Did i Gank them?

[Dexx]

I am basically writing this to find out if i ganked some horde by mistake a few nights ago on a PVE server.

A few nights back my Lvl48 NE Hunter and a similar lvl NE warrior were on the coast of the hinterlands completing a quest that required picking up bottles of grog for somone in Booty bay.

We were already in PVP mode due to a challenge for a fight from some horde in STV.

I was making my way along the coast and stumbled apon a horde camp. Knowing i was still in PVP mode, i backed off and started to head back in the other direction. A lvl49 Undead mage came charging out in PVP mode and asked for a duel.

I declined and went about collecting more bottles.

A couple of minutes later i got hit by a spell from the mage which sent the cat into attack. I finished him off fairly quickly with a few shots and a sting to remove his mana. Mage - Mana = Easy Kill. During the short battle he kept on using the wait emote. He died and i went on my way.

He reappeared and again he fired a spell at me. Again, the battle was over fairly quickly.

I have not won many PVP battles because i tend to stay away from them or end up getting bushwacked by horde players several levels above me, but the ease of the wins made me rub it with a few /train emotes.

Thinking that this would be the end of it, i made my way up the coast to find the NE Hunter that i was grouped with before we made our way back to southshore.

The Undead Mage appears again, this time with a lvl45 undead warlock. I was killed fairly quickly. I thought, 'Fair enough. You got me back with backup, go you!'

As soon as i rez'd they killed me again. That was just plain nasty. I /w the warrior and told him i was getting tag teamed by a couple of undead. He joined me and we had a battle that basically worked out as us 8, them 3.

That was not enough for them. After another couple of minutes they reappeared with a Tauren Hunter and killed us. When we rez'd, they killed us again after camping round our bodies with an additional lvl 51 Troll Hunter. On the second rez, they were not around.

The warrior said that we should just leave as we were out numbered. I wanted revenge. So as he heartstoned i found them on my radar minus the troll hunter. They seemed to have been having trouble with a few of the turtles that were on the beach. I killed the two undead fairly quickly with a multi shot and then killed the Tauren shortly after that because their health was low.

Thinking that i had my revenge, i started to head back to southshore only to bump into the Troll hunter. It was an even match until the undead and tauren turned up and made short work of me. Again, they camped around my body, when i rez'd they killed me.

The second time i never rez'd but went to my body to find them still waiting. They hung around for about 10 minutes waiting for me to rez before disappearing.

What i want to know is, did i gank them and make them so mad that they kept on coming back with more horde or is this what normally happens in PVP battles?

From a PVP noob.

[thazandril]

General rule I always follow. Never KoS unless they kill you first. For instance if I'm in Tyr's Hand and some guy owns me, I quickly res, kill him back, and carry on whatever I'm doing. If the guy gets backup to own me, I move to another spot to train, and carry on.

Hope that helps.

[mesonm]

you are obviously on a PvE server...

Sounds to me like the system, and your philosophy worked as the game intends...

You were in pvp mode, and got fired upon...both of your groups killed each other a bit, and the game moved on...

I'm on a pvp server where the first battle often starts much more anonymously, with the first party finding the second party engaged in battle with a mob, and the first party ends of attacking the second party while he is being hit by the mob....heh

there is no 'please duel me'....there is 'BOOM'...on my server...

[Hateblade]

There is no such thing as "Gank". That word was made up by people who got their feelings hurt, when some immature person on a PvP server camped them for an hour or 2. You are on a PvE server. That means you HAVE TO FLAG to fight. If your flag is on, it's war. Period. They can't complain, you can't get in trouble, you were not "ganking". It's a game about killing. So I wish people would stop getting butthurt, when it happens to them. I'm glad you enjoyed your PvP experiance. Do it more often. If you don't let stupid things like that get in the way, it can be a whole lot of fun.

[thazandril]

There is no such thing as "Gank". That word was made up by people who got their feelings hurt, when some immature person on a PvP server camped them for an hour or 2. You are on a PvE server. That means you HAVE TO FLAG to fight. If your flag is on, it's war. Period. They can't complain, you can't get in trouble, you were not "ganking". It's a game about killing. So I wish people would stop getting butthurt, when it happens to them. I'm glad you enjoyed your PvP experiance. Do it more often. If you don't let stupid things like that get in the way, it can be a whole lot of fun.

Go point. My rule applied for me but I am PvP server :)

I think for PvE if there is someone with PvP enabled, then it's free honor if the guy is there, might as well go for the kill.

