How to deal with jerks

[Lewisham]

I've got a level 24 warrior on an RPPVP server, and its great fun. I enjoy fighting off the raids and such. Everything is pretty much consensual: don't fight if you don't want it.

Recently, I was of a high enough level to go to Duskwood. Every day, one particular level 37 hunter ganks. Every. Single. Person. For hours. It makes the game no fun at all, its just about being a jerk to him, obviously.

Now, as much as I pity the fact he has no friends and no girlfriend to speak of, it's pretty tedious dying in three seconds, and corpse-running for four minutes.

Is there any way to deal with this sort of stuff, or do you actually have to let them win and leave the area until they go away?

Chris

[Moonmist]

You might want to read up on WoW's definition of griefing under their punishment policy. (I would link it for you, but I can't get the official page to load for some stupid reason). It sounds to me as if that qualifies, and if so, that's a punishable offense.

Get screenshots and report him. The worst that happens is they say there's nothing they can do. But you might be able to make your server a better place if they do take action.

Good luck!!!

[CanadianBacon]

don't play on a pvp server.

[Manaselatasy]

I've got a level 24 warrior on an RPPVP server, and its great fun. I enjoy fighting off the raids and such. Everything is pretty much consensual: don't fight if you don't want it.

Recently, I was of a high enough level to go to Duskwood. Every day, one particular level 37 hunter ganks. Every. Single. Person. For hours. It makes the game no fun at all, its just about being a jerk to him, obviously.

Now, as much as I pity the fact he has no friends and no girlfriend to speak of, it's pretty tedious dying in three seconds, and corpse-running for four minutes.

Is there any way to deal with this sort of stuff, or do you actually have to let them win and leave the area until they go away?

Chris

First off, Don't criticize down to the point where you're verbally insulting his social life. Secondly, with that kind of attitude, might as well go back no the non-PvP servers. What's with these people in this game, everytime they get ganked one time or lose to a specific class during a duel, or miss the looting, or die because some skill had too long of a cooldown, always post in the forums hoping that it will make everything better. PVP IS DANGEROUS. DEAL.

[Raging]

I've got a level 24 warrior on an RPPVP server, and its great fun. I enjoy fighting off the raids and such. Everything is pretty much consensual: don't fight if you don't want it.

Recently, I was of a high enough level to go to Duskwood. Every day, one particular level 37 hunter ganks. Every. Single. Person. For hours. It makes the game no fun at all, its just about being a jerk to him, obviously.

Now, as much as I pity the fact he has no friends and no girlfriend to speak of, it's pretty tedious dying in three seconds, and corpse-running for four minutes.

Is there any way to deal with this sort of stuff, or do you actually have to let them win and leave the area until they go away?

Chris

I'd say go back to a PvE server. You obviously can't take being ganked and if just one person is getting to you then just wait until you get higher and more people start to gank you when you're trying to finish a quest.

If you have to resort to personal insults because you were killed, or camped, or griefed then you're a little to fragile to be playing open PvP. People that post and cry about this thing only get griefed even more.

[Lewisham]

I don't understand all this virtriol guys, he's been in the same place for 4 days, for hours at a time. It's no challenge, he's just there to grief other people.

I'm not whining. I was ganked 10+ times, along with everyone else. I'd like to understand what the point is, and, preferably, have a way to fight back/solve the problem. That's why I asked the question.

Getting slammed for little reason isn't usually the sort of "helpfulness" I expect from these forums...

Chris

[Hateblade]

First off, are you in a guild? If so, then my 2 cents is to get a guildie that is like lvl 45-60, insanely bored, and feeling rather mean. Have that guildie go to this spot, and RAPE the hunter over and over again. Give him a dose of his own medicine. If you aren't in a guild, then let people know in General Chat that there is a bunghole ganker pickin on low lvls in the area, and watch how fast your fellow peeps rush to the aid. Gankers are very easy to fix by ganking them right back. Sad that it comes to that, but some people only learn when they are put into the fire for themselves.

[MonkeyDust]

Problem is that most people who play on a PVP server have ganked others at one time in their life. The lack of sympathy comes because people may think PVP = Kill any Horde/Alliance. They are right to some extent (I play on a PVP server and get ganked more often than not).

I live with it as that is the nature of the beast although I have never found anyone give a satisfactory answer to the fact that someone who is 20 levels higher than you (or more) gets off his horse, kills you in two seconds, then corpse camps you for half an hour (which happened to me lol! :surprise: )

It is a PVP server but where is the challenge in that? In order to deal with the gankers you have to let people know in General Chat about the hunter. Trust me - more than enough people will come looking to gank back!!!!

Don't let it get you down. Eventually you'll be high enough level to get your own back - just make a note of the name ;)

Good luck and enjoy the game! :happy14:

MonkeyDust

[WingedNazgul]

I've got a level 24 warrior on an RPPVP server, and its great fun. I enjoy fighting off the raids and such. Everything is pretty much consensual: don't fight if you don't want it.

Recently, I was of a high enough level to go to Duskwood. Every day, one particular level 37 hunter ganks. Every. Single. Person. For hours. It makes the game no fun at all, its just about being a jerk to him, obviously.

Now, as much as I pity the fact he has no friends and no girlfriend to speak of, it's pretty tedious dying in three seconds, and corpse-running for four minutes.

Is there any way to deal with this sort of stuff, or do you actually have to let them win and leave the area until they go away?

Chris

Maybe he's role-playing a jerk?

[Raging]

Problem is that most people who play on a PVP server have ganked others at one time in their life. The lack of sympathy comes because people may think PVP = Kill any Horde/Alliance. They are right to some extent (I play on a PVP server and get ganked more often than not).

I live with it as that is the nature of the beast although I have never found anyone give a satisfactory answer to the fact that someone who is 20 levels higher than you (or more) gets off his horse, kills you in two seconds, then corpse camps you for half an hour (which happened to me lol! :surprise: )

It is a PVP server but where is the challenge in that? In order to deal with the gankers you have to let people know in General Chat about the hunter. Trust me - more than enough people will come looking to gank back!!!!

Don't let it get you down. Eventually you'll be high enough level to get your own back - just make a note of the name ;)

Good luck and enjoy the game! :happy14:

MonkeyDust

Some people say they do it because it happened to them. Other people say they do it to impeed the leveling process so the opposite faction doesn't have as many 60's. I do it to lowbies to cause grief or frustration. Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game.

[Isabeau]

It is a pvp server, he's probably role playing being a jerk..not much you can do about that except to play on a pve server. Of course then you might have to deal with the occasional flagged high level moron who jumps around your kills and trys to get you to accidentally attack them.. ;)

Bottom line, there are pinheads everywhere...you can't escape :thanks:

[Lewisham]

Thanks for the help guys, I guess there is little to be done! I was wondering if there was some sort of PvP magic that I didn't know about :uhhuh:

With the newness of the server, only a few select guilds (that want more time than I can spare) have high level chars, I'm the highest in mine at 24. I'll grin and bear it, carry on to a different zone or try and get a force out to sort any griefers.

Then when I'm a high level character, I can patrol around on my ram smiting those that prey on the weak :)

Chris

[MonkeyDust]

Some people say they do it because it happened to them. Other people say they do it to impeed the leveling process so the opposite faction doesn't have as many 60's. I do it to lowbies to cause grief or frustration. Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game.

Dude - that is probably the most honest answer (and most funny) that I have come across and I applaud you sir! :happy65:

[Fast Eddy]

Dude - that is probably the most honest answer (and most funny) that I have come across and I applaud you sir! :happy65:

It is honest...but funny or laudable??? No. It's sort of sad. It's the bully mentality.

[Snugglz]

I've got a level 24 warrior on an RPPVP server, and its great fun. I enjoy fighting off the raids and such. Everything is pretty much consensual: don't fight if you don't want it.

Recently, I was of a high enough level to go to Duskwood. Every day, one particular level 37 hunter ganks. Every. Single. Person. For hours. It makes the game no fun at all, its just about being a jerk to him, obviously.

Now, as much as I pity the fact he has no friends and no girlfriend to speak of, it's pretty tedious dying in three seconds, and corpse-running for four minutes.

Is there any way to deal with this sort of stuff, or do you actually have to let them win and leave the area until they go away?

Chris

All I have to say is: Stranglethorn vale /laugh

[Gainon]

I know it's a silly little dream of mine, but I wish Blizzard would have set up the server types thusly:

PvP: As it is now, but with some kind of last-resort way to get out of an extended no-win griefing/ganking situation, such as instant hearths when rezzing in the graveyard for graveyard campers, or a workable dishonor system.

Normal: PvP enabled by default, but you can turn it off on a timer by using the /pvp flag.

RP: As it is: PvP disabled by default, but you can turn it on with the /pvp flag or by attacking PvP-enabled enemies.

*shrug*

[Northalius]

I do it to lowbies to cause grief or frustration. Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game.

Yeah, then someone hacks into your computer, steals your account information, plays your characters, while laughing at you, saying "Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game. Hey, don't be mad at me, I'm role-playing this power that was given to me by the gods above, to warp my soul into anothers' body and play with them, to grief them! This is ART! I'm an ARTIST of grief! DEAL WITH IT!"

Oh? Didn't think so.

[Azagal]

I hate the argument 'go play on a PvE server'....

The OP enjoys raids, fights and such, but ganking, camping, griefing, insulting, whatever is NOT part of PvP. And especially not on a RPPvP server. You'd think people would be more mature.

It is pretty easy to find these people on the normal PvP servers. They don't need a reason to kill, even if they are killing defenceless lowbies.

That should NOT be the situation on a RP realm, be it PvP or not. You'd think that the old idea of Honor still applies to the Horde, right? Huh, guess what? It doesn't.

If this was a normal RP server, I'd suggest you adressed him with a Horde alt, and asked him his reasons to do what he does. If he has a good reason, then I'd acept it.

