Lvl 60 Rogue Mining - Nerfed?

[Motherlondon]

Sorry to be a bit cryptic here, but those who know about this will know what I'm on about and will probably be a bit annoyed if I explicate what I'm referring to.

Best way until recently to make gold as a lvl 60 rogue was via mining - there is a great area that only rogues can mine, and until a last week it was superb - you could mine 15 thorium veins in an hour or so, and usually have undisputed access - hence my reluctance to name the area, most other rogues (on my server at least - Deathwing Euro) dont even know about it... and there are no posts in the official US or Euro forums about it.

Just recently though (fortunately just as I was able to afford the epic mount), I've noticed some changes. Now quite a few veins spawn as truesilver rather than thorium. Also, I used to get at least 1-2 arcane crystals, plus assorted other gems, per run at the 15 veins - the other day I did 3 circuits and got 1 arcane crystal and no other gems. Most of the veins used to be 3-4 hits, now they've mainly dropped to 2 hits, sometimes with only dense stone being in the vein. I've noticed this over 10+ runs and it seems a bit strange.

Just really looking for any comments from those in the know whether this is the case on their servers also. Just seems a bit odd to be racking in the ackers one minute, to the whole exercise being virtually pointless the next - with lucky drops on the arcane crystals (say 3-4 per run) you could easily make 100G+/hr. I guess it was a bit unfair to say the least that only rogues could effectively mine these veins (stealth and stunlock), would be interested to hear any comments on this subject - 10+ runs of seemingly terrible luck seems a bit unlikely...

Otherwise I guess I''ll just have to work for my money ;)

[Ubermensch6]

It's nothing new mate. http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=328490&page=1&pp=10&highlight=silithus

Don't think it has been nerfed but never know.

[Motherlondon]

It's nothing new mate. http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=328490&page=1&pp=10&highlight=silithus

Don't think it has been nerfed but never know.

Lol yeah I know, thats where I read it ages ago, but I remember there being a request at the time not to bump the thread... but I guess it's bumped now ;)

[Sarnat]

This is probably yet again a good example of the inability of human beings to observe and understand truly random events.

[Motherlondon]

This is probably yet again a good example of the inability of human beings to observe and understand truly random events.

This is probably yet again a good example of a needlessly pompous post on this forum. Many thanks for taking the time Sarnat.

As I said though, 10+ runs = 150+ veins. I am quite capable of understanding random events, and as I stated in my original post I suspected bad luck - I was just looking for feedback from others who do this as to whether they'd noticed anything similar.

[simokaar]

To be exact, nothing in computer games is TRUELY random. ;)

[Thorsson]

To be exact, nothing in computer games is TRUELY random. ;)

True (but truly). I've noted before that the WoW RNG is not as good as it could be - very streaky.

[alansirhc]

I haven't mined in sith much lately because half the time theres not even anything to mine anymore. Too many people do it nowadays. I might start again, since its still better money than anything else.

Since were on the topic of mining though, hows BRD dark iron mining? I've heard of people doing it, but im not having much luck finding unguarded deposits.

[Ludio]

I haven't been mining much recently, but I'm pretty sure thats just bad luck. I know alot of people who still mine there frequently and I haven't heard of anything, so you're probably just having a bad week in the mines. Also seems like you were lucky at the start so in comparison its not so good. I would suggest you keep at it, its still the best money maker imo.

[Motherlondon]

I haven't been mining much recently, but I'm pretty sure thats just bad luck. I know alot of people who still mine there frequently and I haven't heard of anything, so you're probably just having a bad week in the mines. Also seems like you were lucky at the start so in comparison its not so good. I would suggest you keep at it, its still the best money maker imo.

Thanks for the heads up - a Krol just appeared in the AH for 350G buyout (dirt cheap imo), so I'm off for a quick bit of mining ;)

[Yuffie]

I'm probably the only mining roue on my server that knows about this (thnx to this thread) making at least 100g a day. Havent seen any1 there up to now, hope it stays that way for a while, at least till I have 300 more gold for an epic mount.

[Rylan]

Sorry but as a fellow rogue I have to say that this is really bad form.

If you're happy that you can get 100g a day from an activity that no otehr class can engage in then you're the type of person promoting the anti-rogue sentiment wherever the rest of us have to go.

