WoW Beta Testers are Pissing me off!

[Patroklus]

Am I the only one who is sick of them saying they are appalled that Beta is ending and Blizzard is making an awful mistake by releasing this game. I was in the stress test and the feelings were pretty unanimous there. Everyone loved the game and the most consistent feedback I heard was "Please let us pay right now!!!". That was the best mmo experience I have ever had and by this lot ranting and raving they are only delaying my chance to become a World of Warcraft paying customer. I realize that this doesn't begin to apply to all the beta testers out there, but to the ones that it does apply to I can only say jeez people, will you shut the heck up?!? World of Warcraft is a fantastic game, I've tested it, I've loved it, and so have the 100,000 stress testers who were begging for more time to play! You do not have the right to attempt to bully Blizzard into letting you have more free play time at my expense!

[Piccione]

I have played the stress test too. I agree with you that the game is ready except for talents that will be finished soon. So i am really starting to think that beta testers are aware that the game exit couse they will have to start to pay it. That's my opinion.

[Patroklus]

The same people that are screaming to postpone the release are the ones that make posts like


"NURF ROGUES, OMG they are so powerful! I am lvl 25 and a lvl 23 rogue killed me that should NEVER happen!"


All beta testers are not created equal. And for the love of god we don't need to postpone release because we could use a couple more lvl 250+ skill crafting items!!!!

[Oberon]

The game isn't ready for retail but it's certainly ready for open beta. It's up to Blizzard whether they want OB to last a week, two weeks or a month. They'll have time to tweak everything and this would be the perfect opportunity for sustained testing of the servers with a load equivalent (or close) to that of retail. IMO most of the CB testers who are against OB simply don't want to lose their characters and (more importantly) their "elite" status as CB testers.

[Patroklus]

from the quality of the majority of CB tester forum posts, it's pretty obvious that a large chunk of the testers are young and probably only in the beta because they get to play a game for free. Cry me a river, but I will happily hand over my $50 and my $14 per month, heck, make it $20 a month, I really don't care because I have a job and this is my hobby and, truth be told, video games aren't really that expensive of a hobby anyway.

[AxByC]

Am I the only one who is sick of them saying they are appalled that Beta is ending and Blizzard is making an awful mistake by releasing this game. I was in the stress test and the feelings were pretty unanimous there. Everyone loved the game and the most consistent feedback I heard was "Please let us pay right now!!!". That was the best mmo experience I have ever had and by this lot ranting and raving they are only delaying my chance to become a World of Warcraft paying customer. I realize that this doesn't begin to apply to all the beta testers out there, but to the ones that it does apply to I can only say jeez people, will you shut the heck up?!? World of Warcraft is a fantastic game, I've tested it, I've loved it, and so have the 100,000 stress testers who were begging for more time to play! You do not have the right to attempt to bully Blizzard into letting you have more free play time at my expense!


I dont know whats worse the whiny beta testers or the whiny people who didnt get into beta. The game is not ready for retail there are still has alot of bugs and balance issues. Your 10 days as a play tester in the stress test dosnt make you an expert on the state of the game.

[Oberon]

I dont know whats worse the whiny beta testers or the whiny people who didnt get into beta. The game is not ready for retail there are still has alot of bugs and balance issues. Your 10 days as a play tester in the stress test dosnt make you an expert on the state of the game.

Yeah they're bad too but the worst are those who whine about the whining of those who didn't get into beta.

[AxByC]

Yeah they're bad too but the worst are those who whine about the whining of those who didn't get into beta.


ah bitter non beta tester you :)

[Felicia]

After playing the Stress Test, I definitely did not feel this game was complete or even ready for launch by most accounts. Even the most completed areas in WoW, those being the Alliance and Undead starting areas, did not really feel complete. Other than service NPCs, no other NPCs talked to you. There's a feeling of emptyness in many of the capitals, Horde content is incredibly lacking. Balance and progression through the areas is off, and the combat engine feels rather unpolished. Some classes are really untuned, and may need some reworking in order to feel right and are fun to play, though I suspect this won't happen until well after launch. The game doesn't feel complete or ready for retail at all, yet.

However, there's still plenty of time to correct these issues and patches have already come in since the Stress Test to allow players to test and see if many of these issues are fixed. One patch probably won't fix them all, but with a few more patches on the way, Blizzard should probably have all or nearly all the major problems in the game complete by launch. Open beta will definitely help get a feel for how much left needs to be done.

[llestina]

I've been annoyed by the closed beta whiners for a while now. First they didn't want to play with the stress testers, now they don't want the open beta to start. Some even seem to be trying to get their favorite class to be more powerful than others in PvP. What really gets my goat, though, is that some of them want some sort of reward for the "tough work" of being a closed beta tester. :rant:

It's almost enough to make me want to put any closed beta tester on my /ignore list as soon as retail arrives.

[captainstandish]

I just think so many of the testers are jaded. It seems that all the new testers that were added this past phase love the game, regardless of it's minor problems. Same thing with the stress test - everybody loved it and just wanted more WoW to play. You see it with every MMO out there. There are countless jaded players who even though will play a game for literally years, continuously complain about it. Blizzard isn't there to please everybody, they are trying to but of course some players expectations aren't met because of the sacrifices Blizzard has to make to accomodate the majority of the player base it's trying to draw in. Unfortunately, not every player realizes this and just because they aren't happy with a feature/function/aspect of the game, they automatically think the game is crap/unbalanced/not fun, and hey, maybe to them it is, but WoW isn't going to be a game for everybody. It sure as hell will be damn close, but for some people it won't be there cup of tea so to speak. Many people I know just jump from MMO to MMO, whenever the new one comes out and they get tired of the one they've been playing for a few months, they'll jump ship and complain and complain about that game just as much as all the others. Complainers will always find something to complain about, even if it's inconsequential.

While I havn't played the high end content of WoW, where most of the complaints seem to be coming from along with class balance etc..., the game is in fact a beta state, and Blizzard has even stated that come release there will be much more high end content, just not in the beta. They have to save something for these testers so they can spend money on a game that isn't the exact same thing that they've been playing for 6 months. It's a double edged sword. If ALL the content is added into beta, you'll have people complaining about it, making forum posts "if this is what is in retail, i won't be buying, i've already seen/done everything, no sense in paying for it, bla bla bla bla feed me bla bla bla" or you'll have it like the way it is now, with people complaining "there isn't enough high end content in game, if beta ends with this, i won't be buying because there isn't enough high end content bla bla bla - bliz give me all the game now bla bla bla." The majority of testers do give bliz construct criticism on class balance, etc... and do realize that this is just a beta, more will be coming come retail.

I simply think most testers are jaded from playing the game so much, which is in fact not finished. There will always be complainers and whiners telling Bliz how they won't be playing/buying their game. I'm sure Blizzard doesn't give a damn, and I know I wouldn't want to play a game with somebody that just complains about it in the first place. Bottom line is when the game comes out you'll have the people enjoying the game in the game world and the whiners jumping to their next MMO to ***** about. :buddies:

[Oberon]

I just think so many of the testers are jaded.

You'll love this thread (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=398511&P=1) then.

[Father Jack]

I was fortunate enough to be added to beta on the last push so I'm a beta newb, personally I would love to see a larger beta/ open beta. I'm on Beta sever 2 and it often seems empty. There are definately room for more in my opinion. Plus this game is far more stable than alot of other games I have played after release. Plus it has lots of content, I'm only level 27 but am overwelmed with quests, It's almost anoying. This game is alot of fun yes I would pay to play right now, I love this game and would just like to start playing today as is with everyone on this board,

However, I have encountered alot of unfinished areas, alot of quests are labled (needs reward), I get a crash to desktop or lock up about once every 4hrs. Plus many more I could list. Yes I've found lots of bugs and there are issues.

The games not perfect, what MMORPG have you seen that was, I think its a herculean task that must just continue to evolve constantly aproching perfection but never acheiving it (my math teacher was right I am using calculus in my daily life).

So I say release it.....but get ready for a new group of people to start pissing you off. The people who say this game isn't finished/balanced/ etc. But those people will always be there so whats the difference

:teeth:

[AxByC]

if anything kills this game it will be the bnet crowd. what a cesspool that is.

[Patroklus]

The comments about getting a reward for being in the beta seem to be getting crushed pretty well by other CB testers, but the fact that a decent amount of these guys think they should get a head start or a unique in game item is just ridiculous. I think we should get a reward for waiting for the release. Something like this sounds appropriate.


Anyone who whines about wanting a reward for beta testing gets polymorphed and placed in a big pasture. Then all the post-release players get to hack away at them with impunity for half an hour. That would go a long way to alleviating my frustrations.

[Bunsen]

If the beta testers really think that the game isn't worth paying for as is shouldn't they be relieved that their hellish days of slave labor are finally coming to an end? At the very least, they'll finally get a break while they laugh at the poor dumb suckers who have to pay to take over their burden for them, and then they can just cruise back in a few months later to play the "finished" product.

On the beta boards I see no complaining at all. Well, actually I see an awful lot of complaining, but none of it is about their current dilemma. I haven’t heard one of them so much as mention the two-dozen detailed bug reports he filed just yesterday. Sadly, they only have enough life left in their bleeding fingers to type: “Talents aren’t finished yet;” wail that whichever class they happen to be playing right now is drastically underpowered compared to every other class; and a add few paragraphs explaining how much that “sucks.” Then they collapse at their keyboards, leaving the idiot savants at Blizzard to fill in the blanks now that someone has finally painted the “big picture” for them.

In fact, the beta testers are so zealous in their need to help non-beta testers that their outrage almost seems to stem from their disappointment at no longer being able to shield the rest of us from the torment that, like the doomed Atlas, they alone wish to bear for us all indefinitely. I just want to be among the first to tell the beta testers how much I appreciate your altruism and self-sacrifice. You've spent hundreds of hours of back-breaking (well, eye-straining anyway) unpaid overtime just to save others from having to waste fifty cents a day on a game that didn’t suit you quite perfectly enough. To heck with roleplaying - in real life, you'll always be my true heroes. No soldier who ever threw himself on a grenade to save his platoon can hold a candle to you.

After all the thousands and thousands of beta board posts where you tried desperately to bend Blizzard’s ear to tell them what you think other players besides you would want, it seems silly to imagine Blizzard would listen to the opinions of people who are doing nothing but paying them money. Besides, what the heck do we know about what we want; we could never in a million years care about our needs as much as you obviously do. Kudos on a job well done. But don’t worry about a thing; from now on we'll be the ones taking time out of our busy days to give Blizzard the guidance they need to create just exactly the gaming experience we've decided would be most enjoyable for you.

Oh, and if you want any screenshots or anything to let you know the status, just ask really really nice and we'll see what we can do for you.

[sphockey04]

On a side note, the official beta forums have closed-beta players complaining about how horrible the stress test was and how they couldn't stand it. IMO, it was the complete opposite, everyone was just so stoked to be playing WoW and I had some quality grouping experiences that give me a lot of hope for the future of the community :D

[Syndakit]

If the beta testers really think that the game isn't worth paying for as is shouldn't they be relieved that their hellish days of slave labor are finally coming to an end? At the very least, they'll finally get a break while they laugh at the poor dumb suckers who have to pay to take over their burden for them, and then they can just cruise back in a few months later to play the "finished" product.

On the beta boards I see no complaining at all. Well, actually I see an awful lot of complaining, but none of it is about their current dilemma. I haven’t heard one of them so much as mention the two-dozen detailed bug reports he filed just yesterday. Sadly, they only have enough life left in their bleeding fingers to type: “Talents aren’t finished yet;” wail that whichever class they happen to be playing right now is drastically underpowered compared to every other class; and a add few paragraphs explaining how much that “sucks.” Then they collapse at their keyboards, leaving the idiot savants at Blizzard to fill in the blanks now that someone has finally painted the “big picture” for them.

In fact, the beta testers are so zealous in their need to help non-beta testers that their outrage almost seems to stem from their disappointment at no longer being able to shield the rest of us from the torment that, like the doomed Atlas, they alone wish to bear for us all indefinitely. I just want to be among the first to tell the beta testers how much I appreciate your altruism and self-sacrifice. You've spent hundreds of hours of back-breaking (well, eye-straining anyway) unpaid overtime just to save others from having to waste fifty cents a day on a game that didn’t suit you quite perfectly enough. To heck with roleplaying - in real life, you'll always be my true heroes. No soldier who ever threw himself on a grenade to save his platoon can hold a candle to you.

After all the thousands and thousands of beta board posts where you tried desperately to bend Blizzard’s ear to tell them what you think other players besides you would want, it seems silly to imagine Blizzard would listen to the opinions of people who are doing nothing but paying them money. Besides, what the heck do we know about what we want; we could never in a million years care about our needs as much as you obviously do. Kudos on a job well done. But don’t worry about a thing; from now on we'll be the ones taking time out of our busy days to give Blizzard the guidance they need to create just exactly the gaming experience we've decided would be most enjoyable for you.

Oh, and if you want any screenshots or anything to let you know the status, just ask really really nice and we'll see what we can do for you.