You being on a PvP server, however, presents problems. Your best bet is to travel in a larger group, perhaps get an escort (which shouldn't be too hard, since this is easily RP'd as you being afraid of a big bad Orc) or use the official boards to adress the hordies on your server, and have them deal with him.

This behaviour is unacceptable on a RP server, in my opinion. And I know that you wil be able to find someone who thinkns the same, from either side.

Good luck, happy hunting.

[WingedNazgul]

This behaviour is unacceptable on a RP server, in my opinion.

Maybe he's role-playing that his family was murdered by Alliance and he now has a burning, seething hatred of them. Or something.

[Fayeborn]

I'm also on a rp-pvp server and I love it. Constantly swiveling around to make sure I'm in the clear. I haven't been ganked yet, per se'. I have let several alliance slip by not wanting to draw undue attention to myself in contested lands. I can assure you though that when the ganking begins, I will also gank.

Some of these folks have played games in the past where it doesn't matter. Once you settle in to gain some exp someone starts ganking. It happens. Because of that, gank first - ask questions later.

[krymzon]

Maybe he's role-playing a jerk?

haha...thats gold. so honest, so true, so funny.

[Azagal]

Maybe he's role-playing that his family was murdered by Alliance and he now has a burning, seething hatred of them. Or something.

If it is so, it is acceptable in my book.

[brandondash]

Yeah, then someone hacks into your computer, steals your account information, plays your characters, while laughing at you, saying "Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game. Hey, don't be mad at me, I'm role-playing this power that was given to me by the gods above, to warp my soul into anothers' body and play with them, to grief them! This is ART! I'm an ARTIST of grief! DEAL WITH IT!"

Oh? Didn't think so.
That was quite a non-sequitor there, and really had nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever.

[Raging]

Yeah, then someone hacks into your computer, steals your account information, plays your characters, while laughing at you, saying "Griefing is an art form really, and it's part of the game. Hey, don't be mad at me, I'm role-playing this power that was given to me by the gods above, to warp my soul into anothers' body and play with them, to grief them! This is ART! I'm an ARTIST of grief! DEAL WITH IT!"

Oh? Didn't think so.

Well, he'd be breaking the law by hacking into my computer and stealing my information so that's not ok. The good thing is, he'd be playing my character right.

Thanks for that unintelligible block of text you called a response though.

[Sophocles]

1) Join a guild.
2) Find a 60 rogue in said guild (there are lots of us).
3) Have 60 rogue 1-shot hunter for 2 hrs. straight (we're really bored).
4) /spit

[Praxis]

Just take his name, and hope you run into him again when your levels are more equitable... Then kick the ever living **** out of him repeatedly. Because there's one thing that's almost guaranteed, if he's getting all his target practice on lowbies it's because people who stand a chance beat him far too much for his own liking.

All this stuff about "it shouldn't happen on an RP server" is rubbish imo, it is a PVP-RP server after all and like Blizzard say there are mechanisms in place for you to take care of this yourself in game (by killing him back). Remember, revenge is a dish best served anyway you can make them take it. Strength and honour :)

[oper]

1: there is nothing to do corpse camping IS LEGAL, and considered a part of the experience - release and ress at spirit healer - run like hell
2: get all the people in the area that are getting ganked to join up and kill him (5 lvl 20 easily beat one lvl 37)
3:reroll on a PvE server


griefing is very effective at keeping specific people from playing on a server. during beta, a particularly hated person was identified as playing on the same server as my guild, that included 20+ people from the same city as him. we got friends on the horde side to add him as friend, and setup a permanent kill reward (every day everyone would add 1g to a pool). eventually he couldnt log on without us knowing and sending gank parties to his zone. He stopped playing on the server shortly after that.

[fragcow]

I would have ressed at the graveyard and gone and sat with the alliance guards at the junction down to Stranglethorn for a while as they would have kicked his ass probably.

Either that or regroup at Darkshire and make a counter-gank group so you all get the honour for killing him.

I don't think you can use the excuse that this was part of his role-play just because he was on an RP server because this approach would surely cause you some kind of emotional harm if this was the breadth of your experience. I think it was borne out of boredom as most ganking is and the only way to deal with it is to out think your opponent. Ress at the very furthest point you can from your corpse, preferably in some trees (plenty in Duskwood) and take the most unusual route you can back to friendly forces. If this player has spent this long killing low level players then his tactical sense is most probably shot to pieces and he shouldn't be too hard to out think.

Good luck every low level player who experiences ganking but, as a previous poster mentioned, you ain't seen nothing until you get to Stranglethorn Vale!! :)

Happy Hunting!

[Raging]

If this player has spent this long killing low level players then his tactical sense is most probably shot to pieces and he shouldn't be too hard to out think.


Because there's one thing that's almost guaranteed, if he's getting all his target practice on lowbies it's because people who stand a chance beat him far too much for his own liking.




Those are fallacies. Being on a pvp server I do my fair share of even level killing and griefing lowbies. I set up days when I'm not raiding to hit the boats in Menethil harbor for hours not allowing anyone to step foot on them. Other days I'm out in Blackrock Mountain or playing BG's for Honor. I'll go around looking for level 60 groups to see how many I can take out before I die. Just because people like to grief doesn't make them unskillful. It's just a different style of PvP all together. If Michael Jordan spent some time playing Basketball against High schoolers when he was bored to humiliate them he's still Michael Jordan.

[JoeMuggs]

If Michael Jordan spent some time playing Basketball against High schoolers when he was bored to humiliate them he's still Michael Jordan.


No he is someone with Michael Jordan’s basketball skills that is a complete loser. Deriving entertainment and pleasure out of humiliating others is an antisocial behavior. Virtual all experts and most everyone else would agree that this generally stems from very low self-esteem, I’m not saying this is true of you but in general it is true. There is a reason Michael Jordan doesn't do this. Despite this person having the skill of Michael Jordan he never could have achieved what mj did b/c of his total lack of ability to function in a team environment. Your right a person who does this can have extreme skill and can kill ppl his own lvl also. This does however mean that person is a loser. Now I understand this is part of the territory on a pvp server, but part of the territory in life is that if you entertain yourself by humiliating others who you don't know from adam (or just the fact that your entertained by it at all) makes you a loser. Now maybe you’re messing around and you gank a little here and there for a few minutes no big deal, but doing it for hours or day after day means you’re a sucko.

[ohearntp]

Agreed: Doesn't it make you feel alot better though, when a rogue tries to gank you while stealth and you end up turning around and pwning them. It always calls for a good /laugh.

[ArcaneOne]

How do you deal with jerks?

Stop entertaining them.

Rez in town and leave the area.

I shouldnt have to leave! That guy is a Jerk!
I agree, but it will not change. Your only option is to get inventive. Get a mob together to take him down, log, leave the area, or reroll on pve.

That antisocial, no life, loser, GFless, skilless...
Speculative insults will not correct the problem. Might be false, but if it makes you feel better...

He's RPn, he's not RPn
Who cares. The problem persists and youre still taking a dirt nap.

But I like Raids, BGs and Duels...just hate the ganking and corpse camping.
/clap Bravo! Thats the difference between a PvP and a PvE server.

In conclusion. It sucks, but you always have a choice. You dont take it then its your fault and not the griefer's. Sucks, but thats the way it is. Deal.

[Unholy_VI]

I hate the argument 'go play on a PvE server'....

Yep. ranks right up there with 'its fine learn2play'. thats the thing that makes me laugh about the whole 'leet' crowd. They think they are so much smarter and better than everyone else. but then they post and think in these tired worn out phrases that were never funny or clever to begin with. they probobly have a bunch of bumper stickers and think those are really profound too.

The OP enjoys raids, fights and such, but ganking, camping, griefing, insulting, whatever is NOT part of PvP. And especially not on a RPPvP server. You'd think people would be more mature.

Not if you've played on PVP servers. all those things are not only part of PVP they define a PVP server. Anyone can get on a pve server and run around enemy terriroy challenging them to fair duels or whatever.

When you go to a pvp server you are going to the place that caters to the leetspeaking OMGhaxing lrn2ply hi2u2 immature social reject greifers. Either you are one of them, or you accept that you are going to be fighting in their world largely by their rules.

It is pretty easy to find these people on the normal PvP servers. They don't need a reason to kill, even if they are killing defenceless lowbies.

A few months back when RPPVP was brand new some people were talking about why they came to the server on Twisting Nether. someone said they were there to RP a PVPer. another guy answered with the quote of the month 'oh yeah? well I came here to PVP an RPer.' it's a great quote and its also really insightful. RPers are sort of oddball. They are also very touchy and easily thrown into a hissyfit. Just look at how much time in the chanels on RP and RPPVP servers is taken up by people getting mad at other people for not RPing, not RPing enough, not RPing right and on and on.

So for people who like to grief... RP-PVP means:

1) there are going to be a lot of RPers to pick on. Much more likely that the person you are camping or ganking is going to be REALLY mad about it.
2) a lot of them are by default going to be pretty novice at PVP.
3) You are going to be able to kill them. This isn't some PVE world where they see you and wave and keep going.

Wolves would rather fight sheep than other wolves any day.

That should NOT be the situation on a RP realm, be it PvP or not. You'd think that the old idea of Honor still applies to the Horde, right? Huh, guess what? It doesn't.

If this was a normal RP server, I'd suggest you adressed him with a Horde alt, and asked him his reasons to do what he does. If he has a good reason, then I'd acept it.

You being on a PvP server, however, presents problems. Your best bet is to travel in a larger group, perhaps get an escort (which shouldn't be too hard, since this is easily RP'd as you being afraid of a big bad Orc) or use the official boards to adress the hordies on your server, and have them deal with him.

or he could just write 'Gank me and camp me!' on his forhead and put a big target on his chest :laugh:

This behaviour is unacceptable on a RP server, in my opinion. And I know that you wil be able to find someone who thinkns the same, from either side.

Good luck, happy hunting.