They already want all of our abilities nerfed. Good going on giving them an excuse.

[Yuffie]

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/classes/rogue.html

go there and look under strenghts, it says "Stealth abilities allow the Rogue to reach places more easily than most classes".

Looking at this you should think Blizzard had such things in mind as stealth mining. I really dont know why people on your server or anywhere else hate rogue's. At least its not he case on the server where I play. The only thing they hate is when they get backstabbed while eating in there camp.

[Thorsson]

Sorry but as a fellow rogue I have to say that this is really bad form.

If you're happy that you can get 100g a day from an activity that no otehr class can engage in then you're the type of person promoting the anti-rogue sentiment wherever the rest of us have to go.

They already want all of our abilities nerfed. Good going on giving them an excuse.

Shock, Horror! And Paladins don't have to pay for their mounts at level 40. :surprise: Better not tell Blizzard...

[alansirhc]

Sorry but as a fellow rogue I have to say that this is really bad form.

If you're happy that you can get 100g a day from an activity that no otehr class can engage in then you're the type of person promoting the anti-rogue sentiment wherever the rest of us have to go.

They already want all of our abilities nerfed. Good going on giving them an excuse.
First off, rogues are supposed to be feared and hated - that goes along with being a thief and assassin. Get over it.

Secondly, you have to realize that blizzard doesn't necessarily agree with the players. Just because a few thousand people get ganked by rogues a day think rogues are overpowered doesn't mean its true or that blizzard agrees. Rogues are not overpowered, but they are very good at using the element of surprise to their advantage. Without that, most classes are on even footing with rogues or better.

Thirdly, rogues are thieves. Think about it a second man! You could define a thief by your exact quote.
you can get 100g a day from an activity that no otehr class can engage in
Well, you could if it was spelled correctly, anyways.

Actually, druids can stealth mine pretty good too. They have to kill the mob guarding the ore, but thats not a problem as a druid. NURF THEM NOW!

[Rylan]

go there and look under strenghts, it says "Stealth abilities allow the Rogue to reach places more easily than most classes".Yes you're absoloutley right. What was I thinking? The ability to make three times the cash of other classes and you wonder why people complain that we're unbalanced.

We should have the ability to get to places other classes, but that's not what you're doing. You're getting to those places easily, and your mining them without killing the mobs there. When that skill is used in this way it borders on exploitation because I'm absoloutley positive that Blizzard don't want people mining these areas with no risk.


First off, rogues are supposed to be feared and hated - that goes along with being a thief and assassin. Get over it.You need to stop thinking that you're a rogue for a minute and remember that first and foremost we are people. The character can be hated but that doesn't mean you, the player behind the avatar does. The class should be feared, hated I don't think so. Outright detested because certain people are farming mining spots others can't, bragging about it and then having the outright audacity to whine when it appears that the drop rate has decreased?

Well, you could if it was spelled correctly, I think perhaps you misunderstood when someone told you to master cheap shot.

[Ludio]

Yes you're absoloutley right. What was I thinking? The ability to make three times the cash of other classes and you wonder why people complain that we're unbalanced.

We should have the ability to get to places other classes, but that's not what you're doing. You're getting to those places easily, and your mining them without killing the mobs there. When that skill is used in this way it borders on exploitation because I'm absoloutley positive that Blizzard don't want people mining these areas with no risk.


You need to stop thinking that you're a rogue for a minute and remember that first and foremost we are people. The character can be hated but that doesn't mean you, the player behind the avatar does. The class should be feared, hated I don't think so. Outright detested because certain people are farming mining spots others can't, bragging about it and then having the outright audacity to whine when it appears that the drop rate has decreased?

I think perhaps you misunderstood when someone told you to master cheap shot.

This is a constructive thread on rogue mining in silithus, we don't need any anti-rogue trolling here ok? The official forums are full of trash like this already, lets keep these boards nice.

[Rylan]

This is a constructive thread on rogue mining in silithus, we don't need any anti-rogue trolling here ok? The official forums are full of trash like this already, lets keep these boards nice.No. It isn't trolling and it's not anti-rogue either because I am a rogue. You're right that the forums are full of this trash though and you can't blame people for it.

