More Euro Beta Keys being sent!

[MortalWombat]

http://en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=20166&p=1#post20166

"We just send out more Beta Keys! Have Fun playing World of Warcraft :)

Gungdil
Community Manager"

Joy to the world, one step closer to a new phase, Final Beta on Friday suddenly seems a little more likely :buddies:

[Yogo]

How does more CB keys mean that EFB will be moving closer?

And yes, they are being sent out. I already made a topic about it.

[SadaraK]

How does more CB keys mean that EFB will be moving closer?

And yes, they are being sent out. I already made a topic about it.

You have got the total wrong end of the stick yogo, actually read the post. Nowhere does it say the key is for closed beta. Infact the posters are all on about the final beta. The post is reffering to Blizzard sebding out more beta keys for the final beta.

[Yogo]

But it could as well mean closed, as either part of the beta *will* be closed. :)

[Squarebob Spongepants]

The keys that are being sent out right now are for the Closed Beta, not the Final Beta. They said in the latest sticky FAQ that more Closed Beta keys would be sent out very soon. That is what's happening now.

[MortalWombat]

Sorry if I didn't see the topic... even searched for it :creep:
The keys are for the CB alright, but I think they will release more keys, partially for testing account creation, servers and so on - preparing for "you know what".
Furthermore I think the term "Final Beta" is quite har to figure out. It could mean "Open Beta" or it could be "Final Closed Beta".
Either way, I take this as a good omen :drool:

[SadaraK]

The keys that are being sent out right now are for the Closed Beta, not the Final Beta. They said in the latest sticky FAQ that more Closed Beta keys would be sent out very soon. That is what's happening now.

Raed the replies, it says nowhere in the post that it's for the closed beta and every single person is treating it as meaning the final beta keys.

[Korlak]

I'd take it as a bad omen. No point sending out CB keys unless the FB won't be starting for another few weeks.

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Omg bad bad baaad sign. No offense to you guys that got in. Gratz :P And welcome onboard. But to me it seems they are just bribing us with CB keys so we wont be so hungry for the FB which probaly is set to 30december.....okay maybe too many dots!
There you have one of the replies. What does it say? That's right, it says CB.

Edit: Removed a sh!tload of annoying periods from the quote.

[SadaraK]

OK, this is wierd, although all the people who replied to that thread seem to thinks its an open beta key, this thread:

http://en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=20155&s=new#new

Also states that another wave of closed beta's have been sent out...maybe the closed beta key's weren't announced and them posting that more open beta keys have been sent out was a co-incidence....

Anyway, it seems that, although the origonal link didn't prove more closed betas have gone out, that one does...

[Tengu]

The keys that are being sent out right now are for the Closed Beta, not the Final Beta. They said in the latest sticky FAQ that more Closed Beta keys would be sent out very soon. That is what's happening now.

Any news is good news :p

One would think that they would sent out the keys, keep it closed until the new receivers have dl'ed the beta and all, and then open it.. Or should I say, one would dream.. :yawn:

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Furthermore, there is this post (http://en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=19432&p=1#post19432) which indicates with some certainty that the EFB won't start for another couple of weeks.

[Wompo]

I'd take it as a bad omen. No point sending out CB keys unless the FB won't be starting for another few weeks.I think so too. :rolleyes: But they did say earlier that they would be sending more closed beta keys soon, so it's good that they sent them now rather than later. So actually it's a good omen? :scratch: I'm confused. :lol:

Nothing on my e-mail box as of yet, and probably it will stay that way (apart from the spam mails). :rolleyes:

[Tengu]

I think so too. :rolleyes: But they did say earlier that they would be sending more closed beta keys soon, so it's good that they sent them now rather than later. So actually it's a good omen? :scratch: I'm confused. :lol:

Nothing on my e-mail box as of yet, and probably it will stay that way (apart from the spam mails). :rolleyes:

At least we know what they are doing.

[Gaahl]

ahhh. I wouldnt really care too much about when the FB starts if it wasnt for the fact that I just finished my exams and that I have TOO much time on my hands=) And the other thing, Ill be going home for christmas (around 17th i guess) and will be home till around 2nd of january and I dont have internet there! So what this means then, if the FB starts around 15th, is that I get 2 days of play and maybe a few in the new year. That just makes me sad to the bone. Do i really have to just sit here and do nothing for 14 more days??=)

[SnakeZ]

Personaly I think this is a slap in the face. Sending out closed beta keys when there are people with pre-order kits who have actualy invested money to play in the beta :( ok.. ok pre-order kits will be subtracted from the retail price, but still a part is allready payed. The worst is to be totaly in the dark "december" does not sound good at all now.

[Gaahl]

I know. I bought my pre-order kit last thursday and I was thinking "december huh? well, if they start selling the damn things now it cant be THAT far off, maybe like december 1-5th or something". Well, I dont know yet, it might still be december 5th but I doubt it. Why the hell would they even start selling FB keys if the FB was one month away?! And if so, why dont they just tell uss that FB is in mid december so we dont just sit her and stroke our p***s...?=)

[KNAzZ]

I can't belive this!

first of all they start selling Preorder beta kits, so we all run down and buy one, thinking "YES now I can play the game soon"

then they don't give us ANY info on when they are going to open the FINAL BETA! so we spend every awaken hour updating the site to see if there should be any changes.

and to top it all off they suddently decides to send out a bunch of FREE NON BINDING keys to random people who where lucky enough to know about the signup 6 MONTHS ago!!! while the people who "payed" money to just can sit an feel stupid!!

whats next? the final release in EU get's pushed back to summer 2005?

I know I sound a little bitter! but I am and it's mostly because of the complete lack of information!!!

[Gaahl]

agreed, if they could just TELL me that is starts at the 15th or something Ill be happy. Then I can go to England or something.... =)

[SpanGi]

I love this!


Congratulations!

You've been selected as one of the elite heroes who will be the first to explore the World of Warcraft in Europe. A world of myth, magic and legendary adventure is only a few clicks away. Follow the link below to create your free Beta account!


:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Gaahl]

lucky bastard :evil:

Well, i did get to play the US OB for about 10 days, so im not the most unfortunate...

[krebbe]

With recent actions from Blizzard we can count on the worst scanario possible... Final beta 31 december and Retail at 31 march... With the information we have this is probably the thing to bet on...

[VeRTeX]

if any doesn't use his new or old beta key, could I have it. I'm in desperate need for 1 :(

[Yogo]

I love this!


:rant: :grrr:

[Wompo]

With recent actions from Blizzard we can count on the worst scanario possible... Final beta 31 december and Retail at 31 march... With the information we have this is probably the thing to bet on...That would give the pre-orderers three months of free playing time, I doubt Blizzard would do that. They have to make money you know. :D

[SpanGi]

:rant: :grrr:
Hehe.. ;) Be assured that I would feel the same if I were in your situation.

(But I'm not!! MWAHHAHAhaHA.. ok, I'll stop now.. :lol: )

[Tengu]

Hehe.. ;) Be assured that I would feel the same if I were in your situation.

(But I'm not!! MWAHHAHAhaHA.. ok, I'll stop now.. :lol: )

Make sure you do... :grrr:

*sharpens butchering knife*

[Paladia]

A moronic move by Blizzard. When the Europeans who have payed for the final beta are waiting to participate, they instead let random people play. I'm beginning to wonder if they are taunting their players on purpose, or if this slap in their face is just accidental, none the less, it is moronic.

[Dwalin]

Span can you post the link for the account creation Auth key thingy...i got a key from my friend ages ago and then he sold it so i wanna see if auth key works but cant remember address...thanks :thumbsup:

[Werlii]

There is in no way this can be an accident :), i just don´t see it.
Maybe they want to give us a good old heartattack

[VanarkFitz]

Congrats blizz ... sending out close beta keys to ppl from countries that already have a chance for the beta kit.
Yeap, lets see more close beta accounts on sale on ebay

[Ged666]

Blizzard continues their stupid release policy. I really don't get it.

-Final in one country.
-Then send out final betakeys in other countries for a price.
-Then send out more early closed beta keys.

The timeline must reversed in Blizzard somehow. Or maybe someone thought is was April 1st and not December 1st. The only positive thing is that I don't live in the Benelux - you guys must seriously think of buying EQ2 by now.

[Anders41]

Blizzard continues their stupid release policy. I really don't get it.

-Final in one country.
-Then send out final betakeys in other countries for a price.
-Then send out more early closed beta keys.

The timeline must reversed in Blizzard somehow. Or maybe someone thought is was April 1st and not December 1st. The only positive thing is that I don't live in the Benelux - you guys must seriously think of buying EQ2 by now.

Im from sweden and i wont buy that ****ing no customer support **** they trying to pawn off over in EU.

And why should i? they dont seem to care about it either. The nubnuts prolly going to get my money anyway , but no way ill even touch that plauge ridden peice of crap the EU wow seems to turn out to be.

Getting shadowbane/DAOC flashbacks here already

[PhiliosPhreak]

I read the post about further CB Keys being sent, with great disbelief, turning to great anger and resentment.

What the **** are they thinking. I purchased their damn Pre-order Kit. I actually payed to participate in the beta test. They gladly take my money, then turn around and piss me up and down the back.

This is, hands down, the worst, most moronic and by far, the most idiotic thing Blizzard have done so far. If this is the result of a blunder on Blizzard's part, I'd be very worried about my job, were I resposible. If its deliberate, its sickening. It a slap in the face of every person who have payed for the Pre-order kit, to participate.

I can only say this: Blizzard, I'd never imagined you'd sink this low. You disgust me. I actually feel physicaly disgusted by your existance

[Fishstick]

What part of pre-order do you people not get? You did not pay for a beta key. You paid for the whole game, which INCLUDES a pre-order kit, that comes with the beta key. You did not buy the beta key on its own. You bought the complete game, with an additional 'present' of a final beta key. This pre-order kit's package clearly states that it grants you access to the final beta - and here's the clue - when it begins.

It does not say "Grants you access to final beta now!" nor does it say "Will grant you access to beta on <made-up date in december>." When it begins, you can play final beta.

Did you receive a closed beta key and have a 'wasted' pre-order kit? So what, you still have the soundtrack and the full game to look forward to - You did not waste your money, as you still have a guaranteed copy of the full game - which is a good thing to look forward to in any case. Ebay the EFB key if you have to feel you got your money's worth.

Just fyi, I live in Benelux. I did not even get the opportunity to pre-order a version that comes with a beta kit. Do I care that more CB keys are being sent out? No, why should I? It's not due for release until mid Jan anyway.