[Wingwingwingdamage]

Actually, please re-read the fine print again. Blizzard does not punish players for repeated "ganking" or "corpse camping" Their official response is "We will not intervene when other viable PvP options exist for dealing with a given situation."

Basically, leave the area until the person has had their fill of killing or find a higher level player to camp them in return. It's not that difficult. And if you think it's bad at your level in the Duskwood area, just wiat until you begin questing in Stranglethorn Vale. The PvP situations there are much more difficult.

And because this guy repeatedly camps has nothing to do with his personal life. I'm happilly married, my wife plays wow and I'm quite happy and secure and every now and then I will find a lowbie area to camp for extended periods of time.

So in short... cmn!

[Hateblade]

The definition of "Jerk" varies from person to person. What one may see as "jerk" behavior, may be perfectly normal to another. That is why we all pay our 15$ a month to play. There is a great thread Here (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=362829) about reasons that people "gank/CC/ect". If you'd like to share your reasons, please go there.

If you would like to continue to post on this thread, that is fine, but please keep the conversations constructive.

[Mort]

"I hate the argument 'go play on a PvE server'.... "

Yep. ranks right up there with 'its fine learn2play'. thats the thing that makes me laugh about the whole 'leet' crowd. [....] they post and think in these tired worn out phrases that were never funny or clever to begin with.

^ What he said......... :)

A while back on my PvP server there was a post made by a horde player on the realm forum complaining about a high level alliance hunter who was running around in Stonetalon and killing every horde player he saw. According to the original poster he had been doing this for hours, and it was impossible to get any questing done. Like flies to a fresh pile of manure the post attracked the usual replies like "learn 2 play", "play on pve u n00b", "cry me a river", "o rly", "ya rly" and so on.

But it also attracted the attention of other people who had encounters with the hunter, and as the thread expanded, it had become clear that the hunter in question had been ganking in the area for almost a week, several hours a day. High level horde had tried to chase him away, some alliance had even tried to talk him out of it, but both to no avail. Bottum line was that short of having a lvl 60 escorting every low level horde questing in the area, noone could do anything about him. Im not going to call him a looser and accuse him of having no life/friends/girl friend, but I have to wonder why he was doing this.......

Mort

[Mincemaker]

^ What he said......... :)

A while back on my PvP server there was a post made by a horde player on the realm forum complaining about a high level alliance hunter who was running around in Stonetalon and killing every horde player he saw. According to the original poster he had been doing this for hours, and it was impossible to get any questing done. Like flies to a fresh pile of manure the post attracked the usual replies like "learn 2 play", "play on pve u n00b", "cry me a river", "o rly", "ya rly" and so on.

But it also attracted the attention of other people who had encounters with the hunter, and as the thread expanded, it had become clear that the hunter in question had been ganking in the area for almost a week, several hours a day. High level horde had tried to chase him away, some alliance had even tried to talk him out of it, but both to no avail. Bottum line was that short of having a lvl 60 escorting every low level horde questing in the area, noone could do anything about him. Im not going to call him a looser and accuse him of having no life/friends/girl friend, but I have to wonder why he was doing this.......

Mort
Answer: That's his idea of fun. We can't do anything to change that belief.

I play a PVP server and had my own share of ganking and being ganked. Usually, I deal with it and take revenge, or if he his beyond my abilities, call in reinforcements from Guild.

But if the place is filled with overly bored level 60s who take pleasure ganking level 20s e.g. Hillsbrad Foothills (I disapprove of this action, but who am I to judge them?), it be better to move to other grinding areas.

And most of my open PVP activities happen in Stranglethorn Vale, so I agree on it being a bloody battlefield.

And I gank only those who give honor, if there is an opportunity, and if the person is someone I can't defeat in a straight-on battle.

[Raistlin Majere]

Duskwood is a high-traffic area for Alliance level 60's going to ZG. Ask for help in the general chat. I personally will go out of my way to help a lowbie being camped, even invite them to a party so they will get the honor credit from me killing them.

[Cadineal]

Maybe he's role-playing a jerk?


Thats funny.

[Telriel]

I think that best way with gankers to raid them down.
Once in Badlands lvl 60 Tauren was killing lvl 40's. We made a raid and killed him over and over. He had an epic mount, so he was well equiped and he killed some of us during process, but he didn't stand a chance against raid. After that day, I have never seen him again.
Also, have few characters on few servers. So if one is in problems, I swich servers. It helps when some servers are down too. Chances are that you'll be able to play on one.

[Arunya]

First off, Don't criticize down to the point where you're verbally insulting his social life. Secondly, with that kind of attitude, might as well go back no the non-PvP servers. What's with these people in this game, everytime they get ganked one time or lose to a specific class during a duel, or miss the looting, or die because some skill had too long of a cooldown, always post in the forums hoping that it will make everything better. PVP IS DANGEROUS. DEAL.

lolol he just said in the post it happens for hours. he's not talking about one time. Now go back to rooftop camping the lvl 20s. You obviously took personal offense to what he said in the post.

Anyways to the OP, if he's only lvl 37 and there are a bunch of lvl 24s around, you guys should have no trouble teaming up and taking him down. Usually when these type of players start dieing the fun is over for them and they take off. It's typical for these types of players to be able to dish it out, but not take it.

That's why they're killing people 10 levels below them in the first place. They think there is no chance of losing, thereby somehow making it fun.

[Hateblade]

Had a perfect example of it yesterday. I came home for lunch, and jumped on WoW to check the AH. As I'm at the mailbox grabbing my $$$ for the day's sales, I hear the tell-tale Moonfire sound. I look around, and see a couple flagged Horde 60s. However, off to the side of the 60s is a dead 27 warrior. There is no Alliance in sight. So, being Horde, in Org, I check one of the well known spots. Sure enough, right above the auction hall is a shadowmelded 60 Night Elf druid. I proceed to hand him his butt, /salute, and jump back down to my AH business. His body quickly disappeared, as the player took res-sickness, and there were no more disturbances for the duration of my lunch-hour.

The point behind this is that myself and 3-4 other 60s were flagged in the area. I'm not sure about any other mixed levels being flagged, but it is the middle of the day in Org. The druid choose to 1-2 shot the level 27, instead of taking the chance at something more challenging. Once found out, he quickly crumbled. So, take the fight to them, and 9/10 times they will run scared. :thumbsup:

[blazze]

just for the recod i kill anyone whit my lev 60 whit uba gear if my alt gets ganked ,
if its red its dead and if i killa lev 30 or so its only cause hes cmaped my alt or ganking , so if i igonre the lev 60 its cause i want revenge on that particular horde and not pick fights :laugh:

on a side not i usally dont bother killing hordies who dont in any way deserve it

but then again sumetiems i se one who at one time killed me as lowbie and go for it :thumbsup:

[Skahr]

Umm...bah...uhhh...hmmmm....uhhh...what?
(The above post is a perfect example of how the English language gets OWNED)

[jrkernal]

Had a perfect example of it yesterday. I came home for lunch, and jumped on WoW to check the AH. As I'm at the mailbox grabbing my $$$ for the day's sales, I hear the tell-tale Moonfire sound. I look around, and see a couple flagged Horde 60s. However, off to the side of the 60s is a dead 27 warrior. There is no Alliance in sight. So, being Horde, in Org, I check one of the well known spots. Sure enough, right above the auction hall is a shadowmelded 60 Night Elf druid. I proceed to hand him his butt, /salute, and jump back down to my AH business. His body quickly disappeared, as the player took res-sickness, and there were no more disturbances for the duration of my lunch-hour.

The point behind this is that myself and 3-4 other 60s were flagged in the area. I'm not sure about any other mixed levels being flagged, but it is the middle of the day in Org. The druid choose to 1-2 shot the level 27, instead of taking the chance at something more challenging. Once found out, he quickly crumbled. So, take the fight to them, and 9/10 times they will run scared. :thumbsup:


Wait you mean a druid got into Org!

wow that's cool! I've never seen that :cry:

Funny that he died hard but still really cool :P

[blazze]

Umm...bah...uhhh...hmmmm....uhhh...what?
(The above post is a perfect example of how the English language gets OWNED)

sry does it hurt your eyes?? good!!!

enways dont really care how i type when i been up for 24 odd hours :blush:

[Hateblade]

Wait you mean a druid got into Org!

wow that's cool! I've never seen that

Funny that he died hard but still really cool

A feral druid with 5 points into Feral Instinct can easily sneak past the gaurds at the front entrance to Org. It's then just a matter of skirting the one elite gaurd that patrols around the Auction Hall, and then finding a way on top of one of the buildings. It's considered by some to be an exploit, as the gaurds will only attack you if you directly hit them. They may also attack if someone has a DoT on them, and runs near a gaurd, but I'm not too sure on that part. :ponder: Most people I know won't report that, as it's good fun to try and find the offender's hiding spot. :evil:

sry does it hurt your eyes?? good!!!

enways dont really care how i type when i been up for 24 odd hours

Your post is in very bad form. While not against the rules, it does make it hard to read. As we try to keep these forums looking somewhat civilized:laugh:, you will find some people don't take kindly to what they see as "bad english". It'd make your life here easier, if you attempted to spell things out a little better. Just food for thought. :thumbsup:

[jrkernal]

just for the recod i kill anyone whit my lev 60 whit uba gear if my alt gets ganked ,
if its red its dead and if i killa lev 30 or so its only cause hes cmaped my alt or ganking , so if i igonre the lev 60 its cause i want revenge on that particular horde and not pick fights :laugh:

on a side not i usally dont bother killing hordies who dont in any way deserve it

but then again sumetiems i se one who at one time killed me as lowbie and go for it :thumbsup:

I go back and edit my posts becasue i know i have terrible spelling.

But oh my. Seriously what you just did to the english language should be criminal.

Your english teacher must be so proud.

