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The SilverDeath
31-10-2004, 06:13 AM
Title's pretty self explanatory, from someone well fluent in the horrors of Battle.net I can safetly say out of most games blizzard attracts usually the most idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards out there. While every game has these people they're usually at a tolerate level. From the closed beta and stress test there doesn't seem to be too big of a problem but when millions of players playing well.... you never know.

I've seen plenty of ninja looters, ninja miners, ninja skinners, people 10 levels above you outright ignore your cries for help as 5 horde your level chase you, people who once completing their quest just quit....

Blackmoore
31-10-2004, 06:14 AM
Hopefully the Monthy fee will weed most of these *****es out, but one can only see. For sure, Open Beta will be worse than retail by quite a bit, but until retail actually arrives, we can only hope.

Pai Mai
31-10-2004, 06:15 AM
It's a Blizzard game and WoW was tailor made for those gamers that you so despise. Don't read too hard into that either.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 06:17 AM
With any game there are going to be morons but you can't group people just by past games or because they weren't in the beta...

I was in the xbox live beta and we all thought we would be flooded by cheaters... well, we were but we also met alot of good players.

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 06:17 AM
I give people like that a couple months before they quit. MMORPGs arent really made for such attitudes and blizzard does have some nice policies which, with the communities help, can keep the b.net kiddies at bay.

Backdoor Bandit
31-10-2004, 06:19 AM
I would agree with things mentioned above. Open beta will probably be somewhat disappointing. The monthly fee should get rid of some of the younger fellows that may not have access to credit cards. Not that all 18 and above year olds are mature, but you see what I am getting at.
I would also assume that the community would mature and get better as people that may not be so dedicated, decide to quit.

-Backdoor Bandit

Dark606
31-10-2004, 06:22 AM
wow, I am starting to the feeling that people think stereotyping is alright here...

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 06:26 AM
wow, I am starting to the feeling that people think stereotyping is alright here...

b.net kiddy = someone who is (to quote the thread starter) "idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards". To me its never mattered the age but the attitude.

other than that I dont see what could be considered stereotyping,

SaberPrivateer
31-10-2004, 06:29 AM
There will be plenty of dedicated scuzz because of pvp and the fact that WoW will be a fun game. Yeah, I don't really mind because I've developed an excellent filter. You can only be griefed if you feel grief...or some such psycho-babble. :-p

Vagrant
31-10-2004, 06:32 AM
Yes there will be, it is inevitable. However, I think a more important question is how will blizzard fans convert to WoW players. The average w3 and d2 player does not seem to me as the kind of person you want playing a mmorpg, but that could just be me being cynical.

blindcside
31-10-2004, 06:34 AM
every game has these ppl.

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 06:35 AM
Yes there will be, it is inevitable. However, I think a more important question is how will blizzard fans convert to WoW players. The average w3 and d2 player does not seem to me as the kind of person you want playing a mmorpg, but that could just be me being cynical.
I dunno about average, I just think the ones that you dont want to play a MMORPG with, are more outspoken.

The SilverDeath
31-10-2004, 06:39 AM
b.net kiddy = someone who is (to quote the thread starter) "idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards". To me its never mattered the age but the attitude.

other than that I dont see what could be considered stereotyping,

never exactly said that kiddies are all that... I was a kiddy :)

Ifrit18
31-10-2004, 06:42 AM
Morons get weeded out on the /ignore list.

Morons won't last long in instances :thumbsup:.

They won't affect your gameplay hardly if your playing :).

Kataphraktoi
31-10-2004, 06:46 AM
they will more than likely exist....they do in all games.

i remember during a BF1942 the other day game watching an argument between two people, i thought it was funny as hell lol but the thing that really stuck in my mind was when one of them asked the others age. The guy replied "im 27, but when i play games on the internet my age usually drops to that of a 12-13 year old"

:)

its true in alot of peoples cases..

Bustos
31-10-2004, 06:47 AM
WoW won't be filled with morons, not if I can help it (read: Send "official Blizzard emails" to b.net kiddies "postponing Open Beta")

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 06:51 AM
never exactly said that kiddies are all that... I was a kiddy :)
Yeah I know, I was just quoting what you said because I believe that is considered a b.net kiddy(I wouldnt use the word retards though but it is very effective). To me, a person who acts like you said, has obviously not grown as a person so therefore they havent grown up IOW they are a kiddy.

Edit: shouldnt retards be filtered if the non plural version is?