[SpanGi]

Span can you post the link for the account creation Auth key thingy...i got a key from my friend ages ago and then he sold it so i wanna see if auth key works but cant remember address...thanks :thumbsup:
http://beta.wow-europe.com - that should take you there :)

Make sure you do... :grrr:

*sharpens butchering knife*
Hehe.. don't worry! :uhhuh:

[Ged666]

According to this post http://en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-tech-support-en&t=1147&p=1#post1147 the account creation for playing on the closed EU server has been down for about 3 weeks - maybe they have just fixed that and whant to test it before allowing 300.000+ final beta testers to logon? If that's the case, I don't think releasing the keys are that big a deal. But if it is then just tell us - no info is worse than bad info!

[Yogo]

What part of pre-order do you people not get? You did not pay for a beta key. You paid for the whole game, which INCLUDES a pre-order kit, that comes with the beta key. You did not buy the beta key on its own. You bought the complete game, with an additional 'present' of a final beta key. This pre-order kit's package clearly states that it grants you access to the final beta - and here's the clue - when it begins.

It does not say "Grants you access to final beta now!" nor does it say "Will grant you access to beta on <made-up date in december>." When it begins, you can play final beta.

Did you receive a closed beta key and have a 'wasted' pre-order kit? So what, you still have the soundtrack and the full game to look forward to - You did not waste your money, as you still have a guaranteed copy of the full game - which is a good thing to look forward to in any case. Ebay the EFB key if you have to feel you got your money's worth.

Just fyi, I live in Benelux. I did not even get the opportunity to pre-order a version that comes with a beta kit. Do I care that more CB keys are being sent out? No, why should I? It's not due for release until mid Jan anyway.

People (I) are mad because they only pre-ordered to satisfy their "WoW-thirst". Otherwise, they wouldn't have pre-ordered the game.

[Gaahl]

I think it is kind of funny to read how all (almost all) the people already playing CB in europe keeps throwing the "its a pre-order, you didnt PAY for the FB" in our faces. I would never have pre-ordered 2months before the release if not for the FB key, you get this dont you? And im POSITIVE that thats what 80% of the other pre-orders thought too. And Im also positive that 90% of the ppl already IN CB didnt pre-order, so that argument is just stupid. We DID pay for this, and we DID expect it to begin as soon as possible (and seeing they started taking pre-orders the 27th(!!!) in the begining of december is not such a bad bet). And now they went and did this, and with a few blue smilies on the EU forums he wished everyone happy playing. And dont get me wrong, im happy for the ppl who now get to play CB, but COMMON blizzard!!! A little more info and maybe a tad more respect! You read the forums, throw us a damn bone will you!?

[SpanGi]

I think it is kind of funny to read how all (almost all) the people already playing CB in europe keeps throwing the "its a pre-order, you didnt PAY for the FB" in our faces. I would never have pre-ordered 2months before the release if not for the FB key, you get this dont you? And im POSITIVE that thats what 80% of the other pre-orders thought too. And Im also positive that 90% of the ppl already IN CB didnt pre-order, so that argument is just stupid. We DID pay for this, and we DID expect it to begin as soon as possible (and seeing they started taking pre-orders the 27th(!!!) in the begining of december is not such a bad bet). And now they went and did this, and with a few blue smilies on the EU forums he wished everyone happy playing. And dont get me wrong, im happy for the ppl who now get to play CB, but COMMON blizzard!!! A little more info and maybe a tad more respect! You read the forums, throw us a damn bone will you!?
If I new how short every shore would be on the CE, I would have preordered eventhough there was no Beta-Kit. Good thing I did :) Strangely I now have a Closed and a Final key (no, I won't give it away). How ironic. :uhhuh:

[Dwalin]

when i enter the key nothing happens, this cause the accounts in use (by some sad act who paid £185 for it) or because the login site is messing up?

Thanks for site btw :)

[Gaahl]

If I new how short every shore would be on the CE, I would have preordered eventhough there was no Beta-Kit. Good thing I did :) Strangely I now have a Closed and a Final key (no, I won't give it away). How ironic. :uhhuh:

Dont get me wrong, im happy for every last one of those getting to play CB, I just want some blue posts in the EU forum.

[SpanGi]

when i enter the key nothing happens, this cause the accounts in use (by some sad act who paid £185 for it) or because the login site is messing up?

Thanks for site btw :)
NP, But it worked first try with my Closed Key, but my Final Beta Key just reloads the page, like nothing happened (besides the verification-thing changing). You sure it's a Closed key?
Dont get me wrong, im happy for every last one of those getting to play CB, I just want some blue posts in the EU forum.
Yeah, that's pissing me a bit off too. Would like a bit of info too...

[Fishstick]

People (I) are mad because they only pre-ordered to satisfy their "WoW-thirst". Otherwise, they wouldn't have pre-ordered the game.
Then I'd have to say they had the wrong expectations. In that case, they should be glad to even get the opportunity to get an EFB - which is valid either way, whether CB keys are being sent out or not - and be happy that they already HAVE their guaranteed spot in the beta when it arrives.

I think it is kind of funny to read how all (almost all) the people already playing CB in europe keeps throwing the "its a pre-order, you didnt PAY for the FB" in our faces. I would never have pre-ordered 2months before the release if not for the FB key, you get this dont you? And im POSITIVE that thats what 80% of the other pre-orders thought too. And Im also positive that 90% of the ppl already IN CB didnt pre-order, so that argument is just stupid.

I'm not in CB. I pre-ordered, even though there is no chance for me to get a beta kit, simply because I like the fact that i'm guaranteed a copy on release. The argument about CB depends on the location of the CBer. BENELUX CB'ers that intend to buy will have most likely pre-ordered. Others might have as well, and intend to sell the key that comes with the kit - if they get a kit - on ebay. No harm.

We DID pay for this, and we DID expect it to begin as soon as possible (and seeing they started taking pre-orders the 27th(!!!) in the begining of december is not such a bad bet).
See the problem word? "expect". You expected it to begin as soon as possible. Expecting something does not make it happen. Expecting a release date and going forth on rumours does not a fixed release date make, neither does it make for an EFB start date. December (i don't know where everyone gets the dember month from either, though) is still 30 days long. Fact remains, you paid for the entire game, and got a free beta kit. If you only pre-ordered for the beta kit, you are no better or worse than the people that buy CB or FB keys on ebay.

Seriously, you people whining about "when is is EFB starting?" are being silly. If you pre-order a game and receive a voucher that guarantees a copy on release - when the release date is not yet set in stone - whose fault is it that there is a lot of time between your received voucher and the game's release?

[SadaraK]

when i enter the key nothing happens, this cause the accounts in use (by some sad act who paid £185 for it) or because the login site is messing up?

Thanks for site btw :)

So not only did your mate sell the key for a stupidly high price but now you are trying to cheat the buyer by hijacking his account?

[Gaahl]

I know that Im basing my expectations on rumour, and that its a dodgy thing to do, but I have nothing else to look at. And its not like im sitting here with tears in my eyes cause I cant play FB right away. The main thing that is bugging me is Blizzard EU's TOTAL lack of forum participation. Or wait, when I look at the German forum I see blue text all over the place, but not in the english one.

As for the pre-order kits. Yes, I know that a lot of people pre-ordered so they could get the CE and that some did to be guaranteed a copy on the day of launch, but do you really think most people didnt pre-order because of the EU FB?

And as for me being just like a person buying keys on eBay; sure I am. Would have paid some $10 right now for a few extra days of WoW. But im not going to pay $20-30 + for it, im not that desperate. I think maybe id pay $30 for 1 more blue post on the forum every day though.. :cheesy:

[Fishstick]

I know that Im basing my expectations on rumour, and that its a dodgy thing to do, but I have nothing else to look at. And its not like im sitting here with tears in my eyes cause I cant play FB right away. The main thing that is bugging me is Blizzard EU's TOTAL lack of forum participation. Or wait, when I look at the German forum I see blue text all over the place, but not in the english one.

As for the pre-order kits. Yes, I know that a lot of people pre-ordered so they could get the CE and that some did to be guaranteed a copy on the day of launch, but do you really think most people didnt pre-order because of the EU FB?

And as for me being just like a person buying keys on eBay; sure I am. Would have paid some $10 right now for a few extra days of WoW. But im not going to pay $20-30 + for it, im not that desperate. I think maybe id pay $30 for 1 more blue post on the forum every day though.. :cheesy:


I know what you mean, and I'm glad you see i'm not trying to make fun of you or refute your decisions.
As far as I know though, on the blue post issue, that they still lack an english speaking EU representative.

[Gaahl]

I know what you mean, and I'm glad you see i'm not trying to make fun of you or refute your decisions.
As far as I know though, on the blue post issue, that they still lack an english speaking EU representative.

Well, lets hope they get one soon :hanky:

And on a sidenote, i ate fishsticks some 15 mins ago, hows that for a coincident??! :surprise:

[SpanGi]

Well, lets hope they get one soon :hanky:

And on a sidenote, i ate fishsticks some 15 mins ago, hows that for a coincident??! :surprise:
You are hereby destined to become Artisan Fisherman :uhhuh:
Anyway, yeah.. Hope that too (just had to write something serious.. ahem)

[Singu]

Seriously, you people whining about "when is is EFB starting?" are being silly. If you pre-order a game and receive a voucher that guarantees a copy on release - when the release date is not yet set in stone - whose fault is it that there is a lot of time between your received voucher and the game's release?

Blizzards? Or santa claus's?

I signed up for empty promises, and I had to get up at 9 in the morning after working late the other day to get it. This is one slap in the face among many more in the past. Good for you that you don't feel that way though Fishstick.

I'm gonna chuck this soundtrack CD into the ocean, and start thinking about christmas. Good food, joy and meeting up with my family which I havent seen in many months. How ridicolous to care this much for a game. I guess the US OB got me - hook, line and sinker. Well, good news Blizzard - I'm past the shakes and detox. Have a nice december everyone.

[SadaraK]

Blizzards? Or santa claus's?

I signed up for empty promises, and I had to get up at 9 in the morning after working late the other day to get it. This is one slap in the face among many more in the past. Good for you that you don't feel that way though Fishstick.

I'm gonna chuck this soundtrack CD into the ocean, and start thinking about christmas. Good food, joy and meeting up with my family which I havent seen in many months. How ridicolous to care this much for a game. I guess the US OB got me - hook, line and sinker. Well, good news Blizzard - I'm past the shakes and detox. Have a nice december everyone.