[MeTaLsIck]

lol, I use the word "gank" all the time, just to signify killin the other faction.

As I am also in a PvP server, there is no mercy. It's survival of the fittest. If you get killed, you better rez a little ways away and get some backup or learn2play.

I am fortunate enough to be fairly good at games that I play, so I usually do not die. In fact, just yesterday, I was running around Stonetalon mountains and found a lvl 28 ne hunter picking on a lvl 20 orc warrior who had very little armor. I decided to help the guy out and un-ghostwolfed (is that even a word?) and then put on my lightning sheild. The lvl 20 orc started to run to me for protection (I am only lvl 24 shaman) and the wierdest thing happened. The lvl 28 hunter turned around and started to run like a bat out of hell. Since he was running toward one of my party members, I simply told my party to *edit* him, in which he did :D The lvl 20 thanked me and moved on his way.

Soon after this, I started to run up the mountain trail a little further. Sure enough, here is a lvl 28 ne rogue fighting a lvl 20 tauren druid and a lvl 20 orc warrior (who was dead atm).

I came up and un-ghostwolfed again, then put on rockbiter (my LS wasn't gone from before yet) and started to run to the lvl 20's. The rogue tried to stealth, but I fireballed him before he could, placing a DoT on him.

After a small fight, he was dead, and the lvl 20's were thanking me. Twas quite a travel to sun rock retreat. All I wanted was a flight path too lol.

Anyway, in a PvP server, duels are sudden and it's either kill or be killed. There's no "ganking" on a PvE server.

[MorcOrc]

The replies here are correct... Ganking really just doesn't exist other than as another word used to describe eliminating the opposing faction. Using it in any other way really is pointless, and the game WAS designed for one faction to be able to attack, and kill, the other faction REGARDLESS of any level difference between the two or more players.

I am also on a PvP server now, and I never ever get an honest battle.... I'm happily minding my own business and questing, and then BANG! it all starts... Well, there are times I happen to be aimlessly wandering and find THEM minding their own business questing, and I shamlessly wait for opportunity :)

The main point is, I dish it out, I better be able to take it. Otherwise, I should just get my little fragile ego somewhere else or into another game :)

Now, life on a PvE server is a bit different :) You can get away with anything, UNTIL you flag yourself PvP... If you flag yourself PvP, then you MUST understand the consequences of doing that and be ready for "Worst case scenario" to happen. After all, you VOLUNTARILY flagged yourself...

Personally? Yeah, there are days I get my ash handed to be hand over fist... then there are days I get to do the handing.... Its all part of the game, and I enjoy it both ways... I mean, if I always won.. what would be the point of it all?? Think of it as.. well.. a challange :)

[Tollin]

please refrain from the use of words such as "rape" while talking about a computer game. It bothers me to see folks use such an ugly word for real evil in real life to describe a computer game.

I notice that shamen players tend to use that word more often. Must be from that Troogdoor cat on their forums.

Thanks and you can flame me all you want I don't care.

Tollin

[cyradis2003]

please refrain from the use of words such as "rape" while talking about a computer game. It bothers me to see folks use such an ugly word for real evil in real life to describe a computer game.

I notice that shamen players tend to use that word more often. Must be from that Troogdoor cat on their forums.

Thanks and you can flame me all you want I don't care.

Tollin


{flame on}

I find your avatar to be entirely too orangey/black and sometimes the words you type are spelled wrong but not often so it confuses me! :rant:

{/flame}

I completely agree with you on this one. It is a very ugly word for a very ugly act that has no place on game forums :scared: people are desensitized now by it being so mainstream, kind of like calling things gay or retarded. I hate those words too by the way.

As for the original question ... he shot at you first ... twice ... That is not a ganking.

(I use gank as killing a player that had no chance against you - be it far lower level or at very low life etc)

[Ichabodglutz]

* quote (I use gank as killing a player that had no chance against you - be it far lower level or at very low life etc)*quote
I too use the gank term in this way...if you can tell what lvl the opposing player,and thier lvl is a color other than grey,then it's an equal fight.If you kill someone grey in lvl or if the person killing you is lvl ??,then that to me is a gank.Or if you prefer an HK(honour kill)is fair,anything else is ganking.
I play on a PVP server,and have actually helped lower lvl opposing faction players several times.

[Cylloch]

me, i have the /wave emote on hotkey on the side, so usually i just send an allied a wave letting him know that i'm not looking for a fight. my general rule of thumb is that if they get off their mount, i seduce and try to survive. sometimes they /wave back, sometimes they /growl at me, othertimes a rogue uncloaks behind me, kills me, and then /spits on me.

usually though, i'm never the first to attack.