:lol: Great post bunsen :thumbsup:

Not every beta tester that says this game isnt ready for release has evil intentions. Not every person who whines about beta testers is only whining cause they are jealous they didnt get in beta.

I think everyone should stop speaking for blizzard though, as if they know when the game should be ready for release. Last I checked, that was BLIZZARDS job, so let THEM handle it. Cause everything that comes out of everyones mouth pertaining to when this game should be released just makes that person look dumb. Blizzard has inside testers as well, so all that "unfinished" content people talk about, could actually very well be "finished".

[OneMadOgre]

I was fortunate enough to be added to beta on the last push so I'm a beta newb, personally I would love to see a larger beta/ open beta. I'm on Beta sever 2 and it often seems empty. There are definately room for more in my opinion. Plus this game is far more stable than alot of other games I have played after release. Plus it has lots of content, I'm only level 27 but am overwelmed with quests, It's almost anoying. This game is alot of fun yes I would pay to play right now, I love this game and would just like to start playing today as is with everyone on this board,

However, I have encountered alot of unfinished areas, alot of quests are labled (needs reward), I get a crash to desktop or lock up about once every 4hrs. Plus many more I could list. Yes I've found lots of bugs and there are issues.

The games not perfect, what MMORPG have you seen that was, I think its a herculean task that must just continue to evolve constantly aproching perfection but never acheiving it (my math teacher was right I am using calculus in my daily life).

So I say release it.....but get ready for a new group of people to start pissing you off. The people who say this game isn't finished/balanced/ etc. But those people will always be there so whats the difference

:teeth:
Father Jack! How is it that we haven't added you to WWN on Beta 2?

Usually the beta testers I see complaining are confusing their jobs as beta testers with being on the design team. I've been very happy with the beta and have fewer and fewer /bug to turn in. Can't wait to see all of you. :)

[Patroklus]

Well, can you blame them for hating the stress test? I mean ugh, why should they be expected to slum it with the "nOObs" in the gutter that was the stress test. They are CB testers after all!!

[Mr.Sunrock]

I dont know whats worse the whiny beta testers or the whiny people who didnt get into beta. The game is not ready for retail there are still has alot of bugs and balance issues.

Blizzard have nver promised a full ballanced game when it go live. WoW will never be 100% balanced and so will never a MMORPG game be ither. It is imposible. Way? Becouse there is new conted added all the time. And becouse there are new conted added all the time there will always be bugs too.

What is importent is that there are no huge bugs at launsh and bugs that can be exploited to, for an example, dublicate items and/or money. But you cant expect thay will fix all the small bugs that ocure for an example, if you have Sword X wileded when you go backwords throug zone edge betweaan A and B and wave to some one at the same time will make it imposibel to unwield the sword untill you have reloged.

Do you say that there is still magor bugs in WoW and there are alot of exploits?

[Bunsen]

Blizzard has inside testers as well, so all that "unfinished" content people talk about, could actually very well be "finished".

Based on most of the things I've seen on the beta boards, finished or not, I'll be glad when the game is out of the beta tester's hands.

Somebody above mentioned a beta thread that started with this:
I personally cannot wait till the rest of the people get in. I was so disapointed in the way Blizzard handled the BETA selection process. Then I got in due to a friend not wanting to play anymore. At first I felt anger towards the community, but it quickly faded to awe and like i said earlier, i meet some cool people. Now, seeing all these complaints about the bnet "kiddies" kinda makes me mad again. Some of you guys need to get over yourselves.

Go there and look at the responses that got: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=398511&P=1

I have heard no reports of massive bug infestations. As far as content and class balancing are concerned, no MMORPG can ever be "finished." WoW is always going to be a work in progress.

BNet, SchmeNet - anybody who pays the monthly fee should have a heck of a lot more input into WoW's development than a bunch of freeloading elitists. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner that starts, the better.

[AcidPope]

It's very easy to forget what you once were yourself. This is a big problem with people who have a "head start". They go on about new people being the bane of progress or fun, yet forget they were once exactly what they are now complaining about. I'm not saying that a sizable portion of the new people testing the game are not or won't become smacktards. That's inevitable. There will however be plenty of contributing players being added as well. It's strange these people never get mentioned. Everyone always obsesses on the negative.

The more people added, the more people available to catch bugs, etc. This is a good thing. People are more worried about selfish aspects though. My fun, my character, my... my... my! Here's a little detail people tend to miss when they sign up for tests. The object is to find problems with the game, test balances/configs/features/etc. Adding people does nothing to detract from this goal. If it detracts from your fun, too bad. Your fun isn't the primary goal of testing, it's a side effect. It's clear people who worry only about their playing experience or their character being lost or wiped etc. stopped testing already and are only playing for themselves.

As for open beta > retail. There is no set in stone procedure for how long an open beta lasts. It can last a week, a month or if the developer wants more then a year. Heck, I've been in open betas that have lasted months and even over a year! People (CB's) need to stop panicking. I read the WoW forums over at the official site frequently and I must say most of the time it's enough to make you sick.

[Mr.Sunrock]

I read the WoW forums over at the official site frequently and I must say most of the time it's enough to make you sick.

I hear you brother. :buddies: I only try to read the topics with "blue text" on the offcial forum so I don't get to high blood presure. I just hope that those l33t's, whiner's or what ever you like to call them just are new to the consept of MMORPG's and it's just that that make them look like ******** crybabies. Meny of them might even come from battle.net and are diablo players (may god be mersy on them becouse they dont know better) so they can't be blamed totaly for being jackasses becouse they dont know better

[Hydro]

Don't get pissed at all of us again just for being closed beta testers.


No the game isn't ready for retail yet.
You played in the stress test? Whoop-de ****ing do, you tested the game for a couple of weeks, we have been testing it for a long time, some of us have been playing since the alpha version. A lot of balancing still needs to be done, a lot of bugs need to be worked out (ESPECIALLY after this last patch, which YOU did not experience), and servers need to be reworked. Horde content needs polish, and talents and spells need to be implemented fully. High lvl zones are not even near done, and some instances are still closed off by GoBs. But you knew all that from your stress test experience right?
Closed beta testers are useless because we just ***** all day right?
Posts like this make me glad that people make posts like "I am not going to group with CB testers" because I wouldn't want to help them in the game anyways, which is what we are doing, we are HELPING Blizzard make this game, which helps you in the end when you play it and Kolkar stormers arent invisible, and the eastern plaguelands actually has quests.

[Mr.Sunrock]

Don't get pissed at all of us again just for being closed beta testers.


No the game isn't ready for retail yet.
You played in the stress test? Whoop-de ****ing do, you tested the game for a couple of weeks, we have been testing it for a long time, some of us have been playing since the alpha version. A lot of balancing still needs to be done, a lot of bugs need to be worked out (ESPECIALLY after this last patch, which YOU did not experience), and servers need to be reworked. Horde content needs polish, and talents and spells need to be implemented fully. High lvl zones are not even near done, and some instances are still closed off by GoBs. But you knew all that from your stress test experience right?
Closed beta testers are useless because we just ***** all day right?
Posts like this make me glad that people make posts like "I am not going to group with CB testers" because I wouldn't want to help them in the game anyways, which is what we are doing, we are HELPING Blizzard make this game, which helps you in the end when you play it and Kolkar stormers arent invisible, and the eastern plaguelands actually has quests.

A, Last patch was only half done as blizzard told all before the last patch and they know it was bugy becouse it was not a finished patch so you can't use that as an argument

B, Content have nothing to do if the game can go live or not. That can be added after and Blizzard stated that there will be more conted added for the Hord after it go live.

The game does not have to be finished to go live... and a MMORPG will never be finished as it is stated in coments made alot of time already in this post. So if you dont have enthing else to add it is sone ready for launsh and is ready for open beta

[Hydro]

To Mr. Sunrock and Bunsen -

First off Bunsen once again you make an *** out of yourself by saying we are all elitists and you can't wait til the beta is out of our hands, and to be honest its people like you that make me dread the game going retail.

Mr. Sunrock -
There aren't really problems with major bugs, its still the minor ones that annoy you, not being able to open chests, use your mailbox, bugs where the wind rider doesnt work, quest items not dropping, etc. Some items need to be fixed and balanced, and some monsters need to be reworked, a good example is Echynakee (or something) in the barrens, im sure most of you horde STs know what Im talking about. Hes a lvl 15 white lion that is a quest which you can kill in 3 to 4 hits, more easily than a lvl 12 regular huntress. That NEEDS to be fixed before retail, because having enough small things like that can really detract from gameplay.

[Hydro]

Its ready for open beta soon, don't get me wrong,
but it is NOT ready for retail.
Horde NEEDS more content, and some bugs that deal with playibility NEED to be fixed, period.

[Piccione]

if anything kills this game it will be the bnet crowd. what a cesspool that is.

This make it clear that your opinion is not valid. Thx for letting us know that. That is the most stupid way of racism. It is the one that usually communists refers to when speaking about racism. In b.net as in every community there are bad people and good ones. If you think that blizzard players are bad (And i rimind you that WoW is a Blizzard game) you may have to immediately start searching for a better Mmorpg. Couse b.net crowd who loves blizzard in any way will get into WoW for sure. I hope gl a lot to you searching for a better Mmorpg.

Than if any blizzard closed testers are so unhappy with the game i please them to leave theyr beta-key to me as i love it. I may be stupid but i got addicted by the stress test and WANT to play this Buggest,Worst and even empty Mmorpg.

And an advise to beta testers:
In the middle of your boring and painful stressing hour of beta test try to discover bugs if you can. Not whine about balancing or stupid others things and try to help the game to get released before 4 years.

[Hydro]

Good god the posts get stupider by the moment, Piccione you ***** about people lumping all the bnet people together then you dish on all the closed beta testers as though they are all the same.
We do report bugs, and we want the game to come out probably worse than all of you do.
Since everyone seems to ignore what testers say though, I am not going to waste anymore time arguing with you dicks, im just going to go do some more WoW testing, to help make the game better for playing.

[Mr.Sunrock]

There aren't really problems with major bugs, its still the minor ones that annoy you, not being able to open chests, use your mailbox, bugs where the wind rider doesnt work, quest items not dropping, etc. Some items need to be fixed and balanced, and some monsters need to be reworked, a good example is Echynakee (or something) in the barrens, im sure most of you horde STs know what Im talking about. Hes a lvl 15 white lion that is a quest which you can kill in 3 to 4 hits, more easily than a lvl 12 regular huntress. That NEEDS to be fixed before retail, because having enough small things like that can really detract from gameplay.

:eek: I would consider "use your mailbox" as a huge bug... depending how common it is. Say that only every 1000 player stumble on this bug and all you have to do to work around the bug is to do a quick relog. It's not that bad. You can find bugs like that in games that have ben in the stored for over a year and have more then 500 k subscribers.

"Hes a lvl 15 white lion that is a quest which you can kill in 3 to 4 hits, more easily than a lvl 12 regular huntress."

You realy dont have to worry about that type of things before the game hit the shelfs... you can fix that after the relace too. There will probebly be one or two patches a month, if not more, after the game is live.

PS: I remember during the first 3 months of SWG there was almost a new hotfix patch every other day.

[OneMadOgre]

I think there gets to be a lot of hyperpole. The game has bugs. There are not a lot of show stoppers that are common to all testers. There are content issues that are a lot more prevelant in the upper levels. The game will not be what the beta testers want it to be when it's released. It will be good enough to make most other MMO launches look bad. (Provided they can keep the servers running. I would guess this is why you have an open beta. :) )

Let's try to keep it civil. There are some good points in here, but it's getting harder and harder to pull them out.

[Dark Knight]

Hmm... I've just noticed that Ogre has a big club on him... :shhh:

[Blackmoore]

Dark dark dark...it's a nail bat! Look carefully! A blugeoning effect, but can cause deadly bleeding still.

[Patroklus]

Hydro Schlong that was an inspiring rant, but let me ask. Who the heck are you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about from being in the stress test? Why do they make game demos then if you can't get any sort of an idea of what a game is like from a demo, and believe me, I played the stress alot longer than any demo I've ever tried. I'm very very sorry that all the talents aren't in, but I would go roll a paladin w/o talents this second if I could. Why? Because this game is SWEET and I want to pay to play right now. Maybe you doubt my ability to discern total crap from a sweet *** MMO. In answer to that all I can say is that the reason I'm so stoked about WoW is I've played EQ, AO, DAOC, and SWG extensively and World of Warcraft is phenomenally better than any of those games! Take all the talents out, take out the mail system, stop balancing classes right now, don't add another quest, and it still blows away any of those other games. My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket, please, Blizzard, TAKE MY MONEY!!!