One less queue space.

I really don't know why it upsets people SO MUCH. People really do sound like 4 year olds when they start going on about blizzard not releasing the open beta yet:

Waaa, I wanna the beta NOW!


I mean, come ON.


But seriously, it will be out this month, they said it will be out this month, exactly why are people hating blizzard? Even the pesimistic people are predicting about mid december, which makes sense.

[_Nickel_]

I don't want to complain about the EU Beta not starting yet, but what I think people have a right to complain about is Blizzard getting peoples hopes up for an early December Final Beta start and then disappointing people by starting it later.
It was the same thing with the first wave of EU closed beta keys - Blizzard said in late August/early September that the Beta would start in September and then it starts on September the 30th. I mean they must have known up front that the Beta wouldn't start before the 20th September - but they didn't tell us!
I am pretty sure that Blizzard has a good idea when the Fianl Beta will start, but they are not telling is. I wouldn't blame them if the final Beta would just start a week before the release - as long as they told us, and not kept us guessing.

[mekon]

The thing i find worrying about all this is that if they are giving out CB keys ... that means they expect those people to have time to evaluate the game. Which means that it doesn't look good for FB starting before late december.

My previous estimate of 22nd is looking pretty accurate tho lol :)

//mek

[SadaraK]

I don't want to complain about the EU Beta not starting yet, but what I think people have a right to complain about is Blizzard getting peoples hopes up for an early December Final Beta start and then disappointing people by starting it later.
It was the same thing with the first wave of EU closed beta keys - Blizzard said in late August/early September that the Beta would start in September and then it starts on September the 30th. I mean they must have known up front that the Beta wouldn't start before the 20th September - but they didn't tell us!
I am pretty sure that Blizzard has a good idea when the Fianl Beta will start, but they are not telling is. I wouldn't blame them if the final Beta would just start a week before the release - as long as they told us, and not kept us guessing.

I may be wrong, but I was under the distinct impression that Blizzard never said a word about when in december it would be released, ever.

[_Nickel_]

I may be wrong, but I was under the distinct impression that Blizzard never said a word about when in december it would be released, ever.

That's the whole point of what I am saying! They know when in December but they are not telling us!
They could at least tell us like "It won't start before the 10th" or something. They know that many retailers said the Beta is going to start 1-2 weeks after the Pre-Order but they just aren't saying anything despite being able to. That is what pisses me of!

[SadaraK]

That's the whole point of what I am saying! They know when in December but they are not telling us!
They could at least tell us like "It won't start before the 10th" or something. They know that many retailers said the Beta is going to start 1-2 weeks after the Pre-Order but they just aren't saying anything despite being able to. That is what pisses me of!

But they never asked us to make wild guesses wbout when it's going to be out. AT the end of the day I would be very surprised if the Final Beta just suddenly started with no warning at all. So at the least there will be a few days warning when its comming. People know this is the most likley outcome but it doesn't stop them trying to convince themselves there could be an early release, then, when there isn't, somehow its blizzards fault!

[Gaahl]

I dont hate Blizzard and I think (hope) noone else here does. They have created a monster of a game which I had the pleasure to play for 10 days in the US OB (well, if i hadnt i wouldnt have had abstinences now, so maybe in retrospect the pleasure turned to pain).

But I have to tell, all the talk about release of the FB in early December is not just something we crazy pre-order lunatics just make up on our own. I was told when I bought that it would start the 1st, and Ive spoken with many people who heard the same thing when they bought the pre-order.

NOW, I know that the retailers aint official sources for Blizzard gossip, but when the guys at blizzard sees all this fuzz (and we all know they DO see it) about the FB they ought to say something. I mean, if not for us then at least for themselves. This is no good PR.

And once again I want to point out that I am EXTREMELY happy for the ppl who got their keys today, specially those from BENELUX since they had no chanse of pre-ordering. And this strikes me as kind of "odd" too, it seems like there are mostly ppl from BENELUX who got keys today. So maybe this is some sort of a nice gift from Blizzard because of all the complaints about not being able to pre-order.

(And before you start nagging me for saying that this is just some sort of "make everything good" package for the BENELUX ppl, thats not what I ment. And i know Blizz already had stated that new keys would be distibuted on the 24th of November).

:buddies:

[SadaraK]

I dont hate Blizzard and I think (hope) noone else here does. They have created a monster of a game which I had the pleasure to play for 10 days in the US OB (well, if i hadnt i wouldnt have had abstinences now, so maybe in retrospect the pleasure turned to pain).

But I have to tell, all the talk about release of the FB in early December is not just something we crazy pre-order lunatics just make up on our own. I was told when I bought that it would start the 1st, and Ive spoken with many people who heard the same thing when they bought the pre-order.

NOW, I know that the retailers aint official sources for Blizzard gossip, but when the guys at blizzard sees all this fuzz (and we all know they DO see it) about the FB they ought to say something. I mean, if not for us then at least for themselves. This is no good PR.

And once again I want to point out that I am EXTREMELY happy for the ppl who got their keys today, specially those from BENELUX since they had no chanse of pre-ordering. And this strikes me as kind of "odd" too, it seems like there are mostly ppl from BENELUX who got keys today. So maybe this is some sort of a nice gift from Blizzard because of all the complaints about not being able to pre-order.

(And before you start nagging me for saying that this is just some sort of "make everything good" package for the BENELUX ppl, thats not what I ment. And i know Blizz already had stated that new keys would be distibuted on the 24th of November).

:buddies:

I will paste a post I made in another thread with my views on this:


Having said everything I did in my first post I do actually think it would be benificiial to everyone (including blizzard) for them to release a simple statement saying something like:

"Its out after the 15th but before the end of the month."

This would at least calm some people till the 15th, but, that said, it would also inspire people to think it was being released ON the 15th, which would cause yet another uproar if it wasn't.

I think Blizzard probably see's lack of release information till just before hand as more of a damage handeling tactic, it's just the way of doing things that's the least likley to make them loads of enemies. So I guess I changed my opinion during this post :)

[pikkumyy]

I may be wrong, but I was under the distinct impression that Blizzard never said a word about when in december it would be released, ever.

Yeah you're correct. What they did say was "FB is scheduled to start in December". Scheduled meaning "probably". So don't get your hopes up, now that CB keys are thrown out again, the FB *maybe* starts in early January? Or late February?

I hope retail comes out before summer vacation. Anyway, this sort of action just makes ppl order US version of the game.

Blizzard has had months to get their hardware ready but they haven't. Obviously they don't care worth a damn about European customers.

[Singu]

One less queue space.

I really don't know why it upsets people SO MUCH. People really do sound like 4 year olds when they start going on about blizzard not releasing the open beta yet:

Waaa, I wanna the beta NOW!


I mean, come ON.


But seriously, it will be out this month, they said it will be out this month, exactly why are people hating blizzard? Even the pesimistic people are predicting about mid december, which makes sense.

Like I told Fishstick, I'm really glad you're feeling happy. Honestly.

Have I on any point said that I hated Blizzard? I'm dissapointed, angry and a lot of the latest policy from Blizzard has gone down the wrong way with me personally. But I don't hate them. I have played enough Blizzard games that I could probably fit a major degree into my gametime since I started playing Warcraft2 8 years ago.

Allthough you're not affected doesn't mean others are. Here is a rough list of my gripes with Blizzard/VU games the last month or so.

1. Localised servers. I planned on buying the US version to play there. I was highly dissapointed in their less than convinving arguments to why this had to be done. Localised support is laughable seeing the huge market of the nordic countries being left out of it.

2. Delayed Eu-english release. I'm not a natural english speaker, but I will never play a game dubbed to french or german. As far as I see it the english version was finished once US retail went up. In other words we're waiting for the other versions to be finalized.

3. The Final Beta trick. Nice of Blizzard to ensure our place in the 'Final Beta', or should I say Open Beta. Just add the fact that all participants have to shelf out money to enter it compared to the US OB, and you have the same setup. I don't know when it starts, neither do you or anyone else but the suits in Paris. How long did it take US crew to install and open addtiotional servers after they got swamped at retail? Not long.

4. No EU-english community manager. When I go to the EU-english site all I get is a very few posts by the german community manager. I'm not interested in why this took to long. But it sure must suck for all the people who belong to the EU-english group.

5. General lack of information across the board. No info at all worth noticing for us who're still waiting for the game. All we've gotten was a short reply to a faq on the day the final beta kit was made awailable.

4. I bought a Pre-Order Box, when will I be able to play?

You will be able to play when the European Final Beta begins. This is currently scheduled for December.

At the same faq we got another hint that this may take a bit f time.

2. Will there be more keys sent out? If yes, when?

Yes, very soon.

So there we have it, a tentative launch date for 'Final Beta' is 'Desember', and new keys being sent out after I payed for mine. It might be irrational of me to get upset over all theese things, you may never understand it either. And I might sound like a 'whiny 4 year old' to you. How do I feel? Like an unsatisfied customer and fan.

I don't hate Blizzard, but I hate decicions that's not based or explained witin the realm of rational thought. Now, if Blizzard could lift their big and heavy lid on public information and try and explain it to me - fine. But they haven't done it. Untill that time I'm entitled to be angry. Your attempt of splashing pink painting to the picture is unfortunately not very efficient.

[Da DM]

Received a mail from game.net. A lot of ppl probably did. "The beta key will be sent ASAP". Well, seems it's in the works.

[SiGiN]

Received a mail from game.net. A lot of ppl probably did. "The beta key will be sent ASAP". Well, seems it's in the works.

which "beta key" they are refering to?

[Dwalin]

So not only did your mate sell the key for a stupidly high price but now you are trying to cheat the buyer by hijacking his account?

Not really i was going to try and make a new account, but that isnt going to work so im not going to do anything about it, except sit back and leave my WoW pre order box in the hands of the royal mail....im screwed

[Tengu]

That's the whole point of what I am saying! They know when in December but they are not telling us!
They could at least tell us like "It won't start before the 10th" or something. They know that many retailers said the Beta is going to start 1-2 weeks after the Pre-Order but they just aren't saying anything despite being able to. That is what pisses me of!

Consider this possibility; Maybe they don't know which day they are going to put it out. Things are quite likely pretty heated up at blizz, what with them trying their best to make the servers work and correct all glitches and minor mistakes they find over in the states.


Blizz is not intentionally "holding out" on the europeans.. Maybe they did give us all the info they could, and are feverishly working so that they could fulfill their promises to us the best they can.

