Ways to increase ppl that play horde characters..

[DrWh0]

As most of you already know , the ratio of the amount of players playing with horde character to that playing with alliance ones is sthing 1 to 8.
( numbers may vary depending on the source of info and of course the server, but in most cases it fluctuates between 1:6 to 1:12 !!! )

I find this to be totally annoying , not to mention that it constitutes a huge threat for the future of the game.

I can definitely think some reasons for that.
One is rather obvious and it is nothing else than young kids or immature ppl that just love playing with the good guys or the coolest and best looking characters in the game. ( perhaps that is why NE are everywhere).

I would also like to point out some other reasons as well
1) Horde character models just SUCK. Even orcs, that I expected to be the most popular and "coolest" race in the game - mostly due to their main "starring" role and heroic/noble presentation at WC 3 - are very badly drawn. Not to mention undead or tauren.
2) The Horde major cities are pathetic looking compared to the majestic architectural buildings of IF or SW.

What do you guys think are the reasons for this bad ratio?
What are your suggestion to fix this and not have sthing like 1 :20 ) horde : alliance)players by next summer.

[DrWh0]

Reposting because above message is in trouble





As most of you already know , the ratio of the amount of players playing with horde character to that playing with alliance ones is sthing 1 to 8.
( numbers may vary depending on the source of info and of course the server, but in most cases it fluctuates between 1:6 to 1:12 !!! )

I find this to be totally annoying , not to mention that it constitutes a huge threat for the future of the game.

I can definitely think some reasons for that.
One is rather obvious and it is nothing else than young kids or immature ppl that just love playing with the good guys or the coolest and best looking characters in the game. ( perhaps that is why NE are everywhere).

I would also like to point out some other reasons as well
1) Horde character models just SUCK. Even orcs, that I expected to be the most popular and "coolest" race in the game - mostly due to their main "starring" role and heroic/noble presentation at WC 3 - are very badly drawn. Not to mention undead or tauren.
2) The Horde major cities are pathetic looking compared to the majestic architectural buildings of IF or SW.

What do you guys think are the reasons for this bad ratio?
What are your suggestion to fix this and not have sthing like 1 :20 ) horde : alliance)players by next summer.

[ratbert]

1- you're figures are way off. If my source is right (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/censusdisplay.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=10&maxlevel=60&servertypeid=-1) it should be:

Total Alliance:
375,462

Total Horde:
212,995

This is far from a catastrophy, although some servers might be much more un-even. In fact, alot of people like playing the underdog and for them this as good as it gets.

2- About the models, everyone has different tastes. I'd say that the worst models are the male humans, male elf and female dwarf. To me, they are completely out of the question, while all horde models are good to great, the female undead, male tauren and female troll occupying the top positions.

3-Citywise I'd say that the elves have the most boring city and land, but that's just me.

Basically, you can't please all, and there are ALOT of people who are not at all bothered by the apparent un-balance when it comes to server population. A much more imporant issue would be the imbalances in PvP that would stem from some races having better racial skills than others, and this is a much bigger issue since it is only in PvP that population balances really matter. In PvE I'd rather play with the small faction so you don't need to compete for spawns as much.

These are my 2c at least.

[murloc_dreadlord]

As most of you already know , the ratio of the amount of players playing with horde character to that playing with alliance ones is sthing 1 to 8.
( numbers may vary depending on the source of info and of course the server, but in most cases it fluctuates between 1:6 to 1:12 !!! )

I find this to be totally annoying , not to mention that it constitutes a huge threat for the future of the game.

I can definitely think some reasons for that.
One is rather obvious and it is nothing else than young kids or immature ppl that just love playing with the good guys or the coolest and best looking characters in the game. ( perhaps that is why NE are everywhere).

I would also like to point out some other reasons as well
1) Horde character models just SUCK. Even orcs, that I expected to be the most popular and "coolest" race in the game - mostly due to their main "starring" role and heroic/noble presentation at WC 3 - are very badly drawn. Not to mention undead or tauren.
2) The Horde major cities are pathetic looking compared to the majestic architectural buildings of IF or SW.

What do you guys think are the reasons for this bad ratio?
What are your suggestion to fix this and not have sthing like 1 :20 ) horde : alliance)players by next summer.