AcidPope
31-10-2004, 06:57 AM
Monthly fee doesn't weed out morons. It weeds out poor people and those who aren't intrested enough to continue paying to play. I'm currently playing Planetside @$13 a month and I can tell you it has a plethora of morons. Most have been playing (and paying) for so long they have the rank to spread their inane idiocy through all servers with their Global chat and mass tk with their orbital strike. Not that those of lower rank aren't just as stupid. All games have morons in abundance, the trick is to find people who are not morons and surround yourself with them. I'm sure I'll run into morons daily when I play WoW, and when I was in the ST this was the case. But I simply ignored them and concentrated on the game and the people who shouldn't have been aborted.

:cheesy:

Here is an explanation of how morons come about: John Gabriels Greater Internet *bleep* Theory. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l)

Kataphraktoi
31-10-2004, 07:02 AM
lol, thats quite funny actually ^^ the idiot theory i mean.

i have to admit at times i do enjoy having idiots like those all too common bnet "l33tsp34k3rz" around, because it gives me somthing to laugh at ;)

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:02 AM
Monthly fee doesn't weed out morons. It weeds out poor people and those who aren't intrested enough to continue paying to play. I'm currently playing Planetside @$13 a month and I can tell you it has a plethora of morons. Most have been playing (and paying) for so long they have the rank to spread their inane idiocy through all servers with their Global chat and mass tk with their orbital strike. Not that those of lower rank aren't just as stupid. All games have morons in abundance, the trick is to find people who are not morons and surround yourself with them. I'm sure I'll run into morons daily when I play WoW, and when I was in the ST this was the case. But I simply ignored them and concentrated on the game and the people who shouldn't have been aborted.

:cheesy:

Here is an explanation of how morons come about: John Gabriels Greater Internet *bleep* Theory. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l)

Well planetside is not really an MMORPG. I think its said that the monthly fee will weed out the morons because who would want continue paying to play a game where everyone hates you? From what I've heard planetside isnt as big on the community as a traditional MMORPG?

Im not saying that this statement is true, just that it makes some sense.

Dynamix
31-10-2004, 07:04 AM
I played Planet side for a few months a few years ago. Then trying to relieve my WoW fever, from not getting to play CB :( , I used my free 9 day pass a few weeks ago.

First Person Shooters seem to draw more idiots. Maybe because it does not require as much time or guild development. Or its just the idea of shootem up and respawn. I know, you earn XP and can "Learn abilities". But you cant really compare it to DAoC or WoW.

As a past DAoC player, it had alot of F*in morons also. The only real way to rid yourself of the morons is to go where there are non. So the Solution? I think its Instas myself. When you play with 5 guildies or people you know, you find out fast if they are idiots and you can simply leave. Thats why I love guilds. You find out what members are dedicated and get to the point. And you find which players mess around, get you killed, and are slow XP earners.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:05 AM
b.net kiddy = someone who is (to quote the thread starter) "idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards". To me its never mattered the age but the attitude.

other than that I dont see what could be considered stereotyping,
oh ok, seems I have to learn all the new vocab here to keep up...

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:10 AM
oh ok, seems I have to learn all the new vocab here to keep up...
lol thats just me, some people probably mean it as all young b.net players being immature and etc. but not me. I like the definition I use better.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:16 AM
lol thats just me, some people probably mean it as all young b.net players being immature and etc. but not me. I like the definition I use better.
oh great, now I have to learn personalities? sheesh :rant:

Orbentus
31-10-2004, 07:16 AM
Title's pretty self explanatory, from someone well fluent in the horrors of Battle.net I can safetly say out of most games blizzard attracts usually the most idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards out there. While every game has these people they're usually at a tolerate level. From the closed beta and stress test there doesn't seem to be too big of a problem but when millions of players playing well.... you never know.

I've seen plenty of ninja looters, ninja miners, ninja skinners, people 10 levels above you outright ignore your cries for help as 5 horde your level chase you, people who once completing their quest just quit....

To avoid most of the really bad people play Horde. Most annoying kiddies will be either human or night elf so being horde will avoid a lot of them. I know this from playing both sides and, wow, alliance side has so many more obnoxious players. Also the PvP server will have generally more annoying players as well since all the gankers/griefers will play on it.

