Alchemy - Transmuting Arcanite

[dsamar]

I just recently got to 275 Alchemy, and I have transmute Thorium and Arcane Crystal to Arcanite.

Now, i have been asking around forever, and still have not found out the price at which arcanite sells for (by the bar).

I do know however, that Arcane Crystals are rare and sell for 30g at the AH. Thorium can be bought for 7g for 20 bars.

So my question is, would i sell arcanite for over 30g per bar? Are you even able to mine arcanite?

So ya, hopefully i can turn a profit on making Arcanite bars, otherwise the ENTIRE transmuting is a complete waste of time and money.

Thanks

[SuAside]

arcanite bars are needed for some of the best blacksmithing work available
i'd wager the bars would go at quite a high price...

you might also get blacksmiths knocking at yer door to transmute them for them: they give you the items, you smack em together in bars and they give yeh a lil' something for your trouble. (most likely this will happen in guilds most of the time)

[dsamar]

Yes, but what does it sell for? and can you mine it?

[YoshDawg]

Yes, but what does it sell for? and can you mine it?

Yes, you can mine arcanite. It's a rare spawn, like silver/gold/truesilver but it's there ... just hard to find or hard to get to most of the time.

As for how much it sells for ... no one can really tell you because it depends on your server. My server is low pop and NO ONE is selling thorium bars and 20 mith bars go for 5g. So ... just look at the AH and try to sell it as high as possible and see what happens.

[YoshDawg]

Yes, you can mine arcanite. It's a rare spawn, like silver/gold/truesilver but it's there ... just hard to find or hard to get to most of the time.

As for how much it sells for ... no one can really tell you because it depends on your server. My server is low pop and NO ONE is selling thorium bars and 20 mith bars go for 5g. So ... just look at the AH and try to sell it as high as possible and see what happens.


Actually ... I'm not 100% sure if you can mine arcanite. I heard you could ... but don't take my word for it :) cuz I'm not that high yet. The reason i think you can is because in some of the other threads people say that arcanite is a rare find.

[Klade]

I think arcanite is the type of thing that spawns in raid level dungeons. So its not something that people can get ahold of easily. The best source for the stuff is your local high level alchemist.

Basically what your going to want to do is find some high level blacksmiths and let them know of your services.

[Eiger]

My understanding is that arcanite is only transmuted and never mined.

[Hayrab]

Yes so far the only way to get arcanite in the game is to transmute it.

[Eiger]

BTW - you can get the recipe to transmute arcanite in Gadgetzan along with a couple other transmuting recipes.

[Mark of Mayhem]

Arcanite can not be mined, but arcane crystals are mined. They are very rare drops that occur when mining normal mithril, silver, etc. Arcanite is used in blacksmithing and to create the Arcane Rod for enchanting. The top level enchantments require this rod. This is another point where the professions feed of each other. Alchemy needs blacksmithing for the raw materials to create arcanite bars. Blacksmithing/Enchanting need alchemy to provide them the raw materials which are arcanite bars.

As a suggestion for price, put it in AH as a buy out at double what arcane crystals are going for. If it sells, increase the price of the next one. Keep increasing until it doesn sell, then step back down. The economy of most servers is just now starting to age, so strike now before 1/5 of the server can transmute.

[Frostlion]

Just to get rid of some misinformation. Arcanite cannot be mined. Not in high level instances either, there's never been any arcanite found in molten core, upper BRS or onyxias lair.

The only way to currently make arcanite bars is to transmute using transmute arcanite which takes 1 thorum bar and 1 Arcane crystal.

Arcane crystals can only reliably drop from Rich Thorium veins with a drop chance around 2.5%


There are als 2 listed exceptions. One of a crystal dropping from an ooze covered rich thorium vein (doesn't seem too strange) and one dropping from a frenzied Pterrordax (does seem strange, but not impossible, since it is a rare gem in a way and those can drop from mobs too)


Since the cooldown for transmuting arcanite is 48 hours for each alchemist (that's real time, not /played time) You'd have to mine over 20 rich thorium veins to get a good chance for a steady supply of one bar every 2 days if you have one alchemist to transmute for you.

The most popular items that can be made with arcanite are:
Arcanite Champion, Frostguard and Arcanite rod.

[Gaza0469]

On my server, arcane crystals can be picked up privately for 20G ( 23G in AH)

and Arcanite bars sell for 26G privately, or 31G in AH.

Keep in mind that you may not sell it if you list it at the AH, so you could loose almost a G in deposit if you dont sell it privately.

You should make between 5-7G though pretty easily.