[brandondash]

I notice that shamen players tend to use that word more often. Must be from that Troogdoor cat on their forums.
Thanks and you can flame me all you want I don't care.
Tollin
Very cute Tollin. Throw everybody who plays a shaman under the bus then try to act like our responses are the flames.

:rolleye13
brandon-

[brandondash]

me, i have the /wave emote on hotkey on the side, so usually i just send an allied a wave letting him know that i'm not looking for a fight.
I do that too, only with salute. Alliance are too .... icky .... to act friendly toward; however; I will at least send the signal for a cease fire.

my general rule of thumb is that if they get off their mount, i seduce and try to survive.
Agreed again. I attack on sight though if they unmount. I don't wait to see if they wanna be friendly. As far as I'm concerned unmounting is an act of war.

brandon-

[Asmiroth]

Getting kinda hot in here. I would hate to use an extinguisher. :wink2:

[Tollin]

Very cute Tollin. Throw everybody who plays a shaman under the bus then try to act like our responses are the flames.

:rolleye13
brandon-


Brandon I am not going to get into an argument with you. However, I have been to every class forum on this website in the 8 months I have been a part of this community.

On average I NEVER see the word "rape" used by anybody else.

Now as far as "throwing under the bus." I did not throw your name into the hat, I threw Troogdoor's name out.

I am not flaming shamens. As a matter of fact I support shamens, and am thinking of starting one here real soon.

However, my disgust and utter revulsion at the copius amount that said phrase is used by before mentioned person has now migrated to others thinking they can use it as freely.

As long as those of you on the shamen forums were willing to allow said person go about their business I was fine with it. However, once I saw it here I decided to put my two cents out. Once you know someone, whom you love, go thru that, you tend to have strong feelings about it.

Now I know you can always say that "just don't read those forums." And your right.

Again I am not going to argue with you over this. And I knew that somebody was going to say something to me about the shamen remark.

Apolgies to you brandon I was trying to put the actual name of the actual person in my post.

I have nothing further to say about this.

[MeTaLsIck]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone. As you can see by my low post count, I didn't know.

As far as the using the word because of the shaman section. I just want to clarify that I think I've visited that section maybe 2 or 3 times. As you maybe can tell, it isn't as active as the ones at worldofwarcraft.com.

Again, it is unfortunate that you have had a loved one go through that. Even though it disgusts you, that term is used all the time by people where I live, so I must insist that it is only a way of talking from where I from. Still, I am NOT defending it.

As far as why I used it, it was to signify the way he was obliterated by my friend.

[Atoz]

IMHO, Ganking- to use one's power, postion, and/or ability to take advantage of a non-aggessive opponent (excluding the blizzard design of opening moves).

I was in winterspring with my 57 druid and a 60 hunter showed up. I saw him first and it looked like no threat. I started to fight a mob and he came over to me and waited till I was done fighting, then attacked me. I went travel form and ran away. Fair enough, he chased me away, but he continued to chase me and fianaly killed me after a long run. Now I consider him chasig me down after he attacked first and I fled to be ganking.

[mesonm]

IMHO, Ganking- to use one's power, postion, and/or ability to take advantage of a non-aggessive opponent (excluding the blizzard design of opening moves).

I was in winterspring with my 57 druid and a 60 hunter showed up. I saw him first and it looked like no threat. I started to fight a mob and he came over to me and waited till I was done fighting, then attacked me. I went travel form and ran away. Fair enough, he chased me away, but he continued to chase me and fianaly killed me after a long run. Now I consider him chasig me down after he attacked first and I fled to be ganking.

Reasonable minds may differ...as mine does with yours...

You are well within his honor range, a system put in place by the game designers, and a situation that you knew going in was possible.

You exclude blizzard--designed opening moves (whatever those are) but seem to disregard the blizzard-designed honor system...Hmmmm

He waited til you were done fighting...Imagine that...LOL

If I was the 60 and wanted to kill you, I'd have attacked while the mob was bashing away...heh...I typically don't do open-air(non-BG) PVP unless provoked, but see nothing wrong with it...

If you change the lvls to 60 and 20, I agree with you...but 60 and 57...Pffffft

[Cylloch]

Just a side note to brandon, i've started using a /salute also, and it really saved me already countless times while grinding 39 in stv. Each time a ?? would mount towards me and stop, I'd salute, they would wave or salute, and ride off.