I totally agree with you! It's like everybody is playing Alliance! And it's obviously because the Gnomes are just so cool that everybody wants to play them - so my solution is to move Gnomes over to Horde, that way several hundred thousand players will immediately change faction. People are more likelyto listen your opinion better if you avoid the petty name calling -XaToM :thumbsup:

[Stiganamatic]

I actually played the Alliance because everyone I knew was going to join the Horde. I had no idea that the Alliance would end up getting the Player Advantage until I was already well into the game.
I would like to switch over, but my character's almost level 60 and I'm wary of having to start over completely from scratch. I'm hoping that as the game continues, the servers will even out, but who knows.

[DrWh0]

The issue that i brought up at this thread has already been discussed a number of times at the official forum.
Check the following link
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-suggestions&T=53447&P=1 .
I agree in most of the issues that are adressed at the first post.

Someone questioned the validity of the numbers and ratio stated .
Perhaps the numbers stated above are exaggerated but they are not far off
http://www.wowcensus.com/overall_stats.php
1:2 !!!
In some servers the factions are so uneven it is getting ridiculous !!!
http://www.wowcensus.com/realm_stats.php?realm=draenor
http://www.wowcensus.com/realm_stats.php?realm=eredar

Do some research and you ll find that in most servers the faction ratio is 1:2 or 1:3.

It seems that everyone and his dog has created a human/nightelf character.
Those 2 races actually comprise 45% !!!! of the total number of players ( out of 8 races !!!! )

Reasons for that, are so easy to understand ,that it seems weird that blizzard did not see this coming
- Young or immature players ( unlike more RPoriented and older aged ones) enjoy playing with the "good" guys!!!

- Young or immature players ( unlike more RPoriented and older aged ones) , that de facto constitute the majority of MMORG crowd , prefer playing with COOL character. Night elves, that are supposed to be rare, hard to find almost unique forest creatures are the MOST POPULAR race in the whole game!!!!

- Everything that has to do with development is 100 times richer at the alliances faction !!! ( blame blizzard for this )
Whether it is quests , locations, sceneries and eye candy, cities and flight paths, buildings etc
It seems that the devs have spended much more time working on alliance than the horde.

Before WoW was released, i had been expecting a huge horde faction, simply because the Orcs were the starring race of WC3. Orcs got the postlight and actually were presented in a heroic noble way.
I expected that every kid out there would prefer playing Thrall or his valiant friend ( Groll i think or sthing) that gave his life for the horde. Instead of a pink !!! elf or pathetic human ( gnomes and dwarves are cool though :smile4: yet they are the least popular alliance races)
But i was so wrong!!!



What i would like to hear from ppl that actually
a) acknowledge this issue ( and not try to convnince us that there is no issue at all)

b) understand that this unevenness can be hazardous to WoW future and longetivity
( perhaps not now that most players are noobs and low lvl, but think what will happen in a few months, when PvP servers will be flooded with 3:1 alliance players lvl 60 - Or even worse try to predict the game's future if by next year, the overall ratio is 1:4 or 1:5 !!!

offer some suggestions that would make new players play that orc/troll/tauren/undead character instead of another (cool!!! or awesome!!! looking) graceful purple elf rogue or hunter.

[Beatboxer]

Well I guess they could...well....hmm.:scratch:

I don't know, maybe offer monthly subscription discounts to Horde players. :xsmile4:

[Blackmoon]

Young or immature players ( unlike more RPoriented and older aged ones) enjoy playing with the "good" guys!!!
I always thought people like that preferred playing the "uber-leet evil people".

[DrWh0]

I always thought people like that preferred playing the "uber-leet evil people".


That is true but unfortunately for the horde there is no uber-leet evil character race. ( uber-leet should look cool as well as being powerful)

Imagine what would happen if there was a "death knight" class ( obviously assigned to human or humanlike race). Every kid out there that has already created
a) a NE hunter or
b) a human paladin ( heh those two races-classes are sthing like 50 % of the alliance !!!)
would love to play a leet Arthas-like character...

If you study stats at the various server statistics sites you ll come to the conclusion that the only thing that keeps Horde numbers high enough are PvP servers.
If it weren't for PvP servers ( that the ratio of All vs horde is sthing like 1.5 :1 ) then horde would be almost gone ( RP and PvE servers ratios are 2-4 : 1 !!!). I guess the hardcore PvP players care little for appealing appearances or trendy character classes and know to appreciate racial characteristics or skills that give em some advantage at PvPing.