[rutty]

On my server (Stormrage) the price of both Arcane Crystals and Arcanite Bars has dropped off considerably. The Crystals are only going now for about 12-15G at the AH while I've struggled to sell Arcanite Bars for 23G. It's not quite the license to print money that it used to be, sadly. There are loads of alchemists doing it, and even the arcane crystals are getting less rare.

[squigipapa]

As frost said .. there is a huge amount of misinformation here.

Arcane crystals WILL drop from ozing thorium veins (such as the ones in sithilis, which makes it such a popular place to stealth mine.) As well as rich thorium veins, but it is a rare drop, 2.5% from rich or ozing sounds about right.

1 Arcane crystal + 1 thorium bar will make one bar of Arcanite. Take it from an alchmist who's been doing this for quite a while now (since level 35). DON'T try to sell aracnite. DON'T buy crystals & thorium to make and sell your own. Your profit margin will be tiny, and you'll be making such a small profit overall, that a single auction not selling (thus losing the deposit) will half your entire profit.

The only way to really make money making and selling it, is by dropping herblism, maxing mineing, and finding your own thorium & arcane crystals. However, even in this situation, you'll only be able to make one bar every 2 days and would actually make much more money by simply selling the bars and crystals on their own.

The best way for you to make a bit of extra cash with it is to simply sell your cooldown. Offer to make it for others, if they supply the mats. I have made from 4 to 9 gold simply selling the transmute. The usual fee is 5g. (on my server), if it's someone who's nice, or has a respectable <guild tag> I usually give it to them for 4. If someone *****es about the 5G .. it's 9. Don't feel bad about charging for it, if they give you flack .. simply say.. "ok, no problem, I'm sure you'll find someone else that will do it for less." by the time they come crawling back, I've usually sold it to someone else.

Transmuting arcanite is not your money maker as an alchmest. Healing potions, mongoose potions, greater protection elixirs, free action pots, mana potions, poison resistance, as well, as any potions needed for quests or other professions recipes ex. ghost dye, goblin rocket fule, frost oil, strong trolls blood, elixir of demonslaying etc.

once you've completed the quests in Scholo, and can get a hold of the the water --> air transmute you can make some quick cash. you see an essence of water for 8G on the AH and an air for 40g, buy the water, transmute, and throw it up for 35g. but other than that, transmuting is not going to be your bread and butter.

[Lord_Shinnok]

Here is my whole arcanite experience. i have a 60 rogue thats a 300 miner and i take Silithus runs every other day except on weekends. I usually net between 1 or 2 per run (arcane crystals) though sometimes i get 3 or sometimes none. there are two 300 alchs in my guild that transmute for me and i had them going on alternate days so i would get a bar every day if i supplied the mats.

Now i wasn't gathering for sell (though i could have made a nice bit of change) but for my blacksmith when she gets to high level stuff. Now arcane crystals go for about 15 to 19G on my server and arcanite for about 25 to 29G. One tip i will give is to sell in bulk. For whatever reason, people like buying this stuff in stacks of 5 and will pay more than they may buying 5 seperate ones. I suppose people want their shopping done fast or something.

Ill agree with squig that buying the crystal and thorium required then finding someone to transmute (goes for 4G on my server) isn't very smart. Unless you find someone who is selling crystals cheap then i wouldn't consider it.

Though hammer of the titans is pretty nice... :whistle:

[Gaza0469]

once you've completed the quests in Scholo, and can get a hold of the the water --> air transmute you can make some quick cash. you see an essence of water for 8G on the AH and an air for 40g, buy the water, transmute, and throw it up for 35g. but other than that, transmuting is not going to be your bread and butter.



Thats excellent advice Squigipapa.

I have been thinking about dropping Herbalism for some time now and going mining, that way I can just net in 32G pure profit.


The global 48 hour cooldown, is that per accoutn? or just per character, because I actually changed my professions on a high level alt to Mining / Alchemy so as I could make a bar every 24 hours, would this be viable? Or is the cooldown applied to all characters on the same account?

[Hettar]

Thats excellent advice Squigipapa.

I have been thinking about dropping Herbalism for some time now and going mining, that way I can just net in 32G pure profit.


The global 48 hour cooldown, is that per accoutn? or just per character, because I actually changed my professions on a high level alt to Mining / Alchemy so as I could make a bar every 24 hours, would this be viable? Or is the cooldown applied to all characters on the same account?

Per character.
And it's Real Life time too :)

[squigipapa]

Thats excellent advice Squigipapa.

I have been thinking about dropping Herbalism for some time now and going mining, that way I can just net in 32G pure profit.


