For the group of alliance who pillage Tarren Mill on Destromath

[Racenth]

When you are a level 53-60 and you attack level 20-25s 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Thats lame. Killing somone with one hit and camping their body is lame. MOCKING a Lowbie afterwards like you are some kind of MAN is lame. Why Is it one lvl 60 horde rogue shows up and WRECKS 4 out of 6 of you , re spawns and finishes the job? Clearly you need to go into PVP and learn how to compete with charactors your own level. Thats that a 30 year old man beating the crap out of a 10 year old and being proud. I just thought the WOW community should know that 6 alliance lvl 60s ( with entorage of 22-53's) have nothing better to do then spawn camp yet get completely WRECKED by one lvl 60 horde.

If you are one of the normal good alli dont take this to heart. This is not a flame. This is just a nice account of what happens daily in Tarren mills on Destro math. We quest , get bored of being completely insulted. log off , log back in ,, destroy their entire group in under 3 minutes then log back to chars. Is that really needed? Cant you just attack people near your own skill level? Is killing somone whos critical hit is 220hp REALLY that exciting when you are throwing 1 hit kills? Is killing a freshly rez'd mid to low 20's char over and over with 1 hit really that fun? Did you buy your account on ebay?

[Shunkou]

Hey cool down~

I'm an alliance, (low level =D) so I guess I know how these alliances feel.

Not making offensive remarks or insulting for my next statement =)
Currently, in most servers, Horde are pretty good in PvP/Gank/Town Raid. Hence, I guess they are just pissed off at how they lost to Horde of the same level and wanted to vent their frustration ..

Or maybe for some other reason I'm not sure, but camping a person much lower level is pretty lame ..

Currently the most number of times I got ganked by a same Horde is 3 times. And after than, he waves at me, /dance and went off XP
So I'm pretty sure Alliances too have some good peeps hanging around~
Just take a break, have a cup of tea, and play few hours later~

/Cheer


*I've saw one lv 60 Horde (specifically Tauren Warrior) wrecking 5 lv 60 alliances .. And he's pretty good . He still died but it was sure long haha~ I always camp somewhere when there's town raid and see how people play XP*

[Antiochous]

I know how it goes man. I was trying to lvl in TM last night with a lvl 29 priest and my friend who was playing her lvl 30 shaman. We were doing the Hurculars? quests and we were in the yetti cave attempting to charge the rod. A alliance lvl ?? dwarf rogue (of course) would wait around and 1 shot us. Then of course he had /pray keybound so he would pray for you then dissapear only to do it again a couple of minutes later.

It got to the point where we would just fight monsters then as soon as he attack we would stand wave and just let him kill us. It took us 6 or 7 times of doing that before we were able to finish the quest. Needless to say i was not impressed. Not to make any blanket statements but I, and no one I know on horde does crap like this. And the once or twice when I have seen high lvl horde that is ganking lowbies I let him know that he should have more self respect and really go do something else more fitting his lvl. We each need to police our own sides.

Anti

[Twoflower]

yeah, right, we need police ...

pvp server, nuff said. means you can kill anyone anywhere anytime you feel like it as soon as they leave the starting zones.


for your other point : sure, it is lame. sure, i dont do it. sure, they must have some kind of problem in and outside the game world. but you know perfectly well that these people exist, everywhere, ergo also in WoW. Why expose yourself to the goodwill of such people by playing on a pvp server if you can choose not to ?

i kow i did it cause alot of my RL friends were playing on a pvp server, now my toon' s hit lvl 60 and i wont change any more :) but i accept the fate i gave myself in.

so, base line, dont whine. life whit it or change server

[The_Guru]

The thing I always do when I'm about to get ganked by a skull is do something totally weird and unexpected during the process of the gank.

For example on my ally 42 mage I was finishing up a quest in Badlands. A 60 UD rogue came up to me and started attacking me. I Nova'd, ran a bit turned around, poly'd and then started dancing with the sheep. This lasted the whole 30-some second duration of Poly. After that, the rogue just stood there and looked at me. After that she /waved and rode off :p.

Another time when I met up with a gank squad in Sithilus on my lvl 60 war. I typed /shy at the whole group. They ended up giving me a back massage for my troubles :p.