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:21 AM
oh great, now I have to learn personalities? sheesh :rant:
Nah just enlighten everyone and convince them to follow the path of Dooplanger the Mighty, I will teach them my ways :innocent:. *mutters something about destroying the world*

Sard
31-10-2004, 07:21 AM
Filled? No more so than any other pay to play game. Will it have its fair share? Oh ya...

muteownz
31-10-2004, 07:24 AM
this will be the first time i will have played/owned a MMO game but i'm used to tuning out idiots from chat rooms like AOL.. etc. i was playing the guild wars preview and never once did i pay attention to some idiot saying stupid crap. i was just trying to enjoy playing well actually killing time till WoW comes out haha but i never let people get to me. if anything just keep up the guild chat and ignore people around you.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:27 AM
To avoid most of the really bad people play Horde. Most annoying kiddies will be either human or night elf so being horde will avoid a lot of them. I know this from playing both sides and, wow, alliance side has so many more obnoxious players. Also the PvP server will have generally more annoying players as well since all the gankers/griefers will play on it.
Oh great... according to you I am screwed...
I am going to be a NE on pvp.....

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:29 AM
Oh great... according to you I am screwed...
I am going to be a NE on pvp.....
Its FvF so actaully you will be immune to alot of the griefing/ganking. According to him though, you probably dont want to look at the chatbox too often.

Kataphraktoi
31-10-2004, 07:30 AM
well...WoW isnt out yet...

dont go NE maybe?

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:39 AM
Its FvF so actaully you will be immune to alot of the griefing/ganking. According to him though, you probably dont want to look at the chatbox too often.
ahhhh....

once again Dooplanger has set me straight again...:worship:

it would affect me when questing and raiding tho....

but when the honor system kicks in, if they get alot of dishonorable kills then their teammates will be able to attack them... think I read that....

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:41 AM
ahhhh....

once again Dooplanger has set me straight again...:worship:

it would affect me when questing and raiding tho....

but when the honor system kicks in, if they get alot of dishonorable kills then their teammates will be able to attack them... think I read that....
You know, me and you are such trolls right now.

Father Jack
31-10-2004, 07:44 AM
Yes, just like real life, only with stupid names.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:59 AM
You know, me and you are such trolls right now.
I actually posted some useful info about the honor system I read that they were implementing....

you little troll you....

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 08:10 AM
I actually posted some useful info about the honor system I read that they were implementing....

you little troll you....

lol, yeah I admit im a big troll. My good computer isnt working right now and its really late so I dont feel like fixing it atm. I am stuck on the lesser computer that cant play games and has no sound, all I can do is type.

PS: check your Private Messages

Dark606
31-10-2004, 08:18 AM
PVP will be very fun no matter what level you are at.

"Honor is a concept that is central to our PvP ranking system. There are honorable kills and there are dishonorable kills. You earn honor for killing opponents at or near your level, and more honor still if you kill a higher level player character, as opposed to an NPC. There are also dishonorable kills, and these would include killing lower level PCs and NPCs, and especially non-aggressive NPCs like gryphon masters and quest givers. If you repeatedly make dishonorable kills, you'll eventually go into the negative ranks, and lose experience and become attackable on sight by both factions."

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 08:25 AM
PVP will be very fun no matter what level you are at.

"Honor is a concept that is central to our PvP ranking system. There are honorable kills and there are dishonorable kills. You earn honor for killing opponents at or near your level, and more honor still if you kill a higher level player character, as opposed to an NPC. There are also dishonorable kills, and these would include killing lower level PCs and NPCs, and especially non-aggressive NPCs like gryphon masters and quest givers. If you repeatedly make dishonorable kills, you'll eventually go into the negative ranks, and lose experience and become attackable on sight by both factions."

The thing about the honor system is I havent heard about what happens if a lower level attacks you and your forced to kill him/her? Are you still gunna lose honor? I see a new form of griefing developing if true.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 08:31 AM
The thing about the honor system is I havent heard about what happens if a lower level attacks you and your forced to kill him/her? Are you still gunna lose honor? I see a new form of griefing developing if true.
I was just thinking that lol......

it wouldn't be that hard to do and I could easily explain it if I knew how to code.... ;)

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 08:42 AM
I was just thinking that lol......

it wouldn't be that hard to do and I could easily explain it if I knew how to code.... ;)

I'm sure blizzard is smart enough to see this but, eh, you never know.

MasterMac
31-10-2004, 09:44 AM
The thing about the honor system is I havent heard about what happens if a lower level attacks you and your forced to kill him/her? Are you still gunna lose honor? I see a new form of griefing developing if true.

Well, the last "official" post on that matter was that you would lose honor even if the lowbie attacked you first...however, that was said by Nebu, and that was at least a month ago, so things may have changed. The system hasen't been fully implemented yet so we can't tell ;)

Grumpy Joe
31-10-2004, 10:11 AM
This game will have the same proportion of morons, grievers, beggars and other forms of scum that other mmorpgs have. I have always found that by turning off the Out of Character chat, I avoid most problems.

