Always look on the bright side of politics.

[Lazzmodai]

In this thread, I'd like to hear why you're voting the way you are, or why you hold the political views you do. Here's the catch...

NO BASHING or PESSIMISM about the other guy! Only write about what your political affiliation is doing right. No flaming!

i'm guessing this'll last about five posts before it degenerates into pm and bhs *****ing, but I thought I'd give it a try. Sometimes I think people know more about what the opposition is doing wrong than about what their party is doing right.

[Baryonyx]

In this thread, I'd like to hear why you're voting the way you are, or why you hold the political views you do. Here's the catch...

NO BASHING or PESSIMISM about the other guy! Only write about what your political affiliation is doing right. No flaming!

i'm guessing this'll last about five posts before it degenerates into pm and bhs *****ing, but I thought I'd give it a try. Sometimes I think people know more about what the opposition is doing wrong than about what their party is doing right.
My first, and probably only, foray into the morass going on in these political threads. Figured I'd jump in while it was still early, before it becomes a "my intellect is bigger than yours and you're a stupid-head" war:

I'm voting Kerry because I am a horrible, stupid (or worse... ignorant), stinking, well-educated, intelligent, clean-shaven liberal/independent. That should about sum up what the likely responses to anything I could possibly say are.

There... no bashing or pessimism about the other guy. :) Feel free to think of me what you will for not saying more. I could do a more complete, well-reasoned post outlining all my reasons, but, honestly... would it really matter, since I've no intention of changing my vote?

[Essex]

lol

well i'm voting for kerry because i too am a liberal. I always have been always will be. Even if i was moderate I'd vote kerry because he doesn't support the contituional ban on *** marriage.

[Sage the Mage]

Well technically there hasn't been a chance for the Dems to do right since the congressional elections :)

Domestic - Its a sorta strange view. First off I like individual rights and think the government should protect them. The government should also provide security for its citizens, and I think that health care is part of that security thing. Markets should be competitive to drive innovation, however monopolies are evil. Oh and I like the whole balanced-budget thing.

Foreign Policy - Hrm what's it called? Liberal institutionalist I think. So I like things like the UN and stuff, even though I think the UN could be improved at least its something rather than nothing.

I'm still thinking we should have a co-president system. One for domestic control and one for foreign policy. Presidents somtimes focus on one area and neglect another.

In conclusion, it depends on how tired I am if I vote for Kerry.

Oh lets all take the political compass thing again :)
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl
Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

[Baryonyx]

OK, I'll lay it out there:

Economic Left/Right: -1.62 (Slight Left-sided)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13 (Libertarian)

Which pretty much sums up what I always say about myself: I'm a fiscal moderate with almost ultra-"liberal" social views. No surprises, really. The slight left lean on economics probably stems from the fact that I place more emphasis on the environment over business, but get dragged back to center because I have an evolutionary view of business competition which resonates with the view that trust-busting is bad, but for very different reasons.

[Oberon]

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28

[ScytheNoire]

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

see, i'm not some whacko leftist, i'm actually very close to the spot in the map that Ghandi is, just one notch more right.

it's very scary to see where G.W. stands though, he's in that top-right area, which is a horrible thing as i don't think it resembles what the majority of America is.

[Essex]

I'm

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

that's about right.

[Kronious]

Me I am neutral. Both this men have been in postions of power and control over peoples lives. I cast a no vote for both. Voting is to me a contractial agreement that it says "I give that person the right to make changes in my country and my life and agree 100% what that person does" From a human standpoint cant agree on neither canadate.

quote
" Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character give him power"
---Abraham Lincoln---

[AgeOfAbnegation]

I'm assuming the +/- goes on a scale of 10? How can you arbitrarily post figures though.. :scratch:..

Before I post, could someone - perhaps Bhs or whomever, tell me what it means to have a -/+ in economic, as well as social? Just for the record, so I know what kind of language you guys are using.

[Sage the Mage]

You should take the time to read posts :)
Those numbers come from the political compass:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[ScytheNoire]

I'm assuming the +/- goes on a scale of 10? How can you arbitrarily post figures though.. :scratch:..