[blazze]

iam sure you would pwon me in rl and in the game , but dont you have anything better to do than to comment my grammar?

enways GL in RL , if you think thats criminal well then you be meeting a " few " of them in your life time

[Hateblade]

Well I was trying to keep it cool, and make a somewhat light comment, but now I can't. You two cool it. I like this thread, and I will be more than happy to remove you, before locking some good discussions.

[jrkernal]

I is cool.

:afro:

[builder]

To be honest if someone ganks low lvls i get a load of mates to kill him and camp him for ages.

A horde raid on redridge was delt with this way..we camped for 30 minutes until they gave *sigh* emotes letting us know that they had enough..then we did it some more... then we left them alone.

No i don't like camping either but there is nothing i hate more than 3 60's hitting an area where the higest toon is a 20 and killing everything in sight. Well done yes you are hard.

So i made sure they knew what it was like to be hit lots and lots. Some how they always leave.

[DarksideKarma]

Honestly, it's impossible to stop griefers. Kill parties get bored and eventually leave when they think the griefer is gone. He just comes back and hits the area again as soon as they leave. Or if their is a search party camping him, and he's a Rogue. He can just stealth to a different area on the map and grief questers there until the party comes and finds him only so he can move again. You really just have to deal with it, it's going to happen so find another questing spot or log off for a few.

[builder]

Honestly, it's impossible to stop griefers. Kill parties get bored and eventually leave when they think the griefer is gone. He just comes back and hits the area again as soon as they leave. Or if their is a search party camping him, and he's a Rogue. He can just stealth to a different area on the map and grief questers there until the party comes and finds him only so he can move again. You really just have to deal with it, it's going to happen so find another questing spot or log off for a few.

Oh i assure you i keep an eye on world defense and after 30-45 minutesof being camped they don't return...

[DarksideKarma]

World Defense doesn't tell you if lowbies are being ganked. :P

A typical day goes like this for me in Redridge. I stealth in and wreck havoc among the low levels for about 10-15 minutes. I'll single out a few people and keep there corpses around the same area so I can kill them as soon as they spawn. Sometimes i'll just cheapshot them with some low level daggers and let the mob kill them for durability loss. After a while a search party forms and if I get overrun by too many people I'll resurrect, stealth, and move to a different location in the zone. If theres only a few questing areas ill move a zone away and rinse and repeat. The murder squad moves to where I am, I go back to where I started.

Same goes with Menethil Harbor, I'll watch each dock and if too many come looking for me at one I go to the other. If that gets too bad, i'll get on and go to the other zones docks. What I like about that area is if you die on the boat and release you end up alive at the graveyard and it's a long walk back especially if you don't have a mount. That can sometimes be up to a 10 minute wait each death. Few minute walk back, few minutes to wait for the boat only to die right when it takes off.

[builder]

World Defense doesn't tell you if lowbies are being ganked. :P



But it does tell me when some where is under attack...which is a hint

[bud]

World Defense doesn't tell you if lowbies are being ganked. :P

A typical day goes like this for me in Redridge. I stealth in and wreck havoc among the low levels for about 10-15 minutes. I'll single out a few people and keep there corpses around the same area so I can kill them as soon as they spawn. Sometimes i'll just cheapshot them with some low level daggers and let the mob kill them for durability loss. After a while a search party forms and if I get overrun by too many people I'll resurrect, stealth, and move to a different location in the zone. If theres only a few questing areas ill move a zone away and rinse and repeat. The murder squad moves to where I am, I go back to where I started.

Same goes with Menethil Harbor, I'll watch each dock and if too many come looking for me at one I go to the other. If that gets too bad, i'll get on and go to the other zones docks. What I like about that area is if you die on the boat and release you end up alive at the graveyard and it's a long walk back especially if you don't have a mount. That can sometimes be up to a 10 minute wait each death. Few minute walk back, few minutes to wait for the boat only to die right when it takes off.

this... this post is leaving me totally speechless!..
i simply don't know how to react?!?
somebody please help me.. please say something.

really mate, what is your problem? why would you so much like to hurt other people?

Sometimes i'll just cheapshot them with some low level daggers and let the mob kill them for durability loss.
:ponder: :cry: :lipsrsealed:

[brandondash]

Cheers DarksideKarma!

[DarksideKarma]

this... this post is leaving me totally speechless!..
i simply don't know how to react?!?
somebody please help me.. please say something.

really mate, what is your problem? why would you so much like to hurt other people?


:ponder: :cry: :lipsrsealed:

I don't have a problem, it's just how I choose to gank the lowbies. World of Warcraft doesn't give out harsh penalties for death so you have to improvise. The Alliance is the opposite faction we're at war with, if I'm going to kill them I want to hit them where it hurts the most.

[bud]

but why do you want to hurt them so much in the first place??

[corylof]

Some of you are blowing this out of proportion.

Someone says they enjoy griefing, which is fine, because it's allowed. There is no punishment for ganking. There shouldn't be. You chose the PVP server. You KNEW what was lying ahead. If you didn't it was your own fault. Trying to make an analogy such as hacking ones computer is overboard. We all know that ganking someone and camping them is allowed. It's not punishable. Hacking is. They are two different things.

I have been playing on my server 30 mins after the game went retail. I have ganked, been ganked, and everything in between. I've been on pathetic raids in the first few weeks the game was out trying to attack Goldshire, been to Menethil in my 40s trying to take down guards, and killed NPCs before they were Dks because it all part of the game. I've killed lowbies in 1 hit, it's not because I'm a bully IRL, I just enjoy it. I know for a fact that half the people you can gank would probably attack you if they had the chance, good example:
I was in STV, farming fadeleaf on my rogue. I see a 40ish NE priest, I disregard her and keep going, I didn't feel like dismounting to fight her. She /bowed and all those other emotes letting me know that she was grateful I didn't send her on a 3 minute corpse run, so I didn't care. I get charged by a 60 human warrior, I am fighting him, and guess who pops out of nowhere to heal him, dot me, help him kill me, and then spam /spit %t until I release. Yeah. It's times like that when I don't feel like being nice to lowbies anymore. Now when I see someone trying to finish a quest mob, or running with low hp, sure, I'll grief them. Maybe get them to 3%, let a mob finish them for the 10% durability loss. I like inventing ways to kill people, even if they are on my own faction. Summoning people in the vile reef in the fatigue from Kalimdor can give hours of entertainment. I have a fraps video of me and a few guildies summoning some of the people we hate the most on our server, and drowning. Some innocent people were killed but oh well. We summoned level 7s into groups of level 35~ elite murlocs and watched them get 1 hitted repeatedly. They would rez, get 1 shotted again. Then spirit rez, and get aggro from a mob and die again. I wonder how they got back to their previous zone.
In short, griefing is part of this game. Whether it be ganking a lowbie, griefing your own faction, or griefing raids trying to take down outdoor raid encounters, griefing is just a part of the game most whiners will have to deal with.

[WingedNazgul]

but why do you want to hurt them so much in the first place??

Because he can?

I actually applaud the efforts of serious gankers as PVP servers wouldn't be the same experience without them. I was always a PVE-carebear at heart and always slacked whenever I came across the opposing faction. I'm always glad when someone else was willing to pick up my slack to ensure that quality PVP experience.

[brandondash]

because he can and because he should. in case people didn't notice, horde and alliance are at war. :[

[Unholy_VI]

And what it proves more than anything is this:

People have different standards of right and wrong. Ohhhhh stop the presses! These type of debates have gone on since time began, or at least since Diablo and Diablo II.

I'm a purist. I say what the rules of the game allow is fine and what the rules of the game don't allow is not fine. I'n Diablo II for instance I used to kill other players in hardcore games. What that means is this, in hardcore mode if you die, you're just dead. You don't res and run back to your corpse, you make a new character and start again.

But I was always careful not to cheat. In fact I never participated in the global economy becuase it was so overrun with duped godly items, runes, 'unique' items (what a laugh to call the stone of jordan unique when people would trade them by the hundreds). Was I usually at a disadvantage equipmentwise when I attacked some other player? Yes. If I lost did it hurt me considerably more in terms of replacing gear? For sure. My solution to this was:

1: Become as skilled as possible in the player vs player fighting.
2: Become very skilled at gathering up replacement gear
3: become knowledgable on how to make 'efficient' characters that had a chance to take down better geared characters with fairly easy to get tiems as opposed to putting all my eggs in one basket and losing that basket to a spot of lag, or a more skilled player.

Most people's solution to dealing with people like me was:

1: cheat. 3rd party programs were illegal and would 'get you banned' according to blizzard. What a laugh. Everyone had maphack, chickenlife (automatically logged you out if your hit points got low and yes, it was that easy not to die and yes people still died anyhow)
2: whine. Blizzard nerfed pvp (pkilling we called it) more times than I can remember but we always found new ways. Some people even came up with a way to use those cheating programs to turn the tables and kill people by doing things that normally wouldn't be possible for mere human reflexes.

Oh the crying and calling of names. I used to find it funny that cheaters were accusing me and other pvpers (most of them cheated though) of ruining the game for them by killing off their cheated characters losing forever their duped equipment.

Somewhere in those people's muddled sense of right and wrong CHEATING became the approved behavior while PVP ( fully allowed, intended and supported by the game) made a person into some sort of unspeakable monster.

Just makes me wonder if people yelling loudest against pvp griefing (on PVP by-god servers) aren't the same ones who justify buying gold or afk-bot in AV or any of the other things people do to cheat that they justify with arguments like 'well, I have a life, why should some loser in his mom's basement be able to own me just cause he doesn't have a job (*sob sob*)'.

And yeah. It is just a game after all. Just becuase some level 60 tauren stands on your level 20 nightelf's corpse scratching his behind for an hour doesn't mean he wouldn't help you out in real life if you needed it. If you can't seperate what you do in a game world with a whole differnt set of rules than real life (maybe if there were graveyards and you could just run to your body and res murder wouldn't be a big deal IRL) from yourself maybe it's time you did some soul searching instead of calling PVPers jerks or whatever else. Handle it in game, or just log out and call it a night.