[Antiochous]

yeah, right, we need police ...

pvp server, nuff said. means you can kill anyone anywhere anytime you feel like it as soon as they leave the starting zones.


for your other point : sure, it is lame. sure, i dont do it. sure, they must have some kind of problem in and outside the game world. but you know perfectly well that these people exist, everywhere, ergo also in WoW. Why expose yourself to the goodwill of such people by playing on a pvp server if you can choose not to ?

i kow i did it cause alot of my RL friends were playing on a pvp server, now my toon' s hit lvl 60 and i wont change any more :) but i accept the fate i gave myself in.

so, base line, dont whine. life whit it or change server

I think you completely miss the point. Maybe you are the only one that didnt notice but everyone else knows that you CAN do all those things on a pvp server. The point is that just because you can do it does not make it right does it? You CAN scam people, trick people and generally be a gerk to everyone and that does not mean that you should do it. Being on a pvp server does not mean that you want to get ganked by people 30 lvls higher then you. Nor does it mean that you should.

Most people would accept that being on a pvp server means that you want to be able to fight with the other side. And most people would accept that what that is supposed to mean is that you battle people your lvl. Sure you are going to get ganked and it sucks but I dont see anything wrong with pointing out that getting ganked by high lvl players is not the reason someone plays a pvp server. blizzard has stated many times that the only reason they have not instituted a penalty for high lvl players killing players many lvls below them is that they cannot figure out a system that would be fair in raiding. I think that makes it pretty clear that the whole "you are on a pvp server noob, accept it" is just not a valid argument. Just because they have not figured out a way to stop it yet does not mean that it is not wrong and does not mean that players on a pvp server should take a passive stance twords these actions.

Anti

[cyradis2003]

blizzard has stated many times that the only reason they have not instituted a penalty for high lvl players killing players many lvls below them is that they cannot figure out a system that would be fair in raiding.

Anti

That would also lead to greifing the high levels. If you and a gang of level 20's attack a high level char he couldn't kill you or he would get penalized so basically he would just have to take it and the next and the next ....

[Twoflower]

bla bla bla


i think you didnt realy read past the first paragraph of my last post...

[dannybuk]

The worst experience I had on a PVP server was when I had a horde shaman (lvl 18 if i remember) exploring Stonetalon. I was jumped by a group of four alliance on mounts and quickly killed. After the first death they split in two pairs: two to camp my corpse, and two to camp the graveyard. After a number of failed attempts to escape their wrath I decided PVP servers aren't for me.

I prefer PVE servers, simply because I don't want to have to look over my shoulder all the time and I like to have some measure of control over encounters such as the one described above.

[Antiochous]

i think you didnt realy read past the first paragraph of my last post...

Actually, I read your whole post. And I responded to it in an indirect way so as not to embarrass you and your faulty argument but if you insist. You are arguing that I should accept it because I choose to be on a pvp server. Should I also accept that if I get shot at a Seven Eleven it is my fault because I choose to go there? I it my fault that someone ran into me because I choose to drive on the road? Yea, that is crazy. Just as crazy as you saying that it is the persons fault for getting ganked by high lvl idiots because he is on a pvp server.

Most people would accept that being on a pvp server means that you want to be able to fight with the other side. And most people would accept that what that is supposed to mean is that you battle people your lvl. Sure you are going to get ganked and it sucks but I don’t see anything wrong with pointing out that getting ganked by high lvl players is not the reason someone plays a pvp server. Blizzard has stated many times that the only reason they have not instituted a penalty for high lvl players killing players many lvls below them is that they cannot figure out a system that would be fair in raiding. I think that makes it pretty clear that the whole "you are on a pvp server noob, accept it" is just not a valid argument. Just because they have not figured out a way to stop it yet does not mean that it is not wrong and does not mean that players on a pvp server should take a passive stance towards these actions.

Anti

[Shunkou]

I agree that having penalties are surely needed. Not because I'm also a lowbie, or maybe some would want to shout right at my face, a Nub/NOOB.

I assure that even if I'm lv 60 one day, I'll never gank or smash someone grey to me.

