how do YOU fight in battlegrounds

[pikmin]

just curious to see how other people fight

[kcma]

*swing*

*zoom*

*BAM*

that's how i fighit. u?

[Steamboat]

I wish I could say something fancy and useful and tactically masterful. Instead I'm going to be honest.

When I do Arathi, I choose one of two basic goals for myself...either get as many HK's as possible, or get as much honor as possible. There is a difference.

I tell the people in my party that we'll be better off if we stick together. I tell them not to go off solo. I tell them I don't care who the leader is, whether we capture resources or defend them, just stick together.

Immediately, my party disperses in 4 different directions. I pick one and follow them, a melee class if I can. If I'm going for HK's that day, I go tabbing like crazy casting DoTs on every red thing I can find. In fact I hardly do anything else, just try to follow one ally and DoT every freakin thing in site. Of course if we find someone alone I'll use the nukes, otherwise it's only DoTs. You get a lot of HK's this way, because if someone dies and you damaged them, you get an HK. You just don't get as much honor because your honor is based on how much damage you did to them. Imo this helps your team as well, because even if you die you have severely weakened the other team. Even if they have the ability to purge off your dots, they waste time and mana to do it.

If I'm going for honor, I use the same principle of trying to stay with my group or just following one of them, but I completely ignore dots and I mostly Shadowbolt, Shadowburn, Death Coil, and Fear. I fear everyone. They really hate that. I might throw some drain life in there if I see an enemy occupied with someone else, but I don't have fel concentration and it's a huge waste of mana if it gets interrupted.

I never run away from the enemy, I think that's an important rule.

Lately I've been experimenting with saccing my VW or Felhunter for the mana or health restoral buff. It's nice to have but a huge shard waste since you die so much. Plus I don't have SL that way.

[kcma]

DOTing everyone actually adds up to ALOT of dps... that's the only time i say DOT is better than DD nuking.

[donlegacy]

In AB, if your trying to win and your playing with organized groups.

You do not want to dot everything. Its a waste of mana, and harmful to the group. In AB its very important to crowd control, and with dots on you screw the mages who are sheeping and warlocks that are seducing. Dotting the casters, i suppose would be okay, thats upto your group strategy. You certainly dont puta ll the dots on if 4-5 guys are attacking the same target, because the dots wont even tick before the guy is dead.

Idealy, in AB, or in any BG, you want to focus fire, and focus firing means you dont put all your dots because it'll die too quick. Stick with your DDs and maybe immolate, or just spam a SBurn if your focus firing.

In PuGs, its do whatever you want.

[Steamboat]

I agree about CC. I never dot someone who is already sheeped, sapped, or seduced. However, I've never done AB with an organized group either.

[kcma]

AB is the only BG? dot everyone in AV is a brilliant strat. and not to dot someone seduce or sheeped is common sense i thought :)

[Bokar]

My warlock hasn't been in AB, because he was in low 50's when AB came out, he's 59 now, and 50's don't get to play AB.. Also, I've been offline since Xmas with a bad PC..

But in WG, fear, curses, and instant Corruption are good choices. Hit flag runners with Fear, they hate it, and more teammates can show up while they're trying to get back under control. Death Coil if someone is wailing on you, take the health right back.

[destroythemonkey]

In WSG I always play defense. I find lock's aren't the greatest in going for the glory and running with a flag. Not that we're bad, there are justo ther classes that are better. Anyhoo, I usually stay by the entrance of the tunnel, usually hidden behind a wall or by the speed buff. This usually lets me get off a few quick shots before people realize where I am. (I usually start with SP because it leaves no trail, so they have to find me and it also keeps them from knowing what casting class I am for awhile once I'm found. People have different strategies against different classes, and the longer you think I'm a mage, the better off I am. I lack Insta corrupt (Demon/Destruct specc'd) and life siphon so I generally just forgo dots. Occasionally I'll use CoT against a priest, and CoA when I wanna do some mass damage, but for the most part won't. One thing I found to be amazingly helpful is teaming up with a Warrior and the minute I see a caster I cast CoR. It's just amazing watching them tear apart a mage with 500 armor. Yeah, I realize mages can remove curses, but they usually have more important things to be worried about, and since it's not doing damage to them they don't really notice it's on them. As for pet I usually keep the succy simply because I get 10% more damage and I can stop runners dead in their tracks. I used to fear... but it only made them run forward faster... which is not a good thing.

