rank 14

[ZMUU]

how long does it take from rank2 to rank14 as a shadow priest?
i play more than 6 hours a day, monday to sunday. almost everyday.

my friends says is about 2 months....

also, which BG is faster to get honor point? Warsong or Alterac?

[DarksideKarma]

Neither, go to Arathi Basin unless there is a Warsong Gulch Holiday. Nobody play WSG anymore.

[Bokar]

Neither, go to Arathi Basin unless there is a Warsong Gulch Holiday. Nobody play WSG anymore.

A pity about that, though my level 29 paladin has been playing some.

Like a number of people, I look forward to multiple BG queues at once. That should lessen the wait, and bring about more WG usage. Though my level 50-59 characters will probably STILL not be able to get into anything.

[cyclotronic]

I'm going to be frank, you are not going to make it to rank 14. There can only be 1 rank 14 on a server, well 2, one for each faction. And it takes 60+hours a week to do this. Casual gamers should even think about it.

[doubleaught]

I'm going to be frank, you are not going to make it to rank 14. There can only be 1 rank 14 on a server, well 2, one for each faction. And it takes 60+hours a week to do this. Casual gamers should even think about it.

He said "i play more than 6 hours a day, monday to sunday. almost everyday." That's puts him in the category of "could possibly be a high warlord/field marshal" and out of "no chance in hell" ;)

And yes there can be more than one HW/FM, there are two FMs on the alliance side of my server right now.


Zmuu, wish I could provide more info but from what I've heard yes it'll take you 2-3 months, maybe more if there are tons of people grinding CP on your realm. I do know several rank 14s have had friends play their accounts so they could be online for 12-14hrs, but that's not necessary for every server out there...

Good luck!

[ChaosTree]

A good way to find out wether you have a chance or not is this:

Play at your desired time investment for a week. If your standing is not 1 for that week, you have no chance. If your standing is 1, then you have a good chance, and it will take about 2 months of keeping that standing.

To make it work you will need to create a fixed team. The choice of BG depends on your server. Honor gain will be about the same for both, so it only depends on which one is being played by the most people, so you have the best chance of getting a game running, as well as the greatest chance of meeting a PUG.

[Vindictive]

I'm going to be frank, you are not going to make it to rank 14. There can only be 1 rank 14 on a server, well 2, one for each faction. And it takes 60+hours a week to do this. Casual gamers should even think about it.
Seen at least 2 Warlords on my server EU Sylvanas - Horde.

Vindi

[5zigen]

im gonna say you have a slim to none chance of getting rank 14. my server had no 14's for a long time. the last 14 just dissapeared as most of them do.

I wouldnt even worry about it, the time you have to put in is insane.

[djclaremont]

Some misperceptions earlier in the thread.
There can be multiple Warlords/Field Marshalls (rank 13) per server. A rating of over 50K is needed for that.

There can be only one High Warlord/Grand Marshall (rank 14) per faction at any given time. It requires, I think, 10 weeks of getting "X" honor a week, X varying from server to server.

So, some servers don't have an HW/GM, but will have many of the rank 13's.

So, if you can get up to the number 1 spot on your server, I think it will take 10 weeks of maintaining that to get to rank 14.

[det]

Well..maybe you can enlighten me here:

To be rank 7 (which I am) I need an average honor of 25 000. To keep that rank, I need to keep on making 25 000 honor per week. And so on. Several weeks of 30 000 and more honor is needed to reach rank 8. etc. 35 000 rank 9, 40 000 rank 10, 45 000 rank 11, 50 000 rank 12, 55 000 rank 13 and I guess 60 000 rank 14 - though I am not sure here.

Now in my ranking range I notice that when I had 25 200 points as an average one week and only did 21 000 the next week, my total honor slipped a bit to 25 062 average. Which reinforces my idea that you need a solid 25 000 to stay at rank 7.

This week I made 60 000 Honor points and it wasn't that hard. But the higher you climb in the ranking, some kind of penalty must be implemented. Otherwise anybody could just gain 60 000 points over 10 weeks (120 000 when the ambassadors are in town) and be a High Warlord.

Any ideas?

