View Full Version : I do not like Night Elves.
Longshot007
20-11-2004, 09:50 PM
In this thread post the race you hate the most and why.
I personaly hate night elves, 90% of the people that play them are legolas fanboys. The other 10% are a mix of hippies and elf lovers. I can't stand any elves at all. Exspecialy dark elves. The gnomes and dwarves, even the humans to an extent all welcome the steady flow of new technology, and it is my humble opinion that the night elves are doomed to failure. :)
Cursive
20-11-2004, 10:10 PM
Starting a hate thread doesn't sound like a good idea to me. So in response, I say, "Love all, serve all. Peace, love and happiness man."
OmesStar
20-11-2004, 10:17 PM
Personally I kinda liked NE, and i pretty much don't fit into either of the two categories you mentioned, what now. :)
Karmond
20-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Hmm... 90% Legolas fans, 10% elf lovers... hmmm. ;)
So it's not really the race you hate but the people playing them? Seems a little unfair and a general view of Night Elf players.
Personally I don't like Orcs though.
Ortai
20-11-2004, 10:19 PM
We had a good discussion of this on the "Will the alliance ever . . ." thread. You might want to check that out.
Dark606
20-11-2004, 10:26 PM
LOL....
80% are legolas fanboys
10% are morons
but the other 10% (including me) will destroy you in pvp for your ignorance.... :D
Kupotek
20-11-2004, 10:28 PM
I hate posts like these, what race are you?
LordGex
20-11-2004, 10:32 PM
I must say, i dont see why legolas lovers would GO NE, i mean, they look nothing like him, the ONLY similarty is HALF the name, Night ELF. They are purple, REALLY long eared, heavily muscled and toned. and are more 'Ruggedly Handsome' than beautiful.
Legolas lovers would be better off beign a human female, as thats as close as they can get to legolas looking characters.
But back to the topic... Lets see... the race i hate most would be undead. I see the orcs, troll and tauren as having alot of good in them. simply misunderstood, the undead however... I just cant trust them in anyway.
Squarebob Spongepants
20-11-2004, 10:37 PM
Legolas lovers would be better off beign a human female, as thats as close as they can get to legolas looking characters.
:lol:
Oh, and I agree with you about the ears. They really went overboard on those. Long and pointy is perfectly fine with me but the NE's are a perfect example of where the designers took it to an extreme and made them way too long for my taste.
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Pietoro
20-11-2004, 10:57 PM
The only race that does nothing for me is Humans. I don't hate them, but they don't interest me at all.
Korlak
20-11-2004, 11:02 PM
The Legolas fanboys/girls will most likely be playing Battle of Middle Earth. ^^ And anyone thinking when they get World of Warcraft they get a Lord of the Rings MMORPG should be slapped in the face.
Kupotek
20-11-2004, 11:16 PM
Ya I agree NE ears are way too long, they look bad.
LordGex
20-11-2004, 11:27 PM
I never said that i didnt like the NE ears. I love them, i think that blizzard took them to the extreme is great. I was merely pointing out that they are not the modestly pointy ears in the LotR elf sense.
LotR fans have no reason to be playing night elves. The only similarity is the nature afinity, and the name similarity. The elves in WoW are NOT imortal (at least not anymore) Different colour, glowing eyes, have more classes than just archers, the druids can even shapechange.
They also wont be fighting the evil orcs of the LotR universe. the Orcs in WoW are noble and intelligent, The trolls are quick and agile. And the Tauren dont have any LotR counter part that im familiar with. I just dont understand people who think this game makes a good LotR outlet or substitute.
Dark606
20-11-2004, 11:34 PM
The one race I think needs to be destroyed are gnomes.
I dont like ogres very much too.... especially mad ones ;) j/k
LOL....
80% are legolas fanboys
10% are morons
but the other 10% (including me) will destroy you in pvp for your ignorance.... :DWait a second... that still means that 90% of Night Elf players are made up of Legolas fanboys and morons! :D
Dark606
20-11-2004, 11:52 PM
true....
so pvp is actually more like 10 NE for every 100 horde :D
Dutch.Malice
20-11-2004, 11:53 PM
You failed to factor Warcraft3 into your calculations. The only reason I play a Night Elf in WoW, is because they were my best race in Wc3.
Ah, how I miss people saying "shut the fu ck up, noobelf!" to me. Nostalgia!
I also felt most 'connected' with the night elf campaign in RoC, than the other races. Facinating storyline. Though Human takes the second spot.
Foldedspace
20-11-2004, 11:58 PM
Why play Night Elves? For the chicks, baby...
Yeah, I know that half the female characters in the game are run by drooling oddities hunched over their keyboards in the dark, but dang if the NE female toons don't look good shaking what the Moon Goddess gave 'em.
Plus NE start off in a great area, as in looks and location. Pity about no Mage class for NE, but shikata ga nai.
I don't want to play Horde (not yet anyway). Humans get the Pally class, but their land is a bit too sunny and they are a bit too boring. Gnomes are too cute and Dwarves are a distant second in my mind to Night Elves in coolness factor. I ran a NE Warrior in Beta, but haven't decided to do that again in retail. Maybe a Druid...did a tour in the Barrens with a high lvl NE Druid and had trouble getting into a fight with the other monster or player before it was over. Priests are good in groups, but I do a lot of soloing.
I just wish it was Tuesday already....
Personally, I don't like humans because they are plain and simple. I also don't like dwarves because they are short and of course I don't like gnomes, because they are even shorter!!! :cheesy:
Mr_stien
21-11-2004, 12:47 AM
First LoTR predates all other fantasy. Then D&D expanded on that idea. The normal elf archtype is quite old and I personally think the night elf is a fresh different look for them.