You all do realize that they are going to let you play their brand new, friggin awesome game before people can even buy it, don't you? So cut them some slack. They could just as well have said "there won't be any eu beta, the game will be released in january". It's their game, after all.

[Anders41]

You all do realize that they are going to let you play their brand new, friggin awesome game before people can even buy it, don't you? So cut them some slack. They could just as well have said "there won't be any eu beta, the game will be released in january". It's their game, after all.

And your their little fanboi?
It might be a nice game and all. but since im a PAYING customer, yea thats right , im paying for my preorder.
I dont really care if they release it the 31st dec since they may very well do so. But thats a loophole, they said they would speed up the euro final beta so ppl wouyldnt have to get the us version, and now when they got their preorders in they just **** ALL THEIR EURO CUSTOMERS OVER!!!

I dunno about you, but seems the french blizzard team is shoting the euro release down in flames.

[Tengu]

And your their little fanboi?
It might be a nice game and all. but since im a PAYING customer, yea thats right , im paying for my preorder.
I dont really care if they release it the 31st dec since they may very well do so. But thats a loophole, they said they would speed up the euro final beta so ppl wouyldnt have to get the us version, and now when they got their preorders in they just **** ALL THEIR EURO CUSTOMERS OVER!!!

I dunno about you, but seems the french blizzard team is shoting the euro release down in flames.

Ah, constructive criticism... oh wait, no it isn't.

You decided to pay for the pre-order while there was no info about the start of the beta, that's your decision. I made the exact same decision myself, but I was both aware and mentally prepared for the possibility of delays. Were you?

Consider this; Let's say that they were originally planning to release the game on, say, 15.1. Now let's think, how long was the USFB? One week? So maybe they were thinking of giving us europeans the exact same amount of FB time. That'd mean the final beta would start in January, not in December. But, upon hearing of how desperately we europeans want to play the game, the folks at blizz decided to speed things up and give us the beta as soon as possible, and decided they'd try to aim the start to December.

Now, since they have changed their plans and are doing their best to both work out the first weeks of the US retail and bring forth the EU beta, they deserve some gratitude for trying. I for one don't think blizz has ever been intent on screwing up their customers.. But you are entitled to your own opinion. You can hate them if you want to.

Oh, and yes, I am a blizz fanboi. Loved all of their games. They are more true to their fans than any other game company I know. Just chill out, the beta will be here eventually.

[Jonny]

I think as well you need to ask the question as to why they start taking pre-orders. My suspicion is that Vivendi have a financial year that runs from January to December, therefore when you are coming up to year end and are looking to boost your revenue for the year because you are going to miss your target potentially (aka plumetting share price), or make things look a little better than predicted then why not put out one of your potentially biggest sellers a little early in order to plump things up a little, chuck in a little carrot to the consumer with vague promises of a beta key, and whoopee nice fat executive bonuses all round. (The open beta will be rubbish anyway, the US one certainly was (lag, lag, lag), I tried it for a couple of days and decided to wait for retail in EU when at least I have a right to complain if it isn't working well as I am paying for it) :idea:

[Anders41]

And thats a complete and utterly idiotic idea, since all euros will be over at the US servers playing by then.

but on the positive side, we all might get the "tool of the month" award for buying the preorder ****.......

[zingfharn]

I think you're all forgetting that they might just be doing pre-order to get some idea of the demand they're going to have for servers, so they don't see a repeat of the US launch. At least, that's what I hope.

Given how quickly the shops sold out of their pre-order copies, I think they realise this is going to be huge in Europe, too, and will hopefully provision enough servers to deal with launch demand, unlike the states. Think of the states as their 'staging' environment, and Europe as the important 'live' system, take some deep breaths, and relax.

Obviously, if we have an horrific launch over here, you're very welcome to shoot me down. Until then, calm down, relax, and stop freaking out. Blizzard owe you nothing. With the gamecards available, you're free to pick up the US version, play to your heart's content, and leave us to wait patiently for a good game. Are your lives really so void that 90 days wait for the retail will kill you? Why not spend the time learning a new skill, or reading a book you've always wanted to read, or learning to play a musical instrument.

I guarantee that if you bought a violin tomorrow, and put in as much energy into playing that as you do fretting about your precious beta and how badly you've been ripped off, you'll be playing a mean fiddle by the time it launches.

[herekleitos]

Blizzard is using the pre-order as a tactic to prevent the pressure of overseas-migration to build up.

Even if they suspected that they would not be able to have the FB before, say, 15th dec, they wouldn't have told us because that would have caused less people to buy the pre-order and instead start looking for ways to play on US servers.

When they have good things to tell their customers, they tell them. When they have bad news, they just shut up about it and take advantage of the fact that many customers will always cling to hopes of good things.

So it's no secret that Blizzard used the hopes for a beta close to pre-order date and did nothing to gainsay these rumors. Why not? Because they knew remaining silent would net more fish in the pre-order net.

In Sweden we have names for that, it's called Deceptive Market Practices and Customer Loyalty Abuse. A decent company should be up front about the bad news too.

[krebbe]

Yeah... and I know atleast this is why I am upset... didnt know Blizzard would sink so low...

[Da DM]

which "beta key" they are refering to?

Perhaps (gasp) the WoW beta key? :uhhuh:

Seriously: the one that you get by ordering it with a preorder of the game.

[zingfharn]

All they ever said was 'beta sceduled for december'. They never promised anything more than that. That's not deceptive. Secretive, maybe, but that's ok. They're allowed to be. What's deceptive is the Danish retailers trying to drum up sales by circulating unsubstantiated rumours, and those who listened to them reporting it, and this site for taking it all seriously.
Until Blizzard actually announce the FB date, which I have no doubt they will, and it will happen this month, how can you possibly accuse them of being deceptive? They made absolutely no promise about when, so if you pre-ordered on the assumption that you'd be playing by now, well, more fool you.

[Viri]

So ..... i didnt get in ... again ... :(
Maybe there is a soul that has 2 keys (i.e. preorder + from blizz) and is willing to share 1 of the keys for the slowly ending beta ?
If so pls send some response to rtblade@poczta.fm

[SadaraK]

Like I told Fishstick, I'm really glad you're feeling happy. Honestly.

Have I on any point said that I hated Blizzard? I'm dissapointed, angry and a lot of the latest policy from Blizzard has gone down the wrong way with me personally. But I don't hate them. I have played enough Blizzard games that I could probably fit a major degree into my gametime since I started playing Warcraft2 8 years ago.

Allthough you're not affected doesn't mean others are. Here is a rough list of my gripes with Blizzard/VU games the last month or so.

1. Localised servers. I planned on buying the US version to play there. I was highly dissapointed in their less than convinving arguments to why this had to be done. Localised support is laughable seeing the huge market of the nordic countries being left out of it.

2. Delayed Eu-english release. I'm not a natural english speaker, but I will never play a game dubbed to french or german. As far as I see it the english version was finished once US retail went up. In other words we're waiting for the other versions to be finalized.

3. The Final Beta trick. Nice of Blizzard to ensure our place in the 'Final Beta', or should I say Open Beta. Just add the fact that all participants have to shelf out money to enter it compared to the US OB, and you have the same setup. I don't know when it starts, neither do you or anyone else but the suits in Paris. How long did it take US crew to install and open addtiotional servers after they got swamped at retail? Not long.

4. No EU-english community manager. When I go to the EU-english site all I get is a very few posts by the german community manager. I'm not interested in why this took to long. But it sure must suck for all the people who belong to the EU-english group.

5. General lack of information across the board. No info at all worth noticing for us who're still waiting for the game. All we've gotten was a short reply to a faq on the day the final beta kit was made awailable.



At the same faq we got another hint that this may take a bit f time.



So there we have it, a tentative launch date for 'Final Beta' is 'Desember', and new keys being sent out after I payed for mine. It might be irrational of me to get upset over all theese things, you may never understand it either. And I might sound like a 'whiny 4 year old' to you. How do I feel? Like an unsatisfied customer and fan.

I don't hate Blizzard, but I hate decicions that's not based or explained witin the realm of rational thought. Now, if Blizzard could lift their big and heavy lid on public information and try and explain it to me - fine. But they haven't done it. Untill that time I'm entitled to be angry. Your attempt of splashing pink painting to the picture is unfortunately not very efficient.

Firstly, I never said YOU hated Blizzard, just that it sounds like many people seem too.

1. So you are upset because you couldnt break the rules they set down for peoples own benifit? Local servers give better connections, I would rather have a server thats a few hundred miles away than one a few THOUSAND. Many people playing other MMORPG's would kill for local, administrated servers. (And don't give me any crap about a lack of communication, its comming up to the most important phase of the entire project for the EU division, they likley don't have time to pee).

2. Very simple answer; just what do you think the rest of the EU would say when a member of the EU got the game about a month before them? You think they would care it's english and they wan't it in their language? Of-course not, you would get legions of short sighted critizisers blaming blizzard for not allowing them to play on the UK version, even though local servers are for THEIR benifit. Blizzard couldn't win even if they did what you wanted.

3. Its got buggerall to do with anything the americans did, they were ready to go live by that point and, as such ready for anything. You are paying for the open beta in a sense, but I would also be willing to bet most people would:
a) Have bought the game on pre-order ANYWAY.
b) Have payed approximately £3 deposit to secure the pre-order beta kit.
So, thats £3 pounds payed about 2 months earlier than you would have payed it of the games overall price. And for this huge amount you get to play for about 30-40 days FOR FREE. BAsically, instead of getting 30 days free trial with the game, Blizz are now giving us about 60 days, and all we have to do is pre-order? Sounds bloody fair to me.


4. I am sure there is an English EU manager, but have you ever thought that they AREN'T trying to thwart the entire community and make enimies of the lot of them? Maybe, just maybe, they are working on the game you so love to make sure it sunes perfectly when you start playing? It's easier to blame someone instead of just accepting this is the way it needs to be.

5. I am sick of saying this, but what if there isn't anything to say? They have told us when the beta is going to be released and thats all we need for now, its people getting their hoped up for no reason then getting them dashed that causes the bad blood. Or what if they know that releasing any form of date isn't a good idea because they aren't concrete on the date themselves yet and don't want to piss off the community if the game doesn't come out the minuite they said it would (and you know people would go balistic).
Many people say a rough date would be ok, but thats ******** too. If Blizzard said the Beta was due between the 10th and the 20th, when it came to the 10th EVERYONE would assume the game was coming out, then, if it didn't, Blizzard are suddenly evil again.