Imo the two most important issues that should be addressed by blizzard ( obvioulsy after they complete the battlegrounds or other cool projects) are
1) Faction balance !!! ( ppl should realise that unenevenness of the 2 factions will eventually lead to the death of WoW. Many other MMORGS have been demolished cuz of the same reason)

2) Class and Race balance ( if half of WoW population are Human Paladins and NE hunters then for sure there is sthing wrong with other races and classes)
I do not expect a 50:50 horde/alliance ration, neither a 11.1 % percentage for each of the 9 classes. But if hunters and paladins comprise over 50% of a faction then sthing is not working right !!!

3) Apperance customising and better looking horde models.
Whether we like it or not, graphics are not WoW's strongest feature. Cartoon like models taken straight out of WC might be a cool idea but for sure, but it detracts from the realism of the game.
In addition to this , Wow has the worst customisation options in all the recent mmorgs out there and, in some cases, worse than mmorgs that are 2-3 years old.

[Gadris]

Quote:
I can definitely think some reasons for that.
One is rather obvious and it is nothing else than young kids or immature ppl that just love playing with the good guys or the coolest and best looking characters in the game. ( perhaps that is why NE are everywhere).

Quote:
Imagine what would happen if there was a "death knight" class ( obviously assigned to human or humanlike race). Every kid out there that has already created
a) a NE hunter or
b) a human paladin ( heh those two races-classes are sthing like 50 % of the alliance !!!)
would love to play a leet Arthas-like character...



Not everone who wants to play a NE or human is immature. i like elves, weither they be from LOTR, WoW and so on. i just like them. there is nothing wrong with prefering something over something else! if you are going to say that all who like NE and humans are immature, and everyone didnt want to be "immature", there would be none of these races. You cant judge someone by the race they play! as i said above, not everyone who plays NE or Human is immature.

P.S no flame intended, just my opinion

[nxt-Gen]

i was having a look at that census site u made reverence to and i played with the lvls of the characters from about 35+ the ratio runs at 57%| 43% A v H and when u get to 45+ it be about 53% | 43% and at 55+ its basically 50% each way. PVP servers only.

sadly i can only make reference to this statistically as ii have not aquired a pc able to run the game yet (still living in the dark ages =( but if there are nearly the same numbers on each side...

[nxt-Gen]

Clarify and simplifying above statement..

PVP = about 55% - 45% in favor of A

PVE = about 65% - 35% in favor of A

RP = about 65+% - 35-% in favor of A

though i did go through some of the PVP servers one by one and there are a lot of 65% - 35%.

[Arbinter]

b) understand that this unevenness can be hazardous to WoW future and longetivity
( perhaps not now that most players are noobs and low lvl, but think what will happen in a few months, when PvP servers will be flooded with 3:1 alliance players lvl 60 - Or even worse try to predict the game's future if by next year, the overall ratio is 1:4 or 1:5 !!!

Now you can't be serious that this is 'hazardous to WoW (sic) future and longetivity'. Assume, in your 'dire' prediction, that the world becomes a ratio of 5:1 of lvl 60 alliance players to Horde players. What is the ramification of that? To take ur previous suggestions that the majority of the alliance players are immature/young, then who cares? I mean, if you are fearing, say on a PvP server (which is the only server on which this issue is a concern) that Alliance players just raid all the major towns over and over, killing everything in sight, then you will be sadly mistaken. As most of us have seen, over most every server, although the Alliance outnumber, the Horde are FAR more organised. Number crunching doesn't alwasy work my friend.

offer some suggestions that would make new players play that orc/troll/tauren/undead character instead of another (cool!!! or awesome!!! looking) graceful purple elf rogue or hunter.[/QUOTE]

Answer: You can't. Tough. You cannot make incentives for people to play the other races, you would potentially shift the ratio of alliance:Horde from 5:1 to 1:5. If someone doesn't want to play as any of the Horde characters atm, thats their problem. Chances are a lot of people have both a horde and an alliance character on different realms (I know I do). There is enough in this game to make people play EVERY race, just to get everything out of their game. This comes back top the old D2 issue of "Too many Bowazons/Sorcs" etc etc. Except that in WoW your skills are bassed on your class, not your race.

And finally, as I'm running out of time, I'd like to add that the architechture of the grand alliance cities might be fantastic.. and so they should be. I don't think an Orc would have the same eyes for architectual beauty that a human might have.