[MercenaryEDK]

Hydro Schlong that was an inspiring rant, but let me ask. Who the heck are you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about from being in the stress test? Why do they make game demos then if you can't get any sort of an idea of what a game is like from a demo, and believe me, I played the stress alot longer than any demo I've ever tried. I'm very very sorry that all the talents aren't in, but I would go roll a paladin w/o talents this second if I could. Why? Because this game is SWEET and I want to pay to play right now. Maybe you doubt my ability to discern total crap from a sweet *** MMO. In answer to that all I can say is that the reason I'm so stoked about WoW is I've played EQ, AO, DAOC, and SWG extensively and World of Warcraft is phenomenally better than any of those games! Take all the talents out, take out the mail system, stop balancing classes right now, don't add another quest, and it still blows away any of those other games. My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket, please, Blizzard, TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Cheers to that brother, lol i agree 100% "Take all the talents out, take out the mail system, stop balancing classes right now, don't add another quest, and it still blows away any of those other games. My credit card is burning a hole in my pocket, please, Blizzard, TAKE MY MONEY!!!" i already bought the CE and id willingly start paying 25$ a month if i had too but does that matter at all no. The next step is open beta and i believe that theyre would be absolutly nothing wrong withing closing closed beta and opening open beta. Whats the big deal with that? Everyone starts from scratch, everyone good and bad has a fair chance to help find bugs and test the game. Does anyone have a problem with that because they shouldn't, big deal it might not be ready for release but there is nothing logical that would restrict open beta from starting, there would be just as many idiots in open as are already in closed and as will be in retail. As to the fact that apparently some closed beta testers are asking for bonuses of somesort when they start the game or something, well if thats true they already have there bonus they have had the honor of playing WoW while other people who would give anything to play, all i have to say to the people that want some sort of bonus, your lucky you get to play. Seriously though does anyone out there see anything wrong with opening open beta then im gonna smack you.

[aartamen]

heck, make it $20 a month

Heck, don't.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

No, it's a Clue-by-four (or would it be clue-by-eight? I mean, it's an ogre wielding it) with the N.A.I.L. system installed.

[MarkusAurelius]

i personally hope some of the "b.net kiddies" go to WoW, and i mean the "ub3r 1337" ones. why? because it adds so much fun to the game. how does it do this? because you have a bunch of ***holes who we can all hate together.

for example, i was in Boy Scouts and the only fun about it was the few idiots who were trying to be cool, and us pulling pranks on them as they would do to us.

[Bunsen]

To Mr. Sunrock and Bunsen -
First off Bunsen once again you make an *** out of yourself by saying we are all elitists and you can't wait til the beta is out of our hands, and to be honest its people like you that make me dread the game going retail.

1. Learn how to spell before you use profanity.

2. Don't use profanity, whether or not you can spell it,

3. Learn how to read before you post. I never said you are "all" elitists.

4. Learn how to think before you do anything. If you are one of the people I was referring to as saying the game isn't ready for retail, then it couldn't possibly matter less to you whether Osama bin Ladin were playing after the beta ends, could it?

Other than that, you're making excellent progress. If you keep working at it, I'd say you'll be competent to make a coherent post in only a few short years. Maybe you can do that to celebrate the day you decide the game is worth actually buying a subscription? In the meantime, I'll be happy to help out by identifying your numerous "content and balance" shortcomings.

I for one am sorry we won't be playing together, at least any time soon. But have fun for the next few weeks anyway. :uhhuh:

[MercenaryEDK]

|HydrO|-Schlong .... what kind of selfrespecting person, that wants any respect in return would use the word Schlong in their name.

[Hydro]

I apologize for ranting for no reason, but you must understand the amount of flack we get from the entire community.
L33t kids will get bored quickly, within a month it will be alright.

WoW is better than most MMPORGS on the market right now, you just gotta understand that I really want WoW to succeed, and not go the way of SWG.
I hope to play with all of you soon, even Bunsen.
P.S. - What did I spell wrong?

[Patroklus]

I hear ya Hydro. Nothing wrong with wanting it to be the best it can be. It's just so frustrating for us because, having not played much at all, we desperately want more. The stress test has completely killed the joy of playing any of the other MMO's I have chars on. I mean, waiting for the shuttle on SWG was boring before, but now it's excrutiating. So I take it personally when I see the fellas saying, in essence, Hell no don't let Patroklus play WoW because "I" say it's not ready. He's not smart enough to make up his own mind, so don't even let him log in until "I" say it's good enough.

[sakki]

It's just so frustrating for us because, having not played much at all, we desperately want more.

Not to mention the few of us that has yet to see the game in action from other than the fine screengrabs out there :howdy:
Think about loading up mac EQ after watching some of those vids :sleep:

[MercenaryEDK]

So whats wrong with opening the open beta does anyone see a problem with that? We can all win, us that were in the stress test will get a chance to hhelp and those that are in closed beta well fine its not ready yet so now other can help test it and make it ready sooner, the more people playing the easier to find all of those minor details and working out some of the major ones. But really Hydro Schlong any chance you can remove the schlong?

[Khal'jur]

The thing that's really pissing me off is that many closed beta players assume that all people who are going to be in open beta are obnoxious bnet kiddies. I don't consider myself one, even though I've played over bnet for years. To me, there's no point in insulting people or being rude over the internet. I mean really, what does it prove? Are you really getting anywhere this way? I play computer games for fun, there's plenty of stress in real life, so why make a fun computer game stressful, a place I'll go to escape from it?

Sorry, sort of ranted for a while there :cheesy:

[Oberon]

The thing that's really pissing me off is that many closed beta players assume that all people who are going to be in open beta are obnoxious bnet kiddies.

It's especially annoying when someone who's probably ten years younger than you calls you a kiddy.

[Piccione]

Good god the posts get stupider by the moment, Piccione you ***** about people lumping all the bnet people together then you dish on all the closed beta testers as though they are all the same.
We do report bugs, and we want the game to come out probably worse than all of you do.
Since everyone seems to ignore what testers say though, I am not going to waste anymore time arguing with you dicks, im just going to go do some more WoW testing, to help make the game better for playing.

I speak in that way couse i still haven't heard a closed beta testers saying "Good we are near release" or "Im happy the world will have to possibility to try it". If there is someone that is happy with game release now plz report it to me. As i can't find one and as i tried stress test i think that you are all mad or that you want to keep playing free and keep the possibility to say: **** you off i am beta tester.
Than what have a man to think about a community born by: Whiners,Mafious and friends to mafious people. You were all selected from fansite,guilds or blizzard friends. So plz do not talk about other communities where we try to ban people like you.

I want to have answer to only a question: Is there NOW a game better than WoW (mmorpg talking)? If the answer is no and obviuosly it is NO the game is ready for lunch.

[Kronious]

I agree with Farter Jack
LeT~~~~My ~~~~OpEn~~~~bEtA ~~~~~GOooooOOOOooooOOO! :thanks:

[Squarebob Spongepants]

the game is ready for lunch.
:lol: :lol:

Sorry, but that typo was just too funny. No offense but... :lol:

*manages to crawl from the floor and back onto his chair*

Phew... That one made my day :D

[MercenaryEDK]

thanks alot spongepants... its 8pm and now im starved because you brought lunch up just because i didnt have any......

[Arioch]

I'm ready for lunch too!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

*still laughing*

Someone please tell me how to add a signature :lol: I haven't been able to figure that out :(

[Bunsen]

The stress test has completely killed the joy of playing any of the other MMO's I have chars on. I mean, waiting for the shuttle on SWG was boring before, but now it's excrutiating.

I had been re-opening my EQ account every time a new expansion came out. This time I tried OoW and quit after a VERY long two hours of aggravation. I'm never going back into that pit of despair. The first "talkie" movies were just that - a man's face on the screen saying words. Sure that was amazing - for a while. But any studio that stuck with the "tried and true" format died a painful and well-deserved death. Sorry, but I don't get the mindset that a game has to last forever before I will play - I play till I get bored and then quit. I just want to try WoW out; if they keep adding content, I'll stay, if not I'll just let the account lapse until something piques my interest again. Geeze, I really don't see the big deal.

As for SWG, I'm glad nobody's tried to use that as an example of what happens when there's not enough beta testing as some have in the past. I'm sure someone would have thrown even more asterisks at me if they had tried! That game was nothing but a big steaming pile of Bantha poodoo from day one; sure they could have waited to release it until it had spaceships and Jedi’s, and ok, maybe hanging out in a bar watching female impersonators sing and dance would have rejuvenated you a little faster (or slower) to balance things out. BUT WHO CARES? It would still have been a big steaming pile of Bantha poodoo.

No game will ever be perfect, but no world will ever even be close. The bottom line is if an MMORPG sucks, odds are it will continue to suck in the future. If an MMORPG is good, whatever content is in it now will be worth playing now; and people who want more content (or more balance or polish or whatever) can just wait a little while to join in. Seriously, I don't see the big deal.

[Bunsen]

:eek: I would consider "use your mailbox" as a huge bug... depending how common it is. Say that only every 1000 player stumble on this bug and all you have to do to work around the bug is to do a quick relog. It's not that bad. You can find bugs like that in games that have ben in the stored for over a year and have more then 500 k subscribers.

Somebody on the beta boards complained about this recently. A developer smacked him down by saying this whole feature was originally going to be put in after release. Hopefully, new features like this will keep being added for years. Hey, it's only a game, just because we're not beta testers doesn't mean we can't deal with a few bugs. An MMORPG isn't supposed to be finished the day it's released; that's when the real evolution starts.

This is a natural human reaction: when people feel needed, they don't want to give that up. Beta testers just have to realize that the rest of us aren't a bunch of hothouse flowers.

"Hes a lvl 15 white lion that is a quest which you can kill in 3 to 4 hits, more easily than a lvl 12 regular huntress."

Seriously, if these are the biggest examples of flaws that beta testers can come up with, the game is way past ready for prime time.

[Valgarus]

Wow, what an incredibly opinionated thread. We may have to call being angry at beta testers, a racial slurr. Personally, I'm not a beta tester, im an ST person. It's my belief that the closed beta testers are not to be seen as "selfish and cheap people". They are doing what they were chosen to do, report on the games status and tell blizz what may help the game. It's not as if Blizz is gonna postpone the game if the closed beta testers tell them to anyway. I mean, get real, Blizzard is full of highly capable adults and aren't gonna be told what to do, unless its poppa vivendi.

I hate arguments, yet love hearing peoples opinions. Well, this is mine, take it or leave it. :thumbsup:

[Blackmoore]

*still laughing*

Someone please tell me how to add a signature :lol: I haven't been able to figure that out :(
Omg! Best Typo of the week!

Siggies are only found when you donate to the .net sites. Unless, you want hard labour and do it yourself.

[Garibaldi]

Omg that was hilarious!!!!!!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Best typo I've ever seen. Too bad I can't make a signature of it :( The easy way that is.

Let's try it the hard way and see how it looks.

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The game is ready for lunch.
:lol:

[Oddjob]

Somebody on the beta boards complained about this recently. A developer smacked him down by saying this whole feature was originally going to be put in after release. Hopefully, new features like this will keep being added for years. Hey, it's only a game, just because we're not beta testers doesn't mean we can't deal with a few bugs. An MMORPG isn't supposed to be finished the day it's released; that's when the real evolution starts.

This is a natural human reaction: when people feel needed, they don't want to give that up. Beta testers just have to realize that the rest of us aren't a bunch of hothouse flowers.



Seriously, if these are the biggest examples of flaws that beta testers can come up with, the game is way past ready for prime time.


There are other problems

For instance, as a Hunter it would be nice for me to have access to some talents. Most classes have them but not all have been put in yet.

There are still a lot of bugged quests

I have only been playing a bit more than a week now but I know this game isn't quite ready for release. There is some content that should be in before release that isn't.

Some of the beta testers are just asking for it to be delayed out of greed I expect, but I bet a lot of you asking for an open beta are only doing it to get a free go on WoW.

[Garibaldi]

Best typo I've ever seen. Too bad I can't make a signature of it :( The easy way that is.

Let's try it the hard way and see how it looks.

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The game is ready for lunch.
:lol:



One word...

Awesome.

[Blackmoore]

Sponge: use this line. Looks better. Plus its exact format.

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[Squarebob Spongepants]

Sponge: use this line. Looks better. Plus its exact format.

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Thanks :D

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The game is ready for lunch.
:lol:

[Blackmoore]

Nono...don't center it. Like this!
Huzzah!
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Aedelas Blackmoore: A helluva drunk, cruel SOB and...War Hero

[Squarebob Spongepants]

I wish I could change the color on the text too :D

Nah... Scrap that. It's a kinda nice 'spongy' yellow. Matches my avatar :uhhuh:

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The game is ready for lunch. :lol:

[Mr.Sunrock]

As for SWG, I'm glad nobody's tried to use that as an example of what happens when there's not enough beta testing as some have in the past. I'm sure someone would have thrown even more asterisks at me if they had tried! That game was nothing but a big steaming pile of Bantha poodoo from day one; sure they could have waited to release it until it had spaceships and Jedi’s, and ok, maybe hanging out in a bar watching female impersonators sing and dance would have rejuvenated you a little faster (or slower) to balance things out. BUT WHO CARES? It would still have been a big steaming pile of Bantha poodoo.

Actily SWG was alot better in beta then it was when it whent live. In beta you could join the huts as a faction like you could join the Rebel Aliance and the Imperials for one example. That was never introdused to the live servers. Way? I realy dont know. I can go on about how the jedi system killed the game and so on but for call it a pile of bantha poodoo is a lie. SWG is one of the best MMORPG's out there. And SWG is the best game ever made if you like the crafting and merchant aspect of the game.