In AB I just go around and cause mass panic. I run into a group and CoA everything and then HoT. While they're all running around I target a caster and I do as much burst damage as I can to get rid of them since they usually have the lowest HP (I usually go for Priests). My main goal in AB though is to make myself look like a big threat. My computer isn't the greatest in the world and sometimes I get horrible lag spikes which really screws me over when I'm going toe to toe against people, so instead I just make myself a target and become a human meatshield while the rest of my group takes them out (I group with a buncha people regularly so we've got it down to an art). For pet I bring either VW or the Felhunter. Either way it's about as absorbing as much damage as I can. Granted this doesn't seem like the best strategy in the world, but if I'm going to spend half the fight standing still, I might as well be standing still while every else thinks I'm a threat (because to them I'm not standing still, I'm plotting!) About 40% of the time too I don't die. Which, if you think about it (taking shots from 4+ people) that's not too shabby. The thing about AB though is that you always have to change your strategy at each node, cause it's not like I'm going to suck up damage if there's only 2 people there. Hell, I'll just kill 'em. Unless they're a hunter.

As for AV, I have yet to go into it. I just don't know what to expect, so I figure the first time I go, I'd better pimp myself out in epics or something, so even if I'm lost or something I still look like I could handle myself.

In TM or XR (which on a bad day look like a BG) I just hang back and pluck away at people, since I'm usually hiding behind fortified walls. Mostly just SB away. I use the imp there, so I have a pet back with me.

I'm not the smartest pvper around =P

[Ron_Lugge]

My warlock hasn't been in AB, because he was in low 50's when AB came out, he's 59 now, and 50's don't get to play AB.. Also, I've been offline since Xmas with a bad PC..

I thought below 50s could enter AB...? In fact, I remember a 58 hunter friend of mine going there...

[Hrungnir]

Most of the time, my role in BG is crowd control. A warlock can keep up to 7-8 people busy at once. Do so! Howl of Terror whenever the group at large seems focussed on someone else (never when it's focussed on your, or you'll never get the spell off). Fear their priest. Seduce someone else. Or just send a felhunter at that mage/healer in the back and stick CoT on them. See how much use they are in the fight. Only when I've temporarily taken as many people out of the fight as I can (turning a 5 on 5 match into a 5 on 2 or 3 fight) do I pick someone who's either being attacked by someone else or who is beating up on someone (ie, the rogue kicking a mage's ass) and death coil, shadow bolt, shadow burn them to death's door.

A lot of your style, though, depends on your build and gear. If you've got the massive +damage build, go for the seduce CoS one-shot kill. I don't have that sort of gear yet, so I try to work on keeping control of the battle and doing damage at key point instead of just picking someone in the opposing group and taking them out immediately.

[kcma]

i think howl of terror kindda sucks... priest and warrior both hvae better aoe CC. that and i think aoe fear = dead lock.

[Bokar]

I thought below 50s could enter AB...? In fact, I remember a 58 hunter friend of mine going there...

My troll shaman got into AB exactly twice when he was about 55, two in quick succession. The rest of the time, and every time for my warlock and rogue in their 50's, I could wait in the queue for 4, 6, 8 hours or more without any match starting. Just not enough people trying to get in at that level range, and I gave up myself after a while.

[DJammyRasta]

soulfire conflag .... 2 - 5k damage.... if u can coe,immolate,soulfire someone while they are busy looking somewhere else even if they survive they wont be in much of a state to be much of a challenge

[Qwertius]

i think howl of terror kindda sucks... priest and warrior both hvae better aoe CC. that and i think aoe fear = dead lock.


theirs might better but ours is still very good


I use it all the time in AV and AB.. In AB you can really screw up a group in a 5 against 5 fight which often happens at a flag


in AV HoT is essencial in capping flags and bunkers. I can solo a undefended flag (defended by 4-5 npc) due to HoT. (send in Voidwalker he grabs agro , HoT they flee when they return they get on Void first , at that stage I have capped the flag) in bunkers my HoT is often essential to capping.. my 6k hitpoints make I am actually alive in the bunker.. I will die shortly after but a final HoT often gives a rogue or warrior enough time to cap.

after we capped HoT is very good at making potential recappers run away.

of course priest can do the same but us warlocks don't have to heal and we have more hitpoints. ALL are needed

[Happywolf]

In WSG I prefer to guard the flag. Locks are just naturally great defenders with there deathcoil, fears and felhunter for paranoia. Its really hard for a good rogue or druid to make off with the flag unless you get attacked before you have a chance to attack whoever is trying to grab the flag.