Oberon
21-11-2004, 12:50 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Legolas....mmmmmm...... :drool:
Cursive
21-11-2004, 12:56 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Legolas....mmmmmm...... :drool:
LOL! Gross dude.... unless you're a chick...
Squarebob Spongepants
21-11-2004, 01:04 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Legolas....mmmmmm...... :drool:
I think that is what the Governator would call a girly man :D
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Oberon
21-11-2004, 01:19 AM
I think that is what the Governator would call a girly man.
Legolas could kick Arnold's butt.
Isoih
21-11-2004, 01:22 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Legolas....mmmmmm...... :drool:
I'm just gonna quote this again here cause its annoyingly disgusting lol
BTW, I have a Human, a Tauren, a Troll, and a Night Elf, and I like my night elf just as much if not even more than my other characters and I'm NOT a Legolas fanboy.
And I could tell you that more than half of the players that play NE that I know of arent either.
Any hardcore or softcore gamer isn't, plus those who choose NE at the begining cause they love elves or look "cool" wont last long in the game anyway cause PvP is ruthless (and elf lovers dont like ruthless).
- Isoih
Kinst
21-11-2004, 02:03 AM
The night elves are nothing like LOTR elves. LOTR elves were dainty and civilized, Night Elves are feral. They have big ears and pointy eyebrows. The men especially are non-elven. Big muscles, beards and glowy eyes. Even their skin is different.
And I love my floppy ears. He's so cute :wave:.
Isoih
21-11-2004, 02:24 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
................................
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 02:28 AM
In this thread post the race you hate the most and why.
I personaly hate night elves, 90% of the people that play them are legolas fanboys. The other 10% are a mix of hippies and elf lovers. I can't stand any elves at all. Exspecialy dark elves. The gnomes and dwarves, even the humans to an extent all welcome the steady flow of new technology, and it is my humble opinion that the night elves are doomed to failure. :)
Impressive statistics, did you get those from anywhere other than your butt? But, I guess it's understandable, considering apparently there's a large number of people who like fantasy and hate Elves (for some reason) - hell, the entire Diomon campaign setting for D&D was released by a group which stated "There ain't no stinkin' elves here". So, you hate elves, more specifically, you hate Night Elves. so what? Big deal. No reason to make a hate thread over it. Just don't play 'em, nobody's forcing you to. Everyone has their own personal preferences for class and race selection.
Let's try to keep the hate threads out of here. If you wanna start hate threads, talk to OMO, he'll be more than happy to provide you with a list of Forums where such things are acceptable.
Sentinel
21-11-2004, 02:37 AM
First LoTR predates all other fantasy.
You're a moron.
And I hate gnomes because their a comical waste of space, orcs because they look like theyve been hit in the face with a shovel and have the linguistic skills of a turnip, trolls because they stole a jamacan accent and allied with the horde, dwarves because theyre wider than they are tall (and I despise short ppl), Tauren because theyrr cattle and are just minotaurs renamed and are yet another "me no need think" race.
Whatd I miss? Ah, undead are crap because you cant play as undead elves and they have no decent body customisation for wounds and what not, plu the whole forgetting common thing makes no sence. NE suck because thats the race all the battle.net kiddies are drawn to but what be kool otherwise.
Yes, I play human.
what the hell man, night elf men are fruits but night elf women are ****ing wonderful lol
i mean, when i get in a party with one i often let everyone die because i am too focused on her.. lol
only problem is they're usually guys... uwaah
EDIT: Sentinel I will kick your *** for insulting dwarves =)
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 02:41 AM
Impressive statistics, did you get those from anywhere other than your butt? But, I guess it's understandable, considering apparently there's a large number of people who like fantasy and hate Elves (for some reason) - hell, the entire Diomon campaign setting for D&D was released by a group which stated "There ain't no stinkin' elves here". So, you hate elves, more specifically, you hate Night Elves. so what? Big deal. No reason to make a hate thread over it. Just don't play 'em, nobody's forcing you to. Everyone has their own personal preferences for class and race selection.
Let's try to keep the hate threads out of here. If you wanna start hate threads, talk to OMO, he'll be more than happy to provide you with a list of Forums where such things are acceptable.
I had a huge reply typed out but then my tab key sent me back a page....
The percentages are an exageration. I know not 90% of elves are legolas fanboys but I do know a large amount are. I made a night elf to try the druid class and I discovered all of this myself. If you want to say I'm hallucinating go right ahead, but remember you're the one taking offense when I say I don't like a non-existant race.
Skatterbrain
21-11-2004, 02:49 AM
Like I said im an elf for 4 simple reasons. For the druid reason I dont like cows. Simple enough. Elvs from lore and what not are woodland people so seems like it would fit for a druid. Cat form just looks badass with yellow eyes. And elves can flip in the air. Nuff said. Most hated race are those damn dwarves! I hate you all! NOT BECAUSE YOUR SHORT. BECAUSE YOUR HAIRY AND STUBBY
theorist
21-11-2004, 03:05 AM
wow. what a completely bs generalization. yeah, i like legolas and the elves in lotr... though my fascination with elves started like ten years ago man. i thought this post would be about why you dislike a race in-game, not about the people playing them.
that's rude and it shows how provincial you really are. i've played with a lot of people that play night elves and a good majority of them are respectful players. i don't see where you come up with that judgement.
Kupotek
21-11-2004, 03:06 AM
I chose night elf because theyre the most appealing to me. Legolas never crossed my mind. I think when you generalize you really just make an idiot of yourself.