Im in JTL Beta so I cant say enything about that... or not mush. But I can say it looks prity darn good. JTL will make SWG a hole new game. JTL have very little in common with SWG in play style. For an example the fighting are in real time and it's your skill as a player that will determen if you will die or live to see an other day.

Enyway this is a forum about WoW and not SWG and the WoW team have had dubble the time to get the game ready then SWG had so it would be stupid to compare it

[SpiritWalker]

I hope Blizzard aint listening to this crap "we want game now!!11!1". Some of you more desperate people might pay for an unfinished game, but I certainly will not.

And don't gimme any crap like "but I played in the stresstest!", ********e, you could maybe have maxed 1 char in that time, even that's sickning if you managed that, so you have no idea what you are talking about, unless you have played every char till the maximum level, visited every zone, done every quest etc etc, which I am willing to bet you haven't.

So stop your whining and just wait till Blizzard thinks it's finished.

[Oberon]

I hope Blizzard aint listening to this crap "we want game now!!11!1". Some of you more desperate people might pay for an unfinished game, but I certainly will not.

I take it then you never plan on ever buying WoW because as a MMORPG it will always be a work in progress.

[Blackmoore]

Easy Oberon...keep ya cool. All of ya! Keep your cool! No flaming!
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[MercenaryEDK]

Start the fire mwahhahahahhahhahahhaha!!!! lol

[SpiritWalker]

Easy Oberon...keep ya cool. All of ya! Keep your cool! No flaming!
Rofl, that's not flaming, that's making an *** out of yourself, because you know what I am talking about, but you twist my words into something you damn well know I didn't mean.

So Oberon, if you haven't anything better to do than to twist my words, please don't say anything at all.

[Mr.Sunrock]

I hope Blizzard aint listening to this crap "we want game now!!11!1". Some of you more desperate people might pay for an unfinished game, but I certainly will not.

And don't gimme any crap like "but I played in the stresstest!", ********e, you could maybe have maxed 1 char in that time, even that's sickning if you managed that, so you have no idea what you are talking about, unless you have played every char till the maximum level, visited every zone, done every quest etc etc, which I am willing to bet you haven't.

So stop your whining and just wait till Blizzard thinks it's finished.

/pat SpiritWalker on the head
/say There there
/give SpiritWalker a valium
/say Take this one and call me to morrow

Way would you have to manage to done every thing in the game? Or even to get to lv 60 with all classes?

I have not even played in the ST I have only read about the game on difrent forums. But I have played MMORPGs for a long time now. A MMORPG does not have to be 100% finished or 100% bug free/balanced for it to be launshed. From the what I have read that the comunity corespondents on the official forum have writen I can see that the game is very close to be finished. So the wining from the beta testers that there is not enuf content in the game or that high lv things are not 100% finished might be importent to the testers now. But not impotent to if the game will go gold or not.

[Etra]

So stop your whining and just wait till Blizzard thinks it's finished.

I just thought I'd point out that, that's what the closed beta people are complaining about...Blizzard thinks their game is soon done and [some] of the closed beta testers don't like that. >>;

Anyways, I could care less when it comes out. I think you're all making a big fuss over a game. It'll be out in November, and that date wont change. Even if closed beta testers keep complaining. <____<

[blindcside]

not every one is bad. not all the CB testers are elitists and not all the bnet ppl are "l337d00ds" or "kiddies". some are bad, some are not. there are pleanty of CB testers that laugh at the other ones for saying "hey we should get rewards for testing this game" and then there are the ones who want a reward for thier hard "work" you can't just throw every one i the same boat.

is the game ready for realse?
for an MMO, yes. most poished MMO for sure.
will you and i and every one else pay to play? yes.
and if you think you want to wait for it to be fixed more to play it, then wait.

on a side note, any CB tester who says that they should get a reward or keep their chars etc. there is one reason blizz won't do this.
- the game doesn't suck.

[SpiritWalker]

/give SpiritWalker a valium
*takes the valium* good stuff..

I have not even played in the ST I have only read about the game on difrent forums. But I have played MMORPGs for a long time now. A MMORPG does not have to be 100% finished or 100% bug free/balanced for it to be launshed. From the what I have read that the comunity corespondents on the official forum have writen I can see that the game is very close to be finished. So the wining from the beta testers that there is not enuf content in the game or that high lv things are not 100% finished might be importent to the testers now. But not impotent to if the game will go gold or not.
Well then the difference between you and me lies in the fact that I don't think a game should be released before the company itself thinks it's finished and not the unpatient people who think it's finished, but don't know what the company is still planning on adding and wanting to test, + all the things you do know they still should add.

My oppinion is a game shouldn't go retail if it's not finished, and specially for you people who say it will never be finished, I mean of course finished as in as good as it can be.

[SpiritWalker]

I just thought I'd point out that, that's what the closed beta people are complaining about...Blizzard thinks their game is soon done and [some] of the closed beta testers don't like that. >>;
Well maybe some of them think it's not finished because they are still finding many bugs? They are still missing content? They are still finding broken quests? They still find that every class should at least have all its talents?

Just because the unfinished game has a lot of content and not as many bugs as other MMO's does that mean its ready for retail?

[SpiritWalker]

I just thought I'd point out that, that's what the closed beta people are complaining about...Blizzard thinks their game is soon done and [some] of the closed beta testers don't like that. >>;
Well maybe some of them think it's not finished because they are still finding many bugs? They are still missing content? They are still finding broken quests? They still find that every class should at least have all its talents?

Just because the unfinished game has a lot of content and not as many bugs as other MMO's does that mean its ready for retail?

[FuTaCi]

Just because the unfinished game has a lot of content and not as many bugs as other MMO's does that mean its ready for retail?


Maybe its just me but I thought the whole discussion was about it going into open beta not retail. I have read it many times in this thread, and I agree whole heartedly that the more that are testing the faster it gets ready for retail. Honestly though, Its does seem to me that there is a good sized portion of the CBers that just don't want to give up the "honor" , i guess, of playing when no one else can.


P.S. I don't consider what I have said here to be a slam towards all of the CBers, and would like to extend a very fervent "THANK YOU!!!!!" to all the CBers for all the work and time they have put forth thus far.

[Pietoro]

I don't mind if some of the endgame content is delayed, as long as the basic game mechanics (talents, quests, etc) work properly. I wouldn't go so far to say 'its ready to be released now' because it really isn't, there are still basic things that need finishing.

[Patroklus]

It's true that alot of the top notch players probably don't even really post in the forums, and if they do they certainly don't say stupid stuff like "Hey let me keep my character in retail!". I love when the CB testers will crunch numbers on like healing efficiency and dps and what not, that is all so valuable to me in terms of selecting a char or just learning about the game in general. Still though, enough testers are posting ideas and suggestions that are soooooo far removed from what would be in the best interests of the retail customers that I can't help but take offense.

[Oberon]

Rofl, that's not flaming, that's making an *** out of yourself, because you know what I am talking about, but you twist my words into something you damn well know I didn't mean.

So Oberon, if you haven't anything better to do than to twist my words, please don't say anything at all.

You said "Some of you more desperate people might pay for an unfinished game, but I certainly will not." Blizzard has already made it clear the game will be shipped unfinished - as is the case with all MMO games. At what point would you consider it finished? When Malestrom and Northrend are available? When hero classes are available? Maybe when they've added weather?

Also you're the one with the elitist attitude dismissing the contributions of 100,000 stress testers stating we "have no idea what you are talking about". We may not have the experience in playing the game you CBT's have had but to dismiss our opinions as irrelevant is inexcusable.

I say let Blizzard start the open beta and release it when they feel it's ready and ignore all of the CBT crybabies. If they don't want to buy the game then fine. Let them play EQ2.

[Mr.Sunrock]

I say let Blizzard start the open beta and release it when they feel it's ready and ignore all of the CBT crybabies. If they don't want to buy the game then fine. Let them play EQ2.

Hmm EQ2 looks like it's going to be a rather good game in SOE standard. The cry babies deserv a game like Auto Assault (http://www.autoassault.com/) :lol:

[Deaths.Utility]

Here's how I see it.. everyone who wants to whine that the game isn't ready for OB, let them whine.

It's not up to them or us... If blizzard thinks it's ready ,so be it... and if it's not ready then we'll just have to suck it up.. take it like a..... man???

if i stole someone elses reply oh well i didn't feel like reading all of them.

[Bhs Crew]

I just love to hear when a tester describes his time playing WoW like he's working a job or doing his duty. He wants recognition for hard work, or a reward.

I mean please people, testing this game is an honor. If you don't realize that step aside and let someone else have your account. I have played that game and yes there are some bugs but I felt happy, and grateful to play it. If I felt like it was a burden I would stop and do something else.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular it's more of a general rant.

[AcidPope]

I don't group all CB in with the current wave of CBT whiners. I know that for every CBT I see crying, acting selfish or being a smacktard, there are 50+ normal & decent CBT's who are not posting or have posted and have no problem with the OBT coming.

My main gripe is the misconceptions alot of CBT's have about the game and the testing process. These include but are not limited to them thinking OBT = retail. Them assuming that an OBT can't be as effective and contributing as they are. That OBT are all immature kiddies who have no manners.

The truth is while OBT are usually the final phase before retail, the time which any OBT lasts isn't a set number and can last quite some time. The OBT can find and report bugs just as effectively as a CBT. That there is a large amount of OBT who are upstanding individuals, who have been in multiple CBT & OBT and know what is expected of them and act accordingly in a mature fashion.

Blizzard announced OBT coming soon. This is literal and not meant to be interpreted as OBT coming soon followed in a month by retail. Is the game not ready for retail? I would agree it isn't. It's just the thing is retail was never announced so why are CBT freaking out or even acting like they know when retail will be. Retail release date, by anyone outside of Blizzard, is 100% speculation and people worrying about it and crying their mantra at every turn are reactionary idiots.

On a side note, has anyone seen or heard any news on if CBT characters will be wiped or if OBT servers will be new so everyone begins at square one?

[muteownz]

sorry if someone else mentioned this but its not the fact that they want more time for closed beta.. its the people that want some kind of reward for being a beta tester.. please.. how STUPID is that. the reward was getting to play the beta for FREE for what.. 7+ months!? and they want a reward!! hah! i've never heard such crap in my life... honestly thats like winning a shopping spree at a mall and saying "what do i get for spending all this money!?!?!" *rolls eyes*

[AcidPope]

I almost forgot. To the CBT who act as though they are/where somehow some kind of divining factor to the product that will be retail WoW, please get over yourself. I have no problem acknowledging the effort you have put into your own testing of the game. Just at no time think that without you or any other CBT participants that the end result wouldn't have been the same or an equivalent level of completion/excellence. When I see CBT act like "This area is complete/this content was included/this bug was found/etc because of MY personal presence in the CBT! You have ME to thank for all of this!" I want to just smack them. Reality is, that content would have been included/that bug would have been caught/that area would have been completed with you in the CBT or without you in the CBT. Personal proclamation or even group for that matter of this type of thing is just pure conceit. Your contribution, while appreciated by gamers like myself, was inevitable with or without you.

I've been in many CBT & OBT on titles ranging from DOA to awesome long lived games. At no time did I consider myself better or even more useful then anyone else in the CBT or subsequent OBT. I also must admit that I have never really noticed a significant increase in the percentage of smacktards between the CBT & OBT. I also never noticed a difference in playing atmosphere during the transition from one to the other.

[Hydro]

I see no reason not to release the open beta immediately, the more testers the better.
My argument is that its not ready for RETAIL - open beta could have started when the ST did :)

[Oberon]

I see no reason not to release the open beta immediately, the more testers the better.
My argument is that its not ready for RETAIL - open beta could have started when the ST did :)

I believe we can agree on that. In a way it might make things better for retail by (1) allowing more people to find more bugs (2) with more people the servers can be checked and rechecked similar to during the stress test (3) with an OB Blizzard will finally not have to hear our whining about wanting to play but not being able to. This last reason will lift much of the preasure - at least from non-CBT's and from worry of losing out to EQ2 should it be released earlier. Vivendi would still like WoW released before year's end and most likely before the Christmas season is over so the absolute latest would be mid-December. This would give them another month to add and fix things instead of rushing for a mid-November release and few non-Vivideni folks would complain since the players get to play the game and Blizzard gets more time to complete the job and more players to test the game.

[sakki]

Well maybe some of them think it's not finished because they are still finding many bugs? They are still missing content? They are still finding broken quests? They still find that every class should at least have all its talents?

Just because the unfinished game has a lot of content and not as many bugs as other MMO's does that mean its ready for retail?