[Beatboxer]

Ya, I agree. I happen to really like the Orcs of Warcraft ever since I first played warcraft 1. I have a loyalty to the Horde allthough I like elements of the Alliance as well.

We'll see how opposing faction numbers balance as time goes on with WoW. There are some servers with more Horde than alliance, some servers with about even. Undead, kind of surprising, are the top ranked Horde class in terms of population it seems right now.

I hope Blizzard gets some world events going before to long, like have Arthas' forces raid both factions or something. Or have the Naga or Blood elves/Illidan attack, that would be cool.

[henkman]

Night Elves and Taurens switch factions, problem solved. ;)

[DrWh0]

I would like to thank everyone for their replies.

I will try to clarify my views on this issue ( pls forgive any clumsy use of english , :D )


1. Unlike most other MMORGS out there , WoW is faction vs faction based one !!!
This means that along with the usual one faction quests, there is ( or there will be) a huge amount of content that revolves around the whole alliance vs horde conflict.

This game has a huge potential. The faction vs faction element can be 10 times more exciting than the typical quests that make you fight vs computer controlled creeps . And i am 100% that wow developers know this.
I can imagine a huge number of FvF features that can be implemented and i know that fans out there can imagine 1000times more than i can...
Huge raid quests , town sieges , town guarding, battlegrounds or other similar instances , battles for contested areas etc.

I am 100% positive that eventually ( when most players reach 60 and have nothing else to to do ) those Faction vs faction features will be the main reason why ppl still play this game ... ANd blizzard devs will give us sthing amazing.

That is exactly the reason why this horde vs alliance imbalance worries me.

2.What most of you don't understand is that this imbalance will eventually get worse . aka snowball effect.
Outnumbered faction --> smaller economy/harder questing in contested areas/slower advancement of players to higher lvls--> even harder questing since alliance players will lvl up faster--> harder and harder advancement for horde newbies --> more and more horde ppl will quit and reroll an alliance character.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that alliance players will reroll and grind through 60 lvl using a horde character.
Especially since by the time most alliance players reach lvl 50-60 , battlegrounds and perhaps other PvP features will be implemented.
If battlegrounds was around i know for sure that i would try to make use of my 60 lvl charcater instead of wasting another month ( for casual gamers) to lvl up an opposite faction toon.


3. The problem is NOT LIMITED to PvP servers where noobs are slaughtered by greater numbers of high lvl players.
This also applies to PvE or RP servers . Sure alliance cannot hurt you ( unless u are pVP flagged) but they can certainly kill your quest givers ( npcs), raid your cities ( almost daily) , cause an enormous lag at the crossroads area etc

4. I am sure there are elves/humans players that are very mature. This however cannot negate the fact that most kids out there will select those 3 races.

Just take a look at the numbers ( check both wowcensus and wowrealms or sthing ).
Those 2 races are 45-50 % of the whole WoW population !!!
The numbers do not lie.

5. Female horde character models should be more appealing.
95% of female players out there will choose NE or human females. Cmon blizzard u can't expect from a female to play a buttugly orc or a full of warts troll...
Not to mention that immature male players ( usually younger than 16) are playing a NE female (why? have no clue)

6. Add some background content that will make horde races more interesting.

[judoman]

I want to see some skinny caster tauren & orcs.

Heavily muscled bodies are less flexible. I like the trolls & undead.

I can't even see in a fight when tauren are melee'ing. My little undead warrior is basically blind fighting.

Let characters choose their height. Short, med, tall... It would be cool if undead can be as tall as trolls. But tauren are too big. I can't imagine being a dwarf/gnome partying with a tauren. They can't now but...

Snowball effect. I'm already getting harrassed by alliance to flag. Its not fun to be bullied by foes that outnumber you. Spat upon. thats not civilized.

Female trolls are ugly. The orc females are better looking, somewhat. Most/all of females have thunder thighs. yuck!

[Metatron]

But the alliance look boring. Thats what i dont understand. Why would anyone roll a Human or an Elf when they look so boring. Now the Undead! They have style! But that's just me. I've always loved the Undead from the first time I saw Jason and the Argonauts to the time I collected a 2000 point undead army for Warhammer. For me I love the lore of the undead and the fear invoking past they have. They are the purest form of evil in the game and that for me is enough! But I know you ally guys are annoyed with the undead rogues as we are annoyed with Nelf Rogues. Now can someone put forth that statistic? How many Night Elf Rogues and Undead Rogues are there on the preverbial "average" server?