Reason? I'm a carebear, someone unskilled in PvP :whistle:
Ok, note the word PvP. Player VERSUS player.

How is it "vesus" when someone you can't even touch fights with you?
I KNOW this is PvP server, but I think we need some control over these unhappy ganking and unfair killing since the launch of the game.

How'll people level to 60 if ganking / killing are happening every single place?
I guess most would be stuck at 3x since they'll be at STV most probably.
Then we'll say sorry to Blizzard since more people will be quitting by then.

Imagine you are outside, some stronger people come right at your face and punch you at your face, and says "Welcome to this world, KID!!"

I believed [law and order] is needed even in games.
In reality, alot of people are taking advantage of World Wide Web (www) to whine, venting their frustrations etc. Why? Because there's no law in internet. Nobody controls the internet. We control everything ourselves in the World Wide Web.
Who is afraid of being brought to the police station when you insult someone online and flood his/her inbox with "learn2play nub!" ??
This is happening in games now. Ability to insult and bully others online while being annoymous.

Games are meant to be enjoyed.

Just my 2 cents.. (if there's any errors in my english let me know =) )

[Erok]

No offense to anyone, but if you want to play on a PvP server, you will have to accept that you ARE going to get ganked. Its like the wild west. Thats one reason I CHOSE a PvE. If I want to PvP, Ill join a raid or type /pvp.

So you want to fight people more your level? What if your engaged in a nasty fight with a NPC, and someone roughly your lev, finishes you off, is that OK?

I doubt Bliz will lose much business due to unsatisfaction with a PvP server.. If you don't like it, you the individual can change it by switching to PvE

[Baboon]

If you want to enjoy a pvp server, you need a little different aproach. At first, I was always looking around me for possible enemies. That's not very useful, because when you're ganked, it's mostly either a higher level or a group and you can do much anyway. So, just do your quest and react to what happens. And if someone attacks you and you kill him, that's priceless.

It's a bit like Quake and Unreal. Running, running, BAM, dead, running, running etc. Just a different way of thinking. If you keep getting ganked, you're probably in STV or Tanaris, move along, there are a lot of places where you hardly meet anyone. Sometimes you will spend an entire evening without being attacked.

[Atoz]

Ok, you like a PvP server but not the ganking... move to a low pop PvP server. What all your friends are on the server you are on now? Have you friends come over to protect you. Heres another radical idea.... switch to allience side and join the ganking. There are many options availble, if you like where your at then you'll just have to learn to work around it.

now that you vented, go back and kill that low level allience that strayed too far from the pack.

[xyle]

I don't mean for this to sound like a flame, but rather an expression of my displeasure with this thread.

For one thing, yes I do agree with the people saying this is a PvP server and getting ganked is a part of it. Seriously, if you ganking is so bothersome, then why stay on a PvP server? I know a lot of people like the PvP action, but if the drawbacks outweigh the benefits, why stay? Again, I'm not saying "lolz nub omg go roll PvE", but I know that if at some point of my lowbie life I had gotten ganked to the point of not being able to quest anymore, I would have switched to PvE without thinking twice. If TM is a heavily ganked area on your server, why stay there? I had the same thing when my NE Rogue when I hit level 20-ish and tried to quest in Ashenvale - I very quickly realized it was constanly being raided by high level Horde, so I got on the first boat to Menethil Harbor and never looked back.

As for what to do when you get ganked - You can either res and try to carry on what you were doing, or find a different zone to quest in. There are zones for every level which are practically deserted - I play on a completely overpopulated server and I hardly see a soul when questing in places like Feralas, 1k Needles and Winterspring. If you're being camped badly and you can't res, ask for help from high level guildies or just in general chat, and 95% of the time someone will come to the rescue. Yes, I've done this many times and it actually works. Even if there isn't a level 60 around, lowbies are usually willing to group together and kill a ganker. If all else fails, go watch TV for 10 minutes, make a sandwich or just play an alt. The ganker/camper will move on eventually.