There are times in a pvp server when whatever you planned to do just isn't gonna happen that night becuase of the other side. I speak from MUCH experience. and so what? WOW isn't life. it shouldn't be the only thing in your life. If getting camped in wow stops you from having an enjoyable evening doing any number of other things then whats that telling you? Sometimes you wan't to play tennis but its raining too hard. do you post about how unfair the weather is and sulk?

No. you just do something else cool.:idea:

[bud]

guys! please listen up!!

ganking has somehow lost its meaning, it came to mean simply kill in pvp. and that of course is not a big deal.

but griefing is, by definition, something bad. i dont know the words to put it because i am not a native speaker. i dont want to sound naive, but it is "evil".

the fact that it is not allowed does not change a damn thing.
the fact that this is all a game does not change a damn thing.
the fact that the person being griefed can do all sorts of other things does not change a damn thing.

the fact is that you are going out of your way to upset someone. and doing this to total strangers is just not right. it doesnt matter that the consequences for the griefed party is almost negligable, its the intent that counts. (and even more you guys are appearantly trying your best to make those consequences as high as possible).

i know these threads existed since ever. i also know that making analogies to real life situations just dont work. i know that those of opposing views will simply say that my analogy doesnt apply. but in my mind the following is a perfect analogy to griefing:

in school, we used play soccer with cheap plastic balls during breaks. and bullies from higher grades used to come and kick our ball out of the school yard.

sure, we could climb over the school's walls and get our ball back.
sure, we could get a new ball, and the price was cheap.
sure, we could do something else.

if you find the above scenario cool, then i am sorry to assume stuff about you, but in my book you are no more than mean bullies. i hope that someday you will grow out of it, and become a more considerate human being.
if you find the above scenario mean and childish, please know that griefing is quite the same.
if you find the above scenario mean and childish, and already didnt approve of griefing, please say so, because i am beginning to feel lonely in this thread.

[Malistic]

i don't believe that ganking someone for hours on end is acceptable... this is in my eyes... now on my pvp server i got a lvl 47 rouge... i use to love the fights between me and alliance.... i didn't care how many there were i just used to jump in and enjoy the fight... yeah everynow and again i would see a lost lowbie running near me and i would literally get off my mount go stealth and just watch them run around pooping there pants before i would play with them by sapping them and wat forth... it is a game and there are some things you enjoy more then others... now i know with all my ganking etc i wasn't doing it to be mean i was doing it for fun... come on what lvl 47 do u know that would stealth up on an afk human warrior and try beating them.... its a game enjoy it don't get in a hissy fit over one guy ganking you all the time... i played another game (myth of soma) from the day it started thats about 7 years absoloutly loved it... but on my main character i used to get ganked by all the high levels everyday... they would hunt me down for the fun of it, for no particular reason... this just improved my hunting tactics and my pvp tacitcs.... in the end not one person could kill me because of the way i ran from them... they could 2 hit me but i could out manouver them... its the way of human nature if somethings going wrong work your way around it evolve into a better being and don't just complain about it.... get ya own back :wink:

[Edinho]

Bud. The difference is this is a game and not real life.

When you go for pvp you have to accept that you are going to have to allow some time for these events. The biggest problem i find is that people get a mind set of having to do a particular run/quest. If some high level is ganking the area then simply move somewhere else. If your being cc then res at the grave yard or just log off for 30 mins and make some coffee/watch tv.

PvP is just that PvP the main focus is fighting the other players not role playing and questing. Until people realise this they will never get it and really shouldn't be playing pvp.

[Calli]

I find myself partially in agreement with Bud. Repeatedly ganking, killing and corpse-camping lowbies for no other reason than that you can and you find it funny, is essentially bullying. You're beating up/causing grief/whatever to someone who has no chance of defending themselves. Dress it up or try to justify it any way you like, it's still bullying regardless of your reasons or how you try to excuse it. But I must at least partially respect those who do it and don't try to excuse it.

Because here's the point where Bud and I disagree. I don't see that anyone who ganks on a pvp server needs to excuse their bullying. It's a PVP server, just about everything the bullies do is acceptable and permissable within the rules of pvp play. If it wasn't working as intended, Blizz would have either fixed it or made an announcement on the subject. Is it pleasant for the recipient? No, of course not. Is it a part of gameplay on the server they chose to play? You're damn right it is. Caveat Emptor applies.

[bud]

is it allowed on the servers? yes.
whose decsision is it? blizzard's.
would i have done otherwise, if i were blizzard? probably, but then again it might be different from a business perspective..

does it matter that it is a virtual game? no. it is still bullying.
am i unable to deal with it? no, i have alts and other things to do.
does this change the fact that the griefer is a griefer? ofc not.

my point is not about whether it is permissable on the PVP servers to grief and camp people. i am not argueing whether or how the griefed person can avoid being griefed, either.

it is just that, from my point of view, griefing is entirely equal to bullying, and it is an inconsiderate, mean (even slightly sadistic?) and childish act. and thus i find it completely apalling how easily people confess to it.

[WingedNazgul]

You know how someone amasses massive in-game wealth and has full tier 2 epics, and is PVP rank 14? Then you compare that to the real-life accomplishments of someone like, say, Bill Gates or Michael Jordan.

That's the difference between in-game bullies and real-life bullies.

[moopy]

You know how someone amasses massive in-game wealth and has full tier 2 epics, and is PVP rank 14? Then you compare that to the real-life accomplishments of someone like, say, Bill Gates or Michael Jordan.

That's the difference between in-game bullies and real-life bullies.

This is a confusing metaphor to say the least. I know Mr Gates is a liar, a cheat, a bully and flouts the Sherman anti-trust act on a daily basis. I also know that his personal conduct is nowhere nearly as objectionable as that of Steve Jobs.

However, I fail to see how this is even slightly relevant, even metaphorically, so the discussion at hand. Colour me stupid :)

[Calli]

Well yeah, but the consequences for the recipient aren't what Bud's talking about, if I understand him correctly, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The Bully's intent is to cause as much grief and frustration as possible to the gankee. He's questioning why someone would even want to do that. I don't personally have a problem with that when it occurs in-game, because those are the consequences of playing on a pvp server. You have options to deal with it that you don't generally have in real life. But that's not his point (I think). His point, it seems to me, is why somone would want to, and go out of their way to, cause suffering, real or imagined, to someone they'd never met and who had done nothing to offend them. Whether actual suffering is caused is irrelevant, the important thing is that the gankee's intent is to cause it.

Personally, I don't believe that this mindset is as prevalent as it may first appear to be. You're playing a computer game, not actually physically harming anyone. Most gankers are doing it because ganking is fun, you don't need to look any deeper than that because most gankers don't look any deeper than that. "It's fun for me, so that's why I do it." Anyone who's caused real and permanent mental distress by being ganked in WoW has issues that aren't going to be resolved by not playing on a pvp server.

Nevertheless, there ARE a small minority of people out there who gank not because it's fun, but because they are actively and willingly trying to make the game as unpleasant as possible for as many people as they can. You find arseholes in any walk of life, WoW isn't special.

[WingedNazgul]

Okay, maybe Bill Gates wasn't the best choice given that he can bring up those feelings in people. I was speaking of course about his real-life wealth which no matter how you personally feel about the man, the fact is he is one of the richest men in the world.

My failing is that I don't know any other rich tycoons that don't elicit such negative feelings. Donald Trump, no....umm...okay...insert name of spectacularly wealthy person who is also a saint in real life.

[Calli]

Ritchie Rich? Erm... I'll get my coat...

[Metatron]

Robbie Williams is a very rich and generous man. Or why not Oprah?

[brandondash]

Valas - if you are paying attention could you please post the blizzard writeup on griefing? I forget exactly what their cutoff is for acceptible behavior.

[moopy]

Robbie Williams is a very rich and generous man. Or why not Oprah?

I think you'll find that she just looks rather mannish.

[mesonm]

it is just that, from my point of view, griefing is entirely equal to bullying, and it is an inconsiderate, mean (even slightly sadistic?) and childish act. and thus i find it completely apalling how easily people confess to it.


I find it rather surprising that folks who knowingly roll pvp are shocked that it happens...to them...

Big deal...

Play the game...If you don't want to kill lowbies, then don't...

With so much to do in the game, I find I typically don't have time to even consider it. But, on occasion, when bored and moving from one place to another, I've run across a lowbie or two out questing and have challenged them to a fight...Sometimes I win, and sometimes I lose...

What is hilarious is to go to an alliance starting area and don't hit anyone...let them beat on you awhile.....LOL

[bud]

Well yeah, but the consequences for the recipient aren't what Bud's talking about, if I understand him correctly, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The Bully's intent is to cause as much grief and frustration as possible to the gankee. He's questioning why someone would even want to do that. I don't personally have a problem with that when it occurs in-game, because those are the consequences of playing on a pvp server. You have options to deal with it that you don't generally have in real life. But that's not his point (I think). His point, it seems to me, is why somone would want to, and go out of their way to, cause suffering, real or imagined, to someone they'd never met and who had done nothing to offend them. Whether actual suffering is caused is irrelevant, the important thing is that the gankee's intent is to cause it.

Personally, I don't believe that this mindset is as prevalent as it may first appear to be. You're playing a computer game, not actually physically harming anyone. Most gankers are doing it because ganking is fun, you don't need to look any deeper than that because most gankers don't look any deeper than that. "It's fun for me, so that's why I do it." Anyone who's caused real and permanent mental distress by being ganked in WoW has issues that aren't going to be resolved by not playing on a pvp server.