Rokhan
31-10-2004, 07:22 PM
Hey there... Don't call all people under 18 morons, there are SOME that won't destroy your gaming experiance too.

I'm under 18 but I got a sort of 'baby' credit card I use to play MMO:s, and I promise I won't talk AOLish... ;)

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 07:33 PM
Well, the last "official" post on that matter was that you would lose honor even if the lowbie attacked you first...however, that was said by Nebu, and that was at least a month ago, so things may have changed. The system hasen't been fully implemented yet so we can't tell ;)
Yeah but the more I think about this the more it bugs me. If they make it so you can attack lowbies when they attack you first, people are going to be a bit scared to fight back at a high level guy destroying the lowbie town. If they make it so you will lose honor even if the lowbie attacked you first, well as I said, new form of griefing. Anyway you make the honor system I see people exploiting it, and if they try to fix all those holes in the honor system I see people getting more confused as the system gets more complex.

Dark606
31-10-2004, 07:37 PM
I think as long as a player kills people around their level most of the time it will be alright...

this is just to prevent people from just going after newbs or "lowbie"

Khal'jur
31-10-2004, 07:43 PM
Will WoW be filled with morons?

If you go in search for them, it will sure seem like it is.

SpAm_BuStA
31-10-2004, 07:45 PM
they could have it so that if a lowbie dies trying to defend a town, theyll get honor , but the attacker wont lose any

Shocked-X
31-10-2004, 10:39 PM
I know, its disgusting how some people act. I heard of a case in the 1 week stress test where two guys hunted a pour girl across the whole map of azeroth for over a good 12 hours non stop. I was amazed though at their percision and hunting ability. I mean they found her everywhere she went even when she flew they were able to hunt down her exact co-ordinates. How could such a thing happen?

MegaLing
31-10-2004, 11:06 PM
Blah, all these criticism, as though you all are saints.

Get over it, hate azzholez = stay on PvE server and be reclusive. Dont talk to anyone, dont party with anyone, dont trade with anyone.

You guys are pretty moronic for debating over this crap.

Shocked-X
31-10-2004, 11:15 PM
Blah, all these criticism, as though you all are saints.

Get over it, hate azzholez = stay on PvE server and be reclusive. Dont talk to anyone, dont party with anyone, dont trade with anyone.

You guys are pretty moronic for debating over this crap.

Yup, all games have idiots, just deal with it, i doubt it can be any worse than starcraft anyway.

Dalamar The Dark
31-10-2004, 11:19 PM
Yeah but the more I think about this the more it bugs me. If they make it so you can attack lowbies when they attack you first, people are going to be a bit scared to fight back at a high level guy destroying the lowbie town. If they make it so you will lose honor even if the lowbie attacked you first, well as I said, new form of griefing. Anyway you make the honor system I see people exploiting it, and if they try to fix all those holes in the honor system I see people getting more confused as the system gets more complex.

just make it so the high lvl wont lose honor points if the low level hits first, how hard is it?

Dooplanger
31-10-2004, 11:22 PM
just make it so the high lvl wont lose honor points if the low level hits first, how hard is it?
So a lowbie cant help out another lowbie if the attacker is a high level without making themselves vulnerable?

tharkun
31-10-2004, 11:25 PM
Every online game has far more mental children than it should. The best way to deal with it is to get in a guild with enough trustworthy people to watch your back and not worry about the punks (of any age). The griefers only do things as long as they think they are griefing you. I have had several instances where I convinced an attempter griefer that they were actually helping me out. They would always bug out and leave me alone at that point (most griefers tend to not be very bright).

From the word I'm getting about guilds coming over from other games, the Horde will have more than it's fair share of 'children' trying to be the 'bad guys'. Especially on the PvP servers. In the end, both sides will probably even out over time. There will be a much higher population of Alliance folks at first, but I don't think they will have a higher ratio of mental children.

It's like real life. Surround yourself with good friends, be on the lookout for more friends and try to ignore the idiots.

AAAdrummerboy
31-10-2004, 11:34 PM
three reasons why there wont be much morons in retail

1) monthly fee makes it hard for imature kids to play (although there are some imature adults out there

2) morons usually tend to miss the whole point of the game and decide to screw off and/or piss off other people instead making them generally weaker than other players so that can either kill them to get them to shut up

3) if they dont leave you alone you could always put them on the ignore list or tell a GM

on the other hand im not a beta tester and so i could just be very vague right now

Link
31-10-2004, 11:44 PM
Morons are everywhere, that's life. But ya the monthly will turn off a lot of potential idiots..