The global 48 hour cooldown, is that per accoutn? or just per character, because I actually changed my professions on a high level alt to Mining / Alchemy so as I could make a bar every 24 hours, would this be viable? Or is the cooldown applied to all characters on the same account?


Ya, the cooldown is tied to your character. I've tried everything I can possibly think of to get around it as well .. Including:

1. Doing a transmute, the Destroying the philosopher's stone and creating a new one. - no go, the cooldown remained.

2. Having more than one stone.. No go, cooldown still remained.

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I wanted to drop herblism, in fact that was always my plan for my epic mount money. I would drop herblism, take up mining, mine sithilis, create my own arcanite and sell the bars. However, then I won the roll for the Flask of Titans. The flask calls for black lotus, which is a lvl 300 bind on pickup herb, meaning that the only person who can make a flask of titans is someone who has 300 alch, as well as 300 herb. My guild is now doing weekly MC raids, and I'm gathering for flask ingredients for when we get a bit deeper in and fighting the much tougher bosses. So, If I dropped herblism and took up mining it would actually affect more than just me making potions for myself, other herbs I can buy .. but black lotus I can't! I have to be able to pick it myself. .. So my pure profit mineing / transmuting is unfortunatly not going to happen. :(

However, running plugger in BRD is turning out to be much, much more profitable than I had ever imagined. ~25 - 30 gold per hour.. once everything is said and done and all the auctions have ended. (the grim guzzler key that rogues can pickpocket from him being the biggest money maker of all; cheapest price sold: 5G / Most expensive price sold: 17G) :happy14:

[Gaza0469]

Ya, the cooldown is tied to your character. I've tried everything I can possibly think of to get around it as well .. Including:

1. Doing a transmute, the Destroying the philosopher's stone and creating a new one. - no go, the cooldown remained.

2. Having more than one stone.. No go, cooldown still remained.

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I wanted to drop herblism, in fact that was always my plan for my epic mount money. I would drop herblism, take up mining, mine sithilis, create my own arcanite and sell the bars. However, then I won the roll for the Flask of Titans. The flask calls for black lotus, which is a lvl 300 bind on pickup herb, meaning that the only person who can make a flask of titans is someone who has 300 alch, as well as 300 herb. My guild is now doing weekly MC raids, and I'm gathering for flask ingredients for when we get a bit deeper in and fighting the much tougher bosses. So, If I dropped herblism and took up mining it would actually affect more than just me making potions for myself, other herbs I can buy .. but black lotus I can't! I have to be able to pick it myself. .. So my pure profit mineing / transmuting is unfortunatly not going to happen. :(

However, running plugger in BRD is turning out to be much, much more profitable than I had ever imagined. ~25 - 30 gold per hour.. once everything is said and done and all the auctions have ended. (the grim guzzler key that rogues can pickpocket from him being the biggest money maker of all; cheapest price sold: 5G / Most expensive price sold: 17G) :happy14:



LOL , I also tried to destroy my stone and remake it =P

Think I solved the problem though -

My main has 300 Herb / 300 Alch

I have an alt at level 45 who also has 190+ Herb / 170 + Alc so I will just change his herbalism to mining and power level it, and I will use my mains herb gathering to fuel his alchemy

That way I will be able to make my own bars every 24 hours.

If I find enough arcanite crystals thent that is 31G profit per day

217G a week =P


Ok, for arane crystals - where is the best place for rich thorium veins?

[squigipapa]

LOL , I also tried to destroy my stone and remake it =P

Think I solved the problem though -

My main has 300 Herb / 300 Alch

I have an alt at level 45 who also has 190+ Herb / 170 + Alc so I will just change his herbalism to mining and power level it, and I will use my mains herb gathering to fuel his alchemy

That way I will be able to make my own bars every 24 hours.

If I find enough arcanite crystals thent that is 31G profit per day

217G a week =P


Ok, for arane crystals - where is the best place for rich thorium veins?

well, the best place for rich (ouzing) thorium veins is in sithilis, but it's pretty much a rogue party, simply because successfully mineing there is not just a question of stealth, (otherwise druids would be able to do it just as well). Basically when you mine sith. you're using anything in your 'bag of tricks' to tap the node for 5 seconds. Killing pretty much anything there is not really an option. Ex. Imp gouge, (5.5sec) mine (5sec.) Blind (10sec) mine (5sec) depending on how fast the enemy reacts you may be able to manage a second tap in a single blind, when you're done, vanish. It's a good idea to always wait for your cooldowns, even the 10 minute prep. Think of it this way, it would be much more than 10 minutes between rich thorium veins anywhere else in the world, so you're still coming out on top even if you do have to wait for your cooldowns.

just in case you're wondering, When I was planning on dropping herb for mineing, I had a seasoned sith mining pro show me the ropes, in preperation .. I've not physically done it myself.

