What class is the best at *duels* ?

[Romeo19]

What class do you think does the best in 1v1 duels, also please write why you feel that way.

[eric640]

What class do you think does the best in 1v1 duels, also please write why you feel that way.

The top 1:1 duelists are (in no particular order) mage, priest, paladin, shaman.
The worst 1:1 classes are warriors, rogues and druids.

Pet classes are kinda... meh. They are okay too I guess. As a mage I do not fear them.


If you avoid the pure melee classes and learn how to play your character and exploit (in a good way) 110% of their potential you are going to be a good dueler. It's the player that makes the duelist more than the class.

Though I'm not going to say class doesn't influence it.

In general, the most creative and innovative people are the best duelers because they see the strategies that no one else does. If you want a frank opinion, anyone who has to ask on a messageboard which class is the best dueler is not a very creative or innovative person to begin with.

[Semidi]

It's all rock paper sisors.

if all classes are played correctly

Priest > mage
rogue > priest
paladin > mage
Mage > rogue
mage > warrior

Yes, skill does come into the picture but 9 out of 10 times one class has a sure fire way to kill another class.

All round the best classes are paladin and shaman.

[eric640]

paladin > mage


no.

[Klade]

I've seen some very good players of one class easily beat another class (thats supposed to be the better). And I've seen the opposite true as well.

More often than not who wins in a 1 on 1 fight is not really the best class but usually the better player. That being said rogues have a very high advantage over pretty much any other class if they are played correctly. If you have someone trying to play their rogue in a duel the same way they play in pve then they are going to die very very quickly. But if they know what they are about in pvp then they are going to win.

The reason for this is that they seem to have an awful lot of special abilities. If a rogue ever comes up against a mage and they know what they are doing then the mage won't even have the ability to cast a spell before they die. They would be stunned, blinded, or the rogue would be in sneak the entire time.

Of course I'm assuming level 60's fighting against other level 60's. Some of the better rogue abilities don't come along till later on.

[CerealKiller]

Just like eric640 said, no Paladin should beat a Mage of equal level. Here is a post of mine from another thread on dueling:

In my experience (and I play a frost Mage level 45), Warriors are hands-down the easiest kill in PvP. They have nothing against our range and kiting abilities. Same goes for Rogue, but they are sneakier and deal more damage in a shorter amount of time so they are deadlier than Warriors. I am able to kill the Priests I encounter about 50% of the time, usually the only deciding factor is a well timed counterspell. Druid's have not given me as much trouble as Priests and Hunter PvP fights are easy once you poly the pet and get inside melee range. A Hunter with no pet and no ranged attacked = dead Hunter. After you freeze a Hunter with frostnova there is a sweet spot where you are out of melee range and where he is still unable to use ranged attacks. Warlocks and Shamans can be a pain in the ass. DoT, Fear, I aggro half the mobs in the area and die or totem, totem, lightning, die. Warlocks being the easier of the two to kill but still a pain. I don't fight Paladins too often because I am on the alliance side, but the few duels I have had with them I have won. They do however have this annoying invincibility move, but once you move past that and counter thier healing they are just like Warriors.

Your worst nightmare will be the mage that is smarter or quicker than you, he/she knows all your tricks and uses them against you.

[Bzerker]

In duels I can pretty much beat any class with good consistency, I used to have problems with shadow priests but i figured out a decent way to kill them.

The only class I can't really deal with as of now are shamans and non ice mages, they really give me fits.

I'd think the best class right now I'd think for duels would be shamans, as I ca'nt really think of a class that can take them.

Paladins are a tough fight if you're ice specced, they have blessing of freedom (can't be slowed or rooted), and sometimes you fight a smart one that will use that will heal very early. So you're basically back tracking using instants and praying you can drop him before he can heal again.

[javischak]

Mages have a good chance of beating most classes. I've dueled my friends (who are all rogues) so many times, that i know how to kill them when i want to. They do massive damage, but having Ice Barrier helps out so much. Paladins are just annoying since i will usually run out of mana before i can take the down. Priests dont really concern me since i never really see them. Shamans are my main enemy, and have always been since i hit lvl 30. Warriors can hardly hit me due to being slowed the entire battle. Hunters are easy; Frost nova up close, blast them, then prevent them from getting a distance to use their guns. Warlocks dont have the damage of mages, but have that bothersome fear, which makes the battles even harder. Druids are just weaker Priest, and usually go into their bear/cat form, which makes them easier to kill. Other mages are where the problem lies, since you both know what the other will do, which means poly/counter/mass damage. If you look at other forums, youll see that most people are rogues/warriors/hunters (60k ro, 60k war, 75k hunt), which means you will see them the most. But in all seriousness, the shaman/mage/pally are the only classes that gives me trouble.

[mlakrid]

Mages have a good chance of beating most classes. .

ZZZZ wrong answer.... you must be alliance...

Everyone has eazy kills and hard kills... for shamans the hard kills are rogues

EZ kills are any other casting class (except another shaman)

For 2 reasons:

Grounding totem ---> so no sheep or mass missles to start off...
Fire totem ---> to add insult to injury... and extra dmg.. run lil caster run...
Earth Shock ----> we use this everytime you begin to cast another spell

keep blinking lil man You'll need it ...

then we repeat steps 1-3 and keep chasing you till you either A) run out of the duel zone (if dueling) or B) we catch you and beat you to a bloddy pulp...