In AV its really a mass zergfest. My Lock is destruction spec'd so I focus on killing one target at a time. If there is a big group trying to tap our flag then I'll use my AoE's to buy time for help to arrive. AV can be fun in its own way and the rep is the easiest to get. But its not my favorite type of pvp.

In AB a destruction Lock is best at attacking, either to take a flag or to protect one of your own. SL builds are more flexible. They can be a good attacker or defender. But SL builds don't have the fast killing ability of a destruction Lock. I use the Succubus as my main form of CC. And I go thru a ton of shards resummoning pets and casting Soulfires. To me this is the funnest type of pvp since I see a lot of 1 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2 and even 1 vs. 3. Its great practice at pvp and you really learn how to fight every class. Unfortunately on my server the horde looses all the time so its very annoying. But I've reached exalted so I only go in there with friends and guildmates just to have some fun.

In BG's I don't use Soulstones and usually don't use a healthstone due to the high shardcost of BG's. I only use combat pots occasionally and use some BG bandages and foods. Conversely in random world pvp when I'm riding around I have an SS, healthstones, major healpots and bandages. One of the reasons I don't care to duel is its not good practice due to the fact that I'm not going all out and opponents have all the time in the world to get ready. A great example is a shaman who will toss down 2 or 3 totems before the duel actually begins.

[Metatron]

How do I fight in battlegrounds? I guess badly would be the answer :-D It's all a learning curve you know!

[GenXCub]

I play in the 30-39 WSG. I use a felhunter, and my favorite prey is a Paladin. They get all 4 DoT's (so they'll be forced to cleanse), and then their mana gets drained (thinking about taking improved mana drain talent instead of the improved drain life).

I try to focus on 1v1 fights. If there's a group of alliance attacking, and 1 is a priest, Bruufun goes after them, and I'll take on whoever is left. Since Paranoia isn't available till after level 40, the 30-39 WSG doesn't help as much being on D, I'm best as midfield support.

I'm also a bit moody, sometimes I'll want to put Siphon life on everyone I see so I can life tap for awhile, or maybe I'll corrupt everyone so I can get a nightfall proc every 3 seconds or so. There's so many good strategies that it makes WSG very fun for warlocks. playing my hunter or warrior in there seems much more limited in scope.

[det]

No special tactics here. If I chance to get into one of our fixed teams, jobs get assigned and we are told what flag to take. In a PuG it is "last takes farm"..and with Carrot, spurs and riding enchant I am usually first at flag of BS...so the first Ally to dismount gets feared.

I will fear healers, DoT others and try to avoid hunters attentions. Tab for players with low health and Shadowburn them while getting Siphon life going...as I will start tapping myself sooner or later.

Shadowbolts on Nightfall or if I get the opportunity to stand still. But I am happy to take flag duty when necessary as well, though like many others I enjoy being with the mobile assisst team :)

I also use healthstones seldomly and also mostly the imp as Succubus tends to despawn after a death and I rezz with Imp anyhow.

To add a bit here: there is a warlock in our Horde Dream Team who must perform amazing things....at least my Ally friend on Horde side told me so. That lock could take stables against 2 Paladins. Killed one in seconds and kept the other feared and seduced long enough to tag the flag. Now you all may say "Bah..that is easy", but I certainly cannot even keep a single opponenet feared or seduced long enough. They always seem to have a means to break the spells or those spells never last as long as the flag tagging processbar runs.