Nevertheless, there ARE a small minority of people out there who gank not because it's fun, but because they are actively and willingly trying to make the game as unpleasant as possible for as many people as they can. You find arseholes in any walk of life, WoW isn't special.

calli thanks a lot for understanding me :)

and also possibly explaining my point better than myself.
that's all i had to say:
griefing = being an .sshole. try to refrain from it. we know that everyone acts like a jerk once in a while (yea, myself included), that's allright.

just, please, dont make it a business for yourself.

cheers..
ps: i am now leaving this thread :)

[nikanyfink]

whining about getting owned again and again is no solution. Like a previous post said, if you get wacked in contested territory by a higher lvl player, get on Gen chat or local defense and ask for help. That is the idea of PvP. IMHO it is perfectly acceptable behaviour to attack any enemy you see. If they are too low a level to get hp no matter. They are obviously somewhere they should not be if you can see them. Don't get me wrong, I hate getting ganked, but it is kind of a fundamental mechanic of pvp. If you don't like it, go on the fluffy pve servers. Getting ganked is a prime contributer to the adrenalin rush that makes PvP a much more exiting game than pve.

[SURFEROSA]

Dont see the problem with it myself. A MMORPG is a reflection of society; so you get kind people (someone ran upto an alt of mine and randomly gave me 10g..), selfish people, funny people, immature people (at least once in every 2/3 pugs I get someone who spends the entire run flaming other people), helpful people, unhelpful people. And you get gankers.

Pesonally, some of my favourite wow experiences have involved ganking or being ganked (spent one afternoon trading ganks with a horde hunting lions in arathi highlands.. score ended 5-6 or something). When ganking turns to bullying, its not so nice; but I'm not going to cry about it. I simply try and minimise the enoyment the bully gets.. if I know Im gonna be ganked, I wont fight back, I wont run.. I'll just take it, res and either continue on my way or find somewhere else to go for a while. A favourite strategy is to /dance when Im getting ganked; shows you really dont give a toss (if even you do).

I cant say I'd camp gank in this way myself (Im in the 'kill them once & move on' school of ganking) and I wouldnt be impressed to hear of a guild member doing it it either. But it doesnt bother me that others, who I do not assocaite with, do. Thats society. I pity them.

But, for some, I can appreciate that being bullied in this way is just too unpleasant / annoying. And for those people, who really find the enjoyment of the game being spoilt by this, Blizzard came up with PvE servers.

[DarksideKarma]

Theres so many analogies about real life verse a video game. You guys are getting the wrong point. In a game made for two opposing factions to be at war, you're going to kill them. Some people are going to be ruthless about it, others aren't.

Look, Blizzard created PvP servers with cross faction war in mind. It's part of the story and why it's implemented in the game. By joining a PvP server you're partaking in the everlasting struggle between the Horde and Alliance. You're at war, and your enemy is going to do whatever he/she can to stop you.

Your anaolgy between playing soccer or kickball with the bullies is apples and oranges to this game. In your Soccer game, playing Soccer is your only objective. So when a bully comes up and kicks your ball over the fence it becomes rude and mean. In WoW, killing the opposite faction IS one of the objectives. How can you be upset about something thats whats intended of the game. A boxer doesn't start claiming unfairness when he gets punched in the face too many times does he? In Boxing being punched is the objective, if he's punched too many times he shouldn't have signed up to box. Just like if you get killed too many times you shouldn't have signed up for PvP. Killing/Griefing is part of the game just like getting punched is part of Boxing. If Blizzard didn't intend it they would have made it against the rules, like rabbit punches and headbutts.

[SURFEROSA]

Your anaolgy between playing soccer or kickball with the bullies is apples and oranges to this game. In your Soccer game, playing Soccer is your only objective.
1. Its not soccer, its football. You are the only country in the world that calls it soccer.
2. Its not soccer, its football. You are the only country in the world that calls it soccer.
3. Your form of 'football' in the main consists of people 'throwing', 'catching' and 'passing' the ball. Someone was being ironic when they called it 'football'; but as a nation you dont understand irony, so the name stuck.
4. WTF is kickball?
5. Who mentioned football anyway?

[Hateblade]

1. Its not soccer, its football. You are the only country in the world that calls it soccer.
2. Its not soccer, its football. You are the only country in the world that calls it soccer.
3. Your form of 'football' in the main consists of people 'throwing', 'catching' and 'passing' the ball. Someone was being ironic when they called it 'football'; but as a nation you dont understand irony, so the name stuck.
4. WTF is kickball?
5. Who mentioned football anyway?

This post is totally irrelevant. So far, YOU are the only person to have mentioned "football" in this entire thread. The soccer reference was used as a metaphor, in regards to a school-time activity, and nothing else. If you are going to spark up a conversation about "Soccer/Football", please go to the Off-topic forums.

[Ezzaral]

How can you be upset about something thats whats intended of the game. A boxer doesn't start claiming unfairness when he gets punched in the face too many times does he? In Boxing being punched is the objective, if he's punched too many times he shouldn't have signed up to box. Just like if you get killed too many times you shouldn't have signed up for PvP. Killing/Griefing is part of the game just like getting punched is part of Boxing. If Blizzard didn't intend it they would have made it against the rules, like rabbit punches and headbutts.
Well, boxing may not be the best analogy. Boxing does have many rules to promote even sporting competition such as weight classes and matching based upon fight history. They don't throw the 14 year olds into the ring with the heavyweight professional fighters. Also, as for griefing, they don't allow a fighter who has won on a knockout to wait for the loser to get up and then let him KO him again and again and again.

Killing a gray lowbie you run across in your own or contested territory I could see fitting in with a territorial war viewpoint. Corpse camping them to the point that they cannot even leave your territory, no. At that point you are just intentionally being an ass.
('you' used in the general sense, not in reference to the quoted poster, as I don't know his pvp habits)

[SURFEROSA]

This post is totally irrelevant. So far, YOU are the only person to have mentioned "football" in this entire thread. The soccer reference was used as a metaphor, in regards to a school-time activity, and nothing else. If you are going to spark up a conversation about "Soccer/Football", please go to the Off-topic forums.
I dont think I mentioned soccer / football or kickball once, before the post that was quoted. If you read the thread, I believe you'll find DarksideKarma referred to 'Your Analogy', and is the 1st person to mention football. I was merely pointing out its irrelevence.

Thanks for your input though. GJ.

[DarksideKarma]

I dont think I mentioned soccer / football or kickball once, before the post that was quoted. If you read the thread, I believe you'll find DarksideKarma referred to 'Your Analogy', and is the 1st person to mention football. I was merely pointing out its irrelevence.

Thanks for your input though. GJ.

If you actually bothered to read the entire thread you'd notice that Bud brought up an analogy about soccer. Instead you stuck your head up your ass at around the 3rd page and decided to pull it back out again here on page 9.

[DarksideKarma]

Well, boxing may not be the best analogy. Boxing does have many rules to promote even sporting competition such as weight classes and matching based upon fight history. They don't throw the 14 year olds into the ring with the heavyweight professional fighters. Also, as for griefing, they don't allow a fighter who has won on a knockout to wait for the loser to get up and then let him KO him again and again and again.

Killing a gray lowbie you run across in your own or contested territory I could see fitting in with a territorial war viewpoint. Corpse camping them to the point that they cannot even leave your territory, no. At that point you are just intentionally being an ass.
('you' used in the general sense, not in reference to the quoted poster, as I don't know his pvp habits)

You can't really make a perfect analogy for the situation but I believe it's the closest you can get. The point is, rules were explained before hand, its a game about war and you'll be killed. If that other boxer decides to keep getting up though the ref usually lets it go on.

[SURFEROSA]

If you actually bothered to read the entire thread you'd notice that Bud brought up an analogy about soccer. Instead you stuck your head up your ass at around the 3rd page and decided to pull it back out again here on page 9.

In school, we used play soccer with cheap plastic balls during breaks. and bullies from higher grades used to come and kick our ball out of the school yard.

Couple of things. Firstly, apologies for not picking up on Bud's analogy. I had missed it, and Bud definitely mentions soccer 1st. So, my sneering at your attempts to explain kickball were out of order.

In addition, and having reread the thread to see why I missed it, I dont believe his anology was about soccer. I believe it was about RL bullies. I believe the anology he was trying to demonstrate is when someone more powerful than oneself prevents you from doing what you are doing for no any other purpose than self-gratification. This is bullying. Your description of your game style accurately fits the profile of a RL bully;

I stealth in and wreck havoc among the low levels for about 10-15 minutes. I'll single out a few people and keep there corpses around the same area so I can kill them as soon as they spawn.

It is interesting to note that not once to do you state you gain enjoyment from taking on those higher or equivilent levels to yourself. Your oppenents must be weaker than yourself, ergo you are a bully.

Secondly, if you reread the thread, you have flamed one of the few people who has attempted to defend the freedom of a self-confessed bully like your self to do exactly that. I stand by that. If killing lowbies is how you get your kicks, then gouge away. Stay all day. If you want to. It makes the game more fun for me knowing that people like you are out there.

However, lets not make this personal. Let just say you have your way of getting enjoyment from the game. I have mine.

Kickball is irrelevant.

[Hateblade]

In addition, and having reread the thread to see why I missed it, I dont believe his anology was about soccer. I believe it was about RL bullies.

As long as we are clear about not arguing over soccer vs football:grin:.

His use of the Soccer game on a playground was to facilitate the analogy of RL bullies. BUT, you are missing the point that this is a GAME. People's RL attitudes/personalities/habits ect may have a bearing on thier gameplay, but that is irrelevant. There is NOTHING that you can do to change how someone plays. There is nothing that Blizzard can do to stop how someone plays. They have laid down the rules/regulations that they see as the most fair for all parties, and that is how it's pretty much going to stay. Discussions like this are awesome to get people's opinions, but it's not worth it to digress into fighting over whether or not you should gank that lowbie.

Remember that no matter what you feel, you are still the one that signs on to WoW. You are still the one that pays 15$. "Ganking" has been happening since the first MMOs. It's not going to change. Therefore, it's your decision to play, and you accept that every time you log on.