Before I post, could someone - perhaps Bhs or whomever, tell me what it means to have a -/+ in economic, as well as social? Just for the record, so I know what kind of language you guys are using.
you have to look at the final results page to understand it:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/analysis2.html

the Economic one is the difference between Neo-Liberalism versus Communism. a negative number is leaning towards communism. this doesn't mean it's negative, just the direction on the graph.

the Social one is Anarchism versus Fascism, with a positive being Fascism favoured results. again, just the way the graph is layed out.

[Bhs Crew]

i'm guessing this'll last about five posts before it degenerates into pm and bhs *****ing, but I thought I'd give it a try. Sometimes I think people know more about what the opposition is doing wrong than about what their party is doing right.

Hah you were wrong. It lasted 13 posts before I started *****ing.

I got:
Economic left right: .75
Social Libertarian: -3.13
Which overall makes me just slightly a libertarian I guess (as I was +, -)
If I had +,+ that would make me a conservative.
-,- would make me a liberal.
Lastly -,+ would make me a populist.

I'd have to take a longer time on my answers to get a more accurate result, but that'll do for now.

I wish I had more people of my political affiliation. As it is they are few and far between. I can still say positive stuff about the various people.

The things I liked that Bush did were he didn't sign the international criminal court and he didn't sign the international treaty on guns that was up recently.

I am fond of Kerry's ideas on balancing the budget (though I don't know how we'll he'll follow up) and I like his idea of using more thought and diplomacy, as there are many advantages to patience.

[powermongor]

i'm guessing this'll last about five posts before it degenerates into pm and bhs *****ing, but I thought I'd give it a try.

Great way to start a thread by biasing everyone against viewpoints of the 2 ppl you are most likely to debate in the future.

[Bhs Crew]

Great way to start a thread by biasing everyone against viewpoints of the 2 ppl you are most likely to debate in the future.
It's all in good fun. Go take the test.

[powermongor]

My results (like you couldn't guess):

Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.56

[Bhs Crew]

And the current count stands:
Liberals: 5
Sage the Mage, Baryonyx, Oberon, ScytheNoire, Essex
Conservatives: 1
Powermongor
Libertarians: 1
Bhs Crew
Populists: 0

I'm not saying this is entirely accurate but it gives a decent enough breakdown of the forums. Or it would if everyone took the test. Take the test people!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[AgeOfAbnegation]

You should take the time to read posts :)
Those numbers come from the political compass:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

:lol:

Took the test, here are the results:

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44

[Father Jack]

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.33

I was suprised I didn't score more authoritarian, being a Marine, disipline is very important to me. But I guess Freedom is more important.

The closest person to me on the scale was Nelson Mandela, which is intereasting because while growing up in occupied northern Ireland he and the ANC were big heros to us.

I think my wife would think that I should rank closer to Stalin though :teeth:

[powermongor]

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.33

I was suprised I didn't score more authoritarian, being a Marine, disipline is very important to me. But I guess Freedom is more important.

The closest person to me on the scale was Nelson Mandela, which is intereasting because while growing up in occupied northern Ireland he and the ANC were big heros to us.

I think my wife would think that I should rank closer to Stalin though :teeth:

YOU'RE A MARINE ?!?!?!?

[Bhs Crew]

YOU'RE A MARINE ?!?!?!?
You say that like you're surprised. Hehehe.

[Blackmoon]

Hmm... now I'm surprised. I'm not from US and there's no clear Liberal/Rebublican thingie in my country, but I just took that test for the fun of it. And I got...

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03

I always thought myself to be more of right. I suppose my anarchic side manifested itself a bit there.

Edit: Hmm... I actually mean that the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian part was surprising. I've always known to myself to be leftist on the economic area.

[Baryonyx]

Well, my wifey here is:

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

which would put her in BHS' libertarians, I think.

Though, when we scrolled down to the graph of "famous people," she exclaimed, "I'm all alone!" :) I was dismayed because she ain't liberal enough! :) Just kidding... I love her very much. :innocent:

[Bhs Crew]

Well, my wifey here is:

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

which would put her in BHS' libertarians, I think.

Though, when we scrolled down to the graph of "famous people," she exclaimed, "I'm all alone!" :) I was dismayed because she ain't liberal enough! :) Just kidding... I love her very much. :innocent:
Heh, they just left all the famous libertarians out.
Thomas Jefferson was one.

[Lazzmodai]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08

No surprises there. And powermonger, man, sometimes it's ok to let things go. I meant no attack. Peace, brother.

[Father Jack]

YOU'RE A MARINE ?!?!?!?