[doubleaught]

Well..maybe you can enlighten me here:

To be rank 7 (which I am) I need an average honor of 25 000. To keep that rank, I need to keep on making 25 000 honor per week. And so on. Several weeks of 30 000 and more honor is needed to reach rank 8. etc. 35 000 rank 9, 40 000 rank 10, 45 000 rank 11, 50 000 rank 12, 55 000 rank 13 and I guess 60 000 rank 14 - though I am not sure here.


Think of the ranking system as exponential. The first few ranks are cake but get progressively more difficult as you go up. To stay rank 10 and above you generally need 100k honor per week. A guildie of mine who's a general gets about 130k a week and it still takes him weeks to make a small amount of progress. Of course this value will vary depending on how pvp heavy your realm is. I personally got 78k honor last week and went from the bottom of rank 6 to about 60% of the way towards 7.

I did in fact have a brain fart earlier, been playing horde too long and equated HW with FM instead of GM, oops.

good luck to whomever is trying for HW/GM, you'll need it :D

[det]

Me and a friend are on a RP real. He is Ally, I am Horde. With 50 000 Hpoints he advanced about 25% from rank 9 to 10, where he wants to get his shoulders.

Still downloading the patch to figure out how far 60 000 honor got me from rank 7 towards 8...

Edit: 40% towards rank 8, that is where it got me. Still, even with a 3:1 Alliance/Horde ratio, his 50 000 HP ranked him at 129 Alliance side, my 60 000 HP ranked me at 154 Horde side. Looks like Horde is really getting a taste for PvP on earthen Ring now.

[Volja]

Getting High Warlord on a high pop PvP server where everybody is queing for battlegrounds all day is beyond insanity.

[ChaosTree]

Me and a friend are on a RP real. He is Ally, I am Horde. With 50 000 Hpoints he advanced about 25% from rank 9 to 10, where he wants to get his shoulders.

Still downloading the patch to figure out how far 60 000 honor got me from rank 7 towards 8...

Edit: 40% towards rank 8, that is where it got me. Still, even with a 3:1 Alliance/Horde ratio, his 50 000 HP ranked him at 129 Alliance side, my 60 000 HP ranked me at 154 Horde side. Looks like Horde is really getting a taste for PvP on earthen Ring now.
I play horde on the same server as you, and got 51K honor last week. That got me a loss of 10% from rank 9 to 10, so quite clearly it is very dependant on how much PvP is being played on your faction.
Also last week 105K honor gave me a 20% advance, where as the week before I had gotten 20% advance with only 80K honor.

[twosheds]

Let me give you my personal experience on Suramar: I was Rank 8 last week, 33 per cent of the way to Rank 9. Played non-stop all weekend, 175,000 honor. It got me only to 75 per cent of the way to Rank 9. The curve must become insanely steep after Rank 8, which means that most of us not in the "pro" guilds will be able to, eventually, grind our way to Rank 10....maybe.

[sasja]

I'm going to be frank, you are not going to make it to rank 14. There can only be 1 rank 14 on a server, well 2, one for each faction. And it takes 60+hours a week to do this. Casual gamers should even think about it.
I find it chilling that you categorize someone playing more than six hours a day seven days a week as a casual gamer :scared:

[Choperos]

Well,you are all forgetting the biggest factor in top rank pvping: The top spot of every server is ARRANGED!!!
Yeap you read right,all the rank 13s make arrangements between themselves in order for all of them to get the top spot in the least time required...Can u imagine 6 rank 13s trying to reach top spot all at once? Impossible...

Sorry to dissapoint u mate (and any other HW/GM wannabees) but if u haven't been pvping since the first day the BGs came out u got no hope of EVER getting the top spot,no matter which server u r playing in...

If u think I'm exaggerating,try monitoring the standings on Blizzard's site for a month or so and see what happens with the top spot each week...

[ChaosTree]

Well,you are all forgetting the biggest factor in top rank pvping: The top spot of every server is ARRANGED!!!
Yeap you read right,all the rank 13s make arrangements between themselves in order for all of them to get the top spot in the least time required...Can u imagine 6 rank 13s trying to reach top spot all at once? Impossible...

Sorry to dissapoint u mate (and any other HW/GM wannabees) but if u haven't been pvping since the first day the BGs came out u got no hope of EVER getting the top spot,no matter which server u r playing in...

If u think I'm exaggerating,try monitoring the standings on Blizzard's site for a month or so and see what happens with the top spot each week...