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 03:10 AM
Well since my personal experiences aren't worth nearly as much as anyone elses I'm a fat lying fraud. Yep goes to show how hypocritical some people are. You guys are only proving my point.
Dyntheos
21-11-2004, 03:11 AM
I too like the look of the Night Elves. I like the longer ears it distinguishes them from other more mainstream views of the elvish race. One thing missed also is not just thier ears but the massive eye brows as well. All up it definately gives them an otherworldly look and not just another Humanoid subset appearance.
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 03:15 AM
Like I said im an elf for 4 simple reasons. For the druid reason I dont like cows. Simple enough. Elvs from lore and what not are woodland people so seems like it would fit for a druid. Cat form just looks badass with yellow eyes. And elves can flip in the air. Nuff said. Most hated race are those damn dwarves! I hate you all! NOT BECAUSE YOUR SHORT. BECAUSE YOUR HAIRY AND STUBBY
Dwarfs are cool. There scotish and can kick your *** any day lol j/k. And gnomes are the most hated race
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 03:15 AM
I had a huge reply typed out but then my tab key sent me back a page....
The percentages are an exageration. I know not 90% of elves are legolas fanboys but I do know a large amount are. I made a night elf to try the druid class and I discovered all of this myself. If you want to say I'm hallucinating go right ahead, but remember you're the one taking offense when I say I don't like a non-existant race.
No, sorry, what you did was intentionally post a thread topic to provoke violent reactions from people. You, I dub Troll. For your response, you get to meet Mr. /ignore. Buh-bye, Gracie.
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 03:19 AM
No, sorry, what you did was intentionally post a thread topic to provoke violent reactions from people. You, I dub Troll. For your response, you get to meet Mr. /ignore. Buh-bye, Gracie.
Good work taking my dislike for a fantasy race as an insult :).
Kashya
21-11-2004, 03:24 AM
In this thread post the race you hate the most and why.
I personaly hate night elves, 90% of the people that play them are legolas fanboys. The other 10% are a mix of hippies and elf lovers. I can't stand any elves at all. Exspecialy dark elves. The gnomes and dwarves, even the humans to an extent all welcome the steady flow of new technology, and it is my humble opinion that the night elves are doomed to failure. :)
What's wrong with being a hippie...? :winner:
theorist
21-11-2004, 03:26 AM
Good work taking my dislike for a fantasy race as an insult :).
you really are looking like an idiot in front of everyone...
dislike for a fantasy race an insult? i think you clearly illustrated in your original post that is was the people playing that race that you dislike.
you ought to make sure you know what your posting and be prepared to properly respond to comments made if you respond at all.
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 03:27 AM
Good work taking my dislike for a fantasy race as an insult :).
........................................ *luaghs self to death* :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dark606
21-11-2004, 03:28 AM
funny how I have never even heard anyone say anything about lotr
Azraelion
21-11-2004, 03:29 AM
I'll be a Night Elf in retail just 'cause I like their history (been reading too much "War of the Ancients" lately. :)
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 03:35 AM
Perhaps you didn't read my entire post. I stated reason I don't like the in game race as well, and as you seem to imply my personal experiences with the players mean nothing. I may look like an idiot but atleast I'm not saying you're a liar because you had a different gaming experience than me. I made this topic so people could discuss things they dislike. I did not start it so some of the less mature members of the boar (you) could flame me for disliking players I met while playing in a particular area. People like you are the ones trying to start the flame war. You didn't see me whine when people said they didn't like my favorite race, everyone has their own opinions if they don't coincide with yours get the hell over it.
Cursive
21-11-2004, 03:39 AM
True, but stuff like this just causes problems (as shown) whether you intend it to or not. My suggestion is to just stay away from the implication of hate in a thread. Remember, "Love all, serve all."
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 03:40 AM
Good work taking my dislike for a fantasy race as an insult :).
ok, your hate of a fantasy race...
I personaly hate night elves, 90% of the people that play them are legolas fanboys. The other 10% are a mix of hippies and elf lovers. I can't stand any elves at all. Exspecialy dark elves. The gnomes and dwarves, even the humans to an extent all welcome the steady flow of new technology, and it is my humble opinion that the night elves are doomed to failure.
Yup, not at all directed against people who play night elves. Phew, glad this was cleared up.
For the record - I do not play Night Elf characters usually. Notice my avatar, that's not a Night Elf picture, it's a Troll. I like the Horde races more than Alliance races, simple as that. And yet, you've decided that since I responded to your post with a logical counterarguement, that instead, you have decided to make ad hominum attacks against me, claiming that because I opposed your arguements, therefore I must be someone who was easily offended by your hatred of a fantasy race.
(btw - no, I don't see your posts, because you are on ignore. However, I did see your post as quoted by others. Have a nice life.)
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 03:45 AM
ok, your hate of a fantasy race...
Yup, not at all directed against people who play night elves. Phew, glad this was cleared up.
For the record - I do not play Night Elf characters usually. Notice my avatar, that's not a Night Elf picture, it's a Troll. I like the Horde races more than Alliance races, simple as that. And yet, you've decided that since I responded to your post with a logical counterarguement, that instead, you have decided to make ad hominum attacks against me, claiming that because I opposed your arguements, therefore I must be someone who was easily offended by your hatred of a fantasy race.
(btw - no, I don't see your posts, because you are on ignore. However, I did see your post as quoted by others. Have a nice life.)
I never said part of my problem WASN'T Directed at the people who play them. However since you can't read this it doesn't matter.