[DarksideKarma]

Bud was trying to compare how grifers are a bully in Wow like how that guy that kicked away there ball in soccer. When you sign up to play soccer, you're not signing up for some random person to interfere in your game and potentially kick a ball over a fence. When you sign up for WoW on a PvP server, you're signing up to be killed by other players. Hence the reason why I brought up the comparison to Boxing. I understand that it's not a completely accurate analogy, but there really isn't one for this game.

It's not bullying when the game was created with Player vs Player in mind. This isn't the first game where corpse camping and griefing started. Blizzard was fully aware when they implemented this system. Due to this decision, Blizzard is thereby promoting cross faction killing as this is a game where two sides are at war and inevitably there will be death. The degree of death is limited to both sides which is the way Blizzard balanced out griefing. If you don't want to be griefed you don't have to, even if you're 30 levels below the person.

I haven't talked about even level players because that's not what this thread is about. It's about dealing with jerks and griefers. If you'd like to know, I do perfectly fine against people my level even against Tier 2 opponents. There are only a handful of people that I lose to consistently on my server and I win more then I die. I have no problems facing multiple 60's at the same time, two to three at a time, but again this isn't what this discussion is about so its a moot point.

I'm not here to flame, I'm here for a discussion. Which everyone was having before you decided to throw out that football/soccer bit. I understand you're from Europe and say things differently, but I don't mock you for calling potato chips crispers.

[SURFEROSA]

As long as we are clear about not arguing over soccer vs football:grin:.

Ive just checked: your from Utah.. so your obviously impartial on the subject :rolleyes: Football.. go figure :ponder:

Remember that no matter what you feel, you are still the one that signs on to WoW. You are still the one that pays 15$. "Ganking" has been happening since the first MMOs. It's not going to change. Therefore, it's your decision to play, and you accept that every time you log on.

I dont believe that I have done anything other than defend DarksideKarma's right to be a bully. He pays the same money I do; if he wants to spend his time picking on people that can not effectively fight back, I dont care. I'll just avoid people like him (both in my faction and against it).

I think bud (and before him Lewisham) originally had an issue with it. My view was and still is;

But, for some, I can appreciate that being bullied in this way is just too unpleasant / annoying. And for those people, who really find the enjoyment of the game being spoilt by this, Blizzard came up with PvE servers.

I love this game, and the adrenelin surge you get when you grinding away and all of a sudden you catch site of the oppsoing faction.. well, its one of the things that make the game for me. The initial feeling of panic; and then the thought process you go through as to whether stay & fight / run / call for help.. well, its one of the reaons I'm still playing.

But, if you don't like it / can't find ways of dealing with it; don't play PvP. Easy :afro:

[Hateblade]

Ive just checked: your from Utah.. so your obviously impartial on the subject Football.. go figure

Hahahahaha. I'm just stationed on the AFB they have here. Native of Colorado. As far as Soccer/football goes, I'm impartial due to liking them both.

All of my statements in this thread are as impartial as possible. I'm pretty sure I'm just pointing out the obvious stuff:ponder:. However, I will not intentionally single someone out, unless they do something Fluffy or I don't like. :afro:

Being impartial is one of the "Green Crew" sufferings. Lord knows there have been times....:laugh:

[bud]

I think bud (and before him Lewisham) originally had an issue with it.

hi! i wanted to post again, after seeing people discuss this subject in a more serious way. actually, i am more used to seeing ppl brag about their pvp skillz and how i should play on a pve server.

and moreover everyone seems to get my simple analogy!! (i am more used to encountering ppl that wish to subvert my analogy even if they understand it).

even though griefing is allowed by blizzard's rules, and that playing on a pvp server may be likened to getting in a creepy boxing ring without weight classes and where the referee will have nothing against a boxer that will ko his opponent again and again, i believe that my analogy still holds.
it holds not by likening wow's pvp servers to my high school's soccer field, but by likening the griefers to the bullies. and appearantly no one seems to have a thing about that! :)

well, i would also like to say that, yes, i have something about blizzard not taking action against griefers in wow. but then again i can, kinda, understand it from a business point of view (too many whiners and too many griefers!).

and also, unfortunately, yes, i have something against (self-confessed or not) bullies. but, dont worry, i do know that i can avoid them. and i do know that in a more general sense, they are unavoidable. :)

what i have against bullies/griefers is: please grow up, mature up and become a more considerate person. instead of "killing a player's low level character just because you _can_", please consider "_not_ killing a player's low level character because you know that it will annoy some stranger on the other end of the line.

finally, after all my whining (!) about griefers, my own ganking habits are: if its red and not gray (and if i believe i can take it), i attack it.
i strictly never camp.
if the ally is a very low green, i give him/her a chance to flee (while i /shoo him/her) or type an emote that will soothe my orc's bloodlust (unless it is a gnome!).

[SURFEROSA]

even though griefing is allowed by blizzard's rules, and that playing on a pvp server may be likened to getting in a creepy boxing ring without weight classes and where the referee will have nothing against a boxer that will ko his opponent again and again, i believe that my analogy still holds.
it holds not by likening wow's pvp servers to my high school's soccer field, but by likening the griefers to the bullies. and appearantly no one seems to have a thing about that! :)

But I still think your missing the point. PvP means they are allowed to gank. They are playing within the rules, so complaining about it happening is completely pointless. And thats why people say your whining.

I dont like BG much. I'll do it for reputation, but I cant be bothered with it really... same as I cant see the kick in corpse-camping someone all day long. Its fairly anti-social behaviour, and, well, not very sporting. But they are both equal aspects of the game.

So I defend the right for someone to do it; and indeed, when its happened to me, I look upon avioding it happening as part of the challenge... part of the game. Like I said, one of the better parts of the game is when you catch site of the other faction.

And your analogy with any type of bullying fails because a bully needs a victim. If you have a choice over where to play (ie PvP & PvE); then you are choosing whether you want to take the risk of being a victim. You dont get that option in RL. And RL bullying is far worse than a repair bill and run to corpse...

[WarlokJoel]

I still dont get the whole purpose of 1...even 2 level 60's ganking a lvl say 30 or so...even on a PVP server that is a little harsh....with the new 1.10 patch ..maybe the 60's will have more reason to to quests...

oh..and 90% of the time that i get ganked (i play Horde) i am attacking a mob/monster... if you have to gank me...at least have the balls to do it when im full health and not 30 lvls below you...

[Dolgr]

You guys ever hear of the game, "who can get the highest crit?" It's the latest craze in STV.

come here lvl 30. I have some candy for you. "WTF PWN!"

I win, pay up

[Unholy_VI]

hi! i wanted to post again

Apparently. So did I. Here goes:

Enough is enough.

This debate will never convince anyone of anything. Your side will continue to see people like me as some sort of deranged anti-social bullies destined to comit horrible acts of murder IRL. My side will continue to see people like you as whiney, self-centered, illiterate (can't grasp the concept of a pvp realm), immature freaks who take this game way too seriously and make ridiculous generalilzations about a person's RL personality over getting their toon killed on a video game.

Neither side is totally right and in fact both are far wrong although both sides defintely can make strong arguments for their point of view.

Only really it's not worth the time to do so. One of my best friends that I get along great with refuses to play with me on my pvp realm for most of the reasons you have been whine..er stating. He's one of the best guys I know we just disagree on this issue.

Seriously though. look at the sheer number of posts in this thread. Is anyone REALLY going to add something new and compelling to either side? I haven't seen it in the last 5 pages or so. And I'd be willing to bet not one person has changed their in-game behavior or opinion of the other side as a result of all of this virtual hot air.

So have fun with the thread. I'm done with it. If it hits 100 pages I might look again to see what new startling points of view have emerged (sarcasm off)

[bud]

Apparently. So did I.


heh. dont worry i know! :)

i _did_ use to get much more excited about these types of threads. now its merely a feeling of i just have to say what i have to say about it.

i know that the thread wont change a thing.
i know that this is merely a game.
and dont worry i dont expect wow griefers to become serial killers in rl. its just that, as much as i am more of a whiney person both in game, in forum and in rl, i suppose griefers are less considerate ppl both in rl and game. unless of course, some of them are such saints in rl that they satisfy some of their more base urges in the game :p

its just that i kinda like these sorts of discussions, unless they are on the official forums :)

cheers mate.
enjoy the game however you like. anyone who cant avoid a griefer, or gets too worked up is a fool trapped in the griefer's game. but know that it is a good thing to be a more considerate person both in a game and in rl.

[seanchambers]

Can I just say I really enjoyed this Thread, I can say I had tears in my eyes laughing at some of you guys, there are some classic reply’s that should be stickied and made into t-shirt slogans.
My mates all played WoW from the Beginning and Unfortunately suffer from the 30 something sickness called apathy, and just could not play on a PvP server, I think the record was 6 months, and although I enjoy PvP and spend many many Hours every week in WSG, I just know I could not have handled all the Ganking and griefing that goes on, and if I was my sons age I am sure I could have persevered as he has and he enjoys it.
I play on a PvE server because I understand that I want a nice relaxed gaming experiance and want to fight PvP on my own terms, and I agree that PvP server should be played the way they are, if you choose to play on a server that allows things to happen then people will use and exploit every thing they have to make there gaming experiance enjoyable for themselves and whether they are 15 or 50, they will find a way to make that happen, as people between those age ranges have there own Ideas as to what constitues Honour and what is fair and fun, and my analagy for people conplaining about being killed on a PvP server is, if you want to run with wolves you cannot piss like a puppy

[SURFEROSA]

if you want to run with wolves you cannot piss like a puppy
Dont know what it means, but I want ^^ on a T shirt :laughing:

[Oatmealsmurf]

Overall I would have to agree with Sean... I still don't relate to the mentality it takes to grief someone by camping their corpse repeatedly on general principle, like that's the thing to do. I MIGHT do it once or twice to prove a point when someone has acted in what I would characterize a dishonorable fashion....