Hehe

sorry to burst your bubble though...

[CerealKiller]

That's why I have a 60 Mage and a 60 Rogue for dumbass Shamans who are full of themselves like mlakrid.

You may beat my Mage but the moment you do I'm logging to my Rogue to hunt your filthy ass down and grief the hell out of you for the next 30 minutes.

CS, SS, gouge, get behind opponent, wait, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, wait 7-8 seconds, CS, SS, gouge, preparation, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, CS, SS, gouge, eviscerate. GG dead Shaman. kthxbye.

That is 3 full eviscerate finisher combos with complete stunlock. Two of these eviscerates are crits. There isn’t a player in the game who can withstand that much damage, ok champ.

Think about that next time you feel like such a badass mlakrid, that and the fact that you chose one of the easiest classes to play, you are not skilled you just hit your "easy" button and the class wins for you.

[Gretchen]

MLAKRID>>>

Uh.... you seemed to want to show JAVISCHAK that he was wrong to say that he (as a Mage) could beat most classes. The body of your argument however was that Shamans could easily lay waste to a Mage, thus dispelling his theory.

well... When reading his post I could see quite clearly that he recognized (and repeatedly implied) that Shamans were a Mages biggest challenge and that a Mage would be at a significant natural disadvantage. Basically without being too overt about it he said that a Shaman player of equal skill will own a Mage.

So, it wasn't really the 'wrong answer' ... and I don't imagine he suffered any bubble bursting trauma.

Just my observation.

But, anyway... back to the topic at hand.....

Priests hold the greatest natural advantage short of Shamans, who are the best, always. Paladins are good, but can be beaten by Priests and Mages (sometimes) - Rogues would be up there if not for the distinct nerfing that duelling subjects them to. The rest sort of wash together, none standing out as a particular best.

There are two aspects of Duelling that I feel differentiates them from actual PvP.

The first is preparation. This is a disadvantage mainly to Rogues. The element of surprise is one of their greatest assets and they lose it in a duel. *occasionally* they can get a stealthed opener off.... but that is a rare occasion (Personally, whenever I duel a Rogue I start with my back turned. I allow him to execute his stealthed opener. This is the only way that the duel will be useful for anything than a vain ego boost. Even then he still does not have a true element of surprise. So, I will allow a few precious moments go by before I react. It hurts, I know, but it is the only way to get an accurate idea and begin building strategies.)

Preparation is a a disadvantage to Mages as well, I feel. We benefit quite a bit from starting a fight at full range, and this is a luxury not often granted in duels. Typically my opponents will insist the duel begin point blank... or they will rush me during the countdown. This makes me lose any advantage I would gain from preparation. With the notable exception of being able to pull up the appropriate buffs... such as Dampen Magic vs a Caster.

The second aspect is the Unwritten Rules of Fair Play... that are strictly held in duels... but quickly forgotten in actual PvP. One would and ought to face ridicule and grief for quaffing a potion, or bandaging, or any such transgression of imbalance. In PvP however, there are no such rules. As a Mage I am able to bandage quite easily in PvP. Rogues/Priests/Warlocks/Druids are all able to do the same, though the Healers mentioned likely wouldn't need to. That is a huge advantage that other classes can't really do. It would put me at a 'disadvantage' in duelling to not be allowed to do this. More accurately it would take away an advantage I exploit.

All in all it would seem that, in duelling, Rogues suffer the greatest disadvantage. Next would be Mages, in my opinion.

[Koetjeka]

Shouldnt this thread be in the pvp section and not in the mage section?

[Spens]

CS, SS, gouge, get behind opponent, wait, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, wait 7-8 seconds, CS, SS, gouge, preparation, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, CS, SS, gouge, eviscerate. GG dead Shaman. kthxbye.
Typical Rogue, espicially with the grief threat and kthxbye at the end.

So you can blow all of your cooldowns, twice, to kill one guy? How exactly are you going to grief him? Kill him once every 10 minutes?

I'm sure you are one of those Rogues who boosts his ego by posting videos of fights where you own an unsupecting victim every 10 minutes and put some horrible punk rock music in the background. Nobody is really impressed that you took the easy way out when picking a Rogue, and nobody is really impressed that you use abuse going out of combat in the middle of a duel. We've seen it 100 times... every other 12 year old has done it too.

[Hollocaust]

Just like eric640 said, no Paladin should beat a Mage of equal level. Here is a post of mine from another thread on dueling:

In my experience (and I play a frost Mage level 45), Warriors are hands-down the easiest kill in PvP. They have nothing against our range and kiting abilities. Same goes for Rogue, but they are sneakier and deal more damage in a shorter amount of time so they are deadlier than Warriors. I am able to kill the Priests I encounter about 50% of the time, usually the only deciding factor is a well timed counterspell. Druid's have not given me as much trouble as Priests and Hunter PvP fights are easy once you poly the pet and get inside melee range. A Hunter with no pet and no ranged attacked = dead Hunter. After you freeze a Hunter with frostnova there is a sweet spot where you are out of melee range and where he is still unable to use ranged attacks. Warlocks and Shamans can be a pain in the ass. DoT, Fear, I aggro half the mobs in the area and die or totem, totem, lightning, die. Warlocks being the easier of the two to kill but still a pain. I don't fight Paladins too often because I am on the alliance side, but the few duels I have had with them I have won. They do however have this annoying invincibility move, but once you move past that and counter thier healing they are just like Warriors.