Finally, the release date isn't 'tentative', they said it will come out in december and that is the month it is most likley to come out, your overall pessimism of the whole situation and deep desire to play an amazing game has coloured your view of the sitiuation.

Blizzard are not idiots, they know that the more they delay the more money and people they loose, but by the same token they would loose even more money and people if they neglected their EU launch and released early just to appease people.

[Anders41]

Hey Fanboi

"(And don't give me any crap about a lack of communication, its comming up to the most important phase of the entire project for the EU division, they likley don't have time to pee)"

If you took your head out of your *** for a second you would see they dont even have a english comunity manager, they have not even started to translate the game into germa/french, and they HAVE ZERO info on their boards.

So tell me again why we should be happy for spending money on a preorder for a game with absolutly nill info about its release? specially when i can just get the US version and play there.

[zingfharn]

I preordered Halo 2, Donkey Konga, and numerous other games, not because I wanted access to the beta, or because I expected special treatment, but because I wanted them on the day of release. Plus double reward points. I did the same for WoW. The FB, when it comes, is a bonus. But that's sure as hell not why I pre-ordered. Again, if that's your only reason, you probably need to get out a little more.

[kristianaspinall]

I'm sorry, but I have to address some of these fallacies.


1. So you are upset because you couldnt break the rules they set down for peoples own benifit? Local servers give better connections, I would rather have a server thats a few hundred miles away than one a few THOUSAND. Many people playing other MMORPG's would kill for local, administrated servers. (And don't give me any crap about a lack of communication, its comming up to the most important phase of the entire project for the EU division, they likley don't have time to pee).


Thats incorrect. Most European players have much better connections to the USA servers than USA players themsleves.
And many Euro CB players reported that they had better connections to the USA than to the European Servers.

This isn't 1995 people, its 2004. You could drive a truck down the Atlantic internet connection for goodness sakes - people have been playing online games on American servers for YEARS with absolutely no problems. (Indeed, on EQ I had a better connection than most my USA guild).

The latency / better server performance arguement is simply not true, on any level.


2. Very simple answer; just what do you think the rest of the EU would say when a member of the EU got the game about a month before them? You think they would care it's english and they wan't it in their language? Of-course not, you would get legions of short sighted critizisers blaming blizzard for not allowing them to play on the UK version, even though local servers are for THEIR benifit. Blizzard couldn't win even if they did what you wanted.


Given that a huge % of French & German speakers plan on playing on the English speaking servers anyway, due to friends already known on the internet, and the constant poor quality of translations, it shouldn't ever matter.
Local servers aren't for our benefit. They never were, and the excuses Blizzard provided are ridiculous and blatently untrue. (Else where are the servers for all the other languages in Europe? Or the Hispanic servers for America? The French servers for half of Canada?).

Euro Servers are there to bump Vivendi Universals EU profit sheet, and to affect Quarter 4 performance results.


4. I am sure there is an English EU manager, but have you ever thought that they AREN'T trying to thwart the entire community and make enimies of the lot of them? Maybe, just maybe, they are working on the game you so love to make sure it sunes perfectly when you start playing? It's easier to blame someone instead of just accepting this is the way it needs to be.


Exactly what work do you think they are doing?

The game already works. Theres 400K of players in America right now. The closed beta has NO purpose, at all. Blizzard EU can't even change the games code - they can only take things to the American team. Any bugs you find will have been found by tens more players in America, and reported to the actual team that can change things.

The fact that a consistent lack of communication, failure to respond to even basic issues, and no firm details at all about anything is attrocious.

And I think the main reason that people are worrying is because all evidence points ot the fact that this treatment wil continue after the launch, and Europe will remain being treated as third class customers for no reason.


Blizzard are not idiots, they know that the more they delay the more money and people they loose, but by the same token they would loose even more money and people if they neglected their EU launch and released early just to appease people.

Blizzard already HAVE neglected their European customers. Consistently, repeatedly, and very badly.

The game ALREADY works in the USA. Thats the point that annoys people. Whilst half the online world plays, Europe gets the vague promise of a final beta sometime in December, whilst they continue a completely and utterly pointless closed beta.

We've been treated very badly in the launch of this game, for worthless corporate reasons, and all the signs point to the fact that we will continue to be treated badly when the final game is released.

[SiGiN]

http://en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=20166&p=7 <- some nice reading.

Makes you almost go: "Darn! Why I live in stupid country that actually had preorder kit in stores"

[Da DM]

The game ALREADY works in the USA. Thats the point that annoys people. Whilst half the online world plays, Europe gets the vague promise of a final beta sometime in December, whilst they continue a completely and utterly pointless closed beta.

We've been treated very badly in the launch of this game, for pointless corporate reasons, and all the signs point to the fact that we will continue to be treated badly when the final game is released.

There isn't much to be done about that. It's the law of supply and demand. Don't get me wrong: you're right IMHO. It's always struck me as totally weird why it's started on a massive scale across the oceans in US and aussie territories and a launch couldn't work simultaneously in europe? They've focused on other continents for some reason. It's bad policy IMHO; they're losing profit this way. Especially during holiday season ppl have time to play and, hence, there will be more chance of paying customers after their free month trial. Mh: maybe they're afraid of work during the holidays?

Yep, I'm as disappointed as the rest of the EU. B_itching about it won't work AFAIK; it just gets ignored. Fact remains that for some alien reason we have to wait out whatever the Gods on mount Blizzard are up to :uhhuh:

[SadaraK]

Hey Fanboi

"(And don't give me any crap about a lack of communication, its comming up to the most important phase of the entire project for the EU division, they likley don't have time to pee)"

If you took your head out of your *** for a second you would see they dont even have a english comunity manager, they have not even started to translate the game into germa/french, and they HAVE ZERO info on their boards.

So tell me again why we should be happy for spending money on a preorder for a game with absolutly nill info about its release? specially when i can just get the US version and play there.

Fan boy? I have played one other Blizzard game in my entire life and I have only played the open beta of WoW for about a week, I couldn't give a crap who made the game, I was interested in it becasue I liked the idea of a game set in the warcraft universe. Maybe I am alot better qualified to look at the situation with an un-biased view than someone who needs to throw around names to make their point?

Oh, and if they hadn't started translating anything then we wouldn't be getting the beta or the game for a good few months. The game can't now be released till it's translated, it part of the process. Maybe if you widened your mind a little maybe you wouldn't be such an arse?

Thats incorrect. Most European players have much better connections to the USA servers than USA players themsleves.
And many Euro CB players reported that they had better connections tot he USA than to the European Servers.

This isn't 1995 people, its 2004. You could drive a truuk down the Atlantic internet connection for goodness sakes - people have been playing online games on American servers for YEARS with absolutely no problems. (Indeed, on EQ I had a better connection than most my USA guild).

The latency / better server performance arguement is simply not true, on any level.

I take your point about the connection speeds, I have always experianced better connections to UK servers than US servers and based my opinion on that. That said, my experiance online has generally been that many people would rather play on a local server than an international one. I don't know about everyone esle, but me and everyone I know online get better connections from a server closer to home, it only makes sense.

You may be right though, maybe it's best to get people to say what their experiances are?

Given that a huge % of French & German speakers plan on playing on the English Speaking servers anyway, due to friends already known on the niternet, and the cnostant poor quality of translations, it shouldn't ever matter.
Local servers aren't for our benefit. They never were, and the excuses Blizzard provided are ridiculous and blatently untrue. (Else where are the servers for all the other languages in Europe? Or the Hispanic servers for America? The French servers for half of Canada?).

Euro Servers are there to bump Vivendi Universlas EU profit sheet, and to affect Quarter 4 performance results.

How do you know a HUGE amount of french & german people plan on joining the UK servers? Lets put it this way, although some people on these boards may say they will join the UK servers, they are doing it to join with people they played with in the past. They do this because (most likley)they have played MMORPG's before with them. But WoW is going to have the biggest amount of new MMORPG's players ever, who won't care about playing on a different server other than the one meant for them.
The reason they didn't set up servers for every EU member was simple and unfortunate, money. They will only have invested in the countries they expected to get a decent return on. And remember, just because they aren't giving the best customer support at the moment doesn't mean that won't change in the future (which was one of the main reason for local servers), all I am saying if give them a chance to get the game out then judge their customer support.

Exactly what work do you think they are doing?

The game already works. Theres 400K of players in America right now. The closed beta has NO purpose, at all. Blizzard EU can't even change the games code - they can only take things to the American team. Any bugs you find will have been found by tens more players in America, and reported to the actual team that can change things.

The fact that a consistent lack of communication, failure to respond to even basic issues, and no firm details at all about anything is attrocious.

And I think the main reason that people are worrying is because all evidence points ot the fact that this treatment wil continue after the launch, and Europe will remain being treated as third class customers for no reason.

The game does work, but other things may not. Having a game that works may be enough when its not going to be a huge online experiance but when it is there are many other things that need to be sorted that have buggerall to do with the game. Servers, community, logging in, setting up a reliable support sysetm all these are off the top of my head and I don't even know that much about the process.
End of the day, a working code for the game itself is only half the battle. Add to that the local translations that need to be completed before release and you have ample reason for the delay. The closed beta has NO reason? What do you think Blizzard are? Evil? Insane? They wouldn't carry it on if there wasn't something that needed testing, seriously, you can't think they are just tourturing the gaming population on purpose.

Final point, and one that I have already made. Yes the game works in the US, mainly because they already had there open beta to test the servers aswell as the game. Our servers still need testing under load, along with the translations that still need to happen.

Every minuite Blizzard doesn't release the open beta they are pissing off the gaming population, which is, in turn costing money through people who may either cancel pre-orders or not play the game at all. Do you think they don't know this? Ofcourse they do. But they can't release the open till it's ready to be released.

[Fagercraft]

Its sad that i should even have to say this but here it goes;

When it comes to the fact that EU got only BETA servers while the americans are playing on retail (same game, same patches) did it ever occur to any of you whiners that they MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT REASON for not selling retail in EU then to just be *****y to all the europeans?

This aint a small operation installing shipping ordering and everything else i cant even imagine to get servers going, games to the shops, transports, hireing....

So if you still whine about we ONLY have beta that is exactely the same as what America is PAYING for, please think about it.

Say that blizzards feels like ****, we cant let europeans play free for what the americans are paying for and just takes away the betaservers... then youd have even more whines saying that release the game its done ffs... and no-one would be able to play at all until january when they estimated that all the planning for a continential release of a game is done and ready to be set in motion?