You are very wrong, on my server Earthen Ring Europe (RP), We have a rank 13 druid, very much on his way to rank 14. He was around rank 4 two months ago. So you don't need to have played from the start.

You can go from rank 0 to 14 fairly fast, if only you put in the effort, but 6 hours a day may not be enough. I know that our last rank 14, a warrior got about 4K kills in a single week, and around 400K honor, and that may be hard to obtain with "only" 42 hours a week, and on a non-RP realm, it may be much harder.

[Relentles]

It all depends on your server if you have a chance or not.

6 hours a day on my server and you have almost 0 chance to hit rank 14 (Nerzhul).

I went from 1/3 of rank 7 to 3/4 through rank 7 and I hit 170 000 honor points. One week, our top ranked player got 1million cp, but most weeks averages 700k. I've given up and just going for nightslayer which is better anyway.

[5zigen]

On my server 200,000 honor per week for 8 weeks straight got one of the rank 11's where he is. You MIGHT be able to do that with 6 hours a day. But you honestly couldnt do it and have any sort of social life.

You cant compare a RP server to any sort of pvp server...

[det]

You are very wrong, on my server Earthen Ring Europe (RP), We have a rank 13 druid, very much on his way to rank 14. He was around rank 4 two months ago. So you don't need to have played from the start.

You can go from rank 0 to 14 fairly fast, if only you put in the effort, but 6 hours a day may not be enough. I know that our last rank 14, a warrior got about 4K kills in a single week, and around 400K honor, and that may be hard to obtain with "only" 42 hours a week, and on a non-RP realm, it may be much harder.

Gogo Xzamosh, hehe. He was in Ushindi but eventually decided to sedicate his life to PvP. First "just being General" was the goal. Now he is obviously going for High Warlord.

Interesting facts about different progessions with different weeks of HP. Defiler weekend this week and loads of PvP, so my 50 000 honor will most likely not help me too much.

Luckily there is an epic staff and shoulders to be had from the Defilers so I "only" need 6 more months to the highest reputation ;)

@Chaos Tree....what character do you play (if I might ask)

[det]

So indeed the secret ingredient in the calculation = how much honor is gained in a week.

By pure chance I managed to advance exactly 42% in rank 2 weeks ago and 42% last week.

For the first advance I had 52 000 HP, for the second one I needed 71 000 (Defiler weekend)....

[NocturneNight]

Grand Marshal #1 on Shattered Hand, high pop PvP-realm, got some 600cp per week, playing day and night in Alterac Valley (Mage). I could make around 300cp/week when I really tried, being unguilded and a Rogue (we arent exacly known for our fancy aoe...). If I had tried harder I'm sure I could've raked in more honor, now with the BG weekends, im sure you'll need about twice as much, well close anyway. You need to devote all your playtime to PvP, which imo is the most fun you can have in WoW, I love PvP. I'm going to try to became a Grand Marshal on a new char soon, maybe I won't last, but it will be fun to see how far I can get. :happy34:

[DarksideKarma]

That's interesting how the GM on your server actually ranked by playing the worst BG for getting Honor. He must have spent every waking moment in there. I'll stick with about 20 hours a week in MC/BWL/Onyxia and get better gear for less of a headache.

[NocturneNight]

That's interesting how the GM on your server actually ranked by playing the worst BG for getting Honor. He must have spent every waking moment in there. I'll stick with about 20 hours a week in MC/BWL/Onyxia and get better gear for less of a headache.

Well there was no Arathi Basin at that time. So it was either AV or getting chewed up by a premade all-60 tier 2 epic team in WSG.

[ChaosTree]

@Chaos Tree....what character do you play (if I might ask)
Hehe sure you may ask, and I'll even answer :uhhuh: . I play a tauren druid by the name of Krogoth, I've seen you a couple of times in AB.