No,

If anyone here has tried the mac EQ experience i think they would hold their horses on the release of WoW for a couple of months more just to be sure things work even remotly like they should :cheesy:
I have been playing eq for the past 4-5years or so both pc and mac, and that has definatly been work in progress, especially the later of the 2.
There is so many bugs in the mac version it is actually more of a chore to play, and this is prime time where you pay for it!
I would rather wait additional months for WoW to be released so they have time to add all the stuff, that beta testers here and on alot of other forums have said, is missing.
However.. im all for them moving to open beta... open beta does not necessarily mean that the game is ready in 2 or 3 weeks as people speculate... it only means that they are opening up the game for more beta testers, im sure they still want to add atleast some of the unfinished stuff before bumping the status to gold..
Well in the end Blizzard will have more to say on this matter than you or I, or any other poor fool :buddies:

[Syndakit]

No,

If anyone here has tried the mac EQ experience i think they would hold their horses on the release of WoW for a couple of months more just to be sure things work even remotly like they should :cheesy:
I have been playing eq for the past 4-5years or so both pc and mac, and that has definatly been work in progress, especially the later of the 2.
There is so many bugs in the mac version it is actually more of a chore to play, and this is prime time where you pay for it!


All those bugs and you still play? Obviously you dont care that much about bugs, so according to that theory, WoW IS ready for release.

[sakki]

All those bugs and you still play? Obviously you dont care that much about bugs, so according to that theory, WoW IS ready for release.

No I dont play it anymore, i left due to all the bugs, most highlevel content was locked in due to bugs in flagging for Planes of Power areas...
And i know alot of people that did the same there, and most likely wont be going back to a SOE game due to the horrific support and long reaction time to correct said bugs (i do believe they put a bandaid on these issues a month or so ago).
However yes i did play the pc version with all its bugs and quirks for many years..

[WidowMaker]

Seriously, if these are the biggest examples of flaws that beta testers can come up with, the game is way past ready for prime time.

that depends on if blizzards wants to lose the power gamers, as far as i've understood there's around 3 lvl 60 instances in the game and practically nothing else for anyone that lvl to do to entertain himself. so either they will leave the game for having nothing to do or maybe we will just see mass ganking on the PvP server?

Blizzard is even still messing around with the basics of the game, changing mana/hp regen? We can allways argue that Battlegrounds and Hero classes are to be added after release, so its ready, but come on..

im sure Northrend and the Maelstrom will come after release too, as will alot of other content to beta testers wont see it all. but there's still the fact that the horde's lands are unpolished, despite they will work on them after release it will cause alot of kids to whine about how they lvl slower than alliance and bla bla bla.. so much talk about bnet kiddies, and those on bnet who actually are like that WILL whine about worse lands than alliance no matter what they're told.

[Mr.Sunrock]

that depends on if blizzards wants to lose the power gamers, as far as i've understood there's around 3 lvl 60 instances in the game and practically nothing else for anyone that lvl to do to entertain himself. so either they will leave the game for having nothing to do or maybe we will just see mass ganking on the PvP server?

Blizzard is even still messing around with the basics of the game, changing mana/hp regen? We can allways argue that Battlegrounds and Hero classes are to be added after release, so its ready, but come on..

im sure Northrend and the Maelstrom will come after release too, as will alot of other content to beta testers wont see it all. but there's still the fact that the horde's lands are unpolished, despite they will work on them after release it will cause alot of kids to whine about how they lvl slower than alliance and bla bla bla.. so much talk about bnet kiddies, and those on bnet who actually are like that WILL whine about worse lands than alliance no matter what they're told.

I expect to see new content around every months added to the game after releace. Even if they "finish" the game before they releace it. I expect to see new dungeons, more high lv mobs, new quests and so on. Then they have promised player houses, heros and battlegrounds...

So the game can never be called finished. All we expext to see is that the game mech is working. And if you have experience of MMORPGs there will allways be crybabies no matter what they do.

PS:
If your playing on a Mac you have nothing else then yourself to blame ;)

[strychnon]

What I dislike most about reading the closed beta WoW forums is the amount of flaming and trolling that occurs. On the stress beta WoW forum, most of the players were grateful for the opportunity to get a taste of WoW. Alot of constructive criticism and praise was offered to the developers. Trolls lurked but flames did not comprise the majority of posts. Blizzard even extended the stress beta several days because they found it to be so beneficial. Stress beta board impression: :scratch: :idea: with thumbs up and applause (as I'm limited to 4 smilies in this post for some reason).

On the closed beta WoW forums, I spend alot of time rolling over flames and memorizing troll names so I can remember to fast forward over their posts while searching for constructive posts. Most of the threads I read have been flamed crisp and finding a good string of posts is an accomplishment. Closed beta boards impression: :rant:x4 with occasional :idea: with more ranting.

Offering constructive criticism is a good thing. Insulting posters w/o provocation and commenting that game mechanics "suck/blow" w/o going into detail is not. I would love to see trolls get their beta accesses yanked and passed onto the next testers on the waiting list. Trolls are not using their privileged access for what it was intended--working to make the released product polished and enjoyable. Nerfing trolls by giving them incredibly shortened lifespans would be a morale improvement for dedicated testers and developers, and a nerf upon which most players could agree.

[sakki]

What I dislike most about reading the closed beta WoW forums is the amount of flaming and trolling that occurs. On the stress beta WoW forum, most of the players were grateful for the opportunity to get a taste of WoW. Alot of constructive criticism and praise was offered to the developers. Trolls lurked but flames did not comprise the majority of posts. Blizzard even extended the stress beta several days because they found it to be so beneficial. Stress beta board impression: :scratch: :idea: with thumbs up and applause (as I'm limited to 4 smilies in this post for some reason).

On the closed beta WoW forums, I spend alot of time rolling over flames and memorizing troll names so I can remember to fast forward over their posts while searching for constructive posts. Most of the threads I read have been flamed crisp and finding a good string of posts is an accomplishment. Closed beta boards impression: :rant:x4 with occasional :idea: with more ranting.

Offering constructive criticism is a good thing. Insulting posters w/o provocation and commenting that game mechanics "suck/blow" w/o going into detail is not. I would love to see trolls get their beta accesses yanked and passed onto the next testers on the waiting list. Trolls are not using their privileged access for what it was intended--working to make the released product polished and enjoyable. Nerfing trolls by giving them incredibly shortened lifespans would be a morale improvement for dedicated testers and developers, and a nerf upon which most players could agree.

I 100% agree with you, it seems to me that the beta testers that are very vocal on the beta board see this more of an oppertunity to play the game as a finished product than to hunt for bugs as their access was intended, however there do seem to be a select few of them that seems to take the "job" seriously. It's the continous randing there that gets to me aswell, i would think that Blizzard would do something about it, and yeah revoking beta status would only seem fair to everyone sitting and waiting in anticipiation for a word from blizzard that they have been lukcy in the random pickings. *thumbs up smiley* on that message! (quoting you takes me to the smiley limit)

[Ogre929]

Smiley limit?!?!?! WTF?!?! LMAO!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Yeah, you're limited to 4 smilies in a post. I have no idea why :scratch:

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The game is ready for lunch. :lol:

[Oddjob]

I would just like to say that in my encounters with many, many other EU testers so far (I think 1000+ alliance players were on today when I was on) I have only met one person who I found even mildly annoying.

I think it's just that most of the people posting on the boards are the ones who get pissed off easily for no reason because you're more likely to post about something you do like than something you don't.

Maybe europeans are just nicer than Americans though :)

[Patroklus]

Your time is best spent following the posts of certain individuals you know to be reliable. I've found gigashadow on the priest forum to be extremely helpful in offering dps and healing calculations as well as other great gameplay information. Also BEEF and Zaknafein offer up great info regarding their specific classes. By focusing on specific people you avoid alot of the trolls, and usually I've found the top posters won't even waste their time with a BS thread.

[SpiritWalker]

You said "Some of you more desperate people might pay for an unfinished game, but I certainly will not." Blizzard has already made it clear the game will be shipped unfinished - as is the case with all MMO games. At what point would you consider it finished? When Malestrom and Northrend are available? When hero classes are available? Maybe when they've added weather?
When they think it's finished.

Also you're the one with the elitist attitude dismissing the contributions of 100,000 stress testers stating we "have no idea what you are talking about". We may not have the experience in playing the game you CBT's have had but to dismiss our opinions as irrelevant is inexcusable.
That attitude was more directed to one certain person who thought just because he played the stresstest he knew everything about the game and could decide in 1 week if the game has few enough bugs in it to go retail.

He also couldn't care less if the game had content missing like whole talent trees for certain classes.

I say let Blizzard start the open beta and release it when they feel it's ready and ignore all of the CBT crybabies. If they don't want to buy the game then fine. Let them play EQ2.
EQ2 doesn't even sound that bad, from what I have heard they might make it a good game. Doesn't mean I am going to play it though.

Besides I am in the Europe closed beta, and that one will last past the US release, if I am correct, which could mean Europe will get a somewhat smoother version.

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Maybe we should compile a list of reliable and knowledgeable posters?

Edit: This was in response to Patroklus' post.

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The game is ready for lunch. :lol:

[MercenaryEDK]

Damn actually i thought this was a thread about how we all hate the annoying Closed beta asses that are taking the "job" too seriously " WoW Beta Testers are Pissing me off! " was the title, it did say all beta testers are pissing him off, and i agree with him about some people although lets all remember there are those people that really want it to go retail soon so are actually helping blizzard instead of hold beta slots that more able people could be using, but come on if i anyone here doesnt think the character data shouldnt be wiped for open beta and definatly retail then your just god damn greedy and thats all there is too it no ifs ands or buts! Also no one should have a problem with open beta being released because it will help blizzard alot more than closed beta is in predicting especially what will happen upon release, how the servers work during much longer periods of time with lots of people, even more than the stress test had because i know there are people out there that didnt get to play WoW at all yet and i feel sorry for you (i still remember quite well the images of my tauren druid and his 10 day adventure, the sounds are absolutly amazing) can we all definatly agree on those 2 facts! cause if we cant then their is something seriously wrong
sry about any misspellings or my misuse of words
- Sincerely Grangro Tauren Druid

ps i think they used my character to make lunch the next day at school....that cheeseburger tasted funny with a slight hint of leather too......

[Patroklus]

I can definitely agree. You really have your priorities completely out of whack if you honestly believe you deserve to keep your beta characters. You have to ask yourself how committed someone like that really is to providing an unbiased approach to testing this game. If they had their way CB would never end, the game would never be released, and they could all live out their little elitist lives without worrying about b.net dOOds or the annoyance of newblet players. So yes I agree with:


1) Any objection to the startup of open beta is completely invalid and offensive.

2) Anyone who says that they deserve a reward or should be allowed to keep a beta character upon retail release deserves any flaming they receive.

[Bunsen]

Damn actually i thought this was a thread about how we all hate the annoying Closed beta asses that are taking the "job" too seriously " WoW Beta Testers are Pissing me off! " was the title, it did say all beta testers are pissing him off, ...

OK, maybe not 100% "all", but the point I was trying to make earlier (maybe I need to learn to hit the keys more sarcastically?) was that I sure as heck haven't gotten the "vibe" from beta testers that the only reason they want release to be delayed is because they're so gosh darned worried about helping the rest of us be happier and more fulfilled. Or if they have tried to give that impression, it's been a really really really insincere effort.

And strangely, all the hateful diatribes I've seen from beta testers on this thread STILL haven't given me any warm fuzzy feelings about that.

Sure, the undercurrent of "poor old sacrificing me" complaints is a lot more obviously silly here than in most real-life examples, but the fact that it exists at all tells a lot. It's the same as in politics: when a group of people are in a position that makes them feel simultaneously needed and elite, that feeling is addictive - they don't want to let that go. Like any other addiction, some people resist it more than others - but the pull is always there.

[AcidPope]

What I dislike most about reading the closed beta WoW forums is the amount of flaming and trolling that occurs. On the stress beta WoW forum, most of the players were grateful for the opportunity to get a taste of WoW. Alot of constructive criticism and praise was offered to the developers. Trolls lurked but flames did not comprise the majority of posts.

I think this is a direct result of the length the CBT has lasted. The average power gamer has their character to the max soon after every patch raising the level. Once they do this they are right back to having nothing to do. Nothing to do leads to this type of behavior. They may have nothing to do on their max character, but it they were real testers playing for testing sake they would start a new character and max that, then start a new chracter and max that, changing classes/races or both each time. The process of testing should never reach a "I have nothing left to do". There is always something left to do, unless you are only refering to what is left to do for your entertainment and not the testing process. Everyone with a max level that has done "all" the things they think they can do should simply start a new character, preferably one of the incomplete classes. Anyone just sitting on a max character waiting for Blizz to serve them up more stuff for that character instead of making a new one needs a good swift kick in the butt.

[Cell]

Plain and simple, a majority of the beta testers have not reached the point in physical developement which allows human beings to cope.

As far as I am concerned, the complaining group are merely whining babies who can't stand the prospect of starti9ng at lvl 1 with everyone else.

Reality Check: You signed up for beta... did you actually have ANY idea what a beta test was?!

[MercenaryEDK]

sorry guys i meant to say, it DIDNT say all beta testers are pissing him off, ... , my computer was lagging so i couldnt fix it till now i dod that alot it actually almost got my *** kicked once cause i said hoe to a girl instead of how...... slip of the fingers or i just forget to finish the word.....