[DJammyRasta]

i dont think my fear has ever lasted more than 4 seconds anyway... obviously immolate and my imp shooting them doesn't help the cause but still :D

right now i consider myself an anti ranged warlock .... and nice immolate, soulfire, conflagrate can take down a mage/priest/hunter in a few seconds ... if u hang back for a few seconds at the start of the fight they will be attacking someone else... and if u can get half way through the soulfire before they notice u they dont stand a chance :)

works nice on rogues aswell... if u fear them, cast immolate... then deathcoil them (fear and dc can be swapped around if u start the fight stunned)... cast soulfire .... and then again conflag while the soulfire is airborn they will drop and be very "omg wtf nerf warlocks!!" (like all 10yr old rogues do)

[Afballz]

I've just got my CoX up to speed so I tend to tab through DoTing everyone that's already being attacked/running away while applying CoT to casters and CoX to melee.

I love the Nightfall Jump and spin shot at ppl that are chasing you. They tend to panic then and turn and try to run.

And yeah Fear and CoT on annoying casters (esp priests) or ppl wailing on our squishies, banish all the demons I see, fear pets seduce + kill the hunter or seduce the hunter kill the pet if they bug you or it's a long game etc.

I know I'm not Mr. SingleTargetDamageDealer but I'm always amazed at how long it takes ppl to realise that that Warlock running round the outside of the battle is destroying their well laid plans.

Mind you there are a couple of Alliance guilds that have me on the KoS list.
What can I say...I am a pain.

Invis Pot + Invis Succy. Warlock stealth ftw.

[Kaluss]

nice idea thier afballz, it seems that your strategy can really make an impact on the way things go,

just a critique, on my server i get targeted let a b***, any rogues on the field come for me 1st a foremost, hunters love to piss me off with their pets and concussions, i guess it makes u a better player in the long run.. all those times i get raped by bieng targeted just makes me better after a while.

im gna give that strat a go, i guess if im hiding around the egdes ans no SB are striking they wont see me as a threat, on the other hand as an alliance i never seem to run in a group, i try to most i get run with is 3ppl sometime, the rest are just killing blow vigilanties, annoying when u see the horde runing tight packs of 5 ppl

[Dead End]

Being the lowly level 26 that I am, I'll probably hear some advice on improving my tactics...but that's what I'm here for. Usually in the WG I get the drop on my target, so it's a quick COA/COT depending on whether they're a caster or not, followed by a near instant Corruption. By the time those two start to do any damage I hit the target with Immolate for a third DoT. Now they've realized that it's me doing the attacking, and at this point a SB is on it's way to 'em. Then another... Succy is using her whip, and the DoTs are still draining away. Before my second SB hits the target is already at half health or less, so I'll shoot once or twice and finish off with Shadowburn. Fights are usually over in about 15 seconds or less at that rate.

[Stigg]

EDIT - I was referred to this page from the home site of worldofwar. I didnt realize it was a lock page, but I'll leave my post here for anybody wondering how a mage does it, and if it helps you defeat my strategy, all the better for you!

As afballz stated, invis. pots ftw.(Mage not a lock tho). Its always hysterical when I sneak up on the flag in WSG, steal it, frost nova, blink, and am out the door. I have gotten reported for using hacks that make me invisible, but I just say I'm an alchemist and the accusations go away. People think only rogues can go invisible. haha.

I never go up the middle. I always stay on the outside and sneak around everybody and get the flag. Sometimes I sit on the roof of the alliance and wait. Usually I only get 1 person finding me at a time, and being a fire specced mage, they are normally a fast drop with enough time to heal and mana up to await the next fool. And if I get seen by a group of them, i will run to the ledge, drink an invis. pot at the edge and sidestep out of the fools way as the whole group jumps off the ledge. I do waste a lot of invis. pots, but thats what they are supposed to be used for right?


If I do decide to go in the middle, I take out the lower level squishies. I can drop most of them in 2 casts, and that relieves some of my warriors ad shamans from getting blasted by unnecessary damage. When they are all cleared out, Ill drop a pyroblast on whoever my warrior is tanking, making it an easy win for him, then move on to the next 1 on 1 battle. Ill also spam polymorph, forcing each of the players to use their Insignia of Alliance(its insignia of the horde for horde, im not sure what it is for alliance). Thats a 5 minute cooldown which means next time i poly them(maybe at a more needed moment) they wont be able to do anything about it.