Hmm, well, I rather like Night Elves, not the men, they look well, stupid in my opinion, a little too beefy maybe, but something about them just doesn't sit well with me. The female night elves on the other hand, asside from the fact that they're the #1 sex object in WoW, appeal to me for stealthy sorts of characters. I really hate all these immature pricks who make female night elves to dance around naked and make lewd comments at everyone unfortunate enough to get within 20 feet of them. It makes playing one feel rather cheap. Anyway, as for races I actually hate, there's really only one. Trolls. I admit, I have been spoiled by tons of fantasy lore in which trolls are big hulking rather stupid stone skinned monstrosities, but even putting that asside I just think the WoW trolls look comical, not scary, not brutish, not tough, not any classic ideal you'd have for trolls, but stupidly silly. Personally I wish they had included goblins as the horde's agile race rather than trolls.
The one race I think needs to be destroyed are gnomes.
Like I said in response to a comment like this in-game. Gnomes are like dropping a carton of BB's in your carpet. You don't have to look at them but you'll be picking them up in your vacuum for years.
I will be playing a Gnome Warlock, the most offensive combo to the haters. Also I plan on flaunting this a lot with the Gnome Warlock engineer motif roleplaying whenever possible.
As far as NE are concerned, they did take the concept art a lil to seriously. Impressive features yes, but hard to look at without wondering if the aesthetics guy didn't come down with a colonitis somewhere in the middle of of the parring-down phase of design.
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 04:01 AM
Gnomes must die, one tuated me when I lost a duel and was too chicken to duel me. So I did the old /rude command right in his face lol :lol:
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 04:01 AM
srry double post
Cursive
21-11-2004, 04:17 AM
I will be playing a Gnome Warlock, the most offensive combo to the haters.
LOL! True, I too will have a Gnome Warlock to mock all the playa haters.
Isoih
21-11-2004, 04:18 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Cursive
21-11-2004, 04:25 AM
Hmm, well, I think I've seen his face enough times to last me the rest of my life.... nah.
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 04:26 AM
legolas sucks :lol:
Isoih
21-11-2004, 04:31 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
I feel *** just by looking at him :D lol
Cursive
21-11-2004, 04:32 AM
Damnit man! Stop posting his picture! :lol:
Isoih
21-11-2004, 04:37 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
I'm trying damnit.
He's stalking me.
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 04:38 AM
.......................... http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/legolaslane/images/Humorous/zit03.jpg
Grumpy Joe
21-11-2004, 04:53 AM
The only race in WoW I dislike is the gnomes. I had too many bad experiences with wierdo and jerk gnome players in EQ. This makes me sad as I used to enjoy gnomes back in the old AD&D days (Illusionist/Thief anyone?).
Cursive
21-11-2004, 04:57 AM
I'm trying damnit.
He's stalking me. He does have that look of stalkerdom, doesn't he? I bet he has a fetish for stalking his victims before having his way with them.... Dude, you're screwed. Run. Hide. Cover your cornhole.
Aurun
21-11-2004, 04:58 AM
I just dont understand people who think this game makes a good LotR outlet or substitute.
You must understand that LOTR (the books..the things with paper and scibbles<g>) started the entire GENRE of fantasy roleplay. WoW is just oen was that we can pay homage to LOTR. The interpretations of every race in every instance changes. Are you familiar with the Rankin and Bass animated feature, The Hobbit, based upon the book? Look at how they interpreted the look of Orcs, Goblins, and even the Wood Elves. They seem a bit out-of-sync with the beautific, fairylike elves that are portrayed so often.
Personally I like the Wow take on Elves and I look forward to playing my Night Elf...
Dragonflame
21-11-2004, 05:01 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Were all going to die........
Dravym
21-11-2004, 05:14 AM
The only race that does nothing for me is Humans. I don't hate them, but they don't interest me at all.
That's pretty much how I feel about dwarves. I even like the Trolls better.
MartinDeShade
21-11-2004, 05:23 AM
You must understand that LOTR (the books..the things with paper and scibbles<g>) started the entire GENRE of fantasy roleplay. WoW is just oen was that we can pay homage to LOTR. The interpretations of every race in every instance changes. Are you familiar with the Rankin and Bass animated feature, The Hobbit, based upon the book? Look at how they interpreted the look of Orcs, Goblins, and even the Wood Elves. They seem a bit out-of-sync with the beautific, fairylike elves that are portrayed so often.
Personally I like the Wow take on Elves and I look forward to playing my Night Elf...
I am sorry but NO. LoTR didn't start the entire genre of fantasy. There has been folk tales of Hobbits, elves, orcs, and goblins for centuries. He simply wrote a very succesful book with them highly featured. He wasn't even the first person to write a fictional story with them in it. Thats like saying Stephen King invented horror stories, because he was fabulously successful at it. Or saying the Frankenstien book was the first horror story.
Phaetus
21-11-2004, 05:30 AM
Actually, LOTR did have a huge influence to WoW.
For example, in the Simrililian (spelling, no idea how to spell it) by Toilken speaks of dwarves being made of clay by the titans, and speaks of how they slept in the earth for years.
Sound familiar?
FrozenYak
21-11-2004, 05:30 AM
ack...legolas
yup, sad to say it but thats also the reason I hate night elves the most. I love the lord of the rings movies and I loved the books before it, but the fanboys that came with it have driven me insane:(
sure, they may not even look like the same at all - but try and convince all the hardcore legolas fans about that!
SubtleAmbition
21-11-2004, 05:31 AM
I do not like narrowminded twits who not only categorically toss all players of a race in a FREAKING VIDEO GAME into one or two personality types.
To everyones disapointment and disgust Im playing a gnome warrior or mage in retail.. so HA.
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 05:38 AM
This is what I meant the thread to be. (Without the legolas) :p
Grumpy Joe
21-11-2004, 06:13 AM
BTTT, since you are going to play a gnome, could you please refrain from running around like a fool shouting "Gnome Powah 4eva!"