[Twoflower]

high pop PvP server, and some guild m8s of mine are working on rank 14...

you need a fixed group whit some of the top ppl from your server in it ( my guild m8s teamed up whit the only guild that killed Nefarian on our server so far, wise choise :p ) and ALOT of time. they usualy play from 14:00 till 22:00 - 24:00... they dont join our mc runs, they do nothing else but pvp... they made it to rank 14 in 4-5 months, we have 2 people whit rank14 equipment and 2 more waiting on rank 12 and 13...

just to give you a idea how hard it is on high population pvp server :)

[thazandril]

Are you saying that on a high pop PvP server I have to play 8-10 hours a day to get anywhere? :( I can try for 4 hours a day, but is that enough to get rank 11? (I dont really want higher if I cant get it much easier)

[det]

If you have enough time, I think you can make it to rank 11 "casually"

Just with PuGs I advance to rank 7 and can make up to 70 000 honor points a week. But in the times I advanced up to rank 3, I only did that with Tarren Mill defences...often just 2000 to 7000 honor points. I can compare that pretty well to a friend who plays Alliance side. He is on his way to rank 10, which he will reach with 4 weeks of making between 40 000 and 80 000 honor points.

Of course this differs from server to server...but at this rate he might reach rank 11 in 2 more months. Cheap epic horse and to him easier than doing the Paladin horse quests. (Earthen Ring, high pop, RP)

I am giving myself about 3 more months to make it to rank 10 or 11 and exalted with Defilers. Just hope the Expansion and a possible new BG (in caverns of time) doesn't happen before that.

Hehe sure you may ask, and I'll even answer :uhhuh: . I play a tauren druid by the name of Krogoth, I've seen you a couple of times in AB.

I remember you :)

[Twoflower]

thazandril :

yes that s what i m saying :)

high population server means around 10 000 players... rank 14 are TWO of them per faction...

[det]

To witness as well:

Earthen Ring: Alliance has two Grand Marshalls this week: Vyrahil and Zetrix. You "only" have to hit the average of 60 000 HPoints

[doubleaught]

I think you mean 60k rating, which is a helluva lot different than 60k honor points... Most ranks 12+ on my realm are getting 400k+ honor per week. I think the HW got 600k or so...

edit: and I don't think my realm is uncommon at all for a pvp realm. Everything that's being said about becoming HW/GM is true, you really have to play as close to 24/7 as possible. Insanity imho.

[Ankh]

If you have enough time, I think you can make it to rank 11 "casually"

Just with PuGs I advance to rank 7 and can make up to 70 000 honor points a week

I just made it to rank 10 on a low/medium pop server by playing "casually". I have made about 80 000 honor points per week for about 3 months now. But I am in doubt if 80k per week is enough to advance to rank 11. Actually, I doubt it. I believe 80k is about what you need to keep your position at rank 10. I will test it, though. If I don't get anywhere with this pace I will decide whether I should try to push up my killings in BG for a couple of very hectic weeks and try to reach rank 11 the fast way, or to simply give it up (I am a family man, so I have limited time to put in).

I will keep on building my rep., though. I am very close to exalted with Defilers (17k/21k) now by playing almost exclusively AB the whole time - so this might be a sort of landmark for someone who wants to know how much effort it takes to reach these ranks and reps.

[det]

I think you mean 60k rating, which is a helluva lot different than 60k honor points... Most ranks 12+ on my realm are getting 400k+ honor per week. I think the HW got 600k or so...



Indeed..I meant the average rating of 60 000 "what-nots", that is needed to be da Boss

[SMumps]

Y'all should really read the patch notes. In the changes from 1.7 --> 1.8, Blizzard stated that they were going to make it easier for players to attain ranks.

What they essentialy did was "nerf" the ranks so that most casual players would top out at rank 10, and that most hardcore players would top out at rank 13. By pvp'ing relativelyy infrequenetly you can get up to rank 10 relatively quickly - but you're never going further than that. Well maybe you will, but you'll gain at most 10% a week.

However, those of you saying that 10 hours will be enough for rank 14 are just without a clue, assuming you're talking about a pvp realm. I play on Nerzhul - a high pop pvp server. I play with the best AB team that is literally unbeatable and is comprised of almost all rank 11-13s (once someone hits 14 they play an alt). Most of those guys (I am the exception since I enjoy raiding so dont pvp that often) play at minimum 15 hours a day, and this isnt just playing AB, then queue'ing up and doing some else. This is AB, queue'ing, world pvp'ing in BRM, doing AB, rinse-repeat.

Literally to go ANYWHERE past rank 12 you're going to HAVE to be top 5 standing. At my current rate (10th standing on the server each week, give or take) it would take me almost SIX WEEKS to go from General to Warlord. That's just something I dont want to do and so I've recently been pvp'ing extremeley infrequently.