"Y I HAF TO pAY EVRY MONTH"

greymann
01-11-2004, 12:59 AM
blizzard attracts usually the most idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards out there.

I ran into one true a-hole in my 50 or so hours of playing the ST. As soon as I saw, "I'll help you but you have to help me w/ a quest afterwords. You have to do it!", I should have went the other way. I expect to run into about one a week. No big deal. I'm just going to try to recognize the red flags so that I can dismiss myself / ignore the person as soon as possible. Why waste time and energy on a problem child. The thread starter is one I'd probably avoid.

Sub-Zero
01-11-2004, 01:21 AM
Who cares if there are morons. It's a damn game. There will be thousands of people to play with. They can't all be immature. And if they are, WHO THE **** CARES. Just play the game. Everyone who is complaining about "morons" shouldn't play the game. I'd rather play with the morons than the ones who will want blizzard to somehow "fix" (everyone thinks blizzard can fix everything) the game so that no immature kids play. :buddies:

Jedi_Bob
01-11-2004, 02:03 AM
I ran into one true a-hole in my 50 or so hours of playing the ST. As soon as I saw, "I'll help you but you have to help me w/ a quest afterwords. You have to do it!", I should have went the other way. I expect to run into about one a week. No big deal. I'm just going to try to recognize the red flags so that I can dismiss myself / ignore the person as soon as possible. Why waste time and energy on a problem child. The thread starter is one I'd probably avoid.

When someone helped me with a quest, I would offer help to them in return. To me, it was just common courtesy. But let me tell you, there were some real nice people I grouped with that were only looking out for their own interests. Selfish craps. :grrr:

Bofus
01-11-2004, 02:44 AM
wow, I am starting to the feeling that people think stereotyping is alright here...

if you're objecting to stereotyping on general grounds, well, ok. but this will probably prove to a case of "if the shoe fits..." I mean, have you played DII?

Dooplanger
01-11-2004, 02:46 AM
if you're objecting to stereotyping on general grounds, well, ok. but this will probably prove to a case of "if the shoe fits..." I mean, have you played DII?
bofus, you should read a bit more of the thread.

Semidi
01-11-2004, 02:54 AM
if you're objecting to stereotyping on general grounds, well, ok. but this will probably prove to a case of "if the shoe fits..." I mean, have you played DII?

Yes I have and I enjoyed it alot there are bad eggs who play and good noodles, and I learned to deal with both. It's really not that hard.

Morons pay the same amount of money you do for the game; if you dont like dealing with people then join a guild or solo and stop ******** about it.

Dark606
01-11-2004, 02:56 AM
I agree....only because doop is always right...

Yes I played D2... quit around the time of chest hack.... whats ur point?

Xlorep DarkHelm
01-11-2004, 03:03 AM
Yes I have and I enjoyed it alot there are bad eggs who play and good noodles, and I learned to deal with both. It's really not that hard.

Morons pay the same amount of money you do for the game; if you dont like dealing with people then join a guild or solo and stop ******** about it.
Unfortunately, the best you can do is just add the person to ignore, and look for somewhere else to hang out - possibly even report the person to the GM's, and hope something happens that proves effective. The number of morons in any group is usually proportional to the number of people in that group - with the percentage of morons increasing slowly as the group's size increases. And usually, the simpler/easier it is to do something, the larger the population. Just like the easier it is to be a moron, the larger the population. However, they will always be there. You either can learn to cope with it, adapt and carry on, or you can stress out about it, and become embittered. One way tends to not have quite as many frustrations, headaches or ulcers. The other - well, the important thing is it's your choice.

Rhocky
01-11-2004, 03:05 AM
I can't think of a single large online gaming community that didn't have a large portion of people that got on my nerves for one reason or another.

Unless... you think the CS community is somehow more mature than the B.Net community, perhaps? Meh. They're all basically the same frankly. Some get labeled worse than others because there may be a vocal group of idiots, or because the online service most frequently used allows for more stupid practices (cheating, scamming, whatever.) From my experience, most big gaming communities for any game have basically the same ratio of gibbons : humans.

greymann
01-11-2004, 03:09 AM
When someone helped me with a quest, I would offer help to them in return. To me, it was just common courtesy. But let me tell you, there were some real nice people I grouped with that were only looking out for their own interests. Selfish craps. :grrr:

Right, so do I but it's a long story with that guy. He really didn't give me a chance to do anything. Just snapped his fingers the whole time and got pissy when I didn't do something he wanted, when he wanted. He even got mad when I used shorthand to type. It ended in a shouting match. That's why I just should have went my own way when I realized he was having a bad night. At the same time I'm not going to get all bent out of shape when someone doesn't help me. They aren't obligated. Why let some turd ruin the game. I'm just glad WoW caters to soloing.

greymann
01-11-2004, 03:20 AM
...He who angers you controls you. Why should we let our experience and success in the game be hostage to someone elses disposition that we can't do anything about. Focus on the things you can control and minimize the rest. Everyone shouldn't have to be all peachy clean anyway.