Your worst nightmare will be the mage that is smarter or quicker than you, he/she knows all your tricks and uses them against you.

I agree.

I'm also a Ice Mage 46 and i had a similar experience to yours. Major exception being that i am Undead, witch makes my life easier against Warlocks (can become immune to Fear with a race instant). The ones that gave me hard time were Priests and Arcane Mages. One big advantage against casters is Ice Block, because they think it will go away after some damage, so they keep attacking and wasting mana.

From what i saw, overall the best duel class is an Ice Mage Undead hehe. Shadow Priest are also very good.

[CerealKiller]

Typical Rogue, espicially with the grief threat and kthxbye at the end.

So you can blow all of your cooldowns, twice, to kill one guy? How exactly are you going to grief him? Kill him once every 10 minutes?

I'm sure you are one of those Rogues who boosts his ego by posting videos of fights where you own an unsupecting victim every 10 minutes and put some horrible punk rock music in the background. Nobody is really impressed that you took the easy way out when picking a Rogue, and nobody is really impressed that you use abuse going out of combat in the middle of a duel. We've seen it 100 times... every other 12 year old has done it too.

Wow someone is really bitter and jaded. Let me guess, you play a Mage but still have no idea how to beat Rogues? Well don't come here projecting your anger onto us because you suck. The only 10 min cooldown that I used was Preparation, and in case you haven't noticed when you rez you only have about 25% life, thus making the above 3 part combo unnecessary once I get the first kill. In fact after the first kill and you rez you wouldn't even survive the 1st part of that combo meaning I wouldn't need to wait for Prep to cooldown.

Took the easy way out by playing Rogue? You need to understand this, just because YOU cannot beat a Rogue doesn't mean they are over-powered or an "easy" class. As the above combo shows it takes perfect timing, position, and complex keystrokes. It is EXTREMELY difficult to achieve complete stun-lock. Just because there are an over abundance of Rogues and most of them kill you spamming Sinister Strike don't assume the class is easy. Any half decent Mage can completely massacre 80% of all Rogues, and there are plenty of other classes that give Rogues a hard time. Also if you bothered to read the entire thread, my Rogue and my attitude only came out after the over-confident and full of himself Shaman starting posting. If you paid any attention to the game you would know THEY are the easy class.

Abuse going out of combat? Well excuse me for using one of my INHERENT abilities! So I guess when frost Mages uses Frostbolt and Cone of Cold and Frost Nova they are “abusing” kiting people? You should probably give up playing WoW and stick with a game that doesn’t raise your blood pressure so much, perhaps some variation of Super Puzzle Fighter is a little more your speed.

[Spens]

You didn't make one good point. Just because most Rogues I meet are assholes, ones that love to gank in lowbie zones, don't know **** about their class, and wouldn't think twice about ninjalooting, doesn't mean I can't beat them.

I'm just sick of Rogues like you that think they are God's gift to earth because they were able to pick a Rogue, and then they have to brag about it on a forum.

I'll respond to you like you responded to the Shaman:


"This is why I have a Shaman and a Mage to pwn silly over confident n00bs like yourself.

LOL You kill my Shaman with a Rogue? I'll get on my Mage and pwn you so fast. Poly + AP + Fireball + PoM Pyro + Fireblast+ COC + Nova + Blink + Fireball + Fireblast + COC then AoE to finish you n00b. GTFO Kthxbia. If you don't Spirit Res I camp you for atleast an hour.

You pick the n00b class to play, think you are gosu, but I will pwn you so bad lolololololol."


Makes me sound like a prick, eh? Looks a lot like your post. =(

[CerealKiller]

As everyone can see, you have absolutely no problem looking like a prick even without attempting to imitate someone. I bet it’s not just all the Rogues you meet that are assholes I bet you think a lot of people are. So let’s see here, what’s the common factor in all of your dealings with all the Rogues you meet and everyone else you encounter… hmmmmm… wait no don’t tell me. Could it be YOU?!

I’m going to go out on a limb here and point the finger at you but I’m sure you’ll continue to live in denial, perception is reality. Since you have been so emotionally scarred from Rogues griefing you when you were a lowbie I find it hard to believe you don’t mention Hunters. They are almost equal in numbers and equally responsible for camping lowbies, maybe they are the “easy” class! Kinda sounds like anyone who gets the drop on you (which sounds like everyone) is the “easy” class. Stop blaming every class for all your inadequacies, and just own up to the fact that maybe this game isn’t for you.

You came here to attempt to prove a point by making yourself look like a jackass, well mission accomplished Spens. Oh, and don’t forget to keep looking over your shoulder… you never know when the boogeyman Rogue might jump out and get ya! BOO!!!

[Gretchen]

Mages have nothing to complain about vs a Rogue. If they don't pull of their stunlock like a pro, you blink out having hardly been scratched, poly, bandage what little damage was done, Mana Shield, then launch your own combo back at them. I am really looking forward to being stunlocked, so far even gankers can never pull it off. I run from Priests and Shamans, if I know a Rogue is around - I don't run. Even with their opener, its a fair shot for the win. They are a challenge but not an impossibility.

Poly fails is same as if their opener fails. They can sneak up on us... that is their one advantage. Poly is same thing in my eyes. Rogues have to maneuver around and get behind without being seen. We have to push a hotkey and they are helpless. There you have it.

