Honour System Explaned- CLEARLY!

[I11idan]

There are many explanations of the Honour system but all seem to confuse. This posts will (hopefully) simplify the correct explanations of the Honour Systems for those who don't Understand the explanations before, a sort of' 'Wally's Guide' to Honour.


What is Honour?
Honour is a form of 'points' that you can obtain through certain ways. The more honour you get, the better your Honour Rank is and the more prizes you receive.

So, how do I get honour?
You can get honour by killing almost anything. If any character, person or monster has a grey name then you cannot get honour by killing them. Remember, you can only get honour if you kill the target. You do NOT get it for killing guards, or quest givers, or random town members, or vendors, flight masters or anything else.

How can I get lots of Honour from a few kills?
The ammount of honour you get from a kill depends on a few things;
- The level of your kill vs your own level. E.g. the smaller the level difference the higher the honour
- If you kill something of a higher level than you, you will gain more honour. The higher the kill's level is above yours, the more honour you will receive.

Why can't I just kill lots of weak monsters then?
Going around and killing tons of weak monsters to gain levels/honour is called Grinding. This method is unfair to people who don't have time to grind or just want to play on the off day. If you kill the same creature, person or character again and again you will receive less and less honour until you get no honour for killing them at all!

I am killing lots of things but my honour won't go up!?
remember, your honour 'rank' is only updated once a week. The ammount of kills you get has no reflection on the honour you get from those kills, as you may have killed 1000 weak monsters. Someone may have less kills, say 500 but may receive more honour as those monsters he killed were much stronger. Don't worry about losing your rankinig, it is not reset every week.This is adjusted very well, I shall give you a simple example:

A level 60 kills another level 60 on his own, he will receive around 170 points if the level 60 that has been killed is of the lowest honour rank (see honour ranks). Now, this level 60 would have to kill 8 level 48's to receive the same points! That's a big difference!


So if I obtain the highest honour rank then I can just sit back?
NO YOU CAN'T! Your honour goes down very slowely this means that people who genuinely couldn't play or had 'off' weeks can relax about their rank. However, just sitting back will eventually lead you to get 0 honour again.

Can't I just build up my rank slowely then?
No, to obtain the very first honour rank you must get at least 25 honourable kills on a SINGLE week before you can be placed in the honour rankings. Don't worry, you don't have to get 25 kills every week to stay in a rank, you just need that ammount to be put into the Honour ranks for the first time.

I got 500 honour points on my server and didn't go up any levels, my friend on another server got 100 and gained an honour rank! How?
Each week when your honour is updated, Blizzard uses your honour and puts you on a 'table' of honourable kills for you own server. Therefore The Horde (assuming you and your friend are both Horde) may be killing hundreds of things in your friends server, meaning honourable kills have less 'value' over there. Your server, however may have The Horde killing only scores of things, meaning honourable kills are 'valued' higher.

If I start killing really weak things won't I get Dishonour?
For the moment, no! There is no dishonour yet. In the next patch dishonour will be released, meaning slaying innocent characters or very weak players will result in penelties!

I got this really cool armour but I lost my honour ranking through not playing! What will happen to it!?
Luckily, all the items you gain as prizes are kept, no matter your honour rank but if you are not a high enough honour rank you just can't wear them. They will simply be drafted into your item pouches if you can't wear them.

What are contribution points?
Contribution points are what you get when you kill something. They are changed almost every day according to certain factors like the ammount of things killed etc! Contribution points are turned into honour points at the end of the week. So on high 'peak' weeks (e.g. holidays) you will probably receive less contribution points (CP's) and therefore less honour points, which are what CP's are changed into at the end of the week.

I'm a priest! How am supposed to get honour?
Priests can gain honour like parties gain expereince. When a team kills something the CP's are spread out across the whole team. If you had a team of 3 for example and you killed something you would receive 1/3rd of the CP's for that kill.