For example on my PVE server 5 lvl 40s and a lvl 60 decided it'd be fun to go to Deathknell and kill all the quest givers (along with any lowbies who elected to try and stop them). So at that point a handful of us higher lvls who were in UC grouped up and destroyed them... then we let the lvl 40's go and corpse camped the lvl 60 into oblivion just to emphasize our point to who we determined to be the most cowardly.

But overall it is war... if you were fighting IRL would you let an enemy foot soldier run through contested territory just because you were leading an armored division? Of course not... When I'm on my PVP server or if I elect to flag myself on my PVE server I expect to be attacked at any time by any enemy who feels they can take me out. And like in every other facet of life there are going to be certain people who are more "honorable" than others. You can't expect other people to operate by your standards... least of all your "enemies". That's the nature of PVP... and with that you're going to find people who will use that opportuinty to alleviate their residual angst from being picked last in kickball or are just mean spirited and find such activities fun.

Can't see how if you're on a PVP server you have any room to complain about being ganked.

[MorcOrc]

I think that the biggest lesson that I learned from this entire thread was that anyone can justify their actions, and will do so in such a manner as to make their actions correct.. if only from their perspective.

The next lesson I learned was that other people will view such actions, and justify their own response to said actions and person commiting the actions... again from their perspective...

And the third lesson I learned was that the first and second seldom are in agreement.

Its PvP...
I have been ganked, I have ganked. I have been corpse-camped, I have corpse-camped. I have protected the lowbies and I have hunted the lowbies.
Its PvP...
I have been the hero, the villan, the saint, the sinner...
Its PvP...

[Hateblade]

Its PvP...
I have been ganked, I have ganked. I have been corpse-camped, I have corpse-camped. I have protected the lowbies and I have hunted the lowbies.
Its PvP...
I have been the hero, the villan, the saint, the sinner...
Its PvP...

Words that will last through the ages. Well said. :thumbsup:

[RWGreen]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Well, I signed up for PvP, so I can't quite live up to that mantra.

But here is perhaps a more realistic one: Bring the fight unto others in the same manner that you would have them bring the fight unto you.

PvP has the ability to bring out the nastiest side of anyone's personality. How you react to being ganked can tell you a lot about yourself...

[degnar]

Sportsmanship.

That is what it is really all about. And very few people even mention it, even with all of the soccer and boxing analogies.

It is not war. It is a game about war. It is a game. Period.

And one of the first things you learn about games (I hope!) is sportsmanship. How to win graciously, how to lose acceptingly. Or has everyone forgotten that?

Can you gank/grief? Yes. No question. Should you gank/grief? ...

Can you whine/complain? Yes. No question. Should you whine/complain? ...

Answer: Is it sporting? (IMHO, no).

In every game, there is a line that you just do not cross. Once you do, you are no longer playing the game (even if it is technically "within the rules"). If you are playing <insert sport here> and are beating the other team by <large number> points, do you try to score 1 more? No. You just don't do it.

The problem with this game (PvP WoW) is where that line is. People do have different opionions, which is fine although I may disagree. I have no problem with people killing lowbies, and even raiding an area to mess with the other side a bit. That is part of the game. The PvP game involves killing the other faction. But the line is crossed when someone does that every day for hours on end. There is no challenge in 1-shotting someone 30 levels below you. And doing it repeatedly is just incredibly poor sportsmanship.

But whining about getting ganked is also very poor sportsmanship. The bottom line for the gankee is that you need to do something else: move on, take a break, call in help, participate in threads like this to educate others, make suggestions to Blizzard (no whining!), etc. Yes it sucks that someone ruins "your" game, but life isn't fair, and you have to be able to handle it maturely.

[mesonm]

But the line is crossed when someone does that every day for hours on end.

Agreed...do it only on weekends...

[bud]

Sportsmanship.

That is what it is really all about. And very few people even mention it, even with all of the soccer and boxing analogies.

It is not war. It is a game about war. It is a game. Period.

And one of the first things you learn about games (I hope!) is sportsmanship. How to win graciously, how to lose acceptingly. Or has everyone forgotten that?

Can you gank/grief? Yes. No question. Should you gank/grief? ...

Can you whine/complain? Yes. No question. Should you whine/complain? ...

Answer: Is it sporting? (IMHO, no).

In every game, there is a line that you just do not cross. Once you do, you are no longer playing the game (even if it is technically "within the rules"). If you are playing <insert sport here> and are beating the other team by <large number> points, do you try to score 1 more? No. You just don't do it.

The problem with this game (PvP WoW) is where that line is. People do have different opionions, which is fine although I may disagree. I have no problem with people killing lowbies, and even raiding an area to mess with the other side a bit. That is part of the game. The PvP game involves killing the other faction. But the line is crossed when someone does that every day for hours on end. There is no challenge in 1-shotting someone 30 levels below you. And doing it repeatedly is just incredibly poor sportsmanship.

But whining about getting ganked is also very poor sportsmanship. The bottom line for the gankee is that you need to do something else: move on, take a break, call in help, participate in threads like this to educate others, make suggestions to Blizzard (no whining!), etc. Yes it sucks that someone ruins "your" game, but life isn't fair, and you have to be able to handle it maturely.

cheers mate!! /signed :)
i will remember this post, and the next time i see people bragging about their griefing, i will try mentionining 'sportsmanship' instead of 'bullying'. i believe that chances are it will recieve better responses.

[Afballz]

I recently grouped up with some of my guildies and had some fun ambushing Allies in Felwood.

Our group looked like this:
52 warlock (me)
49 mage
48 rogue

And we were well co-ordinated (vent), had played with each other a lot and set up some killer ambushes and traps. At final count we had a tally of 23 lvl 50-60 kills (most 55+), some in bits of Nemesis, Dragonstalkers, Might etc (not many but still) that we had lured into traps, ambushed etc. The only camping that went on was when they ressed and attacked us immediately and we killed them and they did it again.

Anyway our fun ended when 8 of the ppl we had ganked got together and wiped the floor with us.
We had a blast and I can bet that they felt much better after they had done that.

My point is were any of us in the wrong? Were any of them?
Awsome feeling taking down 2 epiced lvl 60s with good teamwork, surprise tactics and a bit of luck. I'd bet that they weren't happy though.

[degnar]

And we were well co-ordinated (vent), had played with each other a lot and set up some killer ambushes and traps. At final count we had a tally of 23 lvl 50-60 kills (most 55+), some in bits of Nemesis, Dragonstalkers, Might etc (not many but still) that we had lured into traps, ambushed etc. The only camping that went on was when they ressed and attacked us immediately and we killed them and they did it again.

Anyway our fun ended when 8 of the ppl we had ganked got together and wiped the floor with us.
We had a blast and I can bet that they felt much better after they had done that.


To me this is *exactly* how PvP should be played. You were in a contested zone, with others around your level... game on. :thumbsup: It obviously took skill, you were not griefing anyone by camping them, and it sounds like a good finish... game over.

/salute

[Afballz]

Some of the best fun I've had in wow so far.
You can say that again.

[Ahaz]

I half wish Blizzard would implement some feature that allows you to track down players of the opposite faction, for the explicit purpose of revenge kills. Honestly, the idea of ganking the gankers is the only thing keeping me on a PVP server at all.

It all comes down to this: why put up with constant ganking if you can't track them down and get 'em back? Going to their starter towns and killing lowbies isn't turnabout, it's just passing the buck. It's the lvl 70 Dwarf I wanna kill, not the lvl 8 Night Elf. Why play on a PVP server if you're just gonna get ganked with no opportunity for revenge?

[TehDarkrunner]

I often deal with mentally challenged alliance ganking my 32 Blood Elf hunter. I am kind of a live and let live kind of guy, but as of late, alliance have been 2 vs 1 ganking on me (as is the norm with them) even when higher lvl.

My solution? I station my high lvl shadowpriest in the same area that my hunter is grinding in. If an alliance player(s) decide to gank me, I logout, login on my priest, destroy them and camp them for as long as necessary.

They usually get the point, although some alliance are dumber than others. They'll figure it out sooner or later........

[kall]

Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

[Athame]

I have a few things to say on this subject as well, but I think I'll collect my thoughts and post them in 2008 instead. Till then.

[xxhieixx]

Not trying to be mean or anything but its a pvp server, if you don't like it roll pve. I love every aspect of pvp, even if a level 70 is camping me. I let the general chat know as well as my guild and they're dead within seconds =P It's an easy problem to solve for me. If you're not in a guild I suggest you join one, I was planning on waiting until I hit 60 to join one but realized I might need some help later on and it payed off lol

[Dhoum]

It's worth pointing out (I think) that the Alliance and Horde aren't actually at war. There is an "uneasy peace" thus giving licence for PVP but the armies of the different nations are not at war with one another. Indeed, Thrall is apparently keen for a more solid peace between the two factions. Being an inveterate roleplayer I largely stopped ganking Alliance with my Horde character on Burning Blade once I found this out. Rather annoyingly I can't find the quest line that leads to this information, though I think it may be either "Alliance Relations" or "Test of Faith".

Not that this should stop Horde characters from engaging in PVP fun and frolics ... but the two sides aren't officially at war as far as I can tell from any of the lore I've discovered thus far. If anyone knows differently, please let me know.

[TehDarkrunner]

Perhaps the mods should prune threads that are "necromantic OmG!!one1!" I usually only check in in the morning for a minute or two before work.....so excuse me if I click on a thread that is 4th down on the list and I don't have time to check the date....

[Polaba]

griefing is very effective at keeping specific people from playing on a server. during beta, a particularly hated person was identified as playing on the same server as my guild, that included 20+ people from the same city as him. we got friends on the horde side to add him as friend, and setup a permanent kill reward (every day everyone would add 1g to a pool). eventually he couldnt log on without us knowing and sending gank parties to his zone. He stopped playing on the server shortly after that.

Jesus Christ...

[tralkar]

your on a pvp sever live with it..

[Evaid]

you can report them on wowjackass.com (http://wowjackass.com)