[Gromper]

Anyone just sitting on a max character waiting for Blizz to serve them up more stuff for that character instead of making a new one needs a good swift kick in the butt.
I gotta agree and throw in my two cents. I am looking forward to open beta, and have not played at all yet.

1. I am sure Blizz is doing all they can, but many of the whiny closed beta testers have lost sight of the game. It is a game to be played. I hear a lot about "camping" an instance so they can level faster. They don't understand the joy of the game is the struggle to greatness, not instant leveling.

2. Nothing anyone in any forum says or guesses will change the date of Blizz's decision to begin open beta - but it will happen. I am sure Blizz already has a release date in mind, but would you want to lose your job with Blizzard only to leak the info to the world? I think not.

3. Not ready for retail? The beta testers have been addicted to this game for a long time. Do you think the general public who are anxious for WOW will lose interest due to any of the petty concerns of the beta testers?

4. Not that the game will be complete or balanced by release, the team will continue to work on the game and numerous patches will be coming out adding content and balancing the classes as we play on. There is plenty to do in WOW that will keep us interested, and as new low level content is added, we can start a new character and play through it, because I am sure I won't have all lvl 60 characters for a while as I do have a life and will play WOW only a couple of hours a day, not 40 hrs (or more) a week like some of the addicts.

5. If beta testers would do less whining and have more constructive input to the forums to help the progress of the game, maybe we'd all be a little better off.

I have the greatest confidence in Blizzard. The open beta will happen. The release will happen. The game will continue to improve for years, and I will probably play it for years. You will too!

[MercenaryEDK]

sry................

[MercenaryEDK]

DOnt forget its not all beta testers in the forums there are even some beta testers *****ing at other beta testers for *****ing and those that are grown up enough that they just ignore those people and play the game
:thumbsup: thanks to those that no one knows about :howdy: :clap: :worship:

[Gromper]

My previous post was not directed at all beta testers, just the ones who's whiny ramblings take up more space than they're worth. I know there are many quality beta testers out there who actually contribute constructive posts. They are probably in the majority. I only have distate for space wasters.

[MercenaryEDK]

Yea i know that but i was just making sure everyone else did so you know people didnt get all mad or anything some people go crazy when they mad.........

[Azzi]

Most folks feel that open beta won't begin until the game goes GOLD.
Meaning the shipping release is being burned to CD's.

The Open beta would be the big final test and marketing campaign to identify bugs to be patched immediately after you install the game.

Reading the beta boards, I'm a bit surprised that they didn't manage the beta testers a bit better. ie. Have criteria to keep, or lose your slot.
The first time a beta poster posted something ridiculous, they should kill their account, and send the new invite email.

Being in beta is a responsibility to the game. It's not a freebie.
Then again, I'm fairly certain dev's mine game data from all the hamsters running on the wheel, and don't really read what beta's post.

Sure they may glance over posts, but in the end the dev does all the work and that includes figuring out the problems.

I'm not saying all beta feedback posts are useless garbage.
Just most of them.

[the_waco_kid]

They are beginning to sound like people that i avoid in RL. Not all of them, mind you, but the vocal minority is painting a lame picture of the beta testers.

[Ulkieab]

I would just like to put my two pennies in. But I really don't think its ready for retail yet, and defiently not after this patch... bah!!!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Being ready for Open Beta and being ready for Retail are two different things. Some people (not referring to anyone in particular) seem to forget that.

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The game is ready for lunch.

[Neelaus]

Don't get pissed at all of us again just for being closed beta testers.


No the game isn't ready for retail yet.
You played in the stress test? Whoop-de ****ing do, you tested the game for a couple of weeks, we have been testing it for a long time, some of us have been playing since the alpha version. A lot of balancing still needs to be done, a lot of bugs need to be worked out (ESPECIALLY after this last patch, which YOU did not experience), and servers need to be reworked. Horde content needs polish, and talents and spells need to be implemented fully. High lvl zones are not even near done, and some instances are still closed off by GoBs. But you knew all that from your stress test experience right?
Closed beta testers are useless because we just ***** all day right?
Posts like this make me glad that people make posts like "I am not going to group with CB testers" because I wouldn't want to help them in the game anyways, which is what we are doing, we are HELPING Blizzard make this game, which helps you in the end when you play it and Kolkar stormers arent invisible, and the eastern plaguelands actually has quests.

Your just pissed cause there is only a month left of freeloading. Get over it bro.

And for once, would you beta testers look at it from OUR point of view? We who were on the stress test, and those unlucky few who werent, have had very little time in the World of Warcraft, whereas you guys have been playing at your convienience for nearly a year.

So pardon me if I sound prudish, but anyone who ISNT on the beta, could give a rats *** whether or not Horde Content is "polished" enough. Were dying out here you MORONS!

Just as long as the talents are finished and the races are all made viable, then we can go from there as all MMOs do.

[Pai Mai]

The same people that are screaming to postpone the release are the ones that make posts like


"NURF ROGUES, OMG they are so powerful! I am lvl 25 and a lvl 23 rogue killed me that should NEVER happen!"


All beta testers are not created equal. And for the love of god we don't need to postpone release because we could use a couple more lvl 250+ skill crafting items!!!!
No, not every beta tester is like that. I've only been in since after the ST, and I definitely think the game needs A LOT of work yet. It's mostly fine from 1-40, which is where most of the ST players played...not beyond that. I am also one who despises people who scream for nerfs, because it usually ends up with them doing something drastic to lower the power of a specific class than actually tweaking it down, or changing the circumstances in which it is "overpowered". For that reason alone, PvP and PvE will never be balanced no matter how hard they try, yet PvE seems to always suffer the changes the most.

The beta test ending is inevitable, and character wipes are going to happen. I don't in any way feel that the beta should be peoples personal playground that shuts out the outside world, I simply feel the game is being rushed, and that is from only having about five weeks worth of playtime.

And it's not about freeloading either. I played and paid for over three years of EQ, and I don't regret it not being free. I simply don't want to have to pay for a game that is half baked and not actually finished. You should take a look at all of the massive changes that have been made between July up until this latest patch. Each patch seems to entirely rewrite specific mechanics about the game. That shows that they still have no solid idea on where exactly they want it to be. That also means that a lot more of these sweeping changes will take place AFTER people already bought the game.

All of these same people that keep saying "OMG I played the ST for ten days..THE GAME IS FINISHED RELASE IT NOW!!!!one!!shift!!one!!!" Will be the very same people screaming about how the game is buggy and incomplete if it was to be released now.

[Dalamar The Dark]

Come on people, sure the horde lands need polishing, but blizzard said they'd be working on that after release too.. but there's no way blizzard is releasing it now, they wont release it with so little high-end content in the game.. what is there.. 3-4 instances?? they will most likely make 2-3 more before release and then open more after. if they did release it now they would lose alot of whiners because of lack of high end content.. as with all the "bnet kiddies".. those on bnet who are little cheating ¤#&¤#&¤ will leave the game because of nothing to do once they're lvl 60 in 2 weeks. Blizzard wont want to lose so many costumers because of a rushed release..

[AgeOfAbnegation]

You do not have the right to attempt to bully Blizzard into letting you have more free play time at my expense!

What a rant. Ever consider how pissed you'd get if having to pay for gametime, you were put on the backburner by a plethora of bugs, crashes, and unfinished content? Get real, and stop your whining.

[MercenaryEDK]

No, not every beta tester is like that. I've only been in since after the ST, and I definitely think the game needs A LOT of work yet. It's mostly fine from 1-40, which is where most of the ST players played...not beyond that. I am also one who despises people who scream for nerfs, because it usually ends up with them doing something drastic to lower the power of a specific class than actually tweaking it down, or changing the circumstances in which it is "overpowered". For that reason alone, PvP and PvE will never be balanced no matter how hard they try, yet PvE seems to always suffer the changes the most.

The beta test ending is inevitable, and character wipes are going to happen. I don't in any way feel that the beta should be peoples personal playground that shuts out the outside world, I simply feel the game is being rushed, and that is from only having about five weeks worth of playtime.

And it's not about freeloading either. I played and paid for over three years of EQ, and I don't regret it not being free. I simply don't want to have to pay for a game that is half baked and not actually finished. You should take a look at all of the massive changes that have been made between July up until this latest patch. Each patch seems to entirely rewrite specific mechanics about the game. That shows that they still have no solid idea on where exactly they want it to be. That also means that a lot more of these sweeping changes will take place AFTER people already bought the game.

All of these same people that keep saying "OMG I played the ST for ten days..THE GAME IS FINISHED RELASE IT NOW!!!!one!!shift!!one!!!" Will be the very same people screaming about how the game is buggy and incomplete if it was to be released now.

PEOPLE PLZ I ended this thread like a while ago we decided on
1. Open Beta can procede we don't care if its released right away because if open beta opens then we all get in for free although it would be nice to have some of the stuff they are saving for retail.....anyways OPEN BETA CAN PROCEED

2. If you feel you have some right to have you character transfered from closed beta to open beta and especially retail then you need to be smacked around swallowed by a kudo and crapped out a few times plus never be allowed to play WoW period because it doesn't need greedy people it's already going to have enough of them that are smart enough not to blab their mouth off......

3. Make Love Not War, Its Better On The Floor! Esspecially shag rugs..... =)

[Pogo]

I didn't take the time to read all the posts, its probably been said.

In the games I've tested that is always the case, a small minority of immature testers whine in caps that the game isn't ready up until the week of release then predict doom and declare that they won't buy the game now.

Especially after they turn off any experience/loot index multipliers they have in effect.

Its better to just ignore them, the devs do.

[Dalamar The Dark]

3. Make Love Not War, Its Better On The Floor! Esspecially shag rugs..... =)

i support this :thumbsup: :lol:

[Xmatic]

I can definitely agree. You really have your priorities completely out of whack if you honestly believe you deserve to keep your beta characters. You have to ask yourself how committed someone like that really is to providing an unbiased approach to testing this game. If they had their way CB would never end, the game would never be released, and they could all live out their little elitist lives without worrying about b.net dOOds or the annoyance of newblet players. So yes I agree with:


1) Any objection to the startup of open beta is completely invalid and offensive.

2) Anyone who says that they deserve a reward or should be allowed to keep a beta character upon retail release deserves any flaming they receive.


They dont want us to play because it means the distruction of there CB toons. Of course they want it to stay closed so they can explorer, fight and do all the things we want to do with out the added people. (And brag about it in forums) Maybe it makes them feel special?

There should be 0 rewards for CBT, (maybe a gold star but thats it) their payment is the fact they get to play it before everyone else and maybe give some input to the designers. I say they should all just STFU up and let the people getting payed make the desions.

I want to play in the next month. EQ2 will blow just like EQ1. Bugs will allways be there. I just want balance, and from what i hear the game should be balanced in the next week or so.

[Xmatic]

Well maybe some of them think it's not finished because they are still finding many bugs? They are still missing content? They are still finding broken quests? They still find that every class should at least have all its talents?

Just because the unfinished game has a lot of content and not as many bugs as other MMO's does that mean its ready for retail?

Face it nub. The people want WOW. All games have a couple bugs ....yes even Blizzard games, what do you think patches are for? And do you really thing that at some point everything will be fix/perfect????? Euro beta has been up for what ...like a week or two now?? I dont think anyone in it should be posting anything at this point.

BLIZZARD IM READY FOR OB. And if you want to realease it now i wont ***** one freaking bit.

[Pai Mai]

They dont want us to play because it means the distruction of there CB toons. Of course they want it to stay closed so they can explorer, fight and do all the things we want to do with out the added people. (And brag about it in forums) Maybe it makes them feel special?

There should be 0 rewards for CBT, (maybe a gold star but thats it) their payment is the fact they get to play it before everyone else and maybe give some input to the designers. I say they should all just STFU up and let the people getting payed make the desions.

I want to play in the next month. EQ2 will blow just like EQ1. Bugs will allways be there. I just want balance, and from what i hear the game should be balanced in the next week or so.
This is of course your OPINION based on a few people and not the general consensus of all the beta testers. And yep, everyone should just "stfu and let the people getting paid make the decisions", even though that would negate a large part of beta testing. Beta testing isn't just about finding bugs with the game, it's also about making recommendations. Recommendations and ranting are two different things, but they are still both a part of beta testing.

if open beta opens then we all get in for free although it would be nice to have some of the stuff they are saving for retail.....anyways OPEN BETA CAN PROCEED
At least we know why YOU want it to open so badly. Just so you can "play for free". "Open Beta" is a flakey term at best anyway since it's basically nothing more than one big "Open Demo" before release anyway. They aren't going to test within 1-2 weeks what they could not test within six months.

[Xmatic]

This is of course your OPINION based on a few people and not the general consensus of all the beta testers.

Beta testing isn't just about finding bugs with the game, it's also about making recommendations.


At least we know why YOU want it to open so badly. Just so you can "play for free".

Yes it is my OPINION, and im sure not all CB testers are crybabys. Thank you for pointing this out, im mostly directing my post at the crybabys.