And finally, I find all this Alliance stereotyping very disturbing and it's one of the major reasons I stopped frequenting this forum, and YES, moved to the official forums. I'm not going to say that Alliance don't gank alot, because they do, but saying things like "I play Horde and we just don't do things like that" is utterly ridiculous. Trust me, Horde do things like that all the time. I've ran across many shameless Hordes who have ganked me for hours. I've had level 60 Hordes chase me half the way across STV when I was level 30, UD Rogues 1-shotting me with an ambush, Epic mounted and equipped Horde turning around to chase me down to kill me when I was grey to them, and so many more lovely stories. Was it annoying? Slightly, but I moved on.

Now I have a level 60 char and another one well on its way, and no, I don't gank. Yes, believe it or not, an Alliance that doesn't gank! Although, I still get mauled by the occasional group of 5-6 Hordes who decide to gang up again a lonely Alliance, but such is life on a PvP server.

[deathgrasp]

well, both sides are ganking. if you want to stay away from ganks, stay away from those following zones as general(unless its in the morning or late in the night): Tanaris, both factions will prolly kill you on sight, but the furthest you are from gadgazstan(sry typos) the less likely youll be ganked. note that current zone i know with high likeability to get ganked are the pirates and humans to the east as they are for both alli and horde quests.
STV: whole STV is a gankplace. the most camped place is the hunters camp near the river. best questing in groups, you might have a chance if a high level comes.
southshore/TM: hate the place. gankzone. stay away as general, dunno about extremly dangerous zones.
silithus: though i am not sure its a ganking place yet, it will probebly will be, as there are some great recipes there. the twilight camps to the west are more likeable to get ganked in.
also EPL and WPL(eastern and western plaguelands): tyrs hand in EPL, and chillwind camp in WPL and light hope chapel in EPL are the main ganking zones.

i myself try not to gank, this does not count the 2 followings: groups of enemys(hey, i made 5 kills in 2 seconds. neat) and rogues. i HATE rogues(dosnt matter if alli or horde). and yes, i got many rogue friends and i still hate rogues.
o yeah also shamans get a pain in the arse(im a priest :surprise: )

[Cylloch]

finally made it to badlands last night on my lock, and i was scared out my mind that it would be a gankfest like stv, seeing as the mobs in both areas are around the same levels.

i was stupified.

out of the maybe 15-20 alliance i saw during the few hours i was questing there, not ONE ganked me. all being 5-10 levels higher then me, they would /wave, /dance, or /hi me. i was grinding the rock elementals, with two groups of alliance there also, a mage/warlock and priest/hunter combo, and no problems at all. (well, the mage growled at me a few times, but nothing else)

i dont know if maybe people are more mature at 40+, or just that its tougher to level and they wanna get their **** done, but it was nice.

[In Flames]

OK, I've been playing WoW like a mad-man for about the last 10 months. I have characters of both factions, of all levels, on PvE (Player vesus Environment) servers and PvP (Player versus Player) servers. Here are some Observations and Opinions based on my experiences.

1) PvE servers - If you play on these, you are relatively safe from being "ganked", unless you do something stupid. For example, if we are on a PvE server, out in a questing area, and you are a low level character from the other faction, and you come running right past me flagged for PvP; OH BOY! I don't care if I'm 40 levels above you,.....you're asking for it, even begging for it, and you're gonna get it!! I will NEVER turn down an invitation like that! If you don't know, look at your character portrait in the top left corner of the screen, if there is a red Horde symbol, or a blue Alliance shield, you are flagged for PvP. It only takes 5 minutes of non-PvP activity after typing in "/pvp" to become unflagged. Think about it.

2) PvP servers - Here my behavior is a little bit different because of one fundamental rule. IT'S A PVP SERVER !!! That means you are ALWAYS flagged for PvP (unless in a starting area) and EVERYONE else is flagged for PvP. In this case it should not be difficult at all to find an opponent of your level, or very close to your level. On a PvP server, If I'm Lvl 60, decked out in awesome gear, and anything less than Lvl 50 comes running past, I'll let them go. There's no honor in slaughtering baby seals is there? Now, if there are several acting belligerently, that might turn out different!!