I think ganking is a powertrip mentality. Running around unseen can put anyone on a powertrip. I know the feeling of "Wow, I wonder if I can kill them in a perfect stunlock!?' That is a temptation that would, I fear, overtake me personally. People with less scruples and less ability need to lower their horizons a little... hence Rogue gankers.

A lvl 38 rogue got caught red-handed by yours truly shortly after a series of uncouth ganks. He was full health full energy but wasn't stealthed. One poly later he didn't stand a chance unless he got some lucky resists. I was lvl 35. Now, just seeing that one might say that Mages and poly are Uber.

Rogues can't blink out of Poly.

-Miriam

[urban savage]

good post gretchen, i hope that's sorted some bickering out.

and its impossible to stunlock a mage with blink.

[mlakrid]

That's why I have a 60 Mage and a 60 Rogue for dumbass Shamans who are full of themselves like mlakrid.

You may beat my Mage but the moment you do I'm logging to my Rogue to hunt your filthy ass down and grief the hell out of you for the next 30 minutes.

CS, SS, gouge, get behind opponent, wait, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, wait 7-8 seconds, CS, SS, gouge, preparation, cold blood, eviscerate, blind, vanish, CS, SS, gouge, eviscerate. GG dead Shaman. kthxbye.

That is 3 full eviscerate finisher combos with complete stunlock. Two of these eviscerates are crits. There isn’t a player in the game who can withstand that much damage, ok champ.

Think about that next time you feel like such a badass mlakrid, that and the fact that you chose one of the easiest classes to play, you are not skilled you just hit your "easy" button and the class wins for you.

LOL an easy button? HA! shamans are not "Easy" to play if you want easy... Play a mage... the standard.. sheep get back to maxe raneg throw biggest spell.. frost nova... throw another big spell

LOL... what an Arse... anyway.. I dont stand toe to toe with warriors OR rogues I frost shock and kite you... and if I know your going to "try" and beat me down face to face I simply frostbrand my weapon, wait til it procs, drop an earthbind run just out of your reach, IGW and run away to heal up and come back for more...

You see, Im a elem/enchancement shaman, I will get you If I play it right...

If you catch me napping sure you WILL get me, if I know you're there, unless you got somene to root me.. you aint catching me, Im only 25th level, and I outrun people with EPIC +100% move mounts all because: "you cant mount while in combat" that extra 3 seconds is all I need... catch me if you can...

name: Taug Server: Lightnings Blade.. but if you are going to be a rogue to kill me you need ot be alliance, Im already horde... LOL

My Badass if you want to call him that is my Warlock who kills mages and rogues in almost every battle he has been in... with the exception of the UD rogue who tore me a new one like no ones business... *wince* *rubs his arse*

lastly, before you go off thinking you know what someone is thinking why don't you ask??

[mlakrid]

MLAKRID>>>

Uh.... you seemed to want to show JAVISCHAK that he was wrong to say that he (as a Mage) could beat most classes. The body of your argument however was that Shamans could easily lay waste to a Mage, thus dispelling his theory.

Just my observation.

But, anyway... back to the topic at hand.....

Priests hold the greatest natural advantage short of Shamans, who are the best, always.

There are two aspects of Duelling that I feel differentiates them from actual PvP.

All in all it would seem that, in duelling, Rogues suffer the greatest disadvantage. Next would be Mages, in my opinion.

Ok I see your point about the "wrong answer" part of my post. and Yes he did say they were one of his biggest challenges.. but it seemed as though he was saying he cuold beat them if they werent careful... my point: a shaman that knows what hes doing should beat a mage CONSERVATIVELY estimated (98%) of the time... the other 2 % being where they just dont know their own abilities or waste mana on unneccessary frost or flame shocks...

As I also said we routinely get OWNED by rogues or warrios, maybe we dont get killed, but we have to earthbind, frost shock, run away IGW and run away to a safe distance and return only when you adequately mentioned "are prepared"

Mages are without a doubt the most damaging, I was just pointing out in a class vs class basis... sorry I came off wrong...

[Gretchen]

if you want easy... Play a mage... the standard.. sheep get back to maxe raneg throw biggest spell.. frost nova... throw another big spell


Mage.... easy class? Mage, like many classes are precision. In order to win with a Mage the ultimate precision is required. The only thing I can think of that requires more is good Rogue combos - like Stunlock.

In order to beat a Shaman we must be flawless in execution and ingeniously adaptable to changes and strategies. I would agree that Mages are very routine in PvE (who isn't?), but not at all in PvP... our processes may be standard, but the timing of those processes is extremely important and difficult. Sometimes I pull it off flawlessly and own them, sometimes I don't and get owned. Mages die fast, and thus our battles are quite intense and hang on each moment, moreso in ways than many other classes. Just keeping time against a Shamans cooldowns is meticulously difficult.

I'm not saying that Shamans are an easy class, I am saying that Mages aren't either (though I will say that Shamans have a natural advantage against a Mage, so much so that if I beat a equal lvl Shaman I feel it an accomplishment, where the same would not be true in reverse).

Heck, no class is easy, if you intend to win. Simply put, if you are a Shaman and you beat a Mage in equal combat and you are in the red at the end, consider it a defeat. That player has more skill than you.... and it wasn't easy for him.