If it's not a rogue you'll be mining with .. I can't really help .. I believe that I've come across maybe one or two 'rich' thorium veins outside of sith .. they're not very common ..

OH but actually, if you go to the ocean, on the east coast of duortar, by orgrimmar, and you swim north for quite a while, you'll hit azhera, I've found a "rich thorium vein" there, out in the water, basically, if you have find minrils on you'll see it while swimming along the coast. I've never gone out to it but a friend has, and he said it's guarded by some eliet dragonkin's or something .. but anyway .. that's really the only one I remember.

[Tigo]

So... if I can do the transmutation, someone will give me the materials and I can transmute the bar for a fee?

How does this happen logistically? They give me the mats, and I make it? Then I put the bar in the trade window and they put the money in their side?

I can charge 5 or 6g for this every two days?

[rutty]

So... if I can do the transmutation, someone will give me the materials and I can transmute the bar for a fee?

How does this happen logistically? They give me the mats, and I make it? Then I put the bar in the trade window and they put the money in their side?

I can charge 5 or 6g for this every two days?

That's pretty much it - they give you one arcane crystal and a thorium bar plus 5 or 6G (however much you've agreed to) then you transmute it and give them the Arcanite Bar back.

The best way to find business it to advertise yourself in the trade channel or wait around in IF/Ogrimmar or wherever you are for people to ask for it to be done - it's quite common. Just whisper them back and state your price

[Bug Eyed]

Sorry marginally offtopic post but related.

Is the cooldown timer unique to the arcanite transmutation or all transmutations. ie can u transmute both this metal - and say water to air in the same 48 hr period?

Thanks.

[squigipapa]

Sorry marginally offtopic post but related.

Is the cooldown timer unique to the arcanite transmutation or all transmutations. ie can u transmute both this metal - and say water to air in the same 48 hr period?

Thanks.

There is 1 transmute cooldown. Meaning you transmute arcanite, you can't do anything else for 48 hours. However certian materials have a shorter transmute cooldown. Like iron to gold for instance is 24 hours. So I could do an iron to gold today, then an arcanite 24 hours later, however, I coulden't do an arcanite today then iron to gold tommorow, I'd have to wait the 48 hours.

[Eiger]

Just a piece of advice - if you want arcane crystals just to sell (and aren't a rogue), you're better off spending your time killing high level mobs. The dropped silver and sold items from them will far outweigh your income from arcane crystals per time spent. I bought my epic mount by doing that. Besides - I haven't gotten a single arcane crystal drop from the very many rich thorium veins I've mined in about 3 months. But then as a warrior, very few thorium veins in Silithus are available to me without a party.

[Lord_Shinnok]

Well today i took a trip to Silithus with my 60 rogue and unearthed 4 Arcane Crystals. Two from one vein alone.

*gets into bunker*

yes thats right, 4 arcane crystals in 25 minutes. Ha ha

[Gaza0469]

Well today i took a trip to Silithus with my 60 rogue and unearthed 4 Arcane Crystals. Two from one vein alone.

*gets into bunker*

yes thats right, 4 arcane crystals in 25 minutes. Ha ha


That doesnt suprise me at all, LS has always had way too much luck!

You will get a 6 month draught of arcane crystals soon LOL =P

[squigipapa]

Well today i took a trip to Silithus with my 60 rogue and unearthed 4 Arcane Crystals. Two from one vein alone.

*gets into bunker*

yes thats right, 4 arcane crystals in 25 minutes. Ha ha


Tell me this LS. When you stealthed past numerious level 59+ eliets, made your way into the tunnels, blinded one bug, gouged another, mined an arcane crystal then vanished. Did you stop for a moment after the vanish, open up your back pack, look at the crystal and say to yourself .. "God, I love being a rogue.. "

:happy14:

[Lord_Shinnok]

Tell me this LS. When you stealthed past numerious level 59+ eliets, made your way into the tunnels, blinded one bug, gouged another, mined an arcane crystal then vanished. Did you stop for a moment after the vanish, open up your back pack, look at the crystal and say to yourself .. "God, I love being a rogue.. "

:happy14:

seems thats the only time i do feel good to be a rogue these days. The only way i entertain myself is by risking life and limb to mine. for example, i solo into Molten Core just to tap one Dark iron node. I feel like one of those 80 year old thrill seekers that jumps out of planes.