[ohearntp]

I am fairly new to the game still (just over 2 wks), but all my friends had chars on the horde faction. So obviously I choose the horde faction, and have yet to play any alliance faction. But I guess from my own ingnorance w/o seeing any Ally cities, I thought that the Horde Cities were really neat and well developed. I have no complaints from the Horde Faction

[Kitsu]

I love elves, and I love to play as female characters in video games. I don't know why, but I always do. Mainly just to piss my friends off, because we used to play fighting games all the time, and I'd always pick the fast/cheap female character, and it seems to have followed me throughout my gaming experience. I can certainly say that if the expantion would have been released 2 months ago, when I started playing WoW, I would've definitely rolled a female blood elf, instead of a night elf.

I would've prefered to play with the horde, but when looking at the female character models, I really couldn't really find one that I liked. There was only one, which was an undead female, with none of the undead facial features. I just got to level 35 last night, so I don't think I want to reroll from scratch to play as a horde. But I must say this, horde players seem alot more organized. They really pissed me off last night, in Strongvale, there was a group of 10 horde, from 32-43, running throughout the zone, and ganking every alliance person they saw. Luckily, I was able to pick one off, every time there was a straggler. But I must say they had a very organized ganking group, which I haven't seen anything like within the alliance. But then there are also those asses at that are 40+, who will patrol Duskwood, and gank all the lowbies.

[Kjevle]

I think an important issue is that all horde characters look like **** no matter what their gear.(at least when they dress in mail or plate)
undead are always dressed in rags, so it doesn't help if they have the best gear in the game.
Male orc looks quite nice in his armour though. And I'm looking forward to seeing blood elf warriors in orgr.

At least that's my opinion.

[Owoc]

From a game design standpoint, the Horde has already a significant advantage over the Alliance. Further improving the horde in this aspec would make them overpowered. Let me bring forward a few arguments:

1. Racials:
a) Tauren:
Endurance. This is a huge bonus, especially for those high-stam warriors. A warriors with good dps blues can have 4000hp. Warriors with tanking blues and epics have even more. With 4000hp, a 5% bonus is 200, which equals 20 statpoints. 20 statpoints can be gained by upgrading a blue to a good epic (e.g. reiver claws or death grips to might gauntlets), or by spending several talent points (imp BS, divine strength, demonic embrace, etc.)
Cultivation. Not significant, but doesn't hurt and is useful especially on low levels to quickly get herbalism/alch up (you can collect earthroots right away, and mageroyals/briarthorns etc. much faster, I really saw a difference between a tauren alt with herb and a human alt with herb).
War stomp. Another great racial. CD prevents this from being a massive advantage in combat, but it's still good: you get another spell interruption, which lets you interrupt up to 3 and possibly 4 spells in a row (pummel/kick, stomp, grenade, pummel/kick again if it recharges). Has many other uses as well.
Nature resistance - insignificant, 10 res is close to nothing alone and most ppl shoot for fire/shadow res so you won't be stacking this with items.

b) Orc
Blood fury. Nice for dps'ing in instances, but isn't going to make you dominate in pvp as the damage is too much if you're under attack. Still, has uses.
Axe bonus. This about 0.8% dmg increase, which is nice. Not as good as humans' sword bonus (because of the superiority of sword spec talent), but good.
Hardiness. Another nice bonus, a potential rogue killer. An orc warrior in berserker rage will be immune to incapacitate (gouge, sap) and have a ~30% chance to resist CS, KS etc. Roguehunting anyone?
Command. Nice for BM hunters as 5% dmg increase in this game is significant - 5/5 talents usually give 5% or 6%. (cruelty, malice, weapon specs, etc.)

c) UD
WotF. This is another OMFG racial. You get a free fear breaker that is always there, no need for a trinket as a caster and warriors won't lose fight because they hit the berserker stance button 0,005s too late.
Shadow res. This one actually has uses because some ppl shoot for shadow resistance from items, so you can stack this and actually have some use for it.
Cannibalize. Due to 3 min CD isn't really going to make or break a grinding session/BG.
Underwater breathing. Useless.

d) Troll. If you're a marks hunter you might be interested in the bow skill. Otherwise, nobody's forcing you to roll one. :)



A quick look on alliance:
-NE shadowmeld is overrated. You can use it for going AFK in mob-filled areas (wohohohoh), or camp in BG's to give you a small element of surprise and an easy charge if you're a warrior. However, if the opponent is stronger than you, this won't make or break the fight anyway.
-Sword bonus is actually nice due to the fact that sword spec talent rocks.
-Spirit bonus. Has uses for casters, but isn't even close to Taurens' endurance.
-Gnomes have good racials - int bonus for casters and escape artist for melees. Sadly, they are also the visually worst and most dreaded race in the game.