You all (well not all but alot here) sound like all servers are allready there pluged and played and blizzard is just holding on to their already created CDs and not letting you have it.

Please... Blizzard aint a demonic company from hell, surely alot is done in mind of selling more... but hey thats the whole freaking idea with a company... i mean just making a good game is so that it can sell... so people will want to play it... open up there pockets... there trying their best to make you all HAPPY when you play so you will continue to play.. not to leave...

why is this so hard to get...?

[Anders41]

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

None of your points are valid since they WILL BE RELEASING the game on english in europe anyway. and get the translated versions out at a later date. its all on their FAQ on the euro page.

So , once again, take your head out of your ***......

kkthxbye

[Fagercraft]

Yes they will be releasing it on english.. and french and german.. dont know if they will be released at the same time but that doesnt matter much.

And yes the game is ready to be played, but is the servers? is the network in europe?

and now were only talking about servers and the game code.... what about shipping, making, ordering, hireing people, getting cds to the stores, making sure regristration and support is ready for realease...

and you know.. im sure i cant even think of half of what has to be done for this release... be happy some of us can play atleast... it will even make the load of open beta better couse alot more is already regristered.. be happy they let you play the full game for free couse you havent payd a **** for beta.. not a singel penny... and the beta has a full featured realease version of the game that others are paying to play.

Its not all about that the game is done and ready mate... the world is bigger then your normal backyard

Savvy?

[SadaraK]

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

None of your points are valid since they WILL BE RELEASING the game on english in europe anyway. and get the translated versions out at a later date. its all on their FAQ on the euro page.

So , once again, take your head out of your ***......

kkthxbye

Fine, that doesn't change the fact that simple translation isn't the whole problem, the internet connections and server loads are jsut a few aspects that also need to be sorted as im sure alot of internal affairs at Blizzard need to be. They are still taking on staff for gods sake. Having a working game in the right language isn't enough.

I wan't to play the game as much as you do Anders, the difference is I am mature enough (read: over the age of about 8) to realise that just because I wan't something doesn't mean it will happen, no matter how much I cry about it.

Edit: Just read all of your 6 posts and practically every single one of them is b!tching about you not having the game yet. Stop being such a sodding child and wait all of about 2 weeks for the beta they said would be out this month. Despite what you may think, there are other people in the world apart from you with their own worries.

Its sad that i should even have to say this but here it goes;

When it comes to the fact that EU got only BETA servers while the americans are playing on retail (same game, same patches) did it ever occur to any of you whiners that they MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT REASON for not selling retail in EU then to just be *****y to all the europeans?

This aint a small operation installing shipping ordering and everything else i cant even imagine to get servers going, games to the shops, transports, hireing....

So if you still whine about we ONLY have beta that is exactely the same as what America is PAYING for, please think about it.

Say that blizzards feels like ****, we cant let europeans play free for what the americans are paying for and just takes away the betaservers... then youd have even more whines saying that release the game its done ffs... and no-one would be able to play at all until january when they estimated that all the planning for a continential release of a game is done and ready to be set in motion?

You all (well not all but alot here) sound like all servers are allready there pluged and played and blizzard is just holding on to their already created CDs and not letting you have it.

Please... Blizzard aint a demonic company from hell, surely alot is done in mind of selling more... but hey thats the whole freaking idea with a company... i mean just making a good game is so that it can sell... so people will want to play it... open up there pockets... there trying their best to make you all HAPPY when you play so you will continue to play.. not to leave...

why is this so hard to get...?

Thank god, finally someone esle who can see some sense. No doubt you will soon be called a fanboy for your efforts though. I am sick of stating the obvious, things that people who see clearly if it weren't for there love of the game and their desire to play it.

[Anders41]

you still dont get it do you?

Why should i sit here and wait for a release/beta or whatever that they are giving ZERO info about. when i can pick up a US copy and play there ?

It would be in their interest to get some info out or ppl just move to US servers, Making the EU release somewhat uncertain all the sudden.

And i did pay for having my preorder of the game, that i wouldnt EVER done if it wasent for that big advertisment about a beta key inside.


And i should be happy for you being able to play?... lol wtf for? i dont even know you and by your reasoning i wouldnt want to. Ppl like you are why game compnies get away with **** like this.

[Beachball]

So many people are completely missing the point. For what ever reasons you are arguing, for or against Blizzard, the simple fact is that the MAJORITY of it is just speculation. That is the point! For whatever reasons you think they haven't released FB yet, NO-ONE knows for sure because there has been either NO information or what we have been given has been very vague at best.

I find this lack of communication possibly THE most frustrating thing about the whole situation. For those of you who are quoting the old "they said it will be sometime in December so just wait" that doesn't mean that I don't check on a daily basis to see if they have a release date yet. Seeing nothing day after day leaves me feeling very let down .... hell I'd even be happy with "sometime at the END of December" its still pretty vague but at least I won't be checking every day to see if there has been an update.

Even with the release of the second wave of Closed Beta keys there was no communication from Blizz (barring the mention about 6 months ago that they would be releasing two waves of CB keys) until they had sent them out! Understandably this leaves all those who pre-ordered feeling very unsettled and with many questions .... all of which are going unanswered. If this second wave was for those people living in countries that can't get in on the preorder FB deal, then GREAT!! I'm really happy for them ..... But without any conformation from Blizzard this is just another speculation. To me it does seem odd to start up a Preorder deal for FB, then a few days later send out more invitations to CB.

Just some information is all we're asking for, something I find hard to believe is beyond Blizzards capabilities

[SadaraK]

you still dont get it do you?

Why should i sit here and wait for a release/beta or whatever that they are giving ZERO info about. when i can pick up a US copy and play there ?

It would be in their interest to get some info out or ppl just move to US servers, Making the EU release somewhat uncertain all the sudden.

And i did pay for having my preorder of the game, that i wouldnt EVER done if it wasent for that big advertisment about a beta key inside.


And i should be happy for you being able to play?... lol wtf for? i dont even know you and by your reasoning i wouldnt want to. Ppl like you are why game compnies get away with **** like this.

Congratulations, seven straight posts b!itching about you not having the game. If you wan't to go to the US servers go ahead, I'm certainly not stopping you. If you actually read my posts I tell you the most likely reason they haven't released info.

Just because they wont hold your hand right up untill the realease with information you are loosing it. They said it would be out this month, they will release information about the final beta, likley, about a week ahead (maybe a few days) of the actual release. What more do you need, how about news on when each emplyee took a crap?

Don't try to tell me you wouldn't have pre-ordered either, reposts are that games will likley be in short supply near release just like the US launch. You spend so much time and effort complaining about not having the game I doubt you would be able to bare someone else having it and you not. Hell even if you honestly wouldn't have pre-ordered the game you still would bought the thing, this way you just did it earlier and are getting an extra month of free play.

People like you are the reason the boards are full of arguments and not discussions.

[SadaraK]

So many people are completely missing the point. For what ever reasons you are arguing, for or against Blizzard, the simple fact is that the MAJORITY of it is just speculation. That is the point! For whatever reasons you think they haven't released FB yet, NO-ONE knows for sure because there has been either NO information or what we have been given has been very vague at best.

I find this lack of communication possibly THE most frustrating thing about the whole situation. For those of you who are quoting the old "they said it will be sometime in December so just wait" that doesn't mean that I don't check on a daily basis to see if they have a release date yet. Seeing nothing day after day leaves me feeling very let down .... hell I'd even be happy with "sometime at the END of December" its still pretty vague but at least I won't be checking every day to see if there has been an update.

Even with the release of the second wave of Closed Beta keys there was no communication from Blizz (barring the mention about 6 months ago that they would be releasing two waves of CB keys) until they had sent them out! Understandably this leaves all those who pre-ordered feeling very unsettled and with many questions .... all of which are going unanswered. If this second wave was for those people living in countries that can't get in on the preorder FB deal, then GREAT!! I'm really happy for them ..... But without any conformation from Blizzard this is just another speculation. To me it does seem odd to start up a Preorder deal for FB, then a few days later send out more invitations to CB.

Just some information is all we're asking for, something I find hard to believe is beyond Blizzards capabilities

I totally agree, no-one knows anything for sure. Which is why I based my thoughts on what is most logically the case. Whats more likley, that Blizzard are incompitent fools intent on pissing off their main source of income, or that they are actually trying to get the open beta ready asap but have other things to sort out first?

[Fagercraft]

Thank god, finally someone esle who can see some sense. No doubt you will soon be called a fanboy for your efforts though. I am sick of stating the obvious, things that people who see clearly if it weren't for there love of the game and their desire to play it.

i dont mind being called a blizz-fanboi. But i know what you mean dude. But i can't balieve how hard so many finds it to se the obvious and use the facts of a company :thanks:

company = made to make $$
teasing customers = no $$

company = still made to make $$
not selling priducts couse they dont want to = no $$

its as easy as 1+1=2

now comming up with ideas that might couse the late date might be a little harder, as im sure i cant tell them all myself . But some logical reason like shipping, testing, and preparation is obvious, dont you agree?

[SadaraK]

i dont mind being called a blizz-fanboi. But i know what you mean dude. But i can't balieve how hard so many finds it to se the obvious and use the facts of a company :thanks:

company = made to make $$
teasing customers = no $$

company = still made to make $$
not selling priducts couse they dont want to = no $$

its as easy as 1+1=2

now comming up with ideas that might couse the late date might be a little harder, as im sure i cant tell them all myself . But some logical reason like shipping, testing, and preparation is obvious, dont you agree?

Well call me an idiot (or a fanboy) but I would say that makes a little more sense than 'they are out to screw us all' :)

[Anders41]

And grats to you for being blizzard fanboi with your 168 pro posts.

And yea im *****ing about the fact they sold me a preorder **** copy with the big letters BETA KEY INSIDE and then wont give out any info at all how the euro release is going. But since your happy sitting in the dark why dont you keep at it.

[Fagercraft]

you still dont get it do you?

Why should i sit here and wait for a release/beta or whatever that they are giving ZERO info about. when i can pick up a US copy and play there ?

That is a good question, why did you even bother pre-order the EU WoW that you will be able to buy 'early Q1 2005' and get to play 100% in the open beta thats comming out in december?


It would be in their interest to get some info out or ppl just move to US servers, Making the EU release somewhat uncertain all the sudden.


Well the info given is: in december for open beata, early Q1 for retail. I'm happy with this info and dont really understand why they should tell us more unless there is change in plans


And i did pay for having my preorder of the game, that i wouldnt EVER done if it wasent for that big advertisment about a beta key inside.