Im not sure if the second quote is for me, but I can assure I dont mind paying. I would be happier if there was no open beta, lets just release the game. And your right about open beta...its just a demo for MMORPGs or maybe it to keep people happy for a month longer while they get a few more of the bugs out. We have after all been waiting for a long time.



Im ready for wow we have all waited long enough. Im willing to deal with a few bugs and broken quests, as long as classes are balanced and the game is playable, just dont pull a SWG on us.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Couldn't have said it any better myself Pai Mai. People should listen to you more often. WTF is the point of a beta test, if not to accrue data about the game from players? I'd rather play the retail game now, so as to game with my friends who arent testers - $15/month is nothing to me. Trying to argue from solely a standpoint of subjective desire is folly.

[Jarlo]

The stress test has completely killed the joy of playing any of the other MMO's I have chars on.

This is soo true. After the end of stress test I actually tried to play EQ again a few times and I just couldn't take it. So I re-opened my DAOC account and have been messing around with a ranger there some but that gets boring pretty quickly. So I bought temple of elemental evil for $10 and that has been ok for bridging the gap for a bit.

I need my MMORPG time and the current games are so far behind WoW it is pathetic. I would be more than happy to pay now and deal with some bugs & content issues, I just can't wait to adventure with my RL bud and my brother & his wife again!

I have a great life overall but WoW ruined the MMORPG part of my life as nothing even comes close..

:surprise:

[Oberon]

Based on what I've read here and on other forums, there are three groups of people.

(1) Closed Beta Testers - They've been playing the game for free for usually several months. Some are rude elitists but I'd say most are not. The elitists want the game to remain in closed beta indefinitely since they get to play for free and brag to non-CBT's about it. The other CBT's have mixed feelings about it but by and largely ignore the elitists and instead whine about group #2.

(2) Stress Test Addicts - The 100,000 people who got to play for just over a week. Many like myself were mildly interested in the game before the ST but now see it as crack. Like anyone who becomes addicted to something only to have it removed, we've become frustrated. We constantly browse the forums for news about the game and check our e-mail for the minuscule chance that we've got a closed beta invite. The posts of the elitists in group #1 anger us while the apathy the rest of group #1 has towards these elitists we find perplexing. Instead these people prefer to bash us and label us as "whiners". Are we whiners? Hell yeah! Take crack from a crack addict and see how he reacts. Take your dog's bone away and see how he reacts. Don't play the closed beta for a few weeks and see how you react.

(3) Non-ST Followers - Pretty much everybody else. Their interest in the game varies but having never played the game they're not suffering from withdrawal symptoms like group #2 so they don't "whine" as much.

[Scipio]

Reward for being a beta tester?
That's like asking for a raise after winning the lottery....

[Pai Mai]

Couldn't have said it any better myself Pai Mai. People should listen to you more often. WTF is the point of a beta test, if not to accrue data about the game from players? I'd rather play the retail game now, so as to game with my friends who arent testers - $15/month is nothing to me. Trying to argue from solely a standpoint of subjective desire is folly.
This is exactly how I feel about the subject as well. I would much rather be playing with some old guildmates, real life friends and people that will end up as my new guildmates, rather than the current randomgroup_01 (which usually turns out to be a zerg raid).

And if it's any consolation...
(2) Stress Test Addicts - The 100,000 people who got to play for just over a week. Many like myself were mildly interested in the game before the ST but now see it as crack.
I had "fun" competing during the ST, but then when I actually had the chance to play the game more, the more I play, the less I feel like logging on each day. That, and the currently sloppy download method had me redownloading the entire beta client for five days in a row. During the ST I ended up playing between four to eight hours a day. Now, when I can actually get on, I don't feel like playing more than two before I end up wanting to log for a while.

Reward for being a beta tester?
That's like asking for a raise after winning the lottery....
I agree with this as well. First of all, you are supposed to be helping Blizzard out by being a beta tester, but you being able to "test"/play for free before everyone else is reward enough in itself. People who think they should get a cookie for playing the beta, or even getting to keep their characters just have me rolling my eyes.

[MercenaryEDK]

ehh Pai Mai but do you have anything seriously against them opening open beta, it can last as long as they want and it seem blizzard is one to just go with the flow of other mmorpgs, like i said

1. No one should have anything against open beta, retail is understandable id pay for it but its cause im facing a withdrawl from not being able to play the game, if pai mai for some reason or another you dont feel open beta should start or whatever you had said then can u tell em you account name and password so i can play your characters when your not on i would willingly slave over tehm for free

2. There should be no rewards for testing that would carry over to retail i mean besides a thanks from the blizzard crew or something......

3. Lots all stop hating each other =) we all love WoW here and well if you dont your on the wrong forums, everyone is entitled to their pwn opinion even if they are blatently wrong lol no just messing about the blatent part and we should come to together as a community and work towards a more common goal, The invasion of Antartica so we can build a base for the gamers of the world then conquer the rest of the world so we are in control and force people to do what we say like /fetch food! or /cook or (was going to add something here but its rude and against my principles and ummm children might be on this forum and they shouldnt be seeing that) thanks you good night wait its mid day .....

[captainstandish]

I think it is obvious that Blizzard is rushing the game out to meet that suspected November release date, just in time for the holiday season. However, I do suspect that this is the result of their parent company and not Blizzard themselves. It seems as though, they've had 4 years to develop this game, going at a gingerly pace, and finally now that it's pretty obvious that they have a deadline to meet, they are just rushing through what needs to be done to make an addequate release. Just by reading the interviews and counless "That was planned, but will not be in game on release. It will be patched in, or in an expansion" statements made, it seems as though they are being rushed. Blizzard probably figured they had all the time in the world and would ship the game whenever it's done, but unfortunately it seems as though they do not have that liberty any more and it appears that the overall gameplay experience is suffering for it, judging by the closed beta testers who have been testing the game since the beginning phases. The general consensus appears to be that the game was actually MORE FUN in the earliest phases of beta, and even during alpha, even with all the new abilities and talents etc... The sad thing is, it seems whenever a class thinks something is fun, blizzard looks at it as being overpowered and completely nerfs it or removes it. They are even nerfing classes that need improvements, not nerfs. Instead of allowing classes to be fun and versatile, it seems as though they are pigeon-holing them into their cookie cutter stereotype. Reading past articles on WoW, before all the countless patches, it seemed as though many people were excited about the fact that WoW was doing things different, and the classes weren't the typical cookie cutter types you see in every MMO. While their general make-up might be the same, the flavor in which they were given in WoW is what many procrlaimed to make the game fun, now it seems as though many people are complaining that this class flavor is pretty much all gone. Classes which traditionally never faired well in groups in other MMO's, don't fair well in groups in WoW, and even when they did (such as rogues with improved sap) for some reason Blizzard nerfed it to high heaven making it completely useless and conforming rogues into the solo/pure dps/pity invite class. This is just one of the many examples that countless classes have had to go through. I remember reading about WoW before beta even came out, about a priest and how awsome they seemed, getting away from the typical cleric role. When beta hit, I read about how fun priests were to play and how unique they were. Now it seems priests are simply healbots. Now like I said, I am not in beta myself, but I have a friend that is in and read countless forums anticipating the games release, and it's not just me blowing smoke, it seems to be this way across the board.

I have faith in Blizzard and I know regardless of how beta turns out, they will have a great game upon release. It may not be up to their standards or what we percieve as a Blizzard quality game, but I have no doubt that it will be fun nonetheless. Hell D2 was broken beyond sin and I still played it for over 3 years, and enjoyed every moment, so I'm sure i'll get just as much, if not more, enjoyment out of WoW.

On one hand I am glad the game is going retail soon, simply because I want to play it and have been following it for almost 3 years, but the many closed beta testers feel that the game is not ready. It seems as though with each new patch, Blizzard changes the game to the point where it is completely frustrating and a headache for the testers. I think the testers are simply angry from testing the game so long and having literally all their suggestions go unnoticed. Afterall they are beta testing the game, shouldn't their inputs be the most important thing in shaping a game like this, where the devlopers have the luxury to have the population test their game? Throw egos out the window and get rid of some ****, it's obvious there is crap in the game that is ridiculous, but Blizzard seems to not be listening to almost the entire playerbase.

With that windy statement, I have to say that I cannot wait for WoW, perfect or imperfect. It's a video game, it's not going to be flawless and there are going to be some obvious hickups, but all in all I have no doubt that it will be fun. They just need to listen to the players actually playing the game and get rid of the things which are percieved as not fun, and get this game out there already. Besides, if we waited till Blizzard thought it was perfect, it wouldn't be released for another 6 months to a year.

[MercenaryEDK]

ummm i think blizzard knows what its doing and whether or not the decide to listen to what people say and add or remove depending on what people want.... they arnt stupid and although some people have good suggestion some people dont and since im sure they are working around the clock now to finish things the way they want it they dont have the time to be fixing or changing every lil thing, rgiht now they should be focusing on finishing all the talents and spells/abilities personally after taht they can tweak the other areas

[captainstandish]

ummm i think blizzard knows what its doing and whether or not the decide to listen to what people say and add or remove depending on what people want.... they arnt stupid and although some people have good suggestion some people dont and since im sure they are working around the clock now to finish things the way they want it they dont have the time to be fixing or changing every lil thing, rgiht now they should be focusing on finishing all the talents and spells/abilities personally after taht they can tweak the other areas

I think you might have taken my statement the wrong way. I do realize that Blizzard is trying their damndest to balance everything and make the game enjoyable for every MMO lover on the planet and I realize that is near impossible, but I believe that Blizzard is doing a great job with their game. It's just that I think sometimes, when the majority of playtesters have a problem with an issue, it seems Blizzard is hard pressed to change it, unless it's something glaringly overpowerful like Invis. was. I just think Blizzard is working the wrong way. Instead of building from the bottom up, the are building from the top down. Instead of making the game enjoyable for all classes, some classes get nerfed in attempt to bring them down to the gimped lvl. Who cares if a class is overpowered, why not just power up the other classes to be just as good? I'm sure the people playing the other classe will love them for it. I realize not everybody thinks that way, I guess my mentality is just, if you believe a class is ridiculously powered, then quit whining cause you can play that class too. I dunno, anyway, I do agree with you that they should get the talents in and balance all the classes. That is first and foremost, the most important thing in the game right now IMO.

[Oberon]

I have to agree with captainstandish. Blizzard has taken their sweet time developing the game and finally Vivendi had enough and is forcing them to release it in time for the holiday shopping season. If the game isn't ready by mid-November the folks at Blizzard only have themselves to blame. If nothing else they probably should have hired more programmers.

[MercenaryEDK]

Maybe i did take it wrong as some can vouch for me this whole last weekend(i had monday off too) so thats saturday-monday i didnt sleep like at all except for when i shut my eyes while wait for a responce the only time i wasnt on posting was when i was at the movies sunday and when i got bored and played aoc or Unrealtourny and i only got 4 hours of sleep last night plus the sleeping i did in school which equals like 5 hours or close to it

[captainstandish]

Maybe i did take it wrong as some can vouch for me this whole last weekend(i had monday off too) so thats saturday-monday i didnt sleep like at all except for when i shut my eyes while wait for a responce the only time i wasnt on posting was when i was at the movies sunday and when i got bored and played aoc or Unrealtourny and i only got 4 hours of sleep last night plus the sleeping i did in school which equals like 5 hours or close to it

Don't worry, it's cool man!

I personally would rather see some better money sinks than the durability system. At first reading of the patch, I thought the system would be a great idea and wouldn't really hurt anybody, but in the long run would keep the economy from getting too out of hand. Unfortunately, in it's current state, I don't think it's good for the game at all, let alone the economy. I realize that Blizz is working on it and this is not it's final incarnation, but hopefully it is more of a benefit to the player base as a whole, rather than a large annoyance. I also think that several testers had great ideas on how to incorporate late game money sinks. Poker houses for each faction is a great idea. Being able to play hold 'em, omaha, and 7 card stud against other people would be great. I think through this fact alone, many people would continue to play WoW months and months after they have hit the lvl cap. Obviously this will cause some players to go broke, and the rich will get richer, but each player will have their wash outs and their big pay days. I think this could create a mini-game within WoW itself. Weekly poker tournaments, hosted by players where the winner gets the pot, tournaments hosted by blizzard where they winner gets a cool mount, new items etc... and even have a ranking system within the game itself. The highest ranked tournament players/casual players/ and money game players should get additional titles like "rounder," "card shark" etc... The devs could even come up with their own form of card games. With the popularity of poker right now, I dont see how they could not think something like this is a fun idea. I realize it would take a long time to code and patch into the game, but hey it would be worth it IMO. This would be a HUGE money sink for most players.

[Pai Mai]

ummm i think blizzard knows what its doing and whether or not the decide to listen to what people say and add or remove depending on what people want
Yeah actually they do. As far as them knowing what they are doing, I guess if they are playing "let's play pull the random bad idea from the hat" game every few weeks, then sure.

Right now WoW is nothing spectacular, it's a "polished" EQ1+Kunark expansion, yet even more basic.

And I have nothing against the open beta, besides for the fact that it spells the end of the beta, which means the game is in it's "we are going gold before important changes are made" phase.

Instead of building from the bottom up, the are building from the top down. Instead of making the game enjoyable for all classes, some classes get nerfed in attempt to bring them down to the gimped lvl.
Exactly. They *should* have made the classes, put in the talents and then build the pvp and pve system around it, or at least put in the classes and talents BEFORE "balancing" them against one another and the content. Instead, they simply chip chip chip away at what could have been a great game and all that will be left if they do not do an about face is just a mediocre game.

[Oberon]

Blizzard has been hyping this game for over 3 years now. For that time they've dragged their *** and now Vivendi wants them to earn their pay by finally releasing the game they've been paying them to make all this time. But because the game isn't perfect, CBT's protest and whine about Blizzard rushing things. Blizzard wants everything to be perfect and they want to take their time making it perfect but they also want to hype the public up about it. Vivendi has enough sense to know you can't hype something indefinitely otherwise the public will lose interest by the time the game is released no matter how much you hype it then. They also realize as a company they have to make a profit otherwise no more Blizzard. We're talking about a game, not the Manhattan Project. Blizzard has had more than enough time to get the job done.

[Havard]

I play by myself mostly and it's lonely. :hanky: I can't wait until my retail when my friends can finally join me.

But there's a slight problem with PvP........


They haven't even tested it yet!!!!!


Contrary to what everyone thinks, the current PvP beta server is NOT the way it will be in retail. They have yet to finish Race War, let alone test it.


Quoting Nebu, Blizz's Associate Web Producer:

"Some people are confused about player vs. player combat on our faction war server. This isn't our PVP yet. All that happened was being able to attack/target other factions (previously impossible), and the Green/Red/Yellow zone flags. This is far from complete.... read our original update... The Horde vs. Alliance race war server will establish a straightforward method for the development team to test and balance the races and classes in a PvP environment. PvP concepts will be gradually introduced on this server. This means that the initial implementation of PvP is not how our final model will work once World of Warcraft is released. This patch includes the fundamental ideas of PvP in order to tune and refine the very foundation of our PvP model. So we added this just so we can test class balance and faction balance. We'll continue to add minor things, make balance changes, and special rules until the PVP is actually in the game. Until then, don't confuse what we have now with the final "WoW PVP." Obvious issues.... · Low level ganking · Horde vs. Alliance Balance (we'll continue to work on it) · reward, punishment, REASON (besides fun) for pvp · killing of important NPCs (flight guys) · body camping Thanks for your patience while waiting for changes... The feedback is all making its way to the development team for future changes... read previous update

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-pvp&t=3115&p=1#post3115

[Sadow]

Exactly. They *should* have made the classes, put in the talents and then build the pvp and pve system around it, or at least put in the classes and talents BEFORE "balancing" them against one another and the content. Instead, they simply chip chip chip away at what could have been a great game and all that will be left if they do not do an about face is just a mediocre game.

My suspection for their intended mode of thinking is that, by introducing talents to one class, they can directly see how it affects another class, talented or not - this makes it much easier to simply isolate problems within the classes instead of having to balance every ability against eachother all at the same time. This is probably why they did the beta and alpha tests in various stages. (I.E: Horde push, Alliance push, Dwarf push, etc.)

The game is pretty much a more polished Everquest, but, honestly, I did not anticipate anything more than this. The MMORPG genre is shot to death in and of itself - there are very few new ideas or concepts that can be added to the genre as a whole that are practical enough to see development. Blizzard is a good company, but they are not magical fairies who wave their wands and suddenly develop new and exciting features for older genres. (Starcraft, for example: It was basically Warcraft 2 in space.) Even Verant, behemoth of the MMORPG industry, in their latest magnum opus, is making so very few new innovations that it just seems like a rehash of everything that has been collected over the past few years. I largely suspect that Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, and, quite honestly, any new fantasy-based MMORPG to come out, to be lacking in anything we haven't seen or heard already.

Lord British says that the MMORPG market is not over-saturated. This is true. It is not a problem of over-saturation, it is that the genre as a whole has nowhere to expand outside of the basic "Kill this to level up so you can kill bigger things to level up some more." It has basically dug itself into a corner.

What I primarily seek to ask, Pai Mai, is what is your concern over the final product that Blizzard produces? Is it concern that the product will not live up to your expectations? I can tell you that I have made far, far worse choices monetarily when it comes to games than you could by paying $60 for at least two weeks or more of entertainment. (Thinking that I payed $60 to enjoy three hours of Freelancer is an excellent way to induce forced vomitting.) It seems almost a deep, inbred concern that "your" game will succeed - I confess that I felt similarily about City of Heroes in its final beta hours. I was concerned that "my" game would fail, and not live up to expectation. (Although this is apparently not so.) Our attraction and subsequent adoption of a game is confounding.

[Zann the Defender]

To sum it up in a nutshell for everyone...

There will be bugs, MINOR ones that the beta people have not seen, Not many......

It SHOULD be postponed, it needs a little more work. I played in Stress test too.

People complain FOR YOUR BENEFIT IN THIS GAME! They are testing it, would you rather play an unbalanced game where one class is the best and can kill ALL of the other ones, or somthing more fair. No, they will never completley be balanced, but it will be close enough for skill to win...

Also, the game is a project, the first in a line.... They want to make it PERFECT to assure that people buy the next versions of it. The better the game the more people it attracts.

[SpiritWalker]

To sum it up in a nutshell for everyone...

There will be bugs, MINOR ones that the beta people have not seen, Not many......

It SHOULD be postponed, it needs a little more work. I played in Stress test too.

People complain FOR YOUR BENEFIT IN THIS GAME! They are testing it, would you rather play an unbalanced game where one class is the best and can kill ALL of the other ones, or somthing more fair. No, they will never completley be balanced, but it will be close enough for skill to win...

Also, the game is a project, the first in a line.... They want to make it PERFECT to assure that people buy the next versions of it. The better the game the more people it attracts.
Amen, brother.

[SirMoogie]

The game is not ready for retail, unless they don't plan on charging monthly fees there are just too many bugs/unfinished content to warrent the game's release. While some beta testers may over exaggerate, I do not think the game is ready for the following reasons. Some quests are bugged, and have remained bugged for several patches. Talents aren't complete for all the classes. Zones, even mid-ranged zones like Stonetalon Peak, aren't complete. The bug where players can control the flying mounts is back (probably due to them fixing the bug that didn't allow players to fiddle with the interface in flight). New animation bugs with channeling spells were introduced this patch. Durability was added as a money (time) sink, while other, previously planned forms of monetary spending like arena tickets and PvP Honor items have yet to be added. Battlegrounds isn't in (at least it wasn't documented). Finally, and most annoying of all, there still exists the monster evade bug. Though it is less frequent than it was before, it is still annoying (especially if it is a boss monster that needs to be killed for a quest). Naturally, the internal build could have some of these things fixed already, but I'm pretty sure a fair portion of these things remain since they have for several patches.

I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here, but you do realize you'll be paying money on a monthly basis for this game? It is not unreasonable to expect a higher standard of quality from this game than the other Blizzard games you have played before.

[ShuXB166]

I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here, but you do realize you'll be paying money on a monthly basis for this game? It is not unreasonable to expect a higher standard of quality from this game than the other Blizzard games you have played before.


YES! I will agree with that! Even though WoW is video crack to me as well, and I would like nothign more to play it, I don't want it that bad. I will gladly wait longer for a "shinier" game.

Saying "well thats what patches are for" is an excuse. You dont want another SOE game that comes out and needs monster patches after release b/c they just wanted to get it out and start making their money back do you? An extra mont of waiting is well worth a higher quality of realease, which is what we all want anyway.

That said, im sort of biased. I can't 'power game' until mid december when winter break startes, and my internship is over. So I would preferably want the game out then, and nothing more than OB now. I would lvoe to get to play OB for a few weeks though, but i wouldnt be anything special level wise.

I think most people percieve OB as jsut a quickie b4 retial. Its not. OB is a final TEST. It is still a test, and changes will be made between OB and retail, no matter what anyone says, they will. They can see how many servers they will need, and what kind of population will be online on average, and any problems that occur with said population rise.

It does appear that Blizz may be gettign a little bump in the get-it-done-now direction, but I hope that doesnt lead to a premature release, at this point, and extra few weeks or a month, with a pre Xmas release is still possible and looks like it would do a world of good for the retail version.

Shu

[Zann the Defender]

Amen, brother.

Hahahah, thanks.

I hope other people read my posts....

P[atches are unlikely to happen in WoW retail often, they often incite NEW bugs, unbalances in some classes, and what not...

I want this game to be ready and prepared to come out...

[Squarebob Spongepants]

P[atches are unlikely to happen in WoW retail often, they often incite NEW bugs, unbalances in some classes, and what not...

I want this game to be ready and prepared to come out...
So you're saying that you don't want regular updates that add more content to the game? I, and many others I'm sure, do want regular updates. Furthermore, do you seriously believe that the game will be bugfree enough that patches won't be needed? Makes me wonder if you have previous experience with MMORPGs :uhhuh:

_______________________________

The game is ready for lunch.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Patches happen regularly in a MMORPG. Simple fact of how they work. Bugs are fixed, and usually somethings throw others outta whack.

[Zann the Defender]

I know they are regular, but some cause problems with the class. I was saying what their BADSIDE was.... I welcome patches, I just don't want too many out. They can somtimes do more bad then good. This could happen a lot more if retail would be released quickly....

[ShuXB166]

Patches happen regularly in a MMORPG. Simple fact of how they work. Bugs are fixed, and usually somethings throw others outta whack.


patches are regular, but huge patches that fix major problems/add content are not. It better to have all of that in the retail version, then have to DL half of the game after I buy it.

That said, i mean in no way that adding new content via big patches is bad, but none should be needed for weeks if not a couple months into reatail at least.

[jubjub]

patches are regular, but huge patches that fix major problems/add content are not. It better to have all of that in the retail version, then have to DL half of the game after I buy it.

That said, i mean in no way that adding new content via big patches is bad, but none should be needed for weeks if not a couple months into reatail at least.


If having to download a huge patch day one means we get the game 2 weeks earlier then I am all for it.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Same here.

[Oberon]

Question for the CBT's....

I just got my invite and after downloading all night I finally got a character up and running now (a female human priest on the PvP Beta 2 server). I noticed a graphical glitch which I've e-mailed Blizzard about but am still waiting to hear from them (and they may already know of it). A few times a minute I'll see random lines and angular shaped pop up for less than a second then go away. The shapes tend to be dark grey or black. I've adjusted every graphical setting I could but it's still there. I have the latest DirectX and the latest driver for my video card (ATI 9600). Is this a known issue?

[Pai Mai]

Finally, and most annoying of all, there still exists the monster evade bug. Though it is less frequent than it was before, it is still annoying (especially if it is a boss monster that needs to be killed for a quest).

Leave it to me to be the harbinger of bad news; it's nowhere near "less frequent", in fact it's more than quadruple the rate of the previous version.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=425539&p=1#post425539

[SirMoogie]

Leave it to me to be the harbinger of bad news; it's nowhere near "less frequent", in fact it's more than quadruple the rate of the previous version.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=425539&p=1#post425539


Yes, when making that post I had not fully explored the new patch. In the previous patch it was very infrequent, but it appears the flying mount bug wasn't the only one to return. At least wands work again for the time being.

[ShuXB166]

If having to download a huge patch day one means we get the game 2 weeks earlier then I am all for it.

If they have the patch ready the day of/one day after retail, it would be in reatail dude. If it comes to releasing the game that much early that a big patch is needed, it wont come for AT LEAST a week after realease. Which means releasing early did nothing but make people ***** more about an incomplete game, and having to DL a monster patch. We've waited over 3 years, another week wotn kill us.

And b4 you say it, YES im as addicted as you are, and want it asap, but you cant rush greatness.

[Satelliteyears0o]

(i shoulda posted this like 5 pages before but...)

I still think there are alot of CB testers who didnt deserve to be there. I think if u reserved a copy of WoW (i reserved 3 days after they said u could preorder) u would be eligible to be amongst the first to play the CB. Its 2 late now since OB is just around the corner. I've waited my 3 years.

[SirMoogie]

Please tell us what qualifications are needed to be a good beta tester so Blizzard can take them into account when picking people for the next beta test. You must take into account the things Blizzard has to take into account, such as: There are no personal interviews, people can lie, people can cancel preorders (a poor qualifier anyway), people can register on machines they have no intent of using in the beta, people may intend to get into beta to sell on ebay, there is no way to do effective background checks, etc. Outside of random draws, giving away keys to MMORPG guilds, and rewarding WoW fansites, there is little that can be done that wouldn't hinder an already long process. From the tone of some people in this thread it sounds as if they want this game out now. This is understandable, but they also wish they were chosen for beta and think that by having stricter requirements for beta entry this would:

a) Allow them to be selected somehow (hah!)
b) Somehow make things better.

This wouldn't be the case and would only serve to prolong the process. Do we really want that?

[ShuXB166]

guys they jsut pick people based on location and system specs. jsut to test how difference machines and geographical area react to the game and servers.