2. City locations.
The Horde wins here hands down. They have closer to almost all the instances of interest: SM, Maraudon, Strath, Scholo. The only instances closer to the Alliance are the ones in the blackrock mountain.

Darnassus in in the middle of nowhere. TB is linked to Ogri with a direct flightpath. UC can be reached directly from Ogri via the zeppelin - transcontinental travel is much easier.



The only advantage of the Alliance ATM is the priest racial spells, but this will change in 1.10.


Horde is more powerful, which is Blizz's way of compensating for the lower player count. And if you don't like 1:3 ratios, just roll on a server which has almost 1:1 - there are some of these.

[KojakMacload]

This topic just sound like one big Whine

[SURFEROSA]

Yep.^^ A Whine thats been resurrected from Jan 2005.

This thread is like a broken pencil...

[Xsilentdeath]

Well i can remember back before the game was re-leased everyone was complaining all to hell that Horde racial traits completly "own" alliance and everyone was worried that the quite opposite of what has happend to happen. Everyone was worried that the cool looking orcs w/ the "ownage" racial traits would overpopulate all...sadly the opposite has happend. Is it a MAJOR problem? not really imo, but waht do i know

[porps]

god i hate this 'more people play allies cos they're all little kiddies' crap. Its such bull.

Thats just like me saying 'the only people who play horde are spotty teenage goths who think being evil is cool, and thus since all other age groups (adults, children) play alliance we outnumber them. 2 age groups > one'

As i said.. complete and utter crap. Next theory?

[Mincemaker]

Well, not everybody who play WoW has ever played the other Warcraft games, so I think that when some people sign up for the game, they didn't know the detailed history of all the races and so, are biased to certain races based on looks (after all, there is a stereotype that good looking characters are good people).

And they probably didn't even take into consideration of the hugely advantageous Horde advantages.

Me? I am an undead lover. Had been a fan since Warcraft III. I loved their history, their racial advantages and their beliefs. Which is why I played an undead rogue (well, sneaky is my playstyle, hence I made a rogue).

Sad you can't play a Nerubian.

[Telriel]

I want to say my opinion no matter how insignificant it might be.
I play both horde and ally characters.
I play Elves as main race in every single game there is, so my first character was NE hunter. That doesn't mean i'm kid.
I find Gnome females sooooo cute with their twin pony/pig tales. That's why my other character is Gnome rogue.
Orgrimmar is the most fascinating city IMHO and it only gives me feel of realy big town.
I rolled Orc and Tauren female becouse of originality. That hapened after I got first two alliance characters to lvl 60. Orc females have best build bodies btw.
And who says Horde is evil? You can say that about Undead only, but rest of Horde is just trying to survive in war torn land.
All of that is only my opinion, not intended to flame or offend anyone, just want to point out that you shouldn't be slave to prejudices.
One more thing. I don't know the numbers, but Horde kicks Allie's buts 9 out of 10 time in BG.

[kaznlilgreenmen]

But then there are also those asses at that are 40+, who will patrol Duskwood, and gank all the lowbies.

:wave: :grin:

Any way...two words...Burning Crusade...That will allow people who want to be elfs...be one just on the horde side..

Theres my two pennies.

[Arkane Dark]

Yeah I believe the horde characters do look like ass. But then the Blood Elves look awesome!

[Idosko]

they could revamp the looks of the horde models so they look meaner and more evil that would be cool

[Trepidation]

I like the fact that more people play alliance...it is just more targets for me to kill :)

However though, teenagers are predispositioned to races where they perceive "savior of the world". And since alliance are the "good guys" and “save the world”, teenagers will tend to gravitate that way.

-tReP

[Arkane Dark]

I am a teenager, and I find most teenagers like the idea of anarchism and being the "bad-guy". I want to play as alliance because they look "cooler" and I'm just like that lol.