What if I do most of the damage then? Won't the priest (who did nothing but just heal) get less than me!?
Not if you are in a team. However, if you are solo fighting with a group of people then if you do, say 10% of the damage on a thing and someone else from outside of your official team kills it then you will still receive 10% of the CP's for that kill.

That's not fair! Won't area of effect spells just take all of the honour!?
No! Area of effect spells (AoE) will not be greatly effective. You may do about 10% of the damage to a number of people, but providing all of those targets eventually die during the battle only then will you receive the CP's for them. Even then, if you are in a team it wouldn't matter as the CP's are split evenly. If a single person kills around 2 or 3 enemies solo they will probably receive more CP's than a mage who did 10% of the damage to 10 enemies.

How do I get my prizes then!?
To get them you must be able to acces certain Honour 'shops'. These shops are only open to you after you gain a certain ranking. Even then the prizes cost you money, however they are very cheap compared to what you would pay for equivalent weapons/armour that is not Honour items.

So what are the Honour ranks?
There are 14 in total, each harder to achieve than the other but it's worth it. Just to give you example of extremeness of Honour, 1 in 1000 players will acheive the top ranking! Each ranking allows you to buy even better Honour items. Visit the official World of Warcraft Server if you would like a list of names for each rank and the unlockable items for each rank too.

The whole place is going crazy on the PvP servers! People are slaughtering each other, I can't even walk for two minuits without being jumped! Why?
This is due to the Honour system being in the early stages yet. In the next patch, when HUGE battlegrounds with high Honour orientated quests and fighting is availabe then you will see World of Warcraft calm down again. But watch out when fighting a battleground, if I am right they will be ablsolute havoc and you'll see insanly huge fights inside.

Well that's a rap folks! If there's any aspects I missed out tell me so I can add it. Please give me feedback too! :bow:

[Lord_Shinnok]

A good thread that answers alot of questions people have about the honor system. Answered my one question about the difference between rankings on different servers as it relates to the number of kills required.

You used lots of "!" which means you seem very excited. Someone must have had a good amount of HKs this week.

[I11idan]

A good thread that answers alot of questions people have about the honor system. Answered my one question about the difference between rankings on different servers as it relates to the number of kills required.

You used lots of "!" which means you seem very excited. Someone must have had a good amount of HKs this week.

Well, the huge use of '!' is just for emphasis. I was trying to explain Honour to very simple 3 year-olds. Anyway, if there are ANY other subjects on honour you need answering or I have missed please respond so that I can update my 'Wally's Guid' to honour. Plus, I don't even have WoW!

[Lord_Shinnok]

Plus, I don't even have WoW!

you should think about getting it, i hear its a good game. :happy34:

i suppose i do have one question. when either i or someone kills a horde player i see the HK rank thing pop up on my screen. Sometimes it says Sargent or Grunt or whatever rank. Now i tried to look for a pattern in them but i couldn't see one so my guess is that it relates to the rank of the person i killed. But i didn't think of that until later so my question is what are those little displays meant to show?

[grb800]

you should think about getting it, i hear its a good game. :happy34:

i suppose i do have one question. when either i or someone kills a horde player i see the HK rank thing pop up on my screen. Sometimes it says Sargent or Grunt or whatever rank. Now i tried to look for a pattern in them but i couldn't see one so my guess is that it relates to the rank of the person i killed. But i didn't think of that until later so my question is what are those little displays meant to show?

You were right... They display the rank of the player you just killed.

[Martout]

Just one thing...

You dont get honorable kills for killing monsters, only for killing other players!

[Rabiator]

The real problem with dishonorable kills is that even a level 20 hunter can "mark" an enemy without any chance to resist that ... the same is true for Paladin stuns, which can affect much higher targets. That means they can hurt / annoy the high ups, but the level 60s cant retaliate without losing honor (via dishonorable kills). Level should make people much more resistant to these things IMO.