3) Soloing - If you are soloing on a PvP server, you are either have a Death Wish or you are supremely confident in your "Skillz". You are going to get jumped by several member of the opposite faction, you are going to be assaulted by a character 20 levels above you, you will be ambushed by 5 characters 5 levels below you. It IS going to happen! Remember SIN! (Safety in Numbers)
Do not forget that the factions are at WAR! Some players take this VERY seriously. If you are soloing on a PvE server, and are not looking for PvP action, ensure you are not flagged before heading out. You never know when you are going to run into someone like me :happy34:

4) Battlegrounds - Lets talk for a minute about Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin, and Alterac Valley. You want HK's? Of course you do! Keep these things in mind. The more damage you do to a player, the more honor you will get for the kill. The more your group outnumbers the other group, the faster you can kill them. Tactics and Teamwork ARE necessary for success. Winning the game yields more honor than amassing a huge number of HK's. BE A TEAM PLAYER! And last but not least, don't go off on your own (even if you are a rogue) beacause eventually you will get caught, run down, ambushed and slaughtered. After complaining a lot about getting "ganked" by 3-5 players of the opposing faction, whose skills were not that great, in the battlegrouds one night, my 11 year old; who was watching me play; said "Why don't you just team up with your own people like they are doing instead of running around by yourself all the time?" Hmmmm; From the mouths of babes.....

5) Corpse Camping - Why? It's a part of the game. That's why. How do i get around it? Simple, if you are camping me, I will log off that char, and go play an alt for 30 minutes of so. I do not think anyone HATES me enough to camp me for a half hour. Secondly....release, and rez at the graveyard. It sucks, and it's expensive if you do it too much, but it IS another option to being repeatedly slaughtered!

To sum up. This has been a collection of my thoughts, opinions and experiences and as such are not "The Truth" or anything other than "What I think". If it helps you, GREAT! If you disagree, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts, opinions, and experiences, and maybe I'll learn something! Until then.....

HAPPY HUNTING !!

[Agrimus]

Uh, this IS a "Role Playing" game. That means you can pretty much do whatever the heck you want. If role playing a jerk is fun for you, then you have the right to do that - you paid your money.

There aren't rules here people - the factions are at war. Just because you don't like the play style of someone doesn't mean it is wrong. If you are getting ganked you have three options: 1 - take it. 2 - call for help from guildmates, friends, or in chat. 3 - go somewhere else in this huge world

PS - Nobody likes a complainer

[Temarie]

If I was a troll, I would say that you have been pvp'ed on a pvp server :whistle:

Ganking is a part of a pvp server. Corpse camping also. For me, when it's red, it's dead. Lvl 20 or 60. If you choose a PvP realm, you must assume that you will be ganked, camped, spit, rude, etc.. If you can rez, play on another char! If you can't live with that, PvP realm are not for you.

I try to be nice with lowbie :) When I see one, I /wave, dismount and /dance.. If he wave back or dance.. He's safe :) But if he prefer to run.. Sorry, he's dead:happy65:

[deathgrasp]

If I was a troll, I would say that you have been pvp'ed on a pvp server :whistle:

Ganking is a part of a pvp server. Corpse camping also. For me, when it's red, it's dead. Lvl 20 or 60. If you choose a PvP realm, you must assume that you will be ganked, camped, spit, rude, etc.. If you can rez, play on another char! If you can't live with that, PvP realm are not for you.

I try to be nice with lowbie :) When I see one, I /wave, dismount and /dance.. If he wave back or dance.. He's safe :) But if he prefer to run.. Sorry, he's dead:happy65:


naw, heared a better one to do. go to the lowbie, unmount and do /silly. if he dosnt do /lol /laugh /rofl etc on you... oh well, he is dead.

[Raistlin Majere]

If you think that's bad, don't bother going to STV.

[D.K.night]

These are exactly the reasons why I went PvE from the very start.

I want to have fun questing, not getting endlessly ganked every minute on the hour.

[Stormfierce]

Players that gank and camp for low levels are just newbies that don't have anything to do in the game that they are capable of doing right... just ignore them and think that it's an open war horde vs alliance. I personally chose an RP server but not because of ganking (got used to it and used to fight back and had some nice duels against players of my same level :D) but because of the many lame ppl that exist on PvP servers and there are many that don't seem to take the game seriously (eg: freakish names, mass spam, insults, not helping others, no knowledge of the warcraft lore etc...)