Once you hit warlord, you will top 3 to go forward, and top standing to really move a significant amount. We had a guy that got standing 4 and literally almost deranked because of it.

Rank 14 is probably the toughest thing in the game. Rank 14 > Nefarion in terms of difficulty. Sure it requires 0 skill and just a whole lot of time, but being able to sit in front of a computer for nearly 20 hours a day is impressive!

[DarksideKarma]

Y'all should really read the patch notes. In the changes from 1.7 --> 1.8, Blizzard stated that they were going to make it easier for players to attain ranks.

What they essentialy did was "nerf" the ranks so that most casual players would top out at rank 10, and that most hardcore players would top out at rank 13. By pvp'ing relativelyy infrequenetly you can get up to rank 10 relatively quickly - but you're never going further than that. Well maybe you will, but you'll gain at most 10% a week.

However, those of you saying that 10 hours will be enough for rank 14 are just without a clue, assuming you're talking about a pvp realm. I play on Nerzhul - a high pop pvp server. I play with the best AB team that is literally unbeatable and is comprised of almost all rank 11-13s (once someone hits 14 they play an alt). Most of those guys (I am the exception since I enjoy raiding so dont pvp that often) play at minimum 15 hours a day, and this isnt just playing AB, then queue'ing up and doing some else. This is AB, queue'ing, world pvp'ing in BRM, doing AB, rinse-repeat.

Literally to go ANYWHERE past rank 12 you're going to HAVE to be top 5 standing. At my current rate (10th standing on the server each week, give or take) it would take me almost SIX WEEKS to go from General to Warlord. That's just something I dont want to do and so I've recently been pvp'ing extremeley infrequently.

Once you hit warlord, you will top 3 to go forward, and top standing to really move a significant amount. We had a guy that got standing 4 and literally almost deranked because of it.

Rank 14 is probably the toughest thing in the game. Rank 14 > Nefarion in terms of difficulty. Sure it requires 0 skill and just a whole lot of time, but being able to sit in front of a computer for nearly 20 hours a day is impressive!

3-4 hours a week to clear BWL, kill Nef and get Ashkandi > 20 hours a day for months to get HW Sword.

[5zigen]

3-4 hours a week to clear BWL, kill Nef and get Ashkandi > 20 hours a day for months to get HW Sword.

If you honestly think that, you must be on drugs.

[DarksideKarma]

Why, because I'd rather spend 8-12 hours a week vs 50-60 hours a week to get my phat epics?

[InziTheSpikey]

3-4 hours a week to clear BWL, kill Nef and get Ashkandi > 20 hours a day for months to get HW Sword.

You must have some godly Guild, if they can clear BWL in 3 hours.

But yeah, if you're going for Epics, PvE is so much more rewarding, and significally less time needed to get to a point beyond PvP players.

[SMumps]

Why, because I'd rather spend 8-12 hours a week vs 50-60 hours a week to get my phat epics?

You are honestly on drugs if you think it's that easy. Clearing BWL is not 3-4 hours - my guild (which i have a raid attendance of 100%) clears to Nef, no wipes on the way, and it takes longer than that.

Also, Ashkandi isnt a sure thing, I think something like a 10% drop rate? Takes a lot of nef kills for one to drop, then you need to be the warrior with the highest dkp (or rogue, or heaven forbid, hunter).

Getting ashkandi is probably easier, but to say "3-4 hours to go get my Ashkandi" is just insane. It requires a lot of time put in.

[ChaosTree]

... I play with the best AB team that is literally unbeatable and is comprised of almost all rank 11-13s (once someone hits 14 they play an alt). Most of those guys (I am the exception since I enjoy raiding so dont pvp that often) play at minimum 15 hours a day, and this isnt just playing AB, then queue'ing up and doing some else. This is AB, queue'ing, world pvp'ing in BRM, doing AB, rinse-repeat.

I think this is actually one of the reasons why it's so hard to get rank 14 on your server. If a lot of rank 13's are playing together, for about the same amount of time, this means that none of them end up gettig rank 14, because the amount of rank points you get for a week is based on how well other players have been doing just around your own rank.

:xmas13:

[SMumps]

Sort of, not really. The rating points you get for getting standing #1 is fixed, and 2-infinity is variable. Once someone hits 13 on our team they will go into "zombie mode" and pvp non stop for 2 weeks and get standing 1 both weeks and usually hit 14.