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 06:18 AM
Isoih! Please, stop with the spamming. Another Legolas pic and you go on ignore!
BTTT, since you are going to play a gnome, could you please refrain from running around like a fool shouting "Gnome Powah 4eva!"
LOL i never even thought about sayin that or anything like that in the OB.... so never fear! i will reframe from shouting foolish things!!
Isoih
21-11-2004, 06:45 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/6941/legolas.jpg
Uhm.....
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 06:46 AM
Ok Isoih, sorry, but you're now on /ignore.
Mecahawk
21-11-2004, 06:48 AM
I want every last one of these earth-loving, tree-hugging, pointy-eared weaklings out of here NOW! -Eastern Paladin
Isoih! Please, stop with the spamming. Another Legolas pic and you go on ignore!
I dunno before seeing this post I was pretty neutral irt Legolas even after seeing all the respellings of his name in MMOs. It took the 4th one really drive home the lameness of the whole Legolas wet dream.
Isoih
21-11-2004, 06:59 AM
Ok Isoih, sorry, but you're now on /ignore.
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/1782/1leggyhot.jpg
Ok ok.... geez........ :uhhuh:
Pietoro
21-11-2004, 07:02 AM
LOL! Did you draw that? Cute!
Isoih
21-11-2004, 07:10 AM
I dunno before seeing this post I was pretty neutral irt Legolas even after seeing all the respellings of his name in MMOs. It took the 4th one really drive home the lameness of the whole Legolas wet dream.
I've found it lame since The Two Towers.
BTW, sorry Xlorep! I didn't see your plee :scared:
Thalassicus
21-11-2004, 07:19 AM
Mmm...it's pretty obvious that the Warcraft storyline comes largely from LotR and The Wheel of Time, with lots of classic fantasy creatures thrown in. Why try make your own story when you have excellent sources of inspiration already available? :thumbsup:
My least favorite race is probably trolls. They're just wierd :lol:
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 07:25 AM
Let's not forget the Warhammer influence that the Warcraft games drew from as well.
LordGex
21-11-2004, 07:30 AM
Wheel of time?
*Scratches head*
Ive read the entire series, but i dont see the influence anywhere in WoW.
And as for LotR. I mean, its hard to say WoW is NOT influence by it... but... really, its quite different, the races have similar NAMES but thats about it, oh... and there is some magic too. Whoop-dee-doo, its a LotR clone because its races have similar names and there is some magic.
Not meant to insult you really, but i just keep hearing it over and over. and it gets a little tireing. If you really believe its just a LotR rip off, make a post detailing all the similarities. THAT i havnt seen. most people just whine and never give good reasons. Im sure there are enough similarities that can be dug up to a least make an ATTEMPT at a comparison.
Isoih
21-11-2004, 07:36 AM
Warhammer = Warcraft and Starcraft.
Though i like the Warcraft universe better.
In regardss to story, WarCraft seems to have evolved enough to distinguish itself from the pack.
In the Warcraft Artbook it was stated that when creating the races, Blizzard always wanted it to be very Tolkien-esque. But really people, who are we kidding, ALL modern fantasy comes fromm Tolkien.
Berym
21-11-2004, 07:38 AM
1/ LotR DID start the fantasy genre. Before then it was just myths, which was Tolkiens intent with LotR anyhow.
2/ ANYthing Fantasy has Father Tolkien to thank for its existence. Full stop. Whether or not they are BASED on Middle-Earth is another matter.
3/ While Dwarves and Elves existed prior to LotR, they did not exist as they do today. What we see as Dwarves and Elves is thanks to Tolkien. Deal with it and move on. You may not like LotR but he's responsible for how we see Fantasy today. Elves were mystical and non-human and very alien. Dwarves were more just elemental spirits. The tree-hugging Elves and mine-loving Dwarves are thanks to Tolkien.
4/ As far as I can tell Tolkien invented the Hobbits. The closest pre-LotR things I can find are brownies and so on.
GoofinItUp
21-11-2004, 07:38 AM
You're a moron.
And I hate gnomes because their a comical waste of space, orcs because they look like theyve been hit in the face with a shovel and have the linguistic skills of a turnip, trolls because they stole a jamacan accent and allied with the horde, dwarves because theyre wider than they are tall (and I despise short ppl), Tauren because theyrr cattle and are just minotaurs renamed and are yet another "me no need think" race.
Whatd I miss? Ah, undead are crap because you cant play as undead elves and they have no decent body customisation for wounds and what not, plu the whole forgetting common thing makes no sence. NE suck because thats the race all the battle.net kiddies are drawn to but what be kool otherwise.
Yes, I play human.
ROCK ON! *mostly about the human part* :yep:
kepper
21-11-2004, 07:51 AM
ummm..
I played a NE priest, I had sideburns longer than anyone else and a Mustache that wrapped around my purple head. Sure the glowing eyes were cool, but I chose NE because of the stats, not the "look". Sure, elves are cool, but personally I would choose a dwarf first. I think at retail I will play Undead becuase they make a MUCH better shadow spec priest, and hoard seems to be the place where the more mature players go (the opinion on these boards anyway).
Don't bring the hate , especially if your reasons are lame ***.
ALTHOUGH, I did notice a TON more morons in the general chat in the NE zones during beta, so many young noobs chose NE to be "cool" that you were bombarded with idiots. Had to turn off my general chat just to escape becoming more stupid. It wasn't so bad near stormwind, although Iron Forge had its fair share of idiocy as well.
Pai Mai
21-11-2004, 07:54 AM
The only race that does nothing for me is Humans. I don't hate them, but they don't interest me at all.