SirNevin
01-11-2004, 03:26 AM
All games have morons in abundance, the trick is to find people who are not morons and surround yourself with them. I'm sure I'll run into morons daily when I play WoW, and when I was in the ST this was the case. But I simply ignored them and concentrated on the game and the people who shouldn't have been aborted.

well said..Monthly fee doesn't root out idiots..Monthly fee=rich ******* teenagers who use their rich mommy and daddy's credit card

The thing we ALL need to face is that ALL video games have assholes..Ever play Ultima Online?? jeeze that place is surrounded by assholes..What your job to do as a loyal obedient moral gamer is to short out the assholes and find all the cool nice gamers like yourself and be with them..and if the assholes still annoy u...why not just gain a level and kick their ***

Dark606
01-11-2004, 03:29 AM
why not just gain a level and kick their ***
because you'll get a dishonorable kill.. :)

SirNevin
01-11-2004, 03:32 AM
yea but it will be worth it..comeon :)

BTTT
01-11-2004, 03:42 AM
Morons are everywhere, that's life. But ya the monthly will turn off a lot of potential idiots..

"Y I HAF TO pAY EVRY MONTH"

Very true. No monthly fees = moron country/city/where ever you feel morons are everywhere.

Pinky
01-11-2004, 04:37 AM
Although I agree with many posters here that monthly fees will root out some of the prankster children who have no credit card access, I would also add another strata that may be eliminated by said fees: many people who like to annoy and befuddle may think twice even if they access to credit cards. It seems logical to me that many people would not pay fifteen dollars a month to annoy players when they could do so for free on Steam or Battlenet or any other free service. Furthermore, they run the risk of paying for the service and then getting banned instantly upon their first crime, thus wasting the subscription fee (moreso than they already had done, that is). Just like many players consider whether a game is fun enough to warrant a subscription -- and a fair portion of those players decide it isn't fun enough -- many nuisances must now consider whether being annoying is fun enough to warrant the fee. And like regular players, I bet many will decide it just isn't fun enough.

LuxAeterna
01-11-2004, 04:43 AM
"will wow be filled with morons"

Cry more noob!!!!




That was a demonstration of b.net kiddies.

Bless credit cards.
Ban Game cards.
Ban Parents who subscribe their kids.
If gamecards gets made there should be 18 year old ID check to get em!

Xlorep DarkHelm
01-11-2004, 04:44 AM
All the fee really will do is exchange your typical moron with a much more devious version of moron, known as the scammer. These morons will trick people out of their equipment, characters, accounts, and even credit card information, will attempt to shoplift the gamecards, and what have you, as well as all the typical moron tricks.

Dark606
01-11-2004, 04:52 AM
I am starting to get annoyed with how STUPID some of you are. Because someone isn't 18 doesn't mean they are immature. I am going to fill up my ignore list with you morons. Since when has it been that you are taught morals ONCE you are 18? Last time I checked people are taught morals in elementary. HATERS.
thats my :rant: for the day

fugazi1
01-11-2004, 05:30 AM
you mean people like me? trust me you will always find people like this

garebear2571
01-11-2004, 05:31 AM
Title's pretty self explanatory, from someone well fluent in the horrors of Battle.net I can safetly say out of most games blizzard attracts usually the most idiotic, stupid, racist, anti-semetic/american/french/gays, backstabbing retards out there. While every game has these people they're usually at a tolerate level. From the closed beta and stress test there doesn't seem to be too big of a problem but when millions of players playing well.... you never know.

I've seen plenty of ninja looters, ninja miners, ninja skinners, people 10 levels above you outright ignore your cries for help as 5 horde your level chase you, people who once completing their quest just quit....

Just because you asked, yes, WoW will be over-run with morons.

~Gare

Xlorep DarkHelm
01-11-2004, 06:07 AM
I am starting to get annoyed with how STUPID some of you are. Because someone isn't 18 doesn't mean they are immature. I am going to fill up my ignore list with you morons. Since when has it been that you are taught morals ONCE you are 18? Last time I checked people are taught morals in elementary. HATERS.
thats my :rant: for the day
Careful, you don't wanna be labelled a flamer, and get your arguement disregarded.