The only ones I would have problems with were the mid 30 characters who didnt seem to know what a sign of respect WAS, and still attack.. BUT, druids can't moonfire me in bear form, so she lost, nananana nana na! SEDUCE <3.

[thazandril]

Just a side note to brandon, i've started using a /salute also, and it really saved me already countless times while grinding 39 in stv. Each time a ?? would mount towards me and stop, I'd salute, they would wave or salute, and ride off.

The only ones I would have problems with were the mid 30 characters who didnt seem to know what a sign of respect WAS, and still attack.. BUT, druids can't moonfire me in bear form, so she lost, nananana nana na! SEDUCE <3.

If you are on a PvP server then StV is probably the only place where you will get ganked/want to gank the opposing faction. I felt like coming back there when I was 60 to kill them, but that's just immature :P

[Diesl]

My god what would you people do on a PVP server??..ROFL.

[mesonm]

The only ones I would have problems with were the mid 30 characters who didnt seem to know what a sign of respect WAS, and still attack.. BUT, druids can't moonfire me in bear form, so she lost, nananana nana na! SEDUCE <3.

I have found that mid-level characters are MUCH more likely to engage in pvp outside the BG's...

In my experience, very few 60's attack other 60's...they either ignore them or /wave, etc.

Lower lvls generally size up the potential opponent and take tham on if they think they can win...(I didn't like this on my mage, since I often lost...but LOVE it on my priest, where the opposing party typically loses if they are equal to or less than 3 lvls above me.)

[MeTaLsIck]

I LOVE to PvP. Period. If I see an alliance, I don't care if he's 9 lvls higher, i'll take him on. Worst comes to worst, I'll die and just rez later.

I usually don't lose though. I've taken on many alliance that were a few levels ahead of me. Most turn and run once they see me start chasing them, unless they are a higher level.

I even attack the ones that /salute or /wave to me. It's a PvP server! You may want to wave, but that doesn't mean I want to.

[Atoz]

Reasonable minds may differ...as mine does with yours...

You are well within his honor range, a system put in place by the game designers, and a situation that you knew going in was possible.

You exclude blizzard--designed opening moves (whatever those are) but seem to disregard the blizzard-designed honor system...Hmmmm

He waited til you were done fighting...Imagine that...LOL

If I was the 60 and wanted to kill you, I'd have attacked while the mob was bashing away...heh...I typically don't do open-air(non-BG) PVP unless provoked, but see nothing wrong with it...

If you change the lvls to 60 and 20, I agree with you...but 60 and 57...Pffffft

I see it your way Mesonm, I could not call it gaking, so I take it back. WWWAAAAA... I was just mad he ran me down when I tried to run away non-combat.

BTW The word ganking is difined on the worldofwarcraft.com

Ganking
Ganking can mean being killed while fighting a monster or killing another player while they are fighting a monster. You WILL be ganked on a regular basis. Watch out for other players while fighting. Often, players will be consumed with their current fight and won't notice the enemy attacking from behind. Don't let your guard down.

[DarksideKarma]

Red = dead. Level 1 to 60.

[brandondash]

Red = dead. Level 1 to 60.
So not true. If you can get a guard or two to help, you can easily take out ??

[mesonm]

So not true. If you can get a guard or two to help, you can easily take out ??

huh?

he is saying that anything that is an enemy is dead...

Unsure what you are saying... ;)

[brandondash]

Woooops! I misunderstood what he said. People were talking about level differences so when I saw "red" I thought he meant "many levels higher".

disregard!
brandon-

[Temarie]

Just a side note to brandon, i've started using a /salute also, and it really saved me already countless times while grinding 39 in stv. Each time a ?? would mount towards me and stop, I'd salute, they would wave or salute, and ride off.

I'm on a PvP server.. When it's red, it's red, no matter which lvl he/she is. When it's a lowbie, I usualy /wave to him or unmount and /dance /cheer... If he don't /wave back or try to run, he better run really fast. He is gonna die :lol:

[Cylloch]

ahh whenever i see a higher level then me unmount, i get the idea that he's going to attack, so i try to get the first hit in by fearing or seducing, or i call up some of my l60 friends in the area >< (which usually is STV or badlands, seeing i'm l40, and i have tons of friends in those two areas usually)

so yeah for me, dismounting is like taking the safety off your rifle.. you take off your safety, i'm firing mine.

(and on a + side, i got a l60 mage to half hp yesterday when she ganked me helping some 30s in thunderaxe fortress! =D if i only remembered to insta cast my felhunter when my fear finally didnt get resisted ><)