Same...most boring race in the game...e v e r.
Also, playing a NE rogue (using two swords) made me feel a lot like I was playing Drizzt...I didn't think of Legolas once.
LordGex
21-11-2004, 08:00 AM
Yea, i hate beign a human...
Id much rather be a dragon or somthing. But, im stuck in the shape im in, so i might as well enjoy it. :-P
Thalassicus
21-11-2004, 08:02 AM
Wheel of time?
*Scratches head*
Ive read the entire series, but i dont see the influence anywhere in WoW.
And as for LotR. I mean, its hard to say WoW is NOT influence by it... but... really, its quite different, the races have similar NAMES but thats about it, oh... and there is some magic too. Whoop-dee-doo, its a LotR clone because its races have similar names and there is some magic.
Not meant to insult you really, but i just keep hearing it over and over. and it gets a little tireing. If you really believe its just a LotR rip off, make a post detailing all the similarities. THAT i havnt seen. most people just whine and never give good reasons. Im sure there are enough similarities that can be dug up to a least make an ATTEMPT at a comparison.
Paladins <=> Whitecloaks anyone? :thumbsup: Religiously fanatic anti-undead zealots that strongly dislike magic and/or mages (holy powers aren't actually Magic, but divine favor).
An obvious LotR influence is orcs. Sure, they changed in WCIII, but before then they were the standard bloodthirsty warriors.
As far as plot goes, the Night Elf backstory draws heavily (and almost entirely) from the Silmarillion (semi-prequal to LotR). Also, the Night Elves are very similar to early elves in the Silmarillion, tough and ferocious in battle. Elves were traditionally the much stronger race than humans, they could easily wipe out orc armies ten times their size. Humans by comparison were fragile, indecisive, and easily swayed.
Warcraft is NOT, though, a "ripoff" of any fantasy story, it just draws strong inspiration from the ones that exist today :thumbsup:
Isoih
21-11-2004, 08:10 AM
I liked being a human pally and kneeling before the child king everytime I walked into the Stormwind Keep. I actually saw many others doing that same thing too. Call me a chivalry geek :P
But I must say that its true that NE players tend to be more newbish. But I've also met some of the best WoW players being NE. Same goes for taurens in the horde, and to a lesser extent gnomes with f***ing pink hair.
Pai Mai
21-11-2004, 08:14 AM
You must understand that LOTR (the books..the things with paper and scibbles<g>) started the entire GENRE of fantasy roleplay.
I didn't know Shakespear or Dante wrote LoTR.
And if you are going to compare the races of WoW with anything, they are more similar to the races in D&D (which yes, was influenced by LoTR, but the races weren't exactly the same).
Thalassicus
21-11-2004, 08:19 AM
fantasy [pen and paper] roleplay (ie D&D), largely leading to MOG's
Sure, people have been able to roleplay fantasies for tens of thousands of years (or only a few thousand, depending on your viewpoint), but I'm sure you can understand his meaning easily enough.
I just like NE cause they're very similar to Silmarillion elves. Too bad NE have this newbie-attraction...well all the more surprise when a good NE kills you :thumbsup:
My second least-favorite race is probably Dwarves, surprisingly enough. I find them boring.
ZookCloak
21-11-2004, 08:21 AM
:hanky:
I love Night Elves! They're the coolest race in the game in my opinion. I love their mysticism, grace, peace, serenity....weeee!
NE Druid all the way!
LordGex
21-11-2004, 08:24 AM
Allright.
Ill admit that the origional warcraft games had some strong influences by LotR. But they have since evolved the races significantly. So that they now barly resemble the LotR races.
And as to the whitecloaks, that kind of biggotry is hardly exclusive to Wheel of Time.
Thalassicus
21-11-2004, 08:32 AM
The only real difference is that Paladins have holy abilities, Whitecloaks don't. Everything else is pretty much the same in WC3 and the novels, with the serving of the Light, distrust of magic, righteousness, militarism, and so on. Maybe they've changed in WOW, I havn't played one to know their current storyline/impression on the world :)
Trolls definitely are a unique aspect of Warcraft. I'm not sure exactly where they drew inspiration for them, if not just stereotypical Jamacian...erm...drug dealers :scratch:
Orcs and Tauren are your standard honorable warriors, with Tauren having a stronger nature affinity.
Night Elves draw from Silmarillion Elves, with magic and druidism added
Undead are an easy replacement for orcs as the resident bad guys (the legion really isn't "resident")
Dwarves... :)
Humans, standard fantasy.
Gnomes, comic relief.
I like a lot of the more recent plotlines though, they're much more unique. Mainly the lich king thread, Arthas, the plague, and Illidan. The Forsaken are also pretty interesting, enslaved bad guys typically don't break away from their master. Sure, they have grabs for power and greed, but they don't just up and leave.
LordGex
21-11-2004, 08:35 AM
Well, they are now controlled by the player, so the player would have to be a bigot for the paladin to be :-)
But even still, thats at MOST a minor influence. even though i still dissagree thats where it came from.
Tetsu
21-11-2004, 08:43 AM
in regards to the first post. I didnt read the rest cause the first one ticked me off enough. Legolas kicked ***, hippies suck, and NE are awesome. Maybe for someone who doesnt know jack about them you could start that post. Read a few of the novels and stfu. Illidan pwns, Malfurion pwns, hell even Xavius pwnd, even tho he wasnt NE for very long. And the race I hate the most? Undead, why? Not because hippies or punks or anything play them, but because Arthas is a bastard and beat up illidan and can die, and I aslo dont like Sylvanas cause she's a whiney lil %@#. But my hate fits into the lore, so at least I hate for real reasons.