-Miriam

[mlakrid]

Heck, no class is easy, if you intend to win. Simply put, if you are a Shaman and you beat a Mage in equal combat and you are in the red at the end, consider it a defeat. That player has more skill than you.... and it wasn't easy for him.

-Miriam

point taken...

I still hate sheep

LOL!

[Zilla]

I dunno about other classes but as far as mages are concerned they're defenitly not an easy class to play with and require lots of micro in order to stay alive.

[Alfamari]

How do u play the GAME (not forrums)? please

[Alfamari]

point taken...

I still hate sheep

LOL!
I agree but how do u play the game (not forrums)? please

[Steamboat]

Imo the answer is cut and dried: Warlock. In particular a Soul Link warlock.

In real pvp, the warlock is fairly balanced because it's not easy to switch pets on the fly, even if you're built for it.

But in a duel, a warlock can choose the right pet vs. whatever class he's up against. And an SL warlock effectively has a ridiculous amount of stamina.

Duels ultimately aren't a real measure of anything, but I can't see any way you could argue against the warlock as the best class in a duel. They have a counter for every class - it's just a matter of having the right pet. And in a duel, they'll have the right pet.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Why you didn't see warlock in this thread is self explanatory... this thread was started in a mage forum. Most mages generally would like to consider warlocks as Mages with less damage and that annoying fear thing. So not the case. I think they get caught up in the OMG Frostbolts 2500 crit. Forgetting that Shadowbolts aren't exactly weaksauce and they are just as likely to be two shotted by a shadowbolt/shadowburn follow up if the bolt crits.

Shadow Priests whole tree is just built for PvP it seems to me an personally they seem to be the toughest. Although I have to qualify that somewhat because I am horde and don't get the opportunity to fight against shamans as often as other classes and for that reason I'll just leave them out of my list altogether. After Shadow Priests I'd go with locks...

[Idol]

If I don't get knocked out of stealth, and my stuns aren't resisted I can take down any class without taking any damage. The only exception is Mage, because of that damn blink.

Like someone before me said, Rogues are at a natural disadvantage in duels. If someone knows we're around its quite easy to knock us out of stealth, and then it becomes a lot harder for us.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Yes... rogues are built for ganking... not fighting.

[Mincemaker]

Yes... rogues are built for ganking... not fighting.

In other words, rogues are made to fight dirty, not fight fair. That's how I win most of my fights in open PVP: I fight dirty.

In duels, despite having the ability to pull off a decent stunlock, I always had my face rubbed against the floor. No surprise = you lose.

However, I can agree that Warlocks seem to be decent in every aspect of PVP. Never had I see a Warlock who had never succeeded in repelling a ganking Warrior, or a Warlock who can never blow a Mage into pieces in duels, or Warlocks who can't demolish large number of enemies in a BG.

[somecatchyphrase]

wow,i keep reading how everyone says that shammys are good at duels, but i have a 50 enchants shamman and i always get my ass kicked, especialy by rouges, am i doing something wrong? should i be owning and just not knowing how?

[NocturneNight]

What class do you think does the best in 1v1 duels, also please write why you feel that way.

Who cares? Last time I checked, you didn't get HKs from duels. Get out and see some real pvp instead.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Question: What exactly do HKs get you in the real world?

Answer: The exact same thing winning duel gets you in the real world... Nothing

Moral of the Story: Maybe some people just enjoy dueling and don't need an HK in order to make it worthwhile.

[Phelix]

Warlocks with Soul link owns in duels..

But really, any class can win any other class if you are good.

[xxlebox]

In other words, rogues are made to fight dirty, not fight fair. That's how I win most of my fights in open PVP: I fight dirty.

In duels, despite having the ability to pull off a decent stunlock, I always had my face rubbed against the floor. No surprise = you lose.

However, I can agree that Warlocks seem to be decent in every aspect of PVP. Never had I see a Warlock who had never succeeded in repelling a ganking Warrior, or a Warlock who can never blow a Mage into pieces in duels, or Warlocks who can't demolish large number of enemies in a BG.


Maybe that's why the meaning of rogue is: scoundrel.
It's a bandit, thief, ambusher. :)

[NocturneNight]

Question: What exactly do HKs get you in the real world?

Answer: The exact same thing winning duel gets you in the real world... Nothing

Moral of the Story: Maybe some people just enjoy dueling and don't need an HK in order to make it worthwhile.

I suck at duels, because the small area outside IF doesn't really allow me to kite. And most rogues will be at a severe disadvantage in most cases; this is why I don't like duels. Duels favor the straightforward and "fair" classes, such as mages, warriors etc.

Another problem is the gear. I once fought a mage who twoshotted me using trinkets, after that I wanted to duel him again, but he refused because he had "cooldowns". Duels in wow are not about skill, they're about classes and gear.

A mage who can turn the tide while being happlessly ambushed by a rogue, or a hunter that can survive the onslaught of a charging warrior from the middle of nowhere are skilled in my opinion.

[Oatmealsmurf]

It depends on who you fight... battlegrounds and world pvp aren't always about skill either because 99% of the time you aren't two people at full health fighting one on one. One or both of you most likely is lower on mana or health than you typically would be and the fight will likely be interrupted by one side or the other.

It's all relative. I don't particularly enjoy or seek out dueling either but I don't see any reason to knock those who do... and I don't see how world pvp or bgs determine skill anymore than a duel will. There are all sorts of situations you can find yourself in that won't allow you to kite or will put a certain class at a disadvantage. I could just as easily a truly skilled rogue is one where his enemy knows he's coming and he still wins... or a hunter who doesn't have to fall back on kiting.