[I11idan]

The Honour title of the enemy IS relvent to your CP's. Think about it, isn't it common sense that you get a better reward for killing a Grand-Marshall (top alliance rank) then an officer (lowest)? YES! I Would try to put this on the main post but I can't edit it :scratch: oh and err, I'll try to get WoW when I have a comp to play it. I was gunna get this really cool 3.6 ghz 2mb RAM one..... :love57: . Oh well, my dad hasn't got it yet. NVM

[I11idan]

The real problem with dishonorable kills is that even a level 20 hunter can "mark" an enemy without any chance to resist that ... the same is true for Paladin stuns, which can affect much higher targets. That means they can hurt / annoy the high ups, but the level 60s cant retaliate without losing honor (via dishonorable kills). Level should make people much more resistant to these things IMO.

Yes, Blizzard are tackling this problem as we speak. I believe that after a certain ammount of levels below you (e.g. 20-30) you don't get dishonour if the following contidtions are met:
a)they started it
b)you asked them to stop (GMs and others will probably monitor non-dishonoured kills) and they don't stop

Anyway, that's what I THINK. Doesn't mean you can be lv 60 egging on noobs coz:
a)even a noob knows when to leave someone alone
b)if the noob is stupid enough to fight, the high-up will get dishonour. haha!

[I11idan]

This post is just to prove something. It doesn't really relate to the honour system, just wanna prove to all you Blue Coat Guys that me (jiv) DID create this post! Wheeldon, you suck, Ewen, you too. Alliance scum...

Anyway, just as I said, keep sending your queries on the Honour system! I am waiting for your question, the Honour Guru shall answer... :happy14:

[Thorgrim Thunderaxe]

Rabiator:

In recent posts by Blizzard about the honor system they have adressed your concerns found HERE (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/rewards-interview.html) if you scroll down it covers why they aren't penalyzing dishonorable kills. That means that you do not LOSE honor points for a dishonorable kill but rather it is in place for possible future expansion that is all. Once again no negative attributes for a dishonorable kill, just try not to be a ganker :happy53: . Thought that would help.

[stevethatsmyname]

Why did this misinformation get stickied?

Honor points for killing monsters? NPC's? no!

Players only.......

[iamthejuggler]

The Honour title of the enemy IS relvent to your CP's. Think about it, isn't it common sense that you get a better reward for killing a Grand-Marshall (top alliance rank) then an officer (lowest)? YES! I Would try to put this on the main post but I can't edit it :scratch: oh and err, I'll try to get WoW when I have a comp to play it. I was gunna get this really cool 3.6 ghz 2mb RAM one..... :love57: . Oh well, my dad hasn't got it yet. NVM
Officer is lowest alliance rank? I think you'll find it's a private.

I have one question though. If you get those HK markings showing the rank of someone you have killed, what happens when you kill one of the hundreds of unranked players? does it just not tell you?

[adamfgt78]

Why did this misinformation get stickied?

Honor points for killing monsters? NPC's? no!

Players only.......

I agree. Who in the world stickied this post?? It is just as misleading and incorrect as it is useful. The fact that the original poster hasn't even played the friggin' game should have set off alarms...

The post keeps talking about honor points. There is no such thing. There are honorable kills(HK's) and contribution points(CP's).

So, how do I get honour?
You can get honour by killing almost anything. If any character, person or monster has a grey name then you cannot get honour by killing them. Remember, you can only get honour if you kill the target. You do NOT get it for killing guards, or quest givers, or random town members, or vendors, flight masters or anything else.


You ONLY get HK's from killing other players who's names are not grey. At level 60, this is other players lvl 50+, I believe.

Why can't I just kill lots of weak monsters then?
Going around and killing tons of weak monsters to gain levels/honour is called Grinding. This method is unfair to people who don't have time to grind or just want to play on the off day. If you kill the same creature, person or character again and again you will receive less and less honour until you get no honour for killing them at all!


Killing monsters has ZERO place in this discussion. Killing monsters grants experience, not HK's. A bit OT, but how is grinding monsters unfair to people that don't play as much?

