Battlegrounds under level 50? HAH!

[Ravon]

has anyone gotten into one being under level 40 since patch 1.7?

On the server I am on, Blackhand.. I have signed up every day, and put up with the gongs, every day...

but good lord, 50 hours in waiting! not one battleground!

I believe it's just that there are not enough horde players to do one, but.. I can't prove it. Unless some of you can help? :)

[Raistlin Majere]

I concur, I have been sitting in que forever, with the estmated time being univalibe and not changing. No one in the 40's is not coming to WSG any more.

[mesonm]

has anyone gotten into one being under level 40 since patch 1.7?

On the server I am on, Blackhand.. I have signed up every day, and put up with the gongs, every day...

but good lord, 50 hours in waiting! not one battleground!

I believe it's just that there are not enough horde players to do one, but.. I can't prove it. Unless some of you can help? :)

Or, it could be an absence of alli players...Either shortfall will prevent a match from starting, so far as I know.

You say lvl 50 in the title, but lvl 40 in the text...Unsure which you mean...But the answer is still basically the same...

Wait until the novelty of AB dies down, and WSG will be back in the game...heh (I am presuming that you refer to WSG as BG, although AB is also a BG, IMHO)

[Raistlin Majere]

Or, it could be an absence of alli players...Either shortfall will prevent a match from starting, so far as I know.

I play alliance, and in the general chat in SW and IF, there are more than enough people trying to get in for a match. no where near as many as it used to be, but more than enough for a match.

I just think everyone is at AB or something.

[tigersnake]

me too.

On saturday morning i signed up and was placed in the queue.......11 hours later nothing!

Sunday morning signed up and was placed in a queue......7 hours later nothing!

Sunday evening logged on...was asked to join a raid group....joined the group, was given the message whether to join the battle or hide pressed join and guess what ...nothing!

I then asked in raid chat why this happened and guess what the answer was....i was too low level to go in with them (lvl 32 Dwarf Hunter).....no apologies nothing.

B&stards

[Ravon]

Or, it could be an absence of alli players...Either shortfall will prevent a match from starting, so far as I know.

You say lvl 50 in the title, but lvl 40 in the text...Unsure which you mean...But the answer is still basically the same...

Wait until the novelty of AB dies down, and WSG will be back in the game...heh (I am presuming that you refer to WSG as BG, although AB is also a BG, IMHO)

To answer the lvl's in question.. While waiting on BG's I do a constant /who check of everyone under lvl 50 for Horde side on Blackhand.. absolutely no one is in a battleground.

I have tried to join AB and WSG both, unfortunatly, nothing is going on!

I have yet to try putting together a group of 10 to see if Alliance have players waiting, but seeing as it is 4:1 alliance:horde, then there might be a chance.

sigh... I had just started them right before the patch, went in 2.. they were so much fun!

[Ravon]

Sorry to bump this, but has anyone under lvl 50 gotten into a BG yet? I'm still spenting countless hours waiting for one...

of course, I've gotten 4 levels now while waiting, but I still miss the epic fun of the battlegrounds.

[maladroit2000]

Wait until the novelty of AB dies down, and WSG will be back in the game...heh (I am presuming that you refer to WSG as BG, although AB is also a BG, IMHO)

I doubt WSG will ever be back in business. Horde has a huge advantage in WSG because of Shaman (mainly ghostwolf form but also general pvp excellence) and hence win a lot more games than Alliance. With Arathi Basin things seem much more even (Shaman advantage not so great here) - I have played 17 times in AB with 9 Alliance wins and 8 Horde wins. I seriously doubt if enough Alliance will sign up to WSG for horde to ever get a game because of this.

[Lewisham]

That's just Alliance FUD :) Shamen do not have a marked advantage apart from perhaps in the 20-29 bounding. Druids have travel form at 30, and hunters have aspect of the cheetah at 20.

I've never played an instance where Ghost Wolf has made a marked improvment. If the Alliance team is any good, the wolf will be dead before they leave the base. If not, they should be dead by the time they get across the battleground because a priest can't keep up with them either. You should get enough dazes off to cause the flag to drop.