It means they will have to get 1-2 hours less sleep than everyone else in the group to pvp more. Sure does suck though :/

[NocturneNight]

This thread has become an interesting read. The safest bet is to find a good team to play AB with to reach rank 14, this has been told by alot of my friends who are experienced players in big guilds that regularly do BWL. I'm going to have a taste of what the system is like on my new server with my 29 hunter in WSG tomorow. ^^ I know it's easy ranking up the starter ranks, but if I can't make Sergeant in one week I will prolly never be even close to GM.

The problem in WoW is that PvP is almost not worth it anymore. Have you seen the sample weapons from Ahn'Quiraj? Please. Until Blizzard gives us Tier 2 epic PvP sets and better weapons, most guilds are just gonna call it and go PvE. That's pretty much the current state of the PvP realms today, no PvP only PvE.

Hopefully Blizzard will do something about this in the future. Why should I, as a PvP-player, have to devote myself to PvE? I enjoy PvE in the terms of leveling up, doing the 5man instances, but all of these are just preperations for PvP. What is your character going to do when he's all decked out in the best weapons and armor? Pose as a statue in IF? No, he's gonna bash someone skull in with. Please Blizzard devote more time to PvP! Well atleast they have promised us a new BG; Ashara Crater.

:xmas15:

[kidRiot]

Dont set your goal so high. I assume your 60, if not, dont even bother. First focus on getting Stone Guard/Officers, then try for rank 12 maybe. It takes a lot fo BG's, but you will get *****ing gear out of it.

[ash2ash]

We have a couple people who have been rank 13-14 in our guild and a couple people who are running for rank 14.

Basically, on most servers you have to be in BG all of your free time for about 2-3 continuous weeks AFTER you've attained rank 13 to get to rank 14. Unless you're willing to invest pretty much 8 hrs a day in battlegrounds, you are not going to make the grind. Esp as a caster class it is just not worth it - better to go finish up blackwing lair and get your Lokamir Romanthis / Staff of the Shadowflame than grind up to rank 13/14 and get armor with high stam and at best weapons with decent +damage.

Blizzard has said that they would scale PVP gear with weaponsets that come out in instances, but the current trend seems to be that rank 13/14 items are only marginally better than high tier instance gear and is sometimes downright worse (note the lack of +damage on PvP items which has become the stat of choice for caster PvP). WoW was conceived with PvE in mind first and PvP as an afterthough, so don't be suprised if the trend continues.

In terms of playing the game for fun, if you ask me, I prefer the consistent challenge that high end instances provide to teams of 40 players rather than the hit or miss challenge that battlegrounds provide.

Personally, as a holy/disc priest I find that the pvp rewards are laughable because the primary focus stats are completely bass-ackwards for PvP and PvE - which is a bit unfair considering that it means that dps classes are going to get the both worlds. On my rogue, I intend to get up to rank 12 for some partial PvP reward armor, but I don't intend to go further since I feel that I don't think the extra 5 damage on my weapon will measure up to the ridiculous amount of effort I will have to put in.

I guess this kinda turned into a bit of a critique of the PvP system that blizzard has implemented, but I'm not complaining too much since I really like the PvE encounters that blizzard has thought of. I guess my point is that if you want the most out of the game, IMO PvE is the way to go with PvP as a secondary focus.

[det]

3-4 hours a week to clear BWL, kill Nef and get Ashkandi > 20 hours a day for months to get HW Sword.

(...and the posts replying to this...)

Everyone has to figure that out for themselves. I cannot play constantly 4 hours a day in an instance and our guild only now starts gathering players for MC: Since we are mostly players with family and jobs we are not as "focused" as other guilds are. We had 3 attempts at MC. The first was 3 hours even figuring the damn thing out. The second was 3 hours and wiping at Luci, the 3rd was 4 hours and wiping at Luci. Considering we might need 3 hunters with Tranq shot for Magmadar..that is at least 3 more weeks (and we were not even close to killing Luci). Okay..so maybe we do suck :innocent:

At that rate my "casual" AB play will get me to rank 10 and exalted with Defilers faster than to Ragnaros. And I don't have 5 other 'locks to compete for gear with. At the end of my PvP career I will have the "medium set" or 6 items with nice bonuses and an epic staff.