There is a tiny nugget of truth in this though. Killing the same person multiple times in a period of time (day?) will grant dimishing returns on each subsequent kill.


I am killing lots of things but my honour won't go up!?
remember, your honour 'rank' is only updated once a week. The ammount of kills you get has no reflection on the honour you get from those kills, as you may have killed 1000 weak monsters. Someone may have less kills, say 500 but may receive more honour as those monsters he killed were much stronger. Don't worry about losing your rankinig, it is not reset every week.This is adjusted very well, I shall give you a simple example:

A level 60 kills another level 60 on his own, he will receive around 170 points if the level 60 that has been killed is of the lowest honour rank (see honour ranks). Now, this level 60 would have to kill 8 level 48's to receive the same points! That's a big difference!


Again, why in the world are we talking about killing monsters?


A single link to the official Honor System FAQ would have been much more useful and accurate: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/honor-system-faq.html

[adamfgt78]

Officer is lowest alliance rank? I think you'll find it's a private.

I have one question though. If you get those HK markings showing the rank of someone you have killed, what happens when you kill one of the hundreds of unranked players? does it just not tell you?

Like in the first week of the honor system, it will say "HK Scout".

[I11idan]

OK guys, no need to go taking the p*** out of me. I WAS trying to help, I don't really think I ever said it IS possible to get CPs off of NPCs (correct me if I did). And, I'm pretty sure nothing in there is a lie- I got it all from Blizzard themselves. I go on about 'honour points' which is just another way of saying HKs, sorry if I confused you guys. Not trying to start a row here, just think some of have mis understood (even though I WAS trying eliminate this :scratch: ) And also, what proof is there that people who DON'T own WoW know less? I will get it this month anyway (waiting for my new comp). I know as much as any of you guys playing it, I really should be commended for my knowlegde of the game when I don't even have it! Sorry if I confused you. Oh, and sorry for getting the name of a SINGLE measly rank wrong. Won't happen next time!

[iamthejuggler]

OK guys, no need to go taking the p*** out of me. I WAS trying to help, I don't really think I ever said it IS possible to get CPs off of NPCs (correct me if I did). And, I'm pretty sure nothing in there is a lie- I got it all from Blizzard themselves. I go on about 'honour points' which is just another way of saying HKs, sorry if I confused you guys. Not trying to start a row here, just think some of have mis understood (even though I WAS trying eliminate this :scratch: ) And also, what proof is there that people who DON'T own WoW know less? I will get it this month anyway (waiting for my new comp). I know as much as any of you guys playing it, I really should be commended for my knowlegde of the game when I don't even have it! Sorry if I confused you. Oh, and sorry for getting the name of a SINGLE measly rank wrong. Won't happen next time!

It's not personal I11idan but to have a sticky thread called "Honour System Explaned- CLEARLY!" (points out that even the title is spelt badly!) that was written by someone who hasn't experienced the things the thread is about just seems ridiculous.

[Neffri]

And also, what proof is there that people who DON'T own WoW know less? I will get it this month anyway (waiting for my new comp). I know as much as any of you guys playing it, I really should be commended for my knowlegde of the game when I don't even have it!

Well, dont take this wrong, but the proof is in your first post. Alot of the things you write about is true. But ALOT of it is false aswell. Im not saying you did wrong posting it. But since this is a issue quite alot of people are thinking about (i guess). It would be good if you have all the facts before posting.

[Rimm]

What if I do most of the damage then? Won't the priest (who did nothing but just heal) get less than me!?

You won use yust use heal you are a priest one of the best on pvp in the game...

This you coud have read in http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/honor-system-faq.html
and copy this to here we don´t nead noobs writing what PVP is..