The best way to win WSG is a Warrior / Priest combo working as a single group by themselves. The rest of the raid runs a distraction force, filling the screen up with bodies while the warrior grabs the flag. The warrior is easy to spot, but the priest isn't. Hang in the middle (or even better, off to the side behind a tree or something) and heal the warrior from nowhere. By the time the Alliance find the priest, or are even able to hit him long enough for the shield to go down, the warrior is already gone.

EDIT: Back on topic, WSG seems fine to me, but Arathi Basin has not had one instance open in the 20-29 boundary all weekend.

Chris

[Ravon]

EDIT: Back on topic, WSG seems fine to me, but Arathi Basin has not had one instance open in the 20-29 boundary all weekend.

Chris

So you have gotten in!!! sweet. That's what I was looking for. Seriously there has not been any BG's going on at any of them on my server. I was even wondering if they were broken at times lol. (for under 50 of course)

Or, I assume you have been in WSG?
Maybe I should get a group of 10 together and test this out.

[mesonm]

Sorry to bump this, but has anyone under lvl 50 gotten into a BG yet? I'm still spenting countless hours waiting for one...

of course, I've gotten 4 levels now while waiting, but I still miss the epic fun of the battlegrounds.

Your question is server-specific...I get in AB all of the time(I'm Horde), and have advanced in rank, as a lvl 45, since Tuesday.

[ti83plus]

Its because of the level bindings, now one sub lvl 50s want to PVP anymore the 21-30 that use to dominate all the PVP queues is gone, i remember haulting my Dwarf hunter lvl at 30 just to PVP. Now on Gilneas theres no PVP BGs below 40. so i blame Blizzard

[Ravon]

Your question is server-specific...I get in AB all of the time(I'm Horde), and have advanced in rank, as a lvl 45, since Tuesday.

server specific maybe, but I was indeed asking if anyone at all could get in under lvl 50 :)

glad to see you could, it merely means my server is under-populated.

Time to make a raid group!

[BlackLeaf]

I too noticed this on my server. Before the patch I would be able to get in a WSG game without having wo wait too long. Since then I've checked both Arathi Basin and WSG and it always says "Unavailable (Last 10 Players)". This is a new char I started on US Stormrage to play with some real life friends that were already on the server, and my character is level 26. Kind of a bummer cause I liked being able to play in the BGs to spice things up in between the quest grind.

[Bokar]

I was on vacation for much of last week, but I've tried to get into AB with a 39 orc warrior, a 50 gnome warlock, and a 52 troll shaman so far. None of them have made it in. When I stood by the instance, the only people I saw coming out were ALL level 60. The warrior is on Dragonblight, the other two on Shadowsong. I've heard the games are pretty short, too..

I've also heard claims that the WG entrance area was completely deserted when someone checked, at least on the Alliance side.

[Kasaan]

oh dang i feel alot of people.

im a 33 priest, trying to get into AB. longass queue. i got in one day after a 1 hr 20 min wait, all other times i went over 3 hr and then logged. "Unavailabe(last 10 players)" wtf does that mean?. i thought alter, its just AB is new, everyone wants to check it out. i decided to go to my old WSG, thinking there shouldnt be much of a wait. still, unavailable(last 10 players) i dont get it.... is it jsut shutting down bg or something???? its impossible to get in.

[Ravon]

I put together a raid group of 10 horde on blackhand, where we are outnumbered apparanlty 4-1. (lvl 30-39)

well, call me ignorant if you would like, but I had assumed there would be at least 8 alliance signed up for WSG.. or maybe Arathi Basin..

