Many questions and thoughts about Arathi BG

[tigersnake]

Hi, i have recently started playing AB (probably 20-30 times) and am thoroughly enjoying it.

I have noticed quite a few things which tend to annoy me and was wondering if any of you kind hearted peoples can give me any answers.

1) sometimes when entering AB, the gates are already open and the battle is raging, i call out for an invite and everyone ignores me, so i yell for an invite and i get a response along the lines of...THE RAID GROUP IS FULL or i get no response at all.
Is the BG bugged in so much that the gates should not be open until all of the people entering the BG have done so or is this the norm.

2) i regularly come within the top 5 players in most BG's i enter, however i also seem to have more deaths than most people (maybe 20% more), is it also bugged that i can get many HK's, Defend a few bases have the most killing blows etc but have a higher death ratio and still come out top of the board?

Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated

[theblackgeese]

Ive been lead to beleive that you earn more honor fighting alone than in a group if you are near the top of the killing ladder so they might be doing you a favour by not inviting you. If you do like grouping with other players (like be btw) then when you are in a group add some of the more firendly/ better players to your friends list then try and group up with them before you go in. After a while you should have a list containing a large group of the more common PVPers in your friends list then hopefully when you go in there will be atleast one of them in there already just whisper them for an invite :happy34:

[theblackgeese]

PS
I dont know if you can call 2 questions many :winky47: :chinny:

[DarksideKarma]

Hi, i have recently started playing AB (probably 20-30 times) and am thoroughly enjoying it.

I have noticed quite a few things which tend to annoy me and was wondering if any of you kind hearted peoples can give me any answers.

1) sometimes when entering AB, the gates are already open and the battle is raging, i call out for an invite and everyone ignores me, so i yell for an invite and i get a response along the lines of...THE RAID GROUP IS FULL or i get no response at all.
Is the BG bugged in so much that the gates should not be open until all of the people entering the BG have done so or is this the norm.

2) i regularly come within the top 5 players in most BG's i enter, however i also seem to have more deaths than most people (maybe 20% more), is it also bugged that i can get many HK's, Defend a few bases have the most killing blows etc but have a higher death ratio and still come out top of the board?

Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated

Question Number 1. Battlegrounds start I believe 2 minutes after each team has enough people to create the instance. When you first enter the game the gates will be down and you can had started. Someone had to have left the game already and you were next in queue. If they wen't AFK but didn't leave the raid group, that could be why they are saying the raid is full. Really the Raid isn't full as it can hold up to 40 people and you only get 15 in AB. It's not uncommon to join games that have already started. A lot of people will see that they are losing and /AFK out of the game, allowing the next person in line to join.

Question Number 2. Ranking really just shows you who has the most killing blows. You don't gain any bonus honor for being number 1 and honestly, it's irrelevant as you still suffer diminishing returns so you'll stop gaining honor from killing people if you've done a couple matches against them. If two people have the same amount of killing blows it checks other things like deaths and recoveries and caps etc to determine who came in first. You gain the most honor from winning, so you want to stay with your raid group and follow orders. Going off and killing random players won't benefit your team at all, and you'll end up losing and gaining lower Honor.

[tigersnake]

Lol...yeah i know that 2 questions isnt MANY, i am at work and was cut short.

Ok as a continuation to my previous post....

3) Is there any one class that are the ultimate worst to fight against, it seems to me that i have the hardest time against rogues as i always seem to stumble into their path of destruction, that said if i get the jump on them i will generally kill them, oh and priests are pretty bad with the whole mind control thing (throwing me off the cliffs is funny the first time but not the ninth !!!)

4) Has anyone noticed that no one listens to the raid leader, generally speaking they will know what they are talking about but still most people tend to ignore them.....maybe its just me who has noticed this but i doubt it.

5) i love being a hunter and i am currently placing most of my talent points into BM and MM, i think the reason i tend to get a lot of killing blows is due to Aimed shot getting a large amount damage, do you agree that this would be the reason why this should happen?

