WTH is wrong with STV?

[Diesl]

I don't know how it started or even why but it's almost pointless to go quest there. Horde ganking Alliance , Alliance ganking horde. It's a war zone of 60's killing 30's and don't really get it. I was on an alt (37 Shammy) and was going to run to Stonard for flight path with another guildmate (37 Druid). We were there like 3 min into the run and, charge, HS (60 warrior).. OMG you have got to be kidding me... dead . run back rez run about 10 more feet... ambush ?? (60 Rogue). OMFG lol R U freaking kidding me . We run back rez 30 sec later charge, HS, MS dead.. OK now I am pissed at this point. So I log in my very well geared 60 UD warrior and druid logs in better geared 60 Lock and we take the zep down and find the two retards. We killed the warrior and then later found and killed the Rogue. Now we have like 15 level 30 alliance on us and they also had to die. But yet we still were not satisfied so we decided to make the short ride to the closest Alliance town and manage to pick up a 60 hunter and Rogue who had the same two A holes do the same to there alts . Long story short we killed every thing from STV to Darkshire and did not give a crap if it was a level 30 or 60. Went in the town killed everyone with 4 gaurds beating on me. rezzed in the inn killed the 20 nubs hidding there. For like an hour noone got any quest done in darkshire. I love a pvp server and would not play if it was not. But STV is a f-ed up place and lotsa people had a bad night because of 2 retards. So if your on Bloodscalp and you were in Darkshire and were a killed buy 4 ?? that's why. Sorry . I never quest there but I have to run through it to get to Swamp and ended up getting camped anyway...lol Karma

P.S. I felt alot better afterwards =>

[Metatron]

STV... Hillsbrad Foothills... Thats where I have had problems so far. But I have learnt to cope with them quite effictively and have found a tactic that works really really well with these areas.

1. They are no go areas in peak hours. Only play off peak. (0000-0600)
2. If you can't play off peak hours... well... I don't know what you gonna do :P But it's worked a charm for me.

STV is just wrong. Very wrong. But where there's a will there's a way.

[twoswords]

Mate...I have no idea what you mean. Could you clarify a bit?

[Grendo]

I don't know how it started or even why but it's almost pointless to go quest there. Horde ganking Alliance , Alliance ganking horde. It's a war zone of 60's killing 30's and don't really get it. I was on an alt (37 Shammy) and was going to run to Stonard for flight path with another guildmate (37 Druid). We were there like 3 min into the run and, charge, HS (60 warrior).. OMG you have got to be kidding me... dead . run back rez run about 10 more feet... ambush ?? (60 Rogue). OMFG lol R U freaking kidding me . We run back rez 30 sec later charge, HS, MS dead.. OK now I am pissed at this point. So I log in my very well geared 60 UD warrior and druid logs in better geared 60 Lock and we take the zep down and find the two retards. We killed the warrior and then later found and killed the Rogue. Now we have like 15 level 30 alliance on us and they also had to die. But yet we still were not satisfied so we decided to make the short ride to the closest Alliance town and manage to pick up a 60 hunter and Rogue who had the same two A holes do the same to there alts . Long story short we killed every thing from STV to Darkshire and did not give a crap if it was a level 30 or 60. Went in the town killed everyone with 4 gaurds beating on me. rezzed in the inn killed the 20 nubs hidding there. For like an hour noone got any quest done in darkshire. I love a pvp server and would not play if it was not. But STV is a f-ed up place and lotsa people had a bad night because of 2 retards. So if your on Bloodscalp and you were in Darkshire and were a killed buy 4 ?? that's why. Sorry . I never quest there but I have to run through it to get to Swamp and ended up getting camped anyway...lol Karma

P.S. I felt alot better afterwards =>

I find this strangely ironic. How you felt when you got ganked is likely exactly how everyone you ganked felt afterwards too.

PvP is a vicious circle. Ive noticed myself falling into the same. Ive tried being nice, bowing waving to show my intent was not ill, but more often than not random_alliance_noob01 will run away, only to find a higher level friend to help gank me ... but not until Im fighting 1-3 mobs of course.

As such, Ive grown very bitter, and at times find myself doing the same thing I was upset over, thus making those people upset and....well, you get the picture.

Some zones seem much better after about 9pm PST time. I guess thats when all the teenie boppers go to bed.