Was I wrong? I still don't think so, but a raid group of 10 COULD NOT get into a battleground! What the hell..

ever since the patch, it's always the same

Average Wait Time: UNAVAILABLE

<GONG>

I'm getting sick of this wait :(

[BlackLeaf]

I did some /whos last night on Stormrage and it didn't look pretty. A /who of Alterac Valley turned up nothing. No surprise there. A /who of WSG turned up nothing. Still not too big of a surprise I guess since AB is so new, but I would've thought that maybe there would've been some folks in there that would've felt like doing some CTFing. The /who of AB showed 49 folks in it. Most of them level 60, but also some level 40s. So at least on US Stormrage, horde side, there are no BGs under level 40 during those hours 7-10pm est. Pretty disapointing that one can't just have some fun in the BGs anymore at a lower level :(

[mesonm]

On my server, (which is full) I went to four AB's in a row last night...The last one was only populated by 10 or so peeps on each side, but the previous ones had 14-15 on each side...


I did some /whos last night on Stormrage and it didn't look pretty. A /who of Alterac Valley turned up nothing. No surprise there. A /who of WSG turned up nothing. Still not too big of a surprise I guess since AB is so new, but I would've thought that maybe there would've been some folks in there that would've felt like doing some CTFing. The /who of AB showed 49 folks in it. Most of them level 60, but also some level 40s. So at least on US Stormrage, horde side, there are no BGs under level 40 during those hours 7-10pm est. Pretty disapointing that one can't just have some fun in the BGs anymore at a lower level :(

[Ravon]

I wish they could make some 5v5 battlegrounds... just take a group into them..

[BlackLeaf]

On my server, (which is full) I went to four AB's in a row last night...The last one was only populated by 10 or so peeps on each side, but the previous ones had 14-15 on each side...

I looked into it a bit more, and have found out that the general attitude of pvping on Stormrage is very low. The realm forums have a couple of topics about why the horde don't go into BGs. Strange since I thought that the pvp on the server wasn't that bad pre-patch. Ah well. I'll just have to get to 60 since that's where it seems like most of the BGs are taking place now :|

Also the fact that you're on a pvp server probably helps some. Especially if that's the US Laughing Skull. I played on that server at launch when the pvp ruleset sounded more exciting, and the folks on that server were ALL hardcore about the game.

Expanding on Ravon's thought, I wish they'd just make it so BGs would start up with half the max players on each side if said players had been waiting in the queue for the BG for more than X number of minutes. That way some games would at least get going.

[degnar]

One thought I've been having is that they need more battlemasters. I can get into AB with the 40-49 group. Problem is that I am usually in STV questing, and it is a chore to go to Org or Arathi just to get in the queue. I do it because I like the BGs. But I'm betting that 90% of the people at my level don't make the trip.

Add battlemasters to all of the major towns. That, coupled with the 1.7 change where you return to your original position, would help a lot to get more people into BGs.

[Ravon]

I think there is another solution that doesn't even change NPC's, or amount of battlemasters..

It's actually quite simple. Add a freakin chart saying who's in it. Then people can see how many are waiting, and judge themselves as to how long it will be. Screw the anonymous wait.

[mesonm]

I think there is another solution that doesn't even change NPC's, or amount of battlemasters..

It's actually quite simple. Add a freakin chart saying who's in it. Then people can see how many are waiting, and judge themselves as to how long it will be. Screw the anonymous wait.

Agree in part, disagree in part...

No chart, or folks will add or leave depending on who they think they will be partied with...

Just give you numbers...(e.g. you are 12th out of 15 in the horde queue...and there are 8 in the opposing faction queue.)

[maladroit2000]

That's just Alliance FUD :) Shamen do not have a marked advantage apart from perhaps in the 20-29 bounding. Druids have travel form at 30, and hunters have aspect of the cheetah at 20.

I've never played an instance where Ghost Wolf has made a marked improvment. If the Alliance team is any good, the wolf will be dead before they leave the base. If not, they should be dead by the time they get across the battleground because a priest can't keep up with them either. You should get enough dazes off to cause the flag to drop.

The best way to win WSG is a Warrior / Priest combo working as a single group by themselves. The rest of the raid runs a distraction force, filling the screen up with bodies while the warrior grabs the flag. The warrior is easy to spot, but the priest isn't. Hang in the middle (or even better, off to the side behind a tree or something) and heal the warrior from nowhere. By the time the Alliance find the priest, or are even able to hit him long enough for the shield to go down, the warrior is already gone.