I certainly understand not liking something you suck at though.

[NocturneNight]

It depends on who you fight... battlegrounds and world pvp aren't always about skill either because 99% of the time you aren't two people at full health fighting one on one. One or both of you most likely is lower on mana or health than you typically would be and the fight will likely be interrupted by one side or the other.

It's all relative. I don't particularly enjoy or seek out dueling either but I don't see any reason to knock those who do... and I don't see how world pvp or bgs determine skill anymore than a duel will. There are all sorts of situations you can find yourself in that won't allow you to kite or will put a certain class at a disadvantage. I could just as easily a truly skilled rogue is one where his enemy knows he's coming and he still wins... or a hunter who doesn't have to fall back on kiting.

I certainly understand not liking something you suck at though.

Problem I have is seeing all of these Askhandi warriors, or trinket mages etc flexing their muscles outside IF. They think they are really skilled, but then someone jumps them in BRM they don't have a clue of what to do.

Duels are not real, they are just practice; a, "friendly test of combat skill". Practice which you then go and employ in the battlegrounds or outdoor - sure, outdoor pvp is dead, but will (hopefully) be reintroduced in 1.12. When people think that dueling is pvp, Blizzard have already failed.

For that last remark, yeah I suck at duels. On the other hand it's quite obvious, because I couldn't give a rats arse about it.

[Mincemaker]

Maybe that's why the meaning of rogue is: scoundrel.
It's a bandit, thief, ambusher. :)

Well, we are bandits, thieves and ambushers.

Motto of the Rogue: We lie, we cheat, we steal.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Like I said it depends... I can think of a lot of encounters that mirrored dueling circumstances in PvP. I think trinket mages and the like are pretty cowardly for not wanting to duel on cooldown... after all it's just a duel, so what if you lose... but they earned their trinket so why shouldn't they use it? And how is that any different from having to face off against someone who just downed a flask prior to entering battlegrounds and typically you'd never catch him out in the world using something so valuable.

Like I said... all relative. Duels are about fighting... and so naturally rogues have a hard time with it.... because most don't fight... they gank. But to say duelers aren't skilled is sour grapes to me. I don't duel much but I have dueled some very skilled people who weren't using trinkets. It's just as much of an imbalance when you come up against someone in BGs and they've burned their cooldowns on their last fight while you have all yours. Also there are other places to duel besides out in front of Ironforge.

I see a lot of people rack up impressive BGs numbers by poaching kills and running. *shrug* A matter of perspective I suppose.

[DarkneSSteva]

Originally Posted by Romeo19
What class do you think does the best in 1v1 duels, also please write why you feel that way.


The top 1:1 duelists are (in no particular order) mage, priest, paladin, shaman.
The worst 1:1 classes are warriors, rogues and druids.


omg omg omg omg omg OMFG !!! rogues are the worst ha ? hhahahahhahahahahahahahaahhaahahhah what kind of a sick retarded noob are you ? and mages can pwn every other class ?hahahahahahahahahha ,****ing idiots.... mage can be killed by any other class if a guy knows what is keyboard ,lol. And the one reason of that is 'PVP TRINKET" i think you all know what that is , and cuz of that any magic caster can do a blow job to rogue, decent opponent to rogue is warrior ,and hunter , but if a rogue is skilled like me , he can beat them 2. And the 2nd thing is that when rogue decide to kill someone he always ganks him, cuz that is the point of rogue ,stealth and amush someone 2 half of the hp ,then do some stuns get 5 combo points and your target is certainly dead cuz of eviscerate .So my advice to you (if you wanna have a real pvp class ,choose rogue , and don't listen to those retards like this guy that i replyd) choose rogue for destroying ppl on your realm. have fun...:)

[kevagron]

The moron:sensible ratio just went screaming back up with that last post :grin:

[Krald]

I'm too lazy to check if anyone pointed this out.. but half of this topic is 1 year old.. necro posting ftw?

[Ezzaral]

The moron:sensible ratio just went screaming back up with that last post :grin:
/agree
Darknessteva, please constrain your unintelligible garbage-spouting to the blizz forums please.

[Shellar]

The second aspect is the Unwritten Rules of Fair Play... that are strictly held in duels... but quickly forgotten in actual PvP. One would and ought to face ridicule and grief for quaffing a potion, or bandaging, or any such transgression of imbalance.
I've always opposed the idea of the "consumables = cheating" idea. To me, it seems like a meaningless carryover from D2 days, when potions could be drunk in rapid succession. However, this isn't D2, and I fail to see how an ability that is available to all players, has a 2-minute cooldown, and encourages tactical planning (should I spend the potion now, so that the cooldown would expire sooner, or should I wait?) is "unbalancing" or otherwise detrimental to the enjoyment of the game.

Besides, it is rather unfair that blacksmiths, leatherworkers, tailors and enchanters get to enjoy the fruits of their labours in duels, while poor alchemists "ought to face ridicule" for doing so.

[Aerath]

And, mind you, Blind+Bandage is a favourite trick of Rogues.

If someone gets in such a position that they -can- bandage, they deserve it.

//edit: Anyway, those sort of silly arbitrary rules are exactly why I don't duel.