Well congratulations for you, you will be playing open beta in december and hve your copy of wow in early Q1 2005... dont see the problem..


And i should be happy for you being able to play?... lol wtf for? i dont even know you and by your reasoning i wouldnt want to. Ppl like you are why game compnies get away with **** like this.


Dude... just becouse I can handle to wait, dont assume im in the beta. I im patiantly waiting for OB to start myself and i am not in any closed beta playing WoW. And i could care less if you want know me or not, that is not what this argue is about.

[SadaraK]

And grats to you for being blizzard fanboi with your 168 pro posts.

And yea im *****ing about the fact they sold me a preorder **** copy with the big letters BETA KEY INSIDE and then wont give out any info at all how the euro release is going. But since your happy sitting in the dark why dont you keep at it.

Ahh I get it, so every single person on this board with that many or more posts is a Blizzard fanboy? Your just reiterating points that I have already explained are completely petty and selfish.

I have gone over my feelings on the matter, and most people who can look at the situation from a neutral stand point will agree with most of what I have said. Clearly you don't want to hear what im saying , you would rather just hate blizzard, go ahead if it makes you feel better. Think of it as your comfort blanket till the release.

[Korlak]

By that logic people with 1000+ posts would want to have sex with Blizzard. ;)

[kristianaspinall]

Couple of points...

i) I don't think the EU decision has anything to do with Blizzard.

Blizzard are gamers, through and through. They played EQ, DaoC, etc., they KNOW how internet gaming works, and none of the reasons for localised european support, and the delayed release in europe, are ever anything that a gamer would agree with.

This is a decision by Vivendi Universal. Not Blizzard.

Blizzard will know what happens when you split your client base up like this. They know about delayed patches, the breaking up of friendships and guilds, the frustration at being treated like second class and never been told anything.

I honestly don't believe its a decision Blizzard have any control over.

ii) Your massively over stating the need for development at Blizzard EU. The server setup, code, interface to the internet etc will be exactly the same as the USA servers - it *has* to be, because of the development cycle for the game. That's one thing thats perplexing many of us who work in IT - there's just no technical reason for this delay at all. It makes no sense - and the Closed Beta isn't doing anything atm other than annoying people, and giving a very tiny proportion of the population a chance to experiance what half the world already is doing.


BTW, re. Europe - again, I refer to the fact that historically, when you go down the seperate server route like Blizzard is doing, the Europeans suffer. It happened in DaoC, it happened in Everquest, its goign to happen here.
Delayed patches have a *huge* effect on the game, especially when they fix broken issues or negate hacks / dupes / over powered exploits.
Never mind the fact that we in Europe will *never* get an opportunity to discover something new, because we'll always be several months behind the USA.

[Fagercraft]

Let's just hope that they deliver patches from America fast.

[SadaraK]

Couple of points...

i) I don't think the EU decision has anything to do with Blizzard.

Blizzard are gamers, through and through. They played EQ, DaoC, etc., they KNOW how internet gaming works, and none of the reasons for localised european support, and the delayed release in europe, are ever anything that a gamer would agree with.

This is a decision by Vivendi Universal. Not Blizzard.

Blizzard will know what happens when you split your client base up like this. They know about delayed patches, the breaking up of friendships and guilds, the frustration at being treated like second class and never been told anything.

I honestly don't believe its a decision Blizzard have any control over.

ii) Your massively over stating the need for development at Blizzard EU. The server setup, code, interface to the internet etc will be exactly the same as the USA servers - it *has* to be, because of the development cycle for the game. That's one thing thats perplexing many of us who work in IT - there's just no technical reason for this delay at all. It makes no sense - and the Closed Beta isn't doing anything atm other than annoying people, and giving a very tiny proportion of the population a chance to experiance what half the world already is doing.


BTW, re. Europe - again, I refer to the fact that histroically, when you go down the seperate server route like Blizzard is doing, the Europeans suffer. It happened in DaoC, it happened in Everquest, its goign to happen here.
Delayed patches have a *huge* effect on the game, especially when they fix broken issues or negate hacks / dupes / over powered exploits.
Never mind the fact that we in Europe will *never* get an opportunity to discover something new, because we'll always be several months behind the USA.

You may well be right about Blizzard, it more likley Vivendi that are handeling the customer section, and likley a whole different internet company handeling the server setup and code implimentation. Although the code is likley very easy to impliment (if you are correct) that doesn't mean nothing can go wrong/ nothing at all has to be changed. Hell, perhaps it's somthing to do with in-house recruting, perhaps they don't want the beta to start till they can fill a few key positions.

Anyway, the main point I am trying to make is that we don't have any idea what kind of stuff they have to get sorted, what we do know id the Beta is out this month. Likley they knew they would be done in december but were unable to put a day on it, and unwilling to get hoped up.

BTW, one thing that does bother me about the staggered releases is that (as you say) us Euros can never discover anything new. Damn shame about that, but maybe it will turnout like EQ, where over 3000 still haven't been uncovered, meaning it's as much a matter of skill and luck as a head start.

[krebbe]

Im beginning to doubt there ever will be a final beta...

[kristianaspinall]

Let's just hope that they deliver patches from America fast.

Going by the time its taking atm, and other similar games reponse times, you can expect anything up to a month before a patch hits the european servers.

If thats the case, I expect a lot of people who initially purchased the EU version will change over to the USA servers when they are unlocked.

Nothing kills an online game faster than having delayed patches for certain area's of the world.

Its just not acceptable.

[Dwalin]

can i just point out its the 2nd of December, 29 days left jack asses
that isnt to the people making decent posts, just the ones who are
"Mummy gimmie beta now! waaa waa waa!"

[SadaraK]

Going by the time its taking atm, and other similar games reponse times, you can expect anything up to a month before a patch hits the european servers.

If thats the case, I expect a lot of people who initially purchased the EU version will change over to the USA servers when they are unlocked.

Nothing kills an online game faster than having delayed patches for certain area's of the world.

Its just not acceptable.

I could be completely wrong about this but I thought that WoW had the most dedicated servers of an MMORPG so far with more support staff to make sure they run like they are meant to?

[kristianaspinall]

BTW, one thing that does bother me about the staggered releases is that (as you say) us Euros can never discover anything new. Damn shame about that, but maybe it will turnout like EQ, where over 3000 still haven't been uncovered, meaning it's as much a matter of skill and luck as a head start.

JFI about the EQ thing - EQ doesn't have anywhere near the amount of quests WoW has, and certainly not 3000.

When the developer quoted that, he was including things like tradeskill recipes etc, several years ago.

There's almost nothing left in EQ that isn't on a spoiler site somewhere.

I had the pleasure of being guilding with an absolute quest maniac in EQ, a wizard named Zeff, who completed a game first with one of the Akhevan quests in Luclin. (He became allied to the expansions eng game monsters... :-D ). Apparently, everything there was broken and none-working - thats the barrier ni EQ quests, the sheer effort it takes to understand them and overcome the bugs that always exist.

Most of the difficulty in EQ quests was just discovering whether there was actually a quest, and then how to do it - nothing in WoW comes close, so once people actually find the quest I don't expect it will remain unsolved for that long... :-(

[Fagercraft]

also i dont think you should compare delivering a patch to the EU servers to Delivering a whole system network with personal and everything that involves retail...

its just not the same... the real shame is if EU has to wait for things like expensions just couse our servers started 2months later we get it 2 months later...

But game-fixes.. i won't say to much thou since i dont know to much about it. Only played Eve (1 server only) and Lineage2 (where patches came to the US late couse it was about koreans transalating korean to english, not a pretty sight, but it wasn't bad)

I can imagine the DAoC players and more have more to say about this then i have

[kristianaspinall]

I could be completely wrong about this but I thought that WoW had the most dedicated servers of an MMORPG so far with more support staff to make sure they run like they are meant to?

No.

WoW has to have more physical servers because of its segregation policies - because of the 24 hour clock, and the different timezones, WoW requires more actual servers for its population than an equivalent game.
(for example, EQ manages 400K people on 41 servers or so. WoW requires twice as much, because all the east coast population are heading for the East Coast section, all the pacific population heads for west coast etc. Unlike in every other game, where the population is spread roughly equally across the servers, in WoW you have massive server highs and lows - high playtime on an east coast server is REALLY high playtime, unlike in any other game).

We don't actually know what support staff etc. Blizzard have, especially in Europe - but given that even in the closed beta which only has a tiny number of people on it, and isn't being translated, patches are taking over a week to port across doesn't give me great hope. In final version, you'd expect that to take a lot longer, including translation's to French and German...

Don't get me wrong, I still think this is the best MMORPG out there - I just think the level of service we are getting, and will continue to get in Europe looks appalling and nothing Blizzard has said gives anyone any hope that it will be anything different after launch... :-(

[Squarebob Spongepants]

By that logic people with 1000+ posts would want to have sex with Blizzard. ;)
Why, I would never... Err... Hmm... Well, if they've got any 'hawt chix' working for them :wink2:

[SadaraK]

JFI about the EQ thing - EQ doesn't have anywhere near the amount of quests WoW has, and certainly not 3000.

When the developer quoted that, he was including things like tradeskill recipes etc, several years ago.

There's almost nothing left in EQ that isn't on a spoiler site somewhere.

I had the pleasure of being guilding with an absolute quest maniac in EQ, a wizard named Zeff, who completed a game first with one of the Akhevan quests in Luclin. (He became allied to the expansions eng game monsters... :-D ). Apparently, everything there was broken and none-working - thats the barrier ni EQ quests, the sheer effort it takes to understand them and overcome the bugs that always exist.

Most of the difficulty in EQ quests was just discovering whether there was actually a quest, and then how to do it - nothing in WoW comes close, so once people actually find the quest I don't expect it will remain unsolved for that long... :-(

Sorry, I wan't exact. I meant 3000 itmes have never been found in the origonal Everquest. I have a pressrelease on my desk saying as much that came with my review copy of EQ2.

[kristianaspinall]

Sorry, I wan't exact. I meant 3000 itmes have never been found in the origonal Everquest. I have a pressrelease on my desk saying as much that came with my review copy of EQ2.

Ah, I thought you were referring to the other EQ figure...