[thebigfish]

I remember when I firs got WoW in 2004, I had just finished playing the Orc levels and stuff, and I thought the tauren where the greatest things ever invented, they realy badass to me for some reason (I'm alowed to say that, right?). I instaleled the game and set up my account...I then proceeded to immediatly click on the tauren icon w/o glancing at the others...O how I was dissapointed! They look like crap! I like how they looked in WcIII. I'm not sure how differant they are, but their stature seems differant to me for some reason, especially in the case of the Tauren hero guy, he looks horrible in WoW...I would have rolled a troll, since the still look pretty hip and everything, but I was too pissed off at the horde so I made a Gnome mage...I love gnomes, now my main is a human rogue. I got no idea how the f*** that happened....oh well...

Now for the point of this....Their is no reason the make a big deal of the reatios between hode and alliance, the horde own alliance in pretty much everything anyway. Besides, you will still se plenty of Hordies around no matter what the numbers are.

[roeby]

really this is like the lamest thread ever, you all try to explain why people play alliance and horde, you can't everybody has his/her reason why.

really lame comment more female wow players play alliance because horde looks like ****. I don't think that the few female wow players actually care how they look in the game.

furthermore

1. Unlike most other MMORGS out there , WoW is faction vs faction based one !!!
This means that along with the usual one faction quests, there is ( or there will be) a huge amount of content that revolves around the whole alliance vs horde conflict.

This game has a huge potential. The faction vs faction element can be 10 times more exciting than the typical quests that make you fight vs computer controlled creeps . And i am 100% that wow developers know this.
I can imagine a huge number of FvF features that can be implemented and i know that fans out there can imagine 1000times more than i can...
Huge raid quests , town sieges , town guarding, battlegrounds or other similar instances , battles for contested areas etc.

I am 100% positive that eventually ( when most players reach 60 and have nothing else to to do ) those Faction vs faction features will be the main reason why ppl still play this game ... ANd blizzard devs will give us sthing amazing.

That is exactly the reason why this horde vs alliance imbalance worries me.
ever imagined that huge raid quests, town sieges, town guardings etc are very unlikely? I play on EU servers nothing like that happens, why not because the amount of people required for that is to high to actually motivate to do this. If somebody would ask me to join the raid to ironforge or orgrimmar and would decline. There are a lot of people who don't like the pvp stuff


2.What most of you don't understand is that this imbalance will eventually get worse . aka snowball effect.
Outnumbered faction --> smaller economy/harder questing in contested areas/slower advancement of players to higher lvls--> even harder questing since alliance players will lvl up faster--> harder and harder advancement for horde newbies --> more and more horde ppl will quit and reroll an alliance character.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that alliance players will reroll and grind through 60 lvl using a horde character.
Especially since by the time most alliance players reach lvl 50-60 , battlegrounds and perhaps other PvP features will be implemented.
If battlegrounds was around i know for sure that i would try to make use of my 60 lvl charcater instead of wasting another month ( for casual gamers) to lvl up an opposite faction toon.

a lot of people now have both an alliance and a horde character, just to know what it is like. 1 level 60 char is not very likely anymore



3. The problem is NOT LIMITED to PvP servers where noobs are slaughtered by greater numbers of high lvl players.
This also applies to PvE or RP servers . Sure alliance cannot hurt you ( unless u are pVP flagged) but they can certainly kill your quest givers ( npcs), raid your cities ( almost daily) , cause an enormous lag at the crossroads area etc
why would somebody actually waste his time constantly killing the quest givers? (most have guards around them) and count as civilians now a days, create an enormous lag? how many people would you need for that and how long can you keep people there doing nothing?

4. I am sure there are elves/humans players that are very mature. This however cannot negate the fact that most kids out there will select those 3 races.

Just take a look at the numbers ( check both wowcensus and wowrealms or sthing ).
Those 2 races are 45-50 % of the whole WoW population !!!
The numbers do not lie.
Kiddies choose all races


5. Female horde character models should be more appealing.
95% of female players out there will choose NE or human females. Cmon blizzard u can't expect from a female to play a buttugly orc or a full of warts troll...
Not to mention that immature male players ( usually younger than 16) are playing a NE female (why? have no clue)

yes you can, I know a lot of lady gamers on the horde side. very weak argument by the way.
and maybe it is true of the NE females, but my friend and I both 20+ also play NE female, are we so immature?
our reason is very simple, we like elves (rp fans) and I only play female characters

6. Add some background content that will make horde races more interesting
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html
what is this??