Honestly, however, I do agree with you, which is why I don't include age into my statements. Why? Because I was the kind of kid who would talk philosophy, religion an politics with adults at the age of 12. I ran circles around computer teachers and math teachers all through school, and was one of the best debaters my schools had up through when I finally got bored with debate. I can honestly say I was one of those kids that was under 18 and rather mature - which did label me as an outsider in school, but oh well.

And yes - when I was younger, I too found it frustrating when people woud use age as the steriotype to label people with. I'd prefer a more personal evaluation based on myself for who I am, not what or how old I am.

Bossman2099
01-11-2004, 06:43 AM
Will there be people with disruptive behaviour in WoW? Undoubtedly. Will the problem be as rampant as it was in the other previous Blizzard games? Most likely not.

It's important to remember that WoW will be a MMORPG, it's a persistent game world unlike the other previous games. The things people do will have consequences attached to them, be it good or bad. If these disruptive players continues to disturb other players, it won't be long before they're alienated from the server community that they're on. If by chance these particular players decide to band together into a guild through the common cause of griefing others, then it's just simply become another dynamic of the game that you have to combat.

Hydro
01-11-2004, 06:47 AM
Careful, you don't wanna be labelled a flamer, and get your arguement disregarded.

Honestly, however, I do agree with you, which is why I don't include age into my statements. Why? Because I was the kind of kid who would talk philosophy, religion an politics with adults at the age of 12. I ran circles around computer teachers and math teachers all through school, and was one of the best debaters my schools had up through when I finally got bored with debate. I can honestly say I was one of those kids that was under 18 and rather mature - which did label me as an outsider in school, but oh well.

And yes - when I was younger, I too found it frustrating when people woud use age as the steriotype to label people with. I'd prefer a more personal evaluation based on myself for who I am, not what or how old I am.

Ditto. Down to the personal school experience.
Age should not be a factor, I know 30 year olds who are less mature than 13 year olds.

garebear2571
01-11-2004, 06:59 AM
Bless credit cards.
Ban Game cards.
Ban Parents who subscribe their kids.
If gamecards gets made there should be 18 year old ID check to get em!

Wow ... you're so "mature" and "intellegent." Can I ever be as cool as you?

Yes, let's take away more rights from people who are under 18! Hell, if we had it my way, we'd just kill them all. But seriously, let's abuse the youth some more and see what happens when parents retire and can't afford their own apartment? Can we say "old folks' home?"
(I enjoy being an *** just as much as you do :D.)

And yes, restrict the game for 18+ only, after all the game is rated T for Teen (13+). Does it really affect you that much if some moron 10 year old is running around being stupid?

Yeah sure I've had my share of morons who I was "friends" with in D2. He wouldn't ever leave me or my other friends alone, but he did actually do one good thing for us: he introduced me to my good B.Net buddies who I still talk to on MSN and I plan on playing WoW with.

So my inquery for you is: are kids really as bad as you say they are? Or do you just exaggerate them to the point where you can't stand them.

Someone in another thread pointed out that just 2 people can piss off a room of 50 so much that all 50 of them vow to never play a game or go back to that room ever again (work something like the 2 people pissing everyone else off would piss each other off as well).

So if you ask me, I don't mind the kids, they don't hurt me in anyway. Hell, the kids rake in more money for Bliz, and I'm completely okay with that :D. After all, that'll help them pound EQ2 into the ground.

I agree with Dark606 ... turning 18 doesn't just magically transform you into this wonderful and incredible and completely mature person. It just means you're one year older than 17.

~Gare

Harwel
01-11-2004, 07:05 AM
"will wow be filled with morons"

Cry more noob!!!!




That was a demonstration of b.net kiddies.

Bless credit cards.
Ban Game cards.
Ban Parents who subscribe their kids.
If gamecards gets made there should be 18 year old ID check to get em!

Age and intelligence are unrelated. Age and manners are also unrelated. I know 12-year-olds I would rather play WoW with than some 30-somethings (my own age group) I've come across, because they are more polite, considerate, and intelligent.

There will be rude and/or stupid people in every game. That's what /ignore lists are for. It's not an issue.

TheClaps
01-11-2004, 07:09 AM
I thought this was gonna be a poll? :D

Are you:
A. A moron
B. A Ninja Looter
C. A Biggot
D. ... You get the idea :D :D
kekeke

Ifrit18
01-11-2004, 08:14 AM
B.net kiddies will probaly be more fasincated with the

Male gnome dance and night elf female dance :p

ChaosFayt
01-11-2004, 09:22 AM
heres hoping there are no wow players like the roc/tft ones on battle.net, cuz geez they are really stupid and annoying

red.13
01-11-2004, 03:12 PM
I know there will be morons.
I know they will spoil the fun.