I'm not sure why your suprised. But yes I'm a Marine.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Probably because of the stereotype associated with the military, most likely having a "+" in the authority aspect.

[Baryonyx]

I did this for fun, not sure why, hehe...

Graph of Where We Stand (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols.jpg)

I'm thinking I did it because I have a problem with their use of quadrants while defining things by axes that represents gradations of opinion. In reality, they should, at the very least, base their quadrants on their axes, radiating out from 45 degree angles, at least IMHO.

[Hansome]

I am voting for Kerry merely because I believe he doesn't let religion make his decisions for him. No one can change my mind on that.

[Oberon]

I did this for fun, not sure why, hehe...

Graph of Where We Stand (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols.jpg)

I'm thinking I did it because I have a problem with their use of quadrants while defining things by axes that represents gradations of opinion. In reality, they should, at the very least, base their quadrants on their axes, radiating out from 45 degree angles, at least IMHO.

Oh wow! I guess I'm the most liberal person here. Woot! :winner:

[Havard]

Those questions were horrible. Nevertheless, here are my results:

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

So, in between AoA and Bhs

[Bhs Crew]

Those questions were horrible. Nevertheless, here are my results:

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

So, in between AoA and Bhs
Yeah it isn't the most accurate of tests, but it makes a general idea. Powermonger is more conservative than Oberon. I'm more libertarian then AoA.
The exact numbers are iffy at best, especially with that few questions.

Good fun anyway though. Maybe someone knows of another test of the same nature.

[Essex]

Oh wow! I guess I'm the most liberal person here. Woot! :winner:
hmm.. if not for this new comer I'd be the most liberal.


That's it we must have a fight to the death as their can only be one!

[Havard]

Eiger and Booms haven't taken it yet.

[Baryonyx]

Actually, Essex, if we use the center line between Communism and Libertarianism to represent a "true" liberal agenda (not too much either way), you're the closest. This is why I think divvying that up by the square quadrants is a fairly inaccurate way of doing things. It, for example, makes my wife and I look pretty different, and we really aren't.

I took the liberty of drawing this up too. Did it quickly, since I don't want to spend too much time on what is really an interesting diversion, but here's what I felt divisions can be:

Updated Where We Stand (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols.jpg)
My Feeling on Divisions (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols2.jpg)

[Essex]

Actually, Essex, if we use the center line between Communism and Libertarianism to represent a "true" liberal agenda (not too much either way), you're the closest. This is why I think divvying that up by the square quadrants is a fairly inaccurate way of doing things. It, for example, makes my wife and I look pretty different, and we really aren't.

I took the liberty of drawing this up too. Did it quickly, since I don't want to spend too much time on what is really an interesting diversion, but here's what I felt divisions can be:

Updated Where We Stand (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols.jpg)
My Feeling on Divisions (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols2.jpg)
rawr!!! yes I am NUMBER ONE!!!

Actually I don't think Eiger is more liberal than me as he has said in the past that you'd be surprised how moderate he is.

Booms... hmm... I dunno... might be compeition

[Lazzmodai]

Any particular reason I've been ostricised from this graph? :P

[Booms]

My political compass:

Economic: -5.12
Social: -5.49

Not even close to Essex and Oberon, hehe.

Anyways, the numbers seem to make some sense to me.

[Havard]

Heh, they just left all the famous libertarians out.
Thomas Jefferson was one.

Yes, Friedman isn't really a traditional libertarian. I guess they called him a neo-libertarian, so that must be what I am as well. BTW, I hate stupid labels like "neo-libertarian", can I just call us "free market conservatives"? It's much more descriptive.

Go uncle Miltie! :yep:

[Semidi]

Economic Left/Right: 5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.46

hehehehe

[Bhs Crew]

Yes, Friedman isn't really a traditional libertarian. I guess they called him a neo-libertarian, so that must be what I am as well. BTW, I hate stupid labels like "neo-libertarian", can I just call us "free market conservatives"? It's much more descriptive.

Go uncle Miltie! :yep:
I thought all conservatives were free market.
The way these stupid labels work is based on desire for more or less freedom in economic and social policies.

Populists are for less freedom in both; Libertarians are for more freedom in both.
Conservatives want less freedom on social issues but more on economic.
Liberals want more freedom on social issues but less on economic.