6) A Night Elf hunter friend says the reason that he is moderately successful in BG's is that he basically tags as many enemies as he possibly can possibly can and uses volley and multi shot often, this would seem a little like cheating to me, as you are basically contributing very little to killing the mobs but taking the glory, he runs round like a maniac to wherever the biggest battles are, sends his pet in, volleys and multi shots and reaps the rewards...again is this something which is common practice?

In reply to the above posts, i always try to follow the raid leaders instructions, never afk from battle even when beaten like a dog, always give 100% and try to defend bases and attack bases as much as possible, i die a lot whilst trying but always give everything and try to have fun.

Sorry for the long post, i ahve a lot to ask and also have much more to ask when i am able to do so.

[iamthejuggler]

As a hunter you'll learn how to deal with rogues fairly quickly, keep 'detect stealth' tracking ability on and as soon as you spot one hunters mark so they can't vanish. Then they are at your mercy, get a coupla good shots off and they drop like a stone.

I don't think you can actually be feared off the cliff, it is caused by fear ending when you are confused and have keys down (this is based on what someone else wrote so don't flame me if it's wrong ;)). But i don't think for me there is one class in particular that i hate. Maybe shamans/warriors as they are hard to drop and are too good at keeping me at melee range!

I don't know about others but i never use aimed shot in bg, it's just way too slow. I'm 21 MM and 30 Survival specced to get as many crits as i can, my multishot often hits the main target for 900-100 and 2 others for 800 each. That helps a lot if you are looking for high placing on the scoreboard (i'm regularly in the top 3 as are most of the other hunters i play with).

Your friend who is hitting as many people as he can get to get hk's won't be getting many killing blows, and as honor is largely based on damage done, not number of people hit, he is only cheating himself ;)

Basically as a hunter in arathi basin you can clean up. I don't know how BM specced hunters fair against MM/Survival but either way it's a refreshing change to be appreciated after all those levels where finding groups was hard :D

[DarksideKarma]

Lol...yeah i know that 2 questions isnt MANY, i am at work and was cut short.

Ok as a continuation to my previous post....

3) Is there any one class that are the ultimate worst to fight against, it seems to me that i have the hardest time against rogues as i always seem to stumble into their path of destruction, that said if i get the jump on them i will generally kill them, oh and priests are pretty bad with the whole mind control thing (throwing me off the cliffs is funny the first time but not the ninth !!!)

4) Has anyone noticed that no one listens to the raid leader, generally speaking they will know what they are talking about but still most people tend to ignore them.....maybe its just me who has noticed this but i doubt it.

5) i love being a hunter and i am currently placing most of my talent points into BM and MM, i think the reason i tend to get a lot of killing blows is due to Aimed shot getting a large amount damage, do you agree that this would be the reason why this should happen?

6) A Night Elf hunter friend says the reason that he is moderately successful in BG's is that he basically tags as many enemies as he possibly can possibly can and uses volley and multi shot often, this would seem a little like cheating to me, as you are basically contributing very little to killing the mobs but taking the glory, he runs round like a maniac to wherever the biggest battles are, sends his pet in, volleys and multi shots and reaps the rewards...again is this something which is common practice?

In reply to the above posts, i always try to follow the raid leaders instructions, never afk from battle even when beaten like a dog, always give 100% and try to defend bases and attack bases as much as possible, i die a lot whilst trying but always give everything and try to have fun.

Sorry for the long post, i ahve a lot to ask and also have much more to ask when i am able to do so.

3. Each class really has their own strengths in AB. Rogues can be a pain because chances are, if you find a node that doesn't have anyone guarding it, there will be a Rogue around stealthed waiting for you to try and take it. They're also great for scouting and ninjaing stations. Warriors with a Healer will ultimately wreck a bunch of people. Mages/Warlocks are great for getting people who are trying to take the node off by AoE's.