The problem with that figure is that :

i) Most of those items actually won't be able to be found. As someone whose attempted a huge amount of quests in everquest, I can tell you that most are bugged and incomplete - even quests that are there from the very first day of launch are bugged and still not working.

ii) The rest will be ultra rare drops of ultra rare spawns that have no purpose in the game. And with the rampant insane mudflation Eq has, aren;t worht anything anyway.
(For example, I know of at least two random named that can spawn in the original EQ, that apparently have no purpose or storyline anyone can find, and are incredibly rare. Thing is, they might have an ultra rare drop on them - and when your talking a mob that spawns 1 in a 100 times, and drops an item 1 in a 100 times, you'll probably never get any player finding it, especially if its in the bottom of Splitpaw or Najena... :-)

When WoW refers to quests and items, I know they are talking about somethign real that players can do, has a story and purpose, and will tie into the game as a whole.
When EQ talks about unfound items and quests, the vast probability is its a gnolls ear that drops off a rare spawn kobold in a zone 1 person has visited in the past 3 years that sells for 1 gold piece and has no purpose.

The difference between the games is outstanding - WoW's quest implementation is simply so far ahead of any other game I've experianced (including EQ2) that it's an unfair comparison to the other games.
Problem witht hat is that its ease of use means that nothing will stay undiscovered for long - and a month headstart over us in Europe is going to ensure that...

[Singu]

@SadaraK

We're in two different places, like many in this thread seem to be. I still haven't seen a single post that made me go 'How could I be so stupid and not see if from that angle'. But we've both admitted the source of that point. A basic lack of information. To you it's ok and natural. To me it's not.

On the factual points in my post I feel that kristianspinall have spoken my case quite well. There are some facts that you either seem to know too little about, or haven't bothered to learn to a certain degree since it doesn't seem to concern your demands and/or interests at all.

It's quite important to me to base my gripes in reality and facts. In respect to your original angle as coming of as a 'whining 4 year old'. I concider my concerns interesting and related to the topic and this forum. And will continue to do so unless someone can prove me wrong, and that someone seem to only be the ever so silent Blizzard Entertainment. As I see it, gagged and bagged by VU games.

I know it's lame, but we have to agree to disagree. I will just be repeating myself, and so I think will you.

[SadaraK]

@SadaraK

We're in two different places, like many in this thread seem to be. I still haven't seen a single post that made me go 'How could I be so stupid and not see if from that angle'. But we've both admitted the source of that point. A basic lack of information. To you it's ok and natural. To me it's not.

On the factual points in my post I feel that kristianspinall have spoken my case quite well. There are some facts that you either seem to know too little about, or haven't bothered to learn to a certain degree since it doesn't seem to concern your demands and/or interests at all.

It's quite important to me to base my gripes in reality and facts. In respect to your original angle as coming of as a 'whining 4 year old'. I concider my concerns interesting and related to the topic and this forum. And will continue to do so unless someone can prove me wrong, and that someone seem to only be the ever so silent Blizzard Entertainment. As I see it, gagged and bagged by VU games.

I know it's lame, but we have to agree to disagree. I will just be repeating myself, and so I think will you.

Now that kind of reply is one I can feel comfortable with, it's an agreement to a disussion not an insight to an argument.

For what it's worth the 'whining 4 year old' comment was leveled, not at you, but at the kind of people who blindly post like Anders41.

Honestly? I am prepared to admit I didn't know all the facts while arguing my point of view, and maybe I should have read up more, I guess it was my mistake. Having said that, I still belive the core of my view persists: It is impossible to know just what is taking up the time till the open beta.

The problem with that statement means people tend to view the situation dependant on their own position. If you are a logical optomist like me, you are likley to believe Blizzard aren't doing ikt on purpose. If you are inclined to be a pessimist or have had a bad experiance when them in the past, you are likley to think that they are, for whatever reason, holding it back when it could be released.

As you say, we agree to disagree :).

[Fagercraft]

I second the 2 above

Guess im a more optimistik person of nature... or just another Blizzard-Fanboi
:scratch:

Beer for everyone :drink:

the optimist -> :buddies: <- the pessimist

[Ged666]

Omg - the http://en.wow-europe.com/ update - they did it again! And by "it" I mean gave the same info 1 day later, again without any form of explanation WHY this sudden release of new CB keys was neccessary and an estimate of when the FB will begin.

It's not like they don't have time to give an explanation - they won't!!! Omg!!
Worst December ever! I'll go kill Santa just to let off steam.

[Fuvane]

I'm a little confused. Blizzard just posted on the front EU page that third wave of CB keys have been sent out. Are they saying that they sent out even more keys today or are they just slow with putting the news on the front page?

[krebbe]

Seem like they prioritize random people before the ones who pre-ordered.... again...

[Squarebob Spongepants]

No, they're just slow. That was the 3rd wave they sent out last night. The 2nd wave was sent out in October. The 1st wave was sent out to people on the german CM's ICQ list.

[krebbe]

Squarebob: you serius?

[Squarebob Spongepants]

About the 1st wave of Beta keys? According to what I've heard, the program that's supposed to send out the keys wasn't working when the first wave was supposed to be sent out. So the german CM sent a bunch of Beta keys to various guild leaders and other people on his ICQ list.

[Singu]

Third Wave?? ICQ???? I thought we'd only had two. :scratch: OK, I know this is only heresay at bests. But if there is a grain of truth to that(how could you keep something as insane as launching keys by ICQ to a selected few secret?)...I think the EU Blizz Meter would've reached a new low - allthough it happened long ago.

On the topic of the main EU page. Someone called Ryann seem to be very anxious to update it all of a sudden. Don't think he's CM though, because there's still little blue text in the forum. But hey, after the new wave, the posts seem to go by a bit faster there - over one page in less than 24 hours!

Any info is better than no info, allthough mr. Spongepants put a scare into me with that ICQ rumor. Pray it isn't true... Actually I don't think it's 100% true, maybe a twist of facts perhaps.

[SadaraK]

Third Wave?? ICQ???? OK, I know this is only heresay at bests. But if there is a grain of truth to that(how could you keep something as insane as launching keys by ICQ to a selected few secret?) I think the EU Blizz Meter just reached a whole new low - allthough it happened long ago.

On the topic of the main EU page. Someone called Ryann seem to be very anxious to update it all of a sudden. Don't think he's CM though, because there's still little blue text in the forum. But hey, after the new wave the posts seem to go by a bit faster there - over one page in less than 24 hours!

Any info is better than no info, allthough mr. squarepants put a scare into me with that ICQ rumor. Pray it isn't true...

Err, I may be missing something, but what difference does it make? Closed beta characters are wiped before the Final beta so, were you picked you would get at the mots perhaps a week of play (which wouldn't be enough for me, I would just loose the will to play). Also, even if the final beta was picked in a more fair way the chances of getting in are very very very minimal. At the end of the day all they needed was more bodies to test log in servers and the like.

Also, don't expect any news about the Final beta untill at least a few days before hand, posting the final beta daye before that would be suicidal because the likleyhodd is the longer before the actual date they do it, the less accurate the date would be. As such any date that wasnt concrete that they released would cause an outcry like none ever seen.

EDIT: Sorry Singu, didnt realise it was you at first, didnt mean to force my views onto you again after we agreed to disagree.

[Squarebob Spongepants]

mr. Spongepants put a scare into me with that ICQ rumor. Pray it isn't true... Actually I don't think it's 100% true, maybe a twist of facts perhaps.
Actually, Gungdil himself posted about it on the german forum.

[Ged666]

[QUOTE=SadaraK]Err, I may be missing something, but what difference does it make? Closed beta characters are wiped before the Final beta so, were you picked you would get at the mots perhaps a week of play (which wouldn't be enough for me, I would just loose the will to play).

Even if CB chars are not wiped most people that haven't got a CB account up untill now would probably play open beta anyway when it comes out in order to play with friends. The only explanations I can think of on WHY releasing the CB keys is to give FB option for Benelux and to test account creation system. Now, they did that already so let's get FB soon plz.

Btw - Santa is dead now, I've killed him.

[Singu]

Err, I may be missing something, but what difference does it make? Closed beta characters are wiped before the Final beta so, were you picked you would get at the mots perhaps a week of play (which wouldn't be enough for me, I would just loose the will to play). Also, even if the final beta was picked in a more fair way the chances of getting in are very very very minimal. At the end of the day all they needed was more bodies to test log in servers and the like.

Also, don't expect any news about the Final beta untill at least a few days before hand, posting the final beta daye before that would be suicidal because the likleyhodd is the longer before the actual date they do it, the less accurate the date would be. As such any date that wasnt concrete that they released would cause an outcry like none ever seen.

EDIT: Sorry Singu, didnt realise it was you at first, didnt mean to force my views onto you again after we agreed to disagree.

Please take the time to read the contents of the posts you reply to. I posted an upbeat reply to the status about the news section at EU WOW. Things are improving it seems.

I also hesitated to the facts around the 'ICQ wave', if it is true however it would be a scar on Blizzards routines and proffesionality. And yes, I would believe it would be a new low for Euro Blizzard. I honestly pity you if you think the routines of using the ICQ friends list of the German CM is agreeable as a 'wave of codes' to the European customer base and that this is nothing to be bothered about. All I have heard about e-mail waves is that there has been two official waves not three. So there may be some merit to Squarebob's tale... But in the end this is unconfirmed news to me, so I'm not laying it out at Blizzard before I know for a fact that this is the truth.

Oh, and by the way. Where have you read that the closed characters will be wiped before Final Beta???

[zingfharn]

From the front of the Blizzard site:
Our account creation pages are up again, and the third wave of authentication keys for the European Closed Beta Test has been sent out.

[SadaraK]

Please take the time to read the contents of the posts you reply to. I posted an upbeat reply to the status about the news section at EU WOW. Things are improving it seems.

I also hesitated to the facts around the 'ICQ wave', if it is true however it would be a scar on Blizzards routines and proffesionality. And yes, I would believe it would be a new low for Euro Blizzard. I honestly pity you if you think the routines of using the ICQ friends list of the German CM is agreeable as a 'wave of codes' to the European customer base and that this is nothing to be bothered about. All I have heard about e-mail waves is that there has been two official waves not three. So there may be some merit to Squarebob's tale... But in the end this is unconfirmed news to me, so I'm not laying it out at Blizzard before I know for a fact that this is the truth.

Oh, and by the way. Where have you read that the closed characters will be wiped before Final Beta???

Sorry, that was my bad, read it on the official forums but it turns out not to be confirmed. :)

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the way squarebob said it was done (if it was done that way) is the wrong way to go about releasing Closed beta keys. I just thought at the time that the closed beta accounts got wiped which meant it made little difference whether you were in the closed beta or not. But then again that still may be the case, or the story about his ICQ list may be totally wrong, so its all conjecture.