[Dragon Reborn]

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b)you asked them to stop (GMs and others will probably monitor non-dishonoured kills) and they don't stop




B4 you can REALLY undertsand certain points you need to play the game.
Like c'mon seriously if u dont even know that opposing factions can't speak to each other , GET THE GAME>

[Dragon Reborn]

OK guys, no need to go taking the p*** out of me. I WAS trying to help, I don't really think I ever said it IS possible to get CPs off of NPCs (correct me if I did). And, I'm pretty sure nothing in there is a lie- I got it all from Blizzard themselves. I go on about 'honour points' which is just another way of saying HKs, sorry if I confused you guys. Not trying to start a row here, just think some of have mis understood (even though I WAS trying eliminate this :scratch: ) And also, what proof is there that people who DON'T own WoW know less? I will get it this month anyway (waiting for my new comp). I know as much as any of you guys playing it, I really should be commended for my knowlegde of the game when I don't even have it! Sorry if I confused you. Oh, and sorry for getting the name of a SINGLE measly rank wrong. Won't happen next time!

Well obviously when WE( ppl who play WoW) correct YOU(person who doesnt play WoW) we know more then you about the game.

[Kellem]

I'm going to put my 2c, from the experience I have from the almost 3 weeks of honor system that I HAVE played in.

- You only get HKs from non-grey players. at 60 ..47+.
- Honor is calculated Weekly but they give you a Day before "approximate" that will be modified depending on how the rest of the players on your server perform during the week. ex. I had on one 'yesterday' 121 HK's / 2920CP, and at the end of the week adding the other days 150 HK's 6203 CP, so there's no way to determine how much value each HK's have, depends on the amount of damage you or your group did.
- You dont loose your rank week to week, 1st week I did over ~10000 CP, and got to Master Seargent, second week only 6203 CP and got to Segeant Mayor, it seems that you build up to your rank.
- So far, from experience, doing raids is a waste of time. specially at SS, where noone fills their role and everyone tries to do damage. Not everyone pulls their weight and you end up giving away free CP's not getting healed, buffed or purged. I've found that the best way is to get a group of 5 ppl, that is easier to organize and easier for a healer to manage to keep everyone alive. Groups with Rogues and Druids is godly, everyone can go stealth and appear just to make the kill, and then the druid heals the party b4 the DOT gets them. Mage + priest is also deadly, even cloth wearers last long enough when 4 PW:S and HOT Mages AOE while being healed by the priests.. As a Mage I've found that you can break or decimate really big groups, specillay if the mages have Invisibility pots.
- Also, you dont get HK's therefore no CP's if you die or in ghost mode around a group kill, for those complaining about Mage's AOE, the Mage needs to survive the AOE to get the HK/CPs if you die yours go away.
- About killing MOBS, at the moment it DOESN'T Give you any CP to kill mobs, maybe other faction bosses, but I havent been able to. Blizzard is saying that when Battlegrounds come out, specific NPC targets WILL give HK's and winning the Battleground will also give HK's to the participants of the day, but no experience on that either, since I havent played in any BG yet.

[Amyss]

I copied my char to the BG's and played there a bit in the 10v10 BG in the ashenvalle area.

INSANE, CHAOTIC FUN! It is all capture the flag with little treasure chests in the middle of both forts. VERY FUN! And VERY good for HK's. I was 52 while in the battleground and got about 100 HK's in 20 minutes.

O.o

[NocturneNight]

I copied my char to the BG's and played there a bit in the 10v10 BG in the ashenvalle area.

INSANE, CHAOTIC FUN! It is all capture the flag with little treasure chests in the middle of both forts. VERY FUN! And VERY good for HK's. I was 52 while in the battleground and got about 100 HK's in 20 minutes.

O.o

Yeah, one day earned me (me: a lvl 40 rogue :surprise: ), 2700+ honor. It's so funny that no matter where I am in the world, if the "You may now enter BG"-window popsup, I click it instantly! Capture the flag, and when the teams are even.. It goes on forever and it's just so fun that you can't help but sign up for another round! :thumbsup:

[Seunghee]

Why did this misinformation get stickied?