Ifrit18
21-11-2004, 08:46 AM
I don't like undead. Must make them decay away :P.
ZookCloak
21-11-2004, 08:56 AM
I don't like undead. Must make them decay away :P.
I really love the NE part of your post, and i agree with it completely, but i like the Undead! I think it's cool that they're 'evil' creatures trying to kill other 'evil' creatures (the plague). Arthas IS an annoying bastard, which i really hate, but i like Sylvanas...you can't exaclty call her whiney for being cursed to eternal undeath... o.o;
Xlorep DarkHelm
21-11-2004, 09:03 AM
If we're gonna get into what influenced the beginnings of Warcraft the most (from the looks of things), I'd say Warhammer comes out on top. The "Human Alliance" is the Empire, the Orcish Horde are the Orcs & Goblins, Ogres are only slightly changed in appearance and made to sound funny, each race basically draws heavily from Games Workshop. Just like how Starcraft drew strongly from Warhammer 40K. sure, Blizzard made some changes - and Warcraft had much more change from it's Warhammer-inspired origins with WC3 and WoW, but it still can be seen somewhat in the world. Warhammer draws heavily from Dungeons and Dragons, D&D draws from Tolkien's works and various ancient Mythos. If you're gonna follow this route - remember that there is no such thing as an original idea in this world.
Berym
21-11-2004, 09:09 AM
Paladins <=> Whitecloaks anyone? :thumbsup: Religiously fanatic anti-undead zealots that strongly dislike magic and/or mages (holy powers aren't actually Magic, but divine favor).
Uh, the Paladin concept - religious fanatics who hate undead and so on - is a concept that WELL pre-dates the WoT series.
Really, the Whitecloaks are a rip off of the Spanish-Inquisition era Catholics... and nothing says Paladins hate magic. They hate CORRUPTION, yes, which is often leading from magic, especially Warlocks.
Hydro
21-11-2004, 09:14 AM
Uh, the Paladin concept - religious fanatics who hate undead and so on - is a concept that WELL pre-dates the WoT series.
Really, the Whitecloaks are a rip off of the Spanish-Inquisition era Catholics... and nothing says Paladins hate magic. They hate CORRUPTION, yes, which is often leading from magic, especially Warlocks.
Except the lead white cloak had not only a witch for a sister, but he could touch the source himself.
Stupid hypocritical bastards...
Ah well, he died.
Oberon
21-11-2004, 09:21 AM
http://img98.exs.cx/img98/5279/aklar.jpg
Elves are dreamy....
ZookCloak
21-11-2004, 09:23 AM
in regards to the first post. I didnt read the rest cause the first one ticked me off enough. Legolas kicked ***, hippies suck, and NE are awesome. Maybe for someone who doesnt know jack about them you could start that post. Read a few of the novels and stfu. Illidan pwns, Malfurion pwns, hell even Xavius pwnd, even tho he wasnt NE for very long. And the race I hate the most? Undead, why? Not because hippies or punks or anything play them, but because Arthas is a bastard and beat up illidan and can die, and I aslo dont like Sylvanas cause she's a whiney lil %@#. But my hate fits into the lore, so at least I hate for real reasons.
I really love the NE part of your post, and i agree with it completely, but i like the Undead! I think it's cool that they're 'evil' creatures trying to kill other 'evil' creatures (the plague). Arthas IS an annoying bastard, which i really hate, but i like Sylvanas...you can't exaclty call her whiney for being cursed to eternal undeath... o.o;
(please ignore the post up there, i quoted the wrong thing and the edit button won't work...and i want to go to bed. good night :o)
Isoih
21-11-2004, 09:41 AM
LOL Oberon
Come on people... NE, Human, Gnome, Orc, Bones, we all loved each other at the end of PvP beta.
http://img121.exs.cx/img121/7199/betaend.jpg
KiawaH
21-11-2004, 09:54 AM
please delete this thread b/c the creator is a complete moron
Tetsu
21-11-2004, 10:00 AM
Except the lead white cloak had not only a witch for a sister, but he could touch the source himself.
Stupid hypocritical bastards...
Ah well, he died.
Actually, if ya read the books, there most certainly is something that says paladins hate magic. In book 1, Day of the Dragon when rohnin and vereesa are found by the silver hand (paladins) they call call rhonin a "damnce soul". They feel anyone who uses magic will burn in hell with the demons. So WC paladins, do indeed hate magic. It is mentioned many times in the lore.
Tetsu
21-11-2004, 10:35 AM
Actually, if ya read the books, there most certainly is something that says paladins hate magic. In book 1, Day of the Dragon when rohnin and vereesa are found by the silver hand (paladins) they call call rhonin a "damnce soul". They feel anyone who uses magic will burn in hell with the demons. So WC paladins, do indeed hate magic. It is mentioned many times in the lore.
since the forums seem to be screwed up and I cannot edit my post. I meant to quote the person who said paladins dont hate magic, they hate corruption. Also damnce = damned
Berym
21-11-2004, 11:18 AM
It's actually a generally shared opinion by alot of the Warcraft world that magic is an easy path to damnation :P
Not ALL Paladins hate magic. My Paladin, for example, HIGHLY distrusts Warlocks and Shamans, but is neutral on Mages and Druids.
Power corrupts, even the power of Paladins and Priests... look at Arthas, after all.
Korlak
21-11-2004, 11:59 AM
Funny how somewhate hateful and dumb threads get this many replies. ^^
As for gnomes, don't underestimate them! They're the engineers and thinkers of the Alliance. It's like saying we don't need Science.
Besides, most of the gnomes I encountered were very friendly, the Night Elves are often the aggressors. :lol:
Cursive
21-11-2004, 01:11 PM
This has gone on the second biggest tangent I have seen in my limited time on these boards. Though it is somewhat relevant to the initial topic, it reminds me of that Frankenthread about.... girls and WoW was it? I just remember it got to the point of spam (which I gleefully participated in) and someone would try to get back on topic, only to be drowned in a sea of random posts. :lol:
Squarebob Spongepants
21-11-2004, 01:23 PM
Frankenthread has risen again. Gather the unwashed villagers and hand out the torches and pitchforks.
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cmsciulli
21-11-2004, 01:35 PM
I think it is absurd to have so much animosity for a race in a computer games as to say you hate it. Sure I can see disliking a race for whatever reasons and choosing not to play it. . . I don't like the humans because, well I am one and they all look so dopey and scared. . . and I can understand having consistently bad experiences with players of a particular race, but if there are morons playing an orc chances are there are also morons playing a gnome.
What I hate are all the idiots who always feel the need to strip their female toons down to their undies and then spam the dance emote, or who request that I strip down my female avatar for their enjoyment. . . come on, grow up! There is plenty of porn on the internet to amuse yourself with.
Isoih, this rant has nothing to do with your pic other than the fact that it reminded me of such in-game experiences. . . but it's not directed at you!
Longshot007
21-11-2004, 01:54 PM
Ok Isoih, sorry, but you're now on /ignore.
Noone realy cares. Except you.
Grond_HellHammer
21-11-2004, 06:08 PM
OK ok, every1 saying ooo dont make this hate thread........ its just for fun, and i havent been around these threads in a while so im going to have me some low brow, Unjustified fun! lol.
first off you gotta hate those humans... with their pink skin and neatly groomed nails.
gnomes.... well ok if you want a crazy little godless race that screws the rest of the world with their bombs and what not.... look to the goblins... not hairy little freaks, i mean come on we have dwarves (hairy little guys) and goblins (crazy grease monkeys) you dont need a mix, i think that gnomes should just go back to tall hats and lawns!
ok ok dwarves... you dont talk bad about dwarves, just dosent happen, sorry.
and nightnelfs....... i like elfs i really do, but i dont like discolored steroid junkies, sorry just dont like it, i mean i love the whole hippie save the world tree thing (that’s me! :thumbsup: ) but i have to be a little shallow here and say no to the night elf.
now for the horde (my fav. side so expect a little bias here :lol: )
the trolls..... bunch of insane, baby eating, voodoo magic users on a drug thats only legal in some parts of Europe, and also id have to say that the ugly stick was broken on island trolls, sorry had to say it.
undead...... come on thrall what the heck! i mean i will play the undead cuz im a Misfits fan and i have to go the whole walking dead path at least once and well.... aside from my peace/love hippie side if given the chance id make a disease that kills ALL OF YOUUU!!! but im not that smart so consider yourselves lucky lol. but still the undead have to smell really really bad.
the tauren, now who doesnt like the nice tall guy? hmmm who among you has ever seen a movie with the really nice, tall, huge, strong guy who is really good?........... Green mile any1? hmm ok now who among you (and no klan members, you dont count) hated him? hmm NONE OF YOU! and by that comparison the taruen are good. but im sure they smell, they are cows for gods sake.
and now the orcs..... the orcs... they are my fav. race in just about all stories, even when they are really evil, i just have a love for those ugly green skinned monsters, but thank you blizz for making them good, cuz they used to be warmongers that had a little drug (demon blood) problem but hey guys, one day at a time guys, one day at a time.
and thats it, i now i got a little off subject with the telling of races i like but who cares, and if you do care....... to bad! HAHAHA I HAVE WASTED 3 MABYE 4 MINS OF YOUR TIME!!! :evil:
Isoih
21-11-2004, 09:02 PM
Bah... i'll just let this thread die...
Oh no! I revived it again! :D
Squarebob Spongepants
21-11-2004, 09:19 PM
Yeah, Frankenthread is hard to kill. When you think he's finally dead and buried it's only a matter of time before he rises again to terrorize the villagers.
I think he has some kind of Evade Mod's Attention talent.
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-Link-
21-11-2004, 09:42 PM
what kind of **** head makes a hate thread about one of the coolest races?
i love night elves, no im not a legolas fandboy and im not the other 10% so why dont you check your facts before you start flaming us elves you racist!
Cursive
21-11-2004, 10:49 PM
come on, grow up! There is plenty of porn on the internet to amuse yourself with.
"First I'd say 'come again.' And then I'd laugh because I said cum."
Anyway, as for porn - yes, there is a lot of it. Too much in fact. However, there are hundreds of thousands of 13-17 year-olds who either are too imcompetent to find good porn or abide the law and choose not to seek it out. So what are they to do? Make fantasy characters strip! Yay!
Seriously, what I just said is not founded on any kind of research or general data. So ignore it. I just felt I needed to add something after my Family Guy quote....
-Link-
22-11-2004, 08:29 AM
family guy is a good show.. to bad july 2005 is when new episodes will launch im getting tired of watching my dvds over and over :cheesy:
Ishana
22-11-2004, 10:19 AM
The NE ears do not bother me its their Eye brows that get on my nerves
Squarebob Spongepants
22-11-2004, 10:22 AM
That's the one good thing about the ears - they draw your attention away from the eyebrows :lol:
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red.13
22-11-2004, 10:59 AM
If somone doesn't like NE its his problem. Id like only to say that however the NE may look a bit stupid they are quite nice ^_^. Ofc I have seen a few players who regarded themselves to be the kings of the world only because of the fact that they were NE.
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