Stigg

[Nietzsche Uk]

Hmm - well, I have only recently got into BG's. I had a go in my 30's and got very dispirited with it all (half sb = me dead - half sp = me dead and so on) but when I hit 60 I thought I would try AV - holy cow....it is exactly what I thought a pvp war should be like :-) and I managed to find my place in the game too. I have always felt that locks are mortars and mages artillary: shuffle around the side of the battle front and pick off a key target, send fluffy the felhunter off to annoy a caster, aoe when they are daft enough to group up and fear every smelly hunter pet I can see. My latest (and I admit it, the thing I get THE most joy from) is hovering around at the back with a felhunter out and wait for the evil evil evil scummy ally rogues (unlike the horde rogues who are all upstanding fellows with hearts of gold) to stealth by and then imm, dc, sb, conflag - splat. Or just DC them into the guards if they have sneaky beakyed the tower flag (cheating sneaky evil ally rogues - soooo much different to our couragous stealthy fellows (with hearts of gold) who artfully take the ally flags to disrupt the main attack).

So my enthusiasm for pvp has grown - I can be found in the top half of the av score board for KB's and HK's - and sometimes very near the top itself.

Apologies if this if off topic - I forget what the original post was about by the time I got to the end of writing my post.

ps - I have been using my felhunter on Bubbles - it does dispell them doesn't it? hmmm - in the heat of the battle it is hard to tell sometimes.

[kcma]

but do horde rogues come with pink pigtail? i thought not.

[Nietzsche Uk]

Yes they do....tucked in their pockets to hand in to some nice chap at the back who (when he likes you enough) will give you some nice shiny things to aid the collecting of more pink pigtails..

[kcma]

ohhhh gnomes > horde =p we also have auctioneer Lympkin!! what do u have huh?

[Nietzsche Uk]

ohhhh gnomes > horde =p we also have auctioneer Lympkin!! what do u have huh?

Muuhahahahaha we have a plague that will kill you all...kill you all!

and cows...

[Calli]

Must admit, first time I took my Lock into WSG it was a whole different experience from playing with my Mage. Hung around the edges casting DoTs on everything I could see, CoT on all casters, etc.. To begin with I was being pretty much ignored as the Horde focussed on the "glamour" classes first, but by the end of the battle it seemed like I'd managed to make my way to the top of the Kill On Sight List. This was before I'd even remembered where my Fear and HoT buttons were (I kid you not, forgot to use either of them). Very different BG experience, lots of fun too. :)

[Power_Play]

As a Hunter main (and Warlock alt. Mind you ;)) I love grouping with warlocks in BG's. Especially the ones who CC 3-4 people at the same time. If I notice a warlock using CC skills I will follow him to be his second pet (and highest DPS source ;)) because killing targets which don't fight back makes my life a HECK of a lot easier.... This tactic works great on defence... and works wonders on offence. Capped the blacksmith in a 2vs5 situation this way thanks to great CC followed by some lucky crits on my side :D

Any warlock on the OTHER side however is my personal gimp for that game and is KoS every chance I get (even if that means ignoring that bad-ass epic geared shaman pummeling on my priest....) because I've been feared one to many times by them buggers :cry: (this usually ends up with the warlock out of the fight most of the time, either dead or too occupied with trying to get me before I get him. Both are good, for my team)

[One Swordsman]

nice.

Im still a noobie at WoW, my main is a 25 Warrior so i'm still exploring stuff, but in WSG i usually team up with a few other fury/arms warriors (i duel wield myself) and pick off casters just overwhelming them with brute force, its well funny when they try to run, just put hamstring on them and they're sitting ducks.

[EphemeralIntelligence]

If you're fighting casters who try to run anywhere from almost any other class, they're no gauge of how effective you are. I've ended loads of fights now on 20 or 30 hp jsut after that warrior happens to miss his last swing. Running acheives bugger all, unless you're drawing them away from where the really important stuff is happening.

[Dutchgrass]

I also use healthstones seldomly and also mostly the imp as Succubus tends to despawn after a death and I rezz with Imp anyhow.

Summon her once you have zoned into the BG and you will spawn with her 99% of the time after rezzing (excluding bugs). Such a shame to go running around with an Imp in PvP.


ohhhh gnomes > horde =p we also have auctioneer Lympkin!! what do u have huh?

Auctioneer YARLY in Undercity.

[Power_Play]

Auctioneer YARLY in Undercity.
O Rly?
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