[bdenniso]

I didnt read all the post but i read sum with obvious mages posting, saying thaT they own pallies all the time. I found this pretty funny. I got a hunter(main), warrior, Pally and preist.
When i duel agianst a mage with my pally i loose about 30% of the time. Now i will be the first to admit that theres lots of nub pallies out there, but played half decent def. makes them a vaible emeny of a mage.
if the mage is frost, we got Blessing of freedom (not impared by movement affects). b4 they blink use hammer, judge crusader, seal of righteousness and lay down conseration. by the time they blink u shud have them easily down to half,..then just heal...really soon! never fall below half health. repeat cycle. and ontop of that if u use seal of judement(i think thats wat its called) when it procs it stuns,,,very useful against caster
Also when u get to later lvs.. u get this beutiful thing called eye for an eye that utterly dissolves mages. basically they recieve half the dmg u do when they crit on you...i have more health and i can heal...they can die lol.
also rogues shud kill priest, mages like 100% of the time and locks about 80%. thats wat thier made to do.I can see them loosing to those classes if thier opponent knows there in a fight with them(by AoE to bring them out of stealth) but rogues r suppose to be sneaky and unfair and shud always get the first shot in that = dead cloth wearer..
that being said, best class for duelling shadow preist/ warlock...id put the warlock first(retarded amount of health at high lvs)..even if you kill them, you usually die afterwards due to those annoying dots

sorry about spelling ...in a rush

[bdenniso]

I've always opposed the idea of the "consumables = cheating" idea. To me, it seems like a meaningless carryover from D2 days, when potions could be drunk in rapid succession. However, this isn't D2, and I fail to see how an ability that is available to all players, has a 2-minute cooldown, and encourages tactical planning (should I spend the potion now, so that the cooldown would expire sooner, or should I wait?) is "unbalancing" or otherwise detrimental to the enjoyment of the game.

Besides, it is rather unfair that blacksmiths, leatherworkers, tailors and enchanters get to enjoy the fruits of their labours in duels, while poor alchemists "ought to face ridicule" for doing so.

I dont think taking potions/consumables is cheating at all. but i definately dont agree with you that you shud take them in "rapid succession". actually thats one of the worste thing ive every heard sum one say...i cant belive i actually have to point this out. If you were able to drink potion after potion wat would be the use of any healing class? nothing, everyone would walk around with a crap load of health and an endless bar of mana...wat would be the point of investing time into getting items with int..if ur low on mana just chug back... horrible idea..and it will never be implemented

[bdenniso]

wow i had no idea how old these post were

[Mincemaker]

Check the date next time man.

[Schift]

I dont think taking potions/consumables is cheating at all. but i definately dont agree with you that you shud take them in "rapid succession". actually thats one of the worste thing ive every heard sum one say...i cant belive i actually have to point this out. If you were able to drink potion after potion wat would be the use of any healing class? nothing, everyone would walk around with a crap load of health and an endless bar of mana...wat would be the point of investing time into getting items with int..if ur low on mana just chug back... horrible idea..and it will never be implemented

lol he wasn't even talking about WoW - he was making a reference to d2 = Diablo 2 where there were no healing classes - only mana/health pot spamming with no cooldowns, don't worry, you're right, WoW won't implement this kind of a pot system :tongue:

This started as a decent thread topic but by about..oh... the 1st reply it began degrading pretty badly. I'm just bored at work so I'll add my 2c. This game is a constant battle for blizzard trying to balance out the classes in pvp and pve - nerf one because its OP against another and now a third is OP vs. the first. Gear, spec, and skill (not necessarily in that order) all have a ton to do with the outcome of a duel with any two classes (not to mention lag and luck). There are no 100% e.z. mode classes against other - all classes should be able to beat other classes, though some being much tougher than others. I'm actually happy that no one mentioned feral druids in their post because it means the majority of feral druids aren't a threat to others in duels and gives me (feral druid) an advantage to the unsuspecting opponent. I've found that my feral druid is my best dueller (I'm obviously most familiar and skilled with my own favorite class and therefore, biased) because of the adaptability vs. casters and melee and having heals and being unkiteable. Ferals, however have the same disadvantage of preparation as rogues do in duels. I duel for practice to hone my skills and learn other classes' strengths and weaknesses better in pvp situations - I never expect it to be a replication of world/bg/arena pvp because they are never the same time after time anyways. I guess my point is there are too many variables to pick a single best duelling class against all the other classes.

edit: I didn't mean anything against those of you who posted your opinions without getting too "passionate" - for those that I was referring to, just remember its only a game, and if someone thinks they can 'own' you, don't take it so personally, prove them (their class) wrong in game and feel good about it to yourself rather than ranting about what combo of moves you could use to beat them on a forum- its never the same anyways, duels are all about adapting and changing strategies on the go.

[nosoup4crr]

Any answer to this question is completely dependent on level. However, at 70...

1. A soul linked warlock with the right pet out
2. Shaman
3. A hunter who starts at range

[Xtemplar]

I dont see so many people think rogues are a bad pvp class, the only class's i cant manage to beat 1v1 are warriors and paladins, sometimes mages if i cant sprint up to them in time after they use blink.

[Arthengel]

Is there any class having an easy time with feral druids?

Locks maybe?

[Lazt]

lmfao... whoever thinks any class has a chance against another class?

There is NO CHANCE that a warlock, can beat another warlock. Just wont happen....... Never.