Honor points for killing monsters? NPC's? no!

Players only.......


You do get honor from NPCs, but only if they are leaders. You get honor for killing Thrall, for example.

[Barclin]

ok, i realize there is a drastic difference in honor ranking from one server to the next but i must say im confused on a couple of things. Its obvious that higher level characters receive significantly more honor for kills than say a level 21, but whats confusing is that I have 3000 honor kills in my characters lifetime, all in the last three weeks and i am still a scout.

there are grunts near my level that have fewer honor kills, as well as many scouts that are just as far along to the next rank as me with way fewer kills.

im starting to think its more about consistency than a couple of big weeks, sounds like its becoming much more difficult to rank up than it was during the opening weeks of BG.

[Baboon]

You do get honor from NPCs, but only if they are leaders. You get honor for killing Thrall, for example.

Good luck getting to him :) It's a lot easier to get DK's, I did a raid on Astranaar once, never again for me. If I want to kill outside Battlegrounds, I go defend Tarren Mill..

[Barclin]

doesnt seem like anybody is posting here, but...

its pretty dumb, i feel, when you are trying to just defend yourself against someone that is your level, and you get a DK because they were a civilian. yes i was too close to the town but i had to fight off a couple of guards and the one i killed wasnt even one.

if you cant kill civilians they shouldnt be able to attack you. i also think we should be getting HK's for guards and pvp npc's.

[toader]

Owwww my eyes, my burning eyes.

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[I11idan]

I return to a post which I find I screwed up on- big time. Sorry for the fuss and mistakes, I really should get the friggin game. I would but my comp can't actually play it- I need to upgrade. So just apologising to everyone I mislead/wrongly told etc. I did think I knew the honour system, heck I was reading up on it and using official blizzard posts when writing it- don't know where I went wrong but hey.

[Baboon]

Owwww my eyes, my burning eyes.

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*delete all letter 'u'*

It's just you, and your contry!

[Tirador]

Hello, i'm pretty new, only level 21. I was wondering, what are the requirements for each rank? How much honor/how many honor kills? Can I please get a list? Thanks. ~Tirador

[mesonm]

Hello, i'm pretty new, only level 21. I was wondering, what are the requirements for each rank? How much honor/how many honor kills? Can I please get a list? Thanks. ~Tirador

There is no set list, no set honor, and no set number of kills...It all depends on how you rank according to players in your faction on your server.

Higher lvls do much better than lower lvls...It is rare (so far as I can tell) for a char lower than around lvl 40 to have a rank above scout...That being said, I obtained scout around lvl 27 or so, the same week I started playing WSG.

I don't play much WSG right now, since getting a higher rank is unlikely for a bit...

[Northalius]

I myself don't play WoW yet, and I am reading these forums, and the official forums, for information to know about beforehand; but now, one who doesn't even play the game is posting explanations on a system he doesn't know 100% of, with AUTHORITY?! Come on kid, you need to come down off your high-horse there, and humble yourself to one who needs to be asking questions just like everyone else.

I don't know exactly where you get your information from? Does your friend play WoW?

Anyway, I'm not angry that you don't know everything about it; rather, I'm angry that you post this false information with authority, as IF you knew it was fact, yet didn't to begin with! And that going with you not even PLAYING the game yet? Sheesh. That, my little friend, is not a good thing to do. It misled me at first, even. I am so glad I kept reading the posts below to see the truth of the matter come to light.

Commend you for this? :lol: Hardly. At first I thought you were doing it to help others, but now, you seem to be on a "I want the spotlight! Praise me! I'm uber, and I don't even play the game!" kind of high-horse. You're a little kiddie that can't get the darn game 'til daddy says so, is all you are.

If this post went un-answered, trust me kid, you'd have done more harm than good.

Someone should UNsticky this post, please; or is it left up to teach him a lesson?

[aillwind]

ahahaha. look what we have here.:wave: