong]

Seriously, I dont understand why so many people keep bringing up the Hunter as the base class for the Demon Hunter. Just because they have 'Hunter' in common does not mean they are connected in any way, shape or form.

Forget the "But I read blablabla 2 years ago" stuff and use some logic. Like many have said time and time again, why would a ranged class suddenly become a super bad *** melee class? Thats like a Shaman becoming a Blademaster. It doesnt make sense.

I still think the Warrior or maybe the Rogue will be the class the Demon Hunter Hero class is based on.
IF that is the way its going to work.

[Haddon]

yeah, ragathol, that made next to NO sense. put your words into coherent sentences before you post, please. for the love of blizzard, make some sense!

[Ragathol]

read My post again!
I think that HeroClass will depend on Rase and class U chose!
So and maybe all races will have few Heroclasses like this example:

Night Elf can become this classes!

Hunter
Rouge
Warior
Priest
Druid

And the Heroclasses in W3FT was

Demon Hunter
Warden
Keeper of the Grove
Priestess of the Moon

So if U want to become one of this Heroclass U must Reach LVL60 and be a matched class for hero class U want to beceme!
so like this:

Demon Hunter`s base classes may be Rouge, warior, Priest
Warden`s base classes may be Rouge Hunter warior
Keeper of the grove`s base classes may be Druid priest
Priestess of the Moon`s base classes may be Hunter priest

Now U understad All!!!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

It seems to me that you're assuming there won't be any Hero classes besides those that were in WC3.

[Ragathol]

No No this R only known HeroClasses! And I this is any example how this may Work! Blizzard may create many more Heroclasses for each rase or Class!
But i thing becorce Demon Hunter is so popular his is one of the adepts to be a playable HeroClass!

[antarius]

Heh, Ragathol, you actually DO make some sence once you are understood :)

I think you have a good point in there, that maybe it's not limited to just one Heroclass / Class, but you might get a choise between several. And since most Heroes in WC3 are sort of hybrids between melee/ranged and magics it makes it hard to assign just one Heroclass per Class.

Aside from that, I'm not touching this discussion with a ten foot pole... I just wanted to throw that in since don't like it when ppl lack respect for other ppl just because they have difficulties expressing themselves on a foreign language.

[Ragathol]

I think you have a good point in there, that maybe it's not limited to just one Heroclass / Class, but you might get a choise between several. And since most Heroes in WC3 are sort of hybrids between melee/ranged and magics it makes it hard to assign just one Heroclass per Class.
language.

Yep that is what I wont to Say! U Right :o)

[Chutney]

One hero-class for every race/class combo.
Balance? Party roles?

One hero-class for every race.
People will alway pick the class best suited for thier race's hero-class?
3/4 of all classes useless?

One hero-class for every class?
Breaks Warcraft history? Troll Preistess of the moon?

One hero-class for every class/faction.
Balance? Warcraft history?

Maby thats what people needs to figure out before deciding what class is best suited to become a demon hunter. (Rouge btw :p)

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Blizzard haven't said much about Hero classes so far. They've only mentioned one specific Hero class and that was the Mountain King. Only dwarven Warriors can become MKs according to that statement. That was several months ago, so it may no longer be the case (things tend to change during the development process). More recently they said that Hero classes will be added before the end of Beta so people get a chance to test them before release.

[SpanGi]

Blizzard haven't said much about Hero classes so far. They've only mentioned one specific Hero class and that was the Mountain King. Only dwarven Warriors can become MKs according to that statement. That was several months ago, so it may no longer be the case (things tend to change during the development process). More recently they said that Hero classes will be added before the end of Beta so people get a chance to test them before release.
Again.. no exact statement has been made on ANY hero-class. The Dwarven Mountain King was mentioned along with the Night Elf Demon Hunter as part of an example. Nothing is for sure with these classes yet, as said lots and lots of times before. The Mountain King is pretty obvious though, as it's a pretty warrior-based heroclass, only seeming to fit the Dwarf. But, the statement wasn't precise info, just a "It's probably going to be like this".