I also hope that if we all focus on punishining such idiots it will be better - no one likes to pay ~15$$$ a month for a game in which you are ever-punished and killed. While we will achieve this there for sure will be less morons around.

Maybe Im not a 'gold member' of this forum but the majority of posters are ppl who have a similar beliefs thus I do not worry about you, but for example on numberous forums the threads look like this:

Thread name: 'Which race is the best?"
Posts: "Yo, I wanna know which race is the BEST for U. I love undead - they are f*** great. F**** the taurens. HORDE SHALL RULE over alliance. YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"You know nothing about this game - gnomes XXXroXXXorZZZZ. Shut the fu** up."

. . .I hope you get the view.

Kurich
01-11-2004, 03:42 PM
Will WoW be filled with morons?

If you go in search for them, it will sure seem like it is.

Good answer!

I don't think the moron/cool people ratio will be signifigantly different than it was in Closed or Stress.
All of the groups have been drawn (mostly) randomly from the same player base. Yes, there will be more morons, but there will also be more cool people.
Just slap an /ignore on the morons and keep playing with those you wish to play with.

SirNevin
01-11-2004, 03:45 PM
Yes, let's take away more rights from people who are under 18! Hell, if we had it my way, we'd just kill them all. But seriously, let's abuse the youth some more and see what happens when parents retire and can't afford their own apartment? Can we say "old folks' home?"
(I enjoy being an *** just as much as you do .)

And yes, restrict the game for 18+ only, after all the game is rated T for Teen (13+). Does it really affect you that much if some moron 10 year old is running around being stupid?

Yeah sure I've had my share of morons who I was "friends" with in D2. He wouldn't ever leave me or my other friends alone, but he did actually do one good thing for us: he introduced me to my good B.Net buddies who I still talk to on MSN and I plan on playing WoW with.

So my inquery for you is: are kids really as bad as you say they are? Or do you just exaggerate them to the point where you can't stand them.

Someone in another thread pointed out that just 2 people can piss off a room of 50 so much that all 50 of them vow to never play a game or go back to that room ever again (work something like the 2 people pissing everyone else off would piss each other off as well).

So if you ask me, I don't mind the kids, they don't hurt me in anyway. Hell, the kids rake in more money for Bliz, and I'm completely okay with that . After all, that'll help them pound EQ2 into the ground.

I agree with Dark606 ... turning 18 doesn't just magically transform you into this wonderful and incredible and completely mature person. It just means you're one year older than 17.

I love whoever posted that...LISTEN....I'm 16 and I'm more mature than my some of my brothers friends who are what?? 20?!!! jeeze look at some of the "adults"..I remember getting scammed all the time in UO by whom??? not people my own age...BY 29 YEAR OLDS!!! jeeze..it doesn't matter how OLD you are, you can still be an *******..

and age restrictions on time cards??? wtf?? that's ***..I already have no rights at this age..why don't you just take more away..I went to buy Psyphon Filter (pardon spelling) with my friend over the summer and as we approached the counter the clerk asked for our ID????? WTF!!!! ID!!!! ok...I understand getting ID'ed for buying cig's, porn, and lottery tickets but for a FRIGGIN VIDEO GAME!!! I was about to beat the living crap out of that lady..That's an insult..One of my first video games was Duck Hunt..where you SHOOT BIRDS...my all time favorite game MORTAL COMBAT where blood shoots out of your enemy comeon...I don't need more rights taken away from me when I can't even buy a video game anymore...

It's not the age it's the politeness and loyalty to each other as gamers..if you respect a new player when he asks for help..you'd help him..not backstab him and take all his stuff..

It's the Gamer Chivalry Code...
1) Thou shall help noobs
2) Thou shall not backstab
3) Thou shall not party and loot someone's corpse
4) Thou shall not be disrespectful because of race, gender, or age

anyone have anymore additions to addon?

Scytale
01-11-2004, 05:02 PM
word, and I thought blizzard have solutions for the most of the morons

J0xer
01-11-2004, 05:45 PM
mostly from my experience in mmo's if you end up grouped with one of these people the group ends up being broken real quick so its not really a waste of time, you just have to go find a replacement guy. the morons always end up doing something stupid like pulling tons of stuff because they don't know how to work as a team and definately don't like listening to other people give them orders.