C'mon, look at it objectively. If you could mine whilst invisible and only one class had invisibility you, and the rest of these people would be all over it.

Just because it's your class that can do it, don't lose sight of the fact that it's not right.

[Motherlondon]

Outright detested because certain people are farming mining spots others can't, bragging about it and then having the outright audacity to whine when it appears that the drop rate has decreased?

Erm Rylan did you read my original post? I actually said that I thought it was a bit unfair that only rogues could mine these spots, so save the flames please. I was speculating as to whether the drop rates had decreased, not "whining" as you say.

As it stands now I'm of the opinion that you can make about 40g/hr from this, not out of line with other grinding methods. 100g/day? Sounds low to me, if you were doing it all day you could make a lot more, as you could from grinding mobs. It's not risk free either, some of those mobs have got nasty DoTs on them, I've died quite a few times down the hives.

[Rylan]

You know what...save it. You admit it's a bit unfair, I think it's unfair.

Seems to me that we both think the same thing. Only one of us continues to do it.

[Motherlondon]

You know what...save it. You admit it's a bit unfair, I think it's unfair.

Seems to me that we both think the same thing. Only one of us continues to do it.

I guess you think it's wrong solo stealthing through BRD for the shanker? Or doing rogue/druid stealth runs in LBRS, straight to the bosses?

If you want to wilfully gimp yourself fine, but maybe posting here is a little pointless.

[Sarnat]

You know what...save it. You admit it's a bit unfair, I think it's unfair.

Seems to me that we both think the same thing. Only one of us continues to do it.

Warriors use shields. We dont. UNFAIR!!1 ZOMG BANZOR WORRIORR

[Krollin]

You know what...save it. You admit it's a bit unfair, I think it's unfair.

Seems to me that we both think the same thing. Only one of us continues to do it.
It is neither unfair nor is it an exploitation if we are using our abilities to do something that is allowed by the game.

I am sure Blizzard keep a good eye on things like this and will, if they see fit to do so, re-itemize or otherwise address any balance issues in this zone.

A lot of people say that Rogues being able to ninja certain quests simply because they can stealth through it is also unfair and exploitative but Blizzard have said expressly that this is one of the advantages that Rogues enjoy.

A lot of the cries of "unfair" are symptoms of jealousy, it would appear that not even Rogues are free of this emotion.

[squigipapa]

It is neither unfair nor is it an exploitation if we are using our abilities to do something that is allowed by the game.

I am sure Blizzard keep a good eye on things like this and will, if they see fit to do so, re-itemize or otherwise address any balance issues in this zone.

A lot of people say that Rogues being able to ninja certain quests simply because they can stealth through it is also unfair and exploitative but Blizzard have said expressly that this is one of the advantages that Rogues enjoy.

A lot of the cries of "unfair" are symptoms of jealousy, it would appear that not even Rogues are free of this emotion.

Totally, Totally agree. I'm a herb/alch. However, I'm planning to dump herbilsm at level 60 and take up mineing for the sole purpose of mining sith. (then making my own arcanite)

Using a skill thats unique to our class, to achieve a goal or complete a task that is somewhat unique to our class is not exploitation or unfair in any way shape or form.

Rylan is complaining about the fact that this is unfair because other classes cannot do it as well.

Is it unfair that a rogue is the only class that can attack someone, completly out of the blue, begin that fight with a 4 second stun, leading into a 5.5 second disorient, followed by another 6 second stun? If you happen to break free of the stun and do some damage, you're getting some blinding powder in your face, which will disorient you long enough for me to bandage to full health. Then I have a skill that lets me do this all over agin, and if something should happen to not go my way, in a cloud of smoke ... I'm gone! I'm a rogue. Fairness is for Paladins.


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Do these sound like the words used to describe someone that cares in the least little bit about whether it's 'unfair' that they can sneek into a location and steal something that someone else may not have the ability to do?

Mineing sith. is a very 'rogue' thing to do.

Sneeking around an enemy encampment and stealing chests that may be there is a very 'rogue' thing to do.

Sneeking down into a mine, or underground lair full of baddies that could rip the rogue to pieces, in order to walk into the miner's tavern, and kill their bartender so you can steal a knife that you heard he may be carring, is a very rogue thing to do.