EDIT: Back on topic, WSG seems fine to me, but Arathi Basin has not had one instance open in the 20-29 boundary all weekend.

Chris

In my experience Shaman are just incredibly powerful in WSG - make excellent flag carriers with ghostwolf, all that healing, tough to kill, those annoying earthbind totems etc. They rule WSG because of the nature of the capture the flag game - they have everything going for them. So of course Horde win more in WSG. Aspect of the cheetah is no good because of the stun effect and very often I find there is no druid on my side. As an alliance player I don't think I will ever enter WSG again now that AB is going and I know a lot of my friends feel the same.

Aspect of the cheetah is no good because of the stun effect and very often I find

(So far in AB its 11 Alliance wins, 11 Horde wins for me. Everything still seams pretty even to me)

PS I will just sheep and counterspell the Priest in the situation you describe (or possibly sheep the warrior depending on the exact circumstances)

[Ravon]

Agree in part, disagree in part...

No chart, or folks will add or leave depending on who they think they will be partied with...

Just give you numbers...(e.g. you are 12th out of 15 in the horde queue...and there are 8 in the opposing faction queue.)

I like that idea too. Just anything to let players know how long, or how far along the BG is.. would be greatly appreciated. It's not like Blizzard can't do this.. it would be so simple.

[Bokar]

My undead priest finally got into my first post-1.7 battleground last night - Warsong Gulch. The 20-29 level range, they seemed to be the only ones using it. Still haven't been to AB with any character.

Funny, I got in at level 30; I was 29 when I put myself in the queue, waited about 15 minutes, then Hearthstoned to TM to turn in a quest. I leveled, and a few seconds later I got the summons.. I wasn't sure what would happen, if it would kick me out of the queue or change my queue, but I got in, and I was the only level 30 there. No level 30 spells, of course.

Also odd, with this same priest, I'd complained that the fights were too fast and easy, and I'd won one battle without earning a single HK. Last night, I had to leave after about 80 minutes to go to a concert, and the score was 1/1 when I left.. :surprise:

I only died twice the whole time, and spent about half the time standing guard over my side's flag carrier while the rest of the team tried in vain to return our flag. That was fun, priest protecting a warrior from the enemy, I felt like Gandalf there with my staff, "You Shall Not Pass!" :happy14:

[Drewstein]

That's just Alliance FUD :) Shamen do not have a marked advantage apart from perhaps in the 20-29 bounding. Druids have travel form at 30, and hunters have aspect of the cheetah at 20.

Chris
Earth bind, ghost wolf, natures swiftness. What?

Run in with your group, grab the flag, earth bind, and run out. Earth bind gives such an unfair advantage. Especially if the shammy is guarding the druid who can shift when slowed and they both have natures swiftness and both have travel forms. On top of that they're nerfing mind control + pallie bubble to make horde drop the flag.

Alliance have no AoE slow and one class with travel form, horde have two with the form and AoE slow. That's fair?

[Bokar]

Finally, finally got into Arathi Basin, it was my orc warrior, level 39. Made it in twice, got spanked bad both times. People need to learn, go take the unguarded flags, and don't get into a long, drawn out battle at the flag closest to your base. First game, we couldn't even hold onto the Farm very well..

Also, it didn't help that my lag was nasty if more than 2 Alliance were in the immediate area. Upgrading from 512MB to 768MB mostly eliminated such problems in WG, but it looks like 768MB isn't enough for AB. Couldn't swing my axe to save my life, literally..

[Ravon]

perhaps people could start up some chat channels specifically used for BGs?

or even blizzard could make one that defaults?

would be real nice talking to others who want to pvp, then grouping / raiding. Communication is probably the hardest part in making a BG work.

maybe:
/join BG20-29
/join BG30-39
/join BG40-49
/join BG50-59
/join BG60

/shrug

just a thought