That's how you decide which category to put yourself into. The test is just an effort to stick you somewhere on the map, and so is not going to be very accurate.

Because American politics often only refer to the one dimension of liberal vs. conservative, many people in the conservative category are libertarians or populists and same with the liberals.

I never liked these labels anyway. I prefer to look at a person’s view on each individual issue.

[ekim]

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

Looks like I am right next to the Dalai Lama on the graph there.

*Backs out of thread for fear if being trambled on*

[Havard]

I thought all conservatives were free market.

I wish! :lol:

Seriously, there are a lot of social conservatives that are not pro free market. I hate to stereotype, but two general examples are union members and Catholics. Or union members that happen to be Catholics, especially ones from Chicago, Boston, New York, Cleveland, etc...

A lot of my family falls into this category of conservatives.

[Baryonyx]

Wow... go away a few minutes, and a whole bunch more show up. :) Sorry, Lazz... I missed you in my first go around, my bad. No reason other than I missed it. :(

Updated Where We Stand (http://www.faunlore.org/WowPols.jpg), now with Lazzmodai! :D

[Bhs Crew]

I wish! :lol:

Seriously, there are a lot of social conservatives that are not pro free market. I hate to stereotype, but two general examples are union members and Catholics. Or union members that happen to be Catholics, especially ones from Chicago, Boston, New York, Cleveland, etc...

A lot of my family falls into this category of conservatives.
This is what I was talking about above.
Technically those people would be populists but since we're forced to stick everyone on one line they become conservatives as their social view matches that of the conservatives (unless of course they consider themselves liberal because their economic view matches the liberals, but that's rarer.)

[Havard]

This is what I was talking about above.
Technically those people would be populists but since we're forced to stick everyone on one line they become conservatives as their social view matches that of the conservatives (unless of course they consider themselves liberal because their economic view matches the liberals, but that's rarer.)

Yes, I suppose we are talking about the same people, I call them "conservatives" because that's the label many take upon themselves. Most are quick to explain and/or qualify that, of course, pointing to the fact that the label doesn't exactly fit.

[Lazzmodai]

Woohoo!! Gaze upon me in all my graphed and plotted glory!! :D

[Bhs Crew]

Yes, I suppose we are talking about the same people, I call them "conservatives" because that's the label many take upon themselves. Most are quick to explain and/or qualify that, of course, pointing to the fact that the label doesn't exactly fit.
Yeah. I mean I usually call myself a conservative because I'm conservative economically (though I also tend to qualify it) and I'm the exact opposite of a populist who calls himself conservative because he's conservative socially.

What a beautiful system.

[Eiger]

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

Libertarian Left - big surprise, huh?

I love hanging out southwest of Gandhi, hehe.

[Havard]

Yeah. I mean I usually call myself a conservative because I'm conservative economically (though I also tend to qualify it) and I'm the exact opposite of a populist who calls himself conservative because he's conservative socially.

What a beautiful system.

How do you feel about Cato, and would you consider them to be Libertarians, neo-Libertarians, or a hodgepodge of both. I like Doug Bandow (http://www.cato.org/people/bandow.html) a lot from there.

[Bhs Crew]

I don't worry about it too much. I try to just focus on each individual issue and not place a label on it. There's too many variables and I would go crazy trying to figure out where each person went.

Truthfully everyone is a hodgepodge and each person means something slightly different when they use the terms. I try to place the people on each issue when I come to it.

[Sage the Mage]

I stand as the most moderate liberal in the forum, so I am the most right out of all the liberals! Bow down to my rightness!

[Oberon]

How do you feel about Cato, and would you consider them to be Libertarians, neo-Libertarians, or a hodgepodge of both.

I'm not sure but my sister seems to like them - especially when they have a great sale. :thumbsup:

[Drakeon]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00


So... what? I'm the definition of neutral/moderate? O_o

[Bhs Crew]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00


So... what? I'm the definition of neutral/moderate? O_o
Hehehehehe.

[Semidi]

most conservative! Bow to my will, and you will be able to do with your money what you want.

[Bhs Crew]

most conservative! Bow to my will, and you will be able to do with your money what you want.
...as long as you fit our social mode and don't question authority.

Come to the libertarians, we'll let you control your money AND your life.

[Oberon]

My biggest gripe with libertarians is they let the corporate elite off the hook. We had a fairly libertarian government once - back in the late 1800's. It didn't work then and it won't work now. If we had a libertarian government you can say goodbye to social security, minimum wage, occupational safety laws, environmental protection laws, overtime and the 40-hour work week, product safety regulations, child labor laws, etc.

[Bhs Crew]

My biggest gripe with libertarians is they let the corporate elite off the hook. We had a fairly libertarian government once - back in the late 1800's. It didn't work then and it won't work now. If we had a libertarian government you can say goodbye to social security, minimum wage, occupational safety laws, environmental protection laws, overtime and the 40-hour work week, product safety regulations, child labor laws, etc.
Well it depends how libertarian. When we say liberal we don't mean a completely state run economy, just as libertarian doesn't necessarily mean a completely unregulated economy. There is a balance.

In the late 1800's wasn't libertarian. There weren't no laws regulating business, instead there were many laws pushing things even farther in the favor of companies than no regulation would have.

[Kronious]

YOU'RE A MARINE ?!?!?!?
Snicker Jarhead :uhhuh:

[Eiger]

In the late 1800's wasn't libertarian. There weren't no laws regulating business, instead there were many laws pushing things even farther in the favor of companies than no regulation would have.
I think he's referring to laissez faire rather than libertarian as the prevailing government policy orientation towards business.

[Bhs Crew]

I think he's referring to laissez faire rather than libertarian as the prevailing government policy orientation towards business.
Yeah, I was just pointing out that the late 1800's had businesses making the laws. That's much different than no regulation or laissez faire.

The balance is on the side of some regulation, the argument is just over how much and on what.

[Bartleby]

On Economics, I'm moderate to conservative. +3.50
On Liberties, I'm a moderate to slightly liberal. -0.67

Basically you can do whatever you want as long as you don't impose on my rights, but don't expect me to fund one of your hair-brained ideas unless you've got the numbers to back it up and show significant and measurable success after the initial funding.

[Mastgrr]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

[SaroDarksbane]

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

I was dead center last time I took this. Looks like I moved slightly left and slightly libertarian. :)

[Bhs Crew]

Ok, the first time I rushed through the test in order to get to class, so I decided to actually sit down with the damn thing again and actually put some thought into my answers.

My results were:
Economic: 2.12
Social: -3.85

Huh, still a libertarian. These things happen.

[Mastgrr]

Conservatism stands for slow progression.

Liberalism stands for everyone according to each's need.

Socialism stands for that we're all in this together.

When you say somebody is liberal in the United States, you actually mean they're a social liberal. When you say somebody is a conservative, you actually mean they're a liberal conservative.

That's why the Liberterian-word was invented. Because the word liberalism was "robbed" by us new liberals (social liberalists) who were influenced by socialist politics (universal healthcare, social security, etc). In Sweden we have basically five "liberal" aka social liberal parties and only one half-socialist, half-social liberal party (depending on whether you count their current leader or not...).

You can mix and match those words with each other, so being a Social Conservative is definetly possible -- that we're all in this together but by taking it through a slow progression... Well... you know where I am going with this :)

I said I was going to keep away from politics threads... oh well, this oen doesn't count :p

[Bhs Crew]

Hehehe.
Too many names. Can't keep track.
From now on I'll just refer to those that agree with me on an issue as "good" and those that disagree as "evil."
That will solve all my problems.

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

ehh....

[Bartleby]

ROFL, according to this site Eiger, Essex, Scythe, Jack, Oberon and most other Kerry supporters should actually be voting with the Green Party. For all your bashing, Nader is your man :thumbsup: *snicker snicker*

As for myself, I am the only person I've seen so far that has answers in line with liberal Democrats.

Check (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.html) your position with that of the political parties.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

lol, dragon looks to be similar to me, just slightly shifted to the left by a point or so.

[Mastgrr]

ROFL, according to this site Eiger, Essex, Scythe, Jack, Oberon and most other Kerry supporters should actually be voting with the Green Party. For all your bashing, Nader is your man :thumbsup: *snicker snicker*
Yup. I would be if the democratic process in this country wasn't a build on a system where the winner takes it all.

[Eiger]

ROFL, according to this site Eiger, Essex, Scythe, Jack, Oberon and most other Kerry supporters should actually be voting with the Green Party. For all your bashing, Nader is your man :thumbsup: *snicker snicker*

As for myself, I am the only person I've seen so far that has answers in line with liberal Democrats.