I enjoy being a rogue very much. There is nothing wrong with a rogue using their skills to benifit only themselves... (Read the description of rogues in the strategy guide.. )

[Rylan]

It's a bit late now. The OP has admitted it's unfair. The people doing this have requested that nobody bump the post for fear because they don't want to bring it to anyone's attention.

That sound like the actions of people who believe what they're doing is right?

I'm out, you guys can carry on with this one as much as you like. You know it's wrong and you carry on defending it. Have a nice day.

[squigipapa]

It's a bit late now. The OP has admitted it's unfair. The people doing this have requested that nobody bump the post for fear because they don't want to bring it to anyone's attention.

That sound like the actions of people who believe what they're doing is right?

I'm out, you guys can carry on with this one as much as you like. You know it's wrong and you carry on defending it. Have a nice day.


The original poster admited it's unfair. Damn, guess that makes it official.

Not that it matters anymore anyway, Rylan's out, without his valued oppinion on this whole thing, the conversation seems kinda meaningless now.

if you can't think of any arguement better than "haha, I got the OP to admit it's unfair, i'm right, you're wrong" then don't even bother posting.

the ones requesting that it not be bumped, we're indeed self serving, simply because they probably diden't want to end up with a massive amount of competition down there mining, not because they 'thought they were exploiting a bug and diden't want blizzard fixing it' .. . stealth gathering is a common practice with rogues. In fact if you wanted to create a money making 'gatherer' a rogue is the BEST choice. Rogues, are also able to gather unlimited numbers of blue items to disenchant from bosses. A rogue (potentially a druid) is really the only class left that can actually make money off of running doen, since they nerfed his vendor prices, disenchanting and selling the shards on the AH is the way to rake in money with this NPC, no one else can do it.. blizzard knows about it.. dosen't change anything..

However, I don't even know why I'm posting a response to you though, you've already stated that 'You're out' and given your desicive stance on the subject at hand, if you changed your mind and posted a reply after being 'out', it would clearly demonstrate that you don't really stand by what you're saying and just want to post blanket statements to 'troll' others in the forum.

I don't mind hearing arguements for/against either side, but 'na, na, na,.. na .. na' statements like 'it's a bit late now.. the op already admited it was unfair' dosen't prove your arguement, but rather points out that you don't actually have an intelligent arguement in the first place.

Tell me why it's 'unfair' ... I'll tell you why it isen't. Give me multiple examples of what 'is' fair, and what 'isen't' .. and I'll give you multiple examples to shoot down whatever you say.... and if you're arguements are good enough, and you convince me, I'll say that I haden't thought of that, and admit you're right .. that's what a discussion forum is all about isen't it?

[Ludio]

Hes a troll, don't expect too much.

[tomeeverglade]

This is probably yet again a good example of a needlessly pompous post on this forum. Many thanks for taking the time Sarnat.

As I said though, 10+ runs = 150+ veins. I am quite capable of understanding random events, and as I stated in my original post I suspected bad luck - I was just looking for feedback from others who do this as to whether they'd noticed anything similar.

OWNED!!!!!

[Logain]

Would it be worth it to drop skinning 300, and mine up al the way too 300 for this?

[Ludio]

Would it be worth it to drop skinning 300, and mine up al the way too 300 for this?

If your only goal is to make money then yes it's worth it. However I know a few rogues in my guild don't have it because they are the main leather workers/skinners.

[Maven]

Anyone else play a necro in EQ? There was a place in the Plane of Torment that only necros could farm an item that was worth 25k pp or so. Just because it could be done didn't mean anyone could do it though. I watched about 25 deaths in one day as people tried. I was the only other one to make it besides the guy who was instructing us on how it was done. I had just made 65, and a the other guys had been living the easy life for too long, they had awsome high end items but lacked the skills.

You think Sony saw it as a exploit? I doubt it, not only was it a huge pain, immensly dangerous, and possibly expensive, but honestly they were probably just glad someone used the zone for something more then the occasional raid.

I would think it would be similiar for Blizzard, they should be happy that someone comes here for something, since it sounds like a pretty boring place anyway. And jeez..you know they probably spent a half a million just making it. Should be happy someone takes an interest and spends some modicum of time there.

I do have mining and will mine there when I make 60. Unfortunately I've just haven't wanted to play much lately.

Maven