[DarksideKarma]

(...and the posts replying to this...)

Everyone has to figure that out for themselves. I cannot play constantly 4 hours a day in an instance and our guild only now starts gathering players for MC: Since we are mostly players with family and jobs we are not as "focused" as other guilds are. We had 3 attempts at MC. The first was 3 hours even figuring the damn thing out. The second was 3 hours and wiping at Luci, the 3rd was 4 hours and wiping at Luci. Considering we might need 3 hunters with Tranq shot for Magmadar..that is at least 3 more weeks (and we were not even close to killing Luci). Okay..so maybe we do suck :innocent:

At that rate my "casual" AB play will get me to rank 10 and exalted with Defilers faster than to Ragnaros. And I don't have 5 other 'locks to compete for gear with. At the end of my PvP career I will have the "medium set" or 6 items with nice bonuses and an epic staff.

I get what you're saying and if you want to stop there, that's easily obtainable. I've reached rank 8 just playing AB twice a week for a few hours just messing around on off days. We're talking epics vs epics. Rank 14 vs MC/BWL.

If you're playing one you're dedicated to playing it. If you're pvping for Rank 14 you're spending hours and hours a day in AB/AV/WSG. If you're PvEing you're spending hours and hours and hours inside MC/BWL. The difference is, once you've figured out BWL/MC you can do it in a few hours and be done with it. A guild of RL friends just started doing MC 3 weeks ago on Friday/Saturday only. They're doing Majordomo and should have him beat in maybe a week. Unfortunately, strategies are easily obtainable, and with the strategies you can easily clear Molten Core (not to say everyone's doing it).

To get the PvP rewards, you just have to blow a massive amount of time until you get it and then you're done. With PvE, you spend a lot less time per week inside those instances then you do in Battlegrounds and get the epics out of it as well. It's less of a burnout and more of an incentive to play IMO. My guild is at the point of clearing Molten Core in a single night in about 4-5 hours. I'd rather do that once a week then every single night for however many months it takes to get Rank 14 (and if I happen to miss a day or two, dropping in rank)

[det]

Yep..I can see that. I now notice I needed 70 000 points to gain 30% inside rank 8, our shiny new rank 14 needed 350 000 for the last few weeks.

Being a Warlock I have no need for a cheap epic horse anymore, so rank 10 will be a good place to stop (around February).

Then I see how our guild keeps progressing in MC...I still will have the chance to join them once or twice per week.

[Metatron]

But have you seen the warlock rank 14 gear? Man I want those clothes! They are just too cool! The Gear (http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/pvpminisite/en/index.htm)

Oooo I want!

[ash2ash]

But have you seen the warlock rank 14 gear? Man I want those clothes! They are just too cool! The Gear (http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/pvpminisite/en/index.htm)

Oooo I want!

They might look really cool but most casters I know of would rather have gear with more +damage and less stats. I'd rather be able to kill a class at range than have to go toe to toe in a stam battle with warriors / rogues.

[det]

But have you seen the warlock rank 14 gear? Man I want those clothes! They are just too cool! The Gear (http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/pvpminisite/en/index.htm)

Oooo I want!

Yes..the General/Warlord set is nice. But rank 14 is what? A staff? Are you willing to invest all your playing time and more for this staff?

[Qwertius]

I am in guild for PVE, on the Maelstrom.. we are mostly busy with PVE, Nefarian at the moment (not beaten yet)

We have one High Warlord a Warrior who did AB non stop for about 2 months. We have about 7 rank 11-13 in the guild, most of them stop at rank 13. (or 11 for the epic horse) All the 60 others like me don't bother to get beyond rank 8.

For rank 8, I need only 25,000 30,000 CP each week. I do that since dec 1st and I haven't dropped a bit I stay at about 40-50% in rank 8. To get to rank 8 from rank 6 I only needed a few weeks of 50,000. This numbers tell me that our server is not so PVP oriented since I read here that others had to put up much more effort to get to this (lowbie) rank 8.

Rank 7-8 is also considered to last of the easy ranks.. 9-10 is harder above 10 is agony.