[runfast]

You didn't make one good point. Just because most Rogues I meet are assholes, ones that love to gank in lowbie zones, don't know **** about their class, and wouldn't think twice about ninjalooting, doesn't mean I can't beat them.

I'm just sick of Rogues like you that think they are God's gift to earth because they were able to pick a Rogue, and then they have to brag about it on a forum.

I'll respond to you like you responded to the Shaman:


"This is why I have a Shaman and a Mage to pwn silly over confident n00bs like yourself.

LOL You kill my Shaman with a Rogue? I'll get on my Mage and pwn you so fast. Poly + AP + Fireball + PoM Pyro + Fireblast+ COC + Nova + Blink + Fireball + Fireblast + COC then AoE to finish you n00b. GTFO Kthxbia. If you don't Spirit Res I camp you for atleast an hour.

You pick the n00b class to play, think you are gosu, but I will pwn you so bad lolololololol."


Makes me sound like a prick, eh? Looks a lot like your post. =(


wow this kid is a newb. 1st off, cerial never cam off as a prick... Your first sentance of ur first post did. u get on ur mage to fight cerial, maybe he would just hop bak on his and mage v mage fight? i think that would settle the fact that ur penis is small and cerial is 200 times better than u AND he isnt an asshole.

[Lazt]

Even though this post is old... i have to... i just have to say it!

WARLOCK > ALL @ DUELS!

Warlock vs Mage = ( Easy ) -- Felhunter
Warlock vs Hunter = ( Easy ) -- VoidWalker Yes even BM.... dot dot dot drainlife tank..... after beast within dethcoil drain life...... easy easy easy (stay close when you can, but drain life is more important than getting close... dont run to them if your running very slow and obviously not making it to them!)
Warlock vs Druid = ( Medium ) -- Felhunter 1st duel (May varry after 1st duel)
Warlock vs Paladin = ( Easy ) -- Felhunter
Warlock vs Warrior = ( Easy ) -- Void Walker unless they out gear you, then medium possibly hard - yes same as bm hunter, DOT DOT DOT by now your down enough to dc and drain some more!
Warlock vs Rogue = ( Medium - hard ) -- Fel hunter 1st duel... If they are to good and I can NOT stop their opener then ill switch to void walker if I KNOW they are going to open on me anyway.... Not quite as easy if they are smart... Any rogue that blows his CoS early is probably easy... unless of course they out gear you.. Its very important to save DC until after CoS... only reason you cant outlast CoS is if you dont have Soul Link or if they grossly out gear you! Even if they out gear you, unless they have the poison on to slow casting, they are still easy because after CoS you can DC + chain fear them depending on class.. but fear is not "normally" required against rogues..
Warlock vs Shaman = ( Easy-Medium ) Felhunter normally, possibly change depending how the shamn plays.. If the shammy is decent can be medium, normally easy though
Warlock vs Priest = ( Medium ) -- Felhunter meh..
Warlock vs Warlock = ( Spec + skill dependant obviously ) - Fel hunter ofc

I am still wearing rares... a few epics but not many.... So....... The ONLY ones I have really found to be "hard" are people who out gear me, and generally only warriors or rogues...

I am also 24/37/0 spec... other specs may not be the same.

And he** yea I use my healthstone and Sacrifice!

Maybe just because I duel a lot, and have plenty of practice against all class's / specs....... But none the less the fact that warlock is capable of beating EVERYTHING.. Lock is best pvp hands down! I challenge ANYONE to prove differently!! (Andorhal!)

:)

If your equally geared to me, and you can beat me (lock) then omgwtfpownage ill bow down to your godliness!!!!!! But doubt it will happen! Lock IS #1

Even epix normally lose... if your warrior or rogue you might do decently against me.. possibly even win if your really good! with superior gear.... but i challenge anyone to prove locks not op!

[Pongle]

sl/SL Warlock should beat anything currently.

Post patch they shouldn't be beating good rogues.

[Mincemaker]

Do you guys ever bother to check the last post date on this thread? The last post date was 6 months ago. This is a dead thread!

Enough with playing necromancer here.

[Durpia]

It's all rock paper sisors.

if all classes are played correctly

Priest > mage
rogue > priest
paladin > mage
Mage > rogue
mage > warrior

Yes, skill does come into the picture but 9 out of 10 times one class has a sure fire way to kill another class.

All round the best classes are paladin and shaman.

I'm a 70 mage, and i have never lost a duel to a paladin. But have lost duels to rogue's and warrior's...Same goes with priests, it's rare that I will lose one to them.

[Lazt]

Do you guys ever bother to check the last post date on this thread? The last post date was 6 months ago. This is a dead thread!

Enough with playing necromancer here.

Did you not read ?

Even though this post is old... i have to... i just have to say it!

WARLOCK > ALL @ DUELS!


We know its an old post, is there a rule some where that says no replying to old posts??

[Lazt]

I'm a 70 mage, and i have never lost a duel to a paladin. But have lost duels to rogue's and warrior's...Same goes with priests, it's rare that I will lose one to them.

Notice you'll never see

?? > Lock

lol

And yes I agree mages are excellent in duels as well. My alt is mage, and i love it!

[tabstercat]

warlocks = fear dot dot fear dot dot
But then again i can own locks on my rogue stealth - cheapshot - mutialte - kidney shot - and rinse and repeat