But don't forget to pray for those that gank you, they neeed it, so maybe they can get a life :happy05:

[Shunkou]

Well, just to leave some comments early in the morning (for me that is :happy34: )

As alot of you said, PvE would be a better choice if you don't like getting ganked 5 times every hour. PvP is at war and such.

Yes I agree, by going PvP you're going to accept ganking and such.
But it has gotten out of control.

I've never lost to a player of the opposite faction more than 5 times, whether did I escape or hide like a dog, of the same level or +2/-2.

Why? I learnt how to survive out there. Saw someone coming to gank you? Vanish, sprint, blind, evasion, stealth. I tried all means to get away if the odds are against me.

What I'm trying to say is, if I gank someone of the same level range, I accept defeat if he/she defeats me. Nothing to be angry about.
Example, I sneak upon a UD Priest yesterday in STV. I made a mistake on my timing and lost my stunlock. I was feared and in the end I still managed to escape away from him.

That, I've nothing to say. I am weaker than him. Mind you, it's not a 2-3 hit crit situation for me even if he's a cloth wearer. I did CS and 2 SS and he's still left with 1/3 of his life.
Rogues can't do that kinda insane crit and damage at lv 3x .. don't flame me for this .. since alot of people say rogues owned at pre-60 .

But what happens next? He got 2 lv60 druid and lv60 shaman scouting the area.

I got killed countless times yesterday in STV solely by lv60s. I mean all the 60s here .. does it gives you a satisfaction by killing someone about 30 levels below you?? Does it make you looked cool? I doubt it.. Is it that fun to 1 hit ok others? I mean .. fight someone of your own size ..

About alliance and horde ganking issue, being an alliance, I believed that in my server, Hordes are doing the ganking .. and lots of it. Lowbie ganking .. this is stuff purely for Horde in my server ..
For alliance side, players often check around in chat to see if anyone is having troubles with Horde. Usually if the horde doesn't annoy us or give us any trouble, we never report them or get some lv60s to kill him.
But for Hordes, they're everywhere in the game whacking lowbie alliance ..
Does it make you proud to kill a rogue with an anti rogue character (Orcs racial/Hunters/Warriors) and having 20lvs higher? :scratch:

[Steerpike]

About alliance and horde ganking issue, being an alliance, I believed that in my server, Hordes are doing the ganking .. and lots of it. Lowbie ganking .. this is stuff purely for Horde in my server ..
For alliance side, players often check around in chat to see if anyone is having troubles with Horde. Usually if the horde doesn't annoy us or give us any trouble, we never report them or get some lv60s to kill him.
But for Hordes, they're everywhere in the game whacking lowbie alliance ..
Does it make you proud to kill a rogue with an anti rogue character (Orcs racial/Hunters/Warriors) and having 20lvs higher? :scratch:

A little experiment for you. Roll up a Horde alt and see how long it takes for you to change your mind. There are idiots in both factions. I play both and there is not as much difference as people who play only one faction think.

[Racenth]

ok 1st of all i wasnt knocking PVP or getting my arse handed to me. I openly enjoy a fight even with somone 8 or 9 levels higher then me. Ill fight them and die and have fun. There is a major difference from that a a full group of all ?? people pilalging a area loaded with quests non stop. ODDLY since i posted this its all but stopped. hhhhhmmmm

As for thoose lvl 22-mid 30's alli that frequent the area most wave or line up and stand off , even the rouges kinda like challange ya then fight. Super respectful in my book. I love playing with them and sharing the area. I would say 99% of the times ive died in PVP INCLUDING the BG's was in tarren mills while being jumped by 2 or 3 bears , spiders or mountain lions and having 4 or 5 level?? come up and kill me.

There is one Really kinda cool ?? out there that has run over and killed off the beasts , let me heal then killed me. Atleast it wasnt a back stab more of a Leave this place message.

I was super pissed off the other night and by no means to I feel the alliance as a group is this way.

[Faithless]

I have not read any Blizz quotes that said they would stop this type of ganking if they could. I have read Blizz comments asking people who complain about ganking how they would solve it (as you discussed), but your claim that they would solve it if they could requires some proof.