I do confirm that the rank 13 guys (btw we have one rank 12 GIRL in the guild, she's a real amazone :) ) DO arrange the rank 14 spot. Like if 3 are at Warlord rank 2 of them will cut back say 'only' 250,000 CP that week while the 3rd will do some more say 320,000 .. To ensure him the #1 spot and getting to rank 14. After 2 weeks or so they change...

To get to rank 14 you have to be unemployed and a little crazy. My advise.. Don't try it. I have only seen people get disgusted with he game trying it

After rank 14 you FALL in a BLACK HOLE the . what now? You will drop back immediatley to rank 13, 12 and lower since nobody is insane enough to keep that amount of playing up.

You have the coolest gear, but will be so sick of PVP you won't use it where it is needed.. the BG... Our High Warlord is now doing PVE with us with his uber DPS gear.. We love him and are proud he is our man but he won't do any AB anymore. You can do MC and BWL as easy or better without the PVP gear


If you still want to try it:

GOOD luck , For the HORDE! and may Thrall be with you.

If you are alliance , you can drop dead, preferably by my hands so I get honor from your defeat.

:xmas15:

[spymoose]

Getting Rank 14 is all relative to those on your own server. For instance, on my server this week (Warsong holiday) the person who gets Standing-1 will have between 800k-1mil CPs. That is what the last WSG holiday brought and I'm grouping with the Mage who will likely be Standing-1 this week and will hit Rank 13.

Basically, up until Rank 13 you just need Top 8 to continually move forward. Figuring out which standings you need isn't that hard, but getting the CPs to beat the rest of your faction is. Not only are there many people who have much more time to play than you, they are probably running with guild groups that win almost every game they play.

To the original OP, 6 hours a day is not enough, at least not on a medium-high population PVP server.

Now, Rank 14 takes no where near 2 months...it is MUCH longer. In order to get from Rank 13 to 14 you need around 1 month minimum having placed Standing-1 at least twice and any time you're not Standing-1 you need to be Standing-2. Rank 14 is almost as bad as Rank 11-13, but takes a little less time. Rank 1-8 should take you about a month if you play a lot and Rank 8-11 should be another month if you get Standings of around 25-50. After that, it will likely be another 6 weeksish to do 12 and 13 assuming you're near the top Standing.

That is the general idea, I run with a group of Generals (I should hit Rank 11 soon) and they are all on the trek to Rank 13.

So, if you have months and months to waste, by all means go ahead. You can get to Rank 8 (maybe 9 or 10 depending on server) playing casually, but if you want to get into the Epic gear you will need to throw your life out the window, especially on BG holiday weekends, and push for the top standings or you will be a) Wasting your time playing more than you would like & b) Falling short, thus never going to make your effort worthwhile.

[det]

Getting Rank 14 is all relative to those on your own server. For instance, on my server this week (Warsong holiday) the person who gets Standing-1 will have between ....

Yep..so true. Our number 1 usually makes 300 000 HP, this week he made 600 000. And it affects the other players.

At rank 8, I advanced 30% with 70 000 2 weeks ago. This week, with the crazy bonus from WSG and ppl playing 24 hours it seemed I made 80 000 pts and looked forward to a good jump in my rank. But only got 10%

:(

[Surefire]

Concerning a previous psot about only being 1 rank1 4 on each side same time.. Well that is rubbish.. If you manage honor well i.e keeping close togetehr then 2 people or maybe even 3 can get rank14 same time..

I suggest you check Frostwhisper Horde side right now.. For PVP rankings and you will see 2 rank 14's me and my pvp hardcore mate..

[Raistlin Majere]

You need to factor in your que times as well. I have to wait 55 minutes-1 hour and 30+ to just get in.

[det]

Yes you can have several rank 14 - that has been stated and proven. If you are quick you will see EU-Earthen Ring Horde has 2 Highwarlords (though next week there will be zero).

Queue time: Horde has pretty much 0-10 minutes, Ally 30 - 90 on EU-ER.

[det]

I might have to reconsider my take on rank 14:

Somebody linked the Hand of Ragnaros in Trade Chat: An "orange" (artifact?) weapon with 80 dps. The Grand marshal weapon is 77 dps. Now..I don't recall the exact other stats of both weapons (and am too lazy to look it up), but how are the chances of getting that Hand of Ragnaros? And how much time do you have to invest to get it? Suddenly 2 months of 16 hours a day PvP don't look so bad (if you are young and have no job or family :grin: )