Check (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.html) your position with that of the political parties.
Yup, that's likely true. The Democratic Party is certainly not left leaning enough for me. However, the Greens need to be more viable for me to risk a vote which might allow Dubya to get elected. Lesser of two evils unfortunately.

[Mastgrr]

ROFL, according to this site Eiger, Essex, Scythe, Jack, Oberon and most other Kerry supporters should actually be voting with the Green Party. For all your bashing, Nader is your man :thumbsup: *snicker snicker*
Not really. I've done other political compass tests where I'm just a teeny weeny bit to the left of John Kerry on the issues.

The difference between the Kerry and Nader is that Kerry is funded by Democrats while Nader is funded by Republicans.

And because of how the political process works in this country because of the winner-takes-it-all system I don't think I'll ever vote for Nader, even though he's closer politically to my issues (remove the two party system). I'll only vote for Nader or Greens or the likes if it's State or such.

[Havard]

On Economics, I'm moderate to conservative. +3.50
On Liberties, I'm a moderate to slightly liberal. -0.67

Basically you can do whatever you want as long as you don't impose on my rights, but don't expect me to fund one of your hair-brained ideas unless you've got the numbers to back it up and show significant and measurable success after the initial funding.

Crap Bartleby, you almost landed right on top of me! (3.75/-0.77) I knew I liked your posts for some reason. :lol:

[Havard]

Check (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.html) your position with that of the political parties.

FYI: These are the NOT the American parties, these are the parties of the United Kingdom.

The Liberal Democrats =/= Democratic Party of the U.S. and the Conservative Party (Tories) =/= Republicans... Not by a long shot.

[Bartleby]

FYI: These are the NOT the American parties
Damn it Hav shaddup :) I know that, but I had those bleeding hearts wringing their hands there for a sec. Spoil all my fun :lol:

[Eiger]

Damn it Hav shaddup :) I know that, but I had those bleeding hearts wringing their hands there for a sec. Spoil all my fun :lol:
Sorry, to deflate you further, but that was pretty obvious. But it's true anyway that the Democratic Party is to the right of many of us here.

[Essex]

hmm I'm sure there'd be a lot more people posting if everyone who participated was allowed too....

[Coltaine]

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

for me

But one problem i see with the test is, that you have with some questions to anticipate the meaning because there are different things that could have been meant. At least for me as a not native speaker. Did someone get the same feeling?

[Unreg!stered]

Economic: 1.25
Social: -2.10

Not as gray as I used to be, although I'm still near the middle. :D

[Felicia]

I think I broke it...

Economic: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

This social compass questionare is flawed. You either one of the other and neither a third option. There were several questions where I felt a third (or fifth) option could've been used. Sadly, no one seems to think outside the political box anymore.

[Drakeon]

I think I broke it...

Economic: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

This social compass questionare is flawed. You either one of the other and neither a third option. There were several questions where I felt a third (or fifth) option could've been used. Sadly, no one seems to think outside the political box anymore.

Noooooo someone beat my moderate score! :(

[Baryonyx]

Sadly, no one seems to think outside the political box anymore.
I don't think that's the problem at all. I answered the questionaire within its constraints, though the reasons why I feel the way I do may be far beyond the current mainstream. Such as my position when answering the question on corporate competition: I don't agree with the default "conservative" position, that corporations should be fairly free from trust/monopoly regulations, which is what the question is assuming you believe. But I agree with the sentiment expressed in the question, so I was forced to agree to the question as asked in order to complete the survey.

I *WILL NOT* go into any of that in detail here. I have learned the better of expressing such things on forums.

The problem with the survey isn't that we don't think outside of the box. It's that the survey doesn't care about the reasons WHY you feel the way you do, just that you feel that way. In the end, it's just a fun little thing, and not a serious statement of our politics one way or the other. Sure, it can show some correlation, but it's definitely not a perfect profile. I'm not running around sharing this site with my friends to sit in judgement of them... I'm doing it because it's fun for a quick discussion amongst ourselves, and then to let it go.

[Sage the Mage]

This social compass questionare is flawed. You either one of the other and neither a third option. There were several questions where I felt a third (or fifth) option could've been used. Sadly, no one seems to think outside the political box anymore.
Did ya need a don't care option? That's all I can think of for a third option.