If they wanted to make this behavior illegal, they could deem it harassment. They have explicitly decided not to do that. For reference, read the text that accompanies the "Physical harassment" option of the GM page screen.

I have no opinion one way or the other about this behavior. Can't imagine spending my whole day harassing players 30 levels below me, but I think the idea of the game is that your side needs to defend its lower levels or suffer the consequences, and I have no problem at all with that. Additionally, you have the extremely easy option of PLAYING SOMEWHERE ELSE. I, playing as horde on a pvp server, have found places where Alliance doesn't hunt us. I'm sure these areas exist for Alliance as well. You don't have to play in the area around Tarren Mill. If you choose to do so in the face of opposition, that is your choice. As discussed earlier, having alts that are in other parts of the world would also solve your problem.

[builder]

I only operate in self defence. But if I do get ganked I do get my revenge. Even if it means using retaliation...I get my revenge.

Taurren Mill is a pain in the arse to quest because of the close proximity of the two sides...I just take care. Lucky for me now i'm at a lvl where people avoid me so it's kinda cool going there. :happy53:

I don't take any pride in killing a lvl 20 or something, but some times they do attack you and 3 shots later they are dead.

As people have said idiots exist on both sides...it's a fact but there are nice horde as well...i've been helped against a mob several times by Horde...and several times i've helped Horde.

Sometimes a wave makes things go better.

[Mindsnare]

i enjoy ganking.
i enjoy watching a lowbie run in fear.
sure, ive been ganked a bunch of times, i dont mind because i go and do the exact same thing back at them :)

[Racenth]

The problem with the higher levels defending the lower levels is that the higher levels are off in their higher level area doing their higher level quests and instances. Tarren mills is a for crap little town with no reason for anyone to go there other getting stuck going there to quest. There are almost no vendors or resources to be gained by going there for any level player other then the quests.an easy fix would be blizzard expanding the front line town. which should be more fortified anyway being its even deamed a hot spot for action by blizzard due to its proximity to allied areas. What army doesnt fortify and expand a base once they have a foot hold. Its great they do patches changing things adding content and giving buffs. They should consider stragtic developement of front line areas since this is common sense tactically. The fields would make and do make an awesome area to do battle but like somone else said about its pretty much like the wild west right now. and oddly alli are left alone going to scarlet monistary and pass by Undercity daily.

[builder]

but like somone else said about its pretty much like the wild west right now. and oddly alli are left alone going to scarlet monistary and pass by Undercity daily.

If only that were so. :whistle:

[cyradis2003]

and oddly alli are left alone going to scarlet monistary and pass by Undercity daily.


*grins* Not on my server ... and not around my friends.

The gang I run with used to run SM until we all passed like 40ish but we would have a great time PVPing in the halls there. We didn't care if you were 28 or ?? we would try to take you down. My best day there I was about 39 and got 28 HK there just while running to the library then library to Armory then to Cath. We took down a ?? dwarf pally about 3 times just because she was always out there.

I have been ganked many times - as long as they move on afterward I don't really mind ... it is the camping that bugs me.

[Racenth]

builder are u on destromath? I see alliance passing the front of UC atleast 10-15 times during a night of gaming and heading in and out of there. Even while guys are dueling outfront and they dont get jumped. Infact several times in the last week ive seen alli and horde circled up around an alli horde duel then leatting healers rez the looser

[mesonm]

What army doesnt fortify and expand a base once they have a foot hold.

You are the army...grab some friends and fortify to your hearts content...heh

TM annoys me...But, now that I have a 60 mage, I have plenty of fun pvp'ng there against alli that stray by...

Not sure why this bothers you...TM is only a quick stop in a long journey...

[mesonm]

...and oddly alli are left alone going to scarlet monistary and pass by Undercity daily.

Heh...On my server, horde lvl 50+ regularly go to SM and hang out, mostly for the pvp action...

Rarely is an alli allowed to remain alive...

fun stuff!!

[deathgrasp]

blizzard made enough areas for everyone to to be able to train, even if 1 area is camped. even if 1 area is camped, you have no problem going to grind somwhere else. about every level (zones of 31-40 41-50 etc) has a zone that is ganked by the other side. if anyone need ideas of where to train PM me, ill be happy to answer.