4. Depends on who you play with. Sometimes you can get an organized group of people together and everyone listens. Other times you get people who dont care and just run around and try and kill whoever they see. If you really want to excel at AB, I'd recommend joining a PvP guild or joining a good group of people who communicate and use a Voice over IP program like Team Speak or Ventrilo for communication.

5. Killing blows is just that, killing blows. If you see a Priest at 20% life and pop an aim shot and finish him off, you get that Killing Blow. If you do 99% of the enemies life and I come over and kick him for 25 and kill him. I get the killing blow. It really does nothing for you. I see Hunters target the lowest lifed person in the crowd, pop an aim shot and get really high on the boards. You get nothing out of it.

6. People fail to realize that if you're 1) in a raid group, it's distrubted to the people in the group around the area that you killed the person. Solo honor is dependant on how much damage you do to somebody before they die. If I kill someone at 10% life with an ambush I'll get significantly less honor than if I ambushed/backstabbed a mage at 100% life killing him instantly. By him tagging each person with a little amount of damage. He might get credit and that will count as a kill for him, but he's hardly getting any Honor out of it. You also have diminishing returns with Honor. If you kill someone repeatedly on the 4th death you get no Honor from them. If I remember correctly it goes 100% honor, 50%, 25%, and no honor. The people who succeed in Arathi Basin, or any battlegrounds for that matter helps the raid group, gives orders, or listens and works together. Winning a battleground ALWAYS yields more Honor than randomly killing. The quicker you win them, the more Honor you get.

[tigersnake]

thanks very much for the clear and concise replies....exactly what i was looking for and exactly what i didnt think i would get.

Oh as a side note, i didnt mean fear...i meant mind control and yeah it was probably me tapping on the keys that got me thrown off the cliffs....lol

Cheers and please look forward to my next installment of stupid questions asked by me !!!

[DarksideKarma]

No problem. With fear, you won't go off the side of a cliff or anything, but if you're mind controlled they'll run you off themselves.

[Steamboat]

Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I have some additional questions about AB.

I did AB 14 times before we won (alliance) and there was a big difference during the one time that we won.

The raid leader chose 3 resources and said to only focus on those three. And people actually listened. A couple of times people solo'd off to the 2 resources we hadn't chosen, and he yelled at them to forget them and focus on the main 3. And they listened.

We chose Stables, Lumber Mill, and Blacksmith to defend. We put 2-3 defenders at LM and Stables, everyone else at Blacksmith. The defenders occasionally looked at the map to see the placement of everyone, and they would say in raid "Only 1 defender at the lumber mill" or "I'm at the stables alone, need 2 more" Then the raid leader would say "Bob and Steve, go to the mill." So the theme was, people were listening to the raid leader and following directions.

Is the "focus on only 3 resources" a common strategy/good strategy?
During the 13 AB's that we lost, it was rough. I don't know how they do it, but this is what would happen: You would die, then you would try to ride back to the rest of your group, but you'd just get zerged on the way, and repeat the cycle. Or if you did stay alive, capture something, and defend it -- sure enough at least 10 of the horde would come to your 5 defenders, kill all of them, and move on. Can anyone detail these magical horde strategies for AB?

[iamthejuggler]

Winning and defending three is usually the best way to go but you need to be flexible. If they swamp one of the points you need to know when to accept it as lost and whilst they are still fighting the remnants of the defence organise 3/4 people to take the one they've left relatively undefended. Also a rogue can usually sneak up and assault one of their points if they have staged a particularly heavy attack, making it necessary for them to send some back to defend.

As for getting killed on the way, i have never experienced that happening, if they are zerging people en-route to a base then they obviously don't need any more help in taking it ... i.e. it is lost. regroup and assault somewhere else.

Obviously it can sometimes go badly wrong, i've been 3-2 up sometimes and suddenely it seems every camp is swamped with horde and we go down to 4-1 or even once 4-0 down. The important thing is to communicate and stop people panicking and charging off solo.