[builder]

builder are u on destromath? I see alliance passing the front of UC atleast 10-15 times during a night of gaming and heading in and out of there. Even while guys are dueling outfront and they dont get jumped. Infact several times in the last week ive seen alli and horde circled up around an alli horde duel then leatting healers rez the looser

I'm not on that server, perhap you serer has better quality Horde :winky47:

I went there about 5 time and 4 times we had to fight our way through...the other time we all had mounts and saw the problem early so we could sneak past.

Do i mind not really, i's nice to just quest, but if you are going into a Horde area you should expect to be attacked. made that long dull trip more interesting.

[Big Poppa OG]

l2growup bro. We are playing a game where elves shoot fire out of their hands. You need to learn to not it so seriously, because its just a game. In addition, Hillsbrad is a high PvP area anyways, just like STV (just not as severe). So just chill out man. There are other places you can level. If you are just going to whine about getting killed, then leave the pvp server because you obviously can't handle it.

I am new to this site. I'm in a hotel at the moment, getting ready to go to MEPS to do some army stuff. I am looking forward to posting on this site regularly and becoming an avid member.

Good luck to everyone.

[CosmicGrooves]

The Alliance ARE the police! Those stinking horde! They're monsters and the world must be cleansed of them.

[Mincemaker]

If you are getting ganked repeatedly in Tarren Mill, I suggest you change place to Ashenvale, which is a lot tamer. I used to do that because I myself was sick of getting ganked in Hillsbrad with no way to retaliate. And the camping is the worst.

I don't see the point killing lowbies. No honor points, nothing to be gained. I won't touch anyone who doesn't grant me any rewards of any form, unless the Alliance are real close to Horde territory, or they were attacking another Horde right before my eyes, or they decide to attack me first, which I would happily respond by camping them for 15 minutes before moving on.

[Rotwing]

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Dude yeah, all this ganking on PvP servers has got to stop! It's totally unfair and I can't believe Blizzard hasn't fixed it yet. It would be so easy to get things under control too I can't believe how stupid they are and that they still allow this to happen.

All they need to do is implement some kind of flag system that like.. um.. keeps track of whether they've engaged in PvP combat within the last 5 minutes or something. Oh yeah and maybe giving people an option to turn it on manually would be nice too, yeah.

Oh and I guess they could leave half of the servers the way they are for people who like it to be just all out PvP all the time and then just let people decide which type they want to play on. Yeah! Man I'm so smart and Blizzard is so stupid I can't believe they haven't thought of that yet. It's so simple.

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Don't like the concept of PvP servers? Don't ****ing play on one.

Someone made an analogy of walking into a Seven Eleven and being shot and how that needs to be controlled. That analogy is flawed.

Try more something along the lines of being given the choice to either live in a world where everyone is vulnerable at all times or living in a parallel universe where everything is the same, except everyone is completely immune to any type of harm no matter where they go unless they show aggression first or decide to allow harm to happen to them. And then complaining after they chose to be vulnerable.

[braninho]

To all whiners play on a pve server.

First off gankin is great I love it the twist the turns the hate that comes with it.

Yes I have been ganked a million times play horde now and tarren mill is really hard to quest in but I have some great storys, and experiences from there.

When i hit 60 with my alt me and my friends are going to start a guild just killing alliance we will take over duskwood for days stranglethornvale southshore so people won´t be able to quest in those areas we will create war ;)

I love when a ?? chases you for a long time you meet up with a group of horde who are 60 and they kill the pathetic chaser, or like yesterday in tanaris a paladin attack me i have no half health and no mana i sheep him get on mount.

He starts to chase me with his mount from waste bandits to the shore my mana is full and also health i dismount and pwn him now that´s is beatiful later that night i see him in gadgetzan and he hugs me waves and so on i challenge him to come out he starts too follow but runs back in now thats what´s great about pvp.

Not playing in bg i wan´t world pvp i wan´t to take over stormwind i wan´t to sleep in the keep i wan´t to set fire on the keep in the elwynn forrest that my friends would be great!