[mesonm]

I don't know how it started or even why but it's almost pointless to go quest there. Horde ganking Alliance , Alliance ganking horde.

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What I'm hearing is...."dang...on a pvp server, there REALLY IS a place where pvp takes place outside BG..."

Sounds perfectly fine to me.

I was on my 43 priest when two 45 alli came upon me in badlands...killed me...I rezzed and they did it again, just as another 43 came in the area...they killed him...

I told him to wait a sec, that I'd be right back...came back with my 60 mage (ewho is hearthed in kargath)...killed both alli twice...they rezzed a third time and started running...killed em again...

My priest hasn't been bothered there since...heh

[twoswords]

aha, I only got metatrons post on top at first. Seeing Diesls post now as well and it makes a lot more sense. (Cant edit my post again for some reason)

[rakanishu]

What I'm hearing is...."dang...on a pvp server, there REALLY IS a place where pvp takes place outside BG..."

Sounds perfectly fine to me.

I was on my 43 priest when two 45 alli came upon me in badlands...killed me...I rezzed and they did it again, just as another 43 came in the area...they killed him...

I told him to wait a sec, that I'd be right back...came back with my 60 mage (ewho is hearthed in kargath)...killed both alli twice...they rezzed a third time and started running...killed em again...

My priest hasn't been bothered there since...heh

Actually the point he's making is about the griefer gank squads that are out there. Reread the first line in the post about 60's killing 30's. I've long accepted the random encounter gank or be ganked nature of the PvP servers but I still don't see any purpose to going out of your way to grief someone. A 60 who has to dismount to kill a 35 is griefing. Those two alli's camping you is griefing. Why not spend that time in the BG's instead?

[Miykayl]

Her's an obvoius bit of advice, that seems worht mentioning, because, speaking for myself, I often overlook the obvious...

I f you are levleing an alt in SoS or Darkshire or whatever, and are particularly concerned about being ganked, consider logging off your main toon at the nearest Inn (nearest to wear your alt is grinding)...

That way, if you get ganked, you won;t find your self in the predicament of traveling from Feralas to catch up to your alt and beat of the gankers.

If your main is Level 60, you don;t need rest bonus... If your alt is in a very remote area, just log off your main toon in the immediate area you are questing/grinding your Alt.

Now you can get your main to the gankers in maybe 30 to 40 seconds after they drop your alt, perhaps less.

[rakanishu]

Her's an obvoius bit of advice, that seems worht mentioning, because, speaking for myself, I often overlook the obvious...

I f you are levleing an alt in SoS or Darkshire or whatever, and are particularly concerned about being ganked, consider logging off your main toon at the nearest Inn (nearest to wear your alt is grinding)...

That way, if you get ganked, you won;t find your self in the predicament of traveling from Feralas to catch up to your alt and beat of the gankers.

If your main is Level 60, you don;t need rest bonus... If your alt is in a very remote area, just log off your main toon in the immediate area you are questing/grinding your Alt.

Now you can get your main to the gankers in maybe 30 to 40 seconds after they drop your alt, perhaps less.

So obvious that it's Pure Genius! :idea: I seriously never thought of that, lol. Great idea, TY!:thumbsup:

[MeTaLsIck]

lol, I once flew to Freewind Post in Thousand Needles, only to find that as soon as I got there, there were 4-5 45+ alliance actually IN the post killing everything. It was kind of funny. (Except that I died.)

I pst'ed a friend in ogri to tell a bunch of 60's that there was a raid going on IN freewind post (there was noone over lvl 35 there) and about 15 minutes later, 10-15 horde flew up (all lvl 60) and killed them over and over.

Point is, it seems that on my server, high lvl horde help the low levels as much as they can. It's kind of nice. As soon as someone gets ganked, then "/3 lvl ?? ganking at <location>" and you'll see replies of "omw" and "get that ally bastard".

[Xafour]

I myself am playing a first character(lvl 40) on Balnazzar a medium size pvp server. And I haven't been ganked much in STV (I am lvl 40 now). Mostly because there aren't alot of lvl 60's so there are actually fair fights there.
Personally I don't mind being attacked by a person or a group of people who get honour for killing. I also don't get bothered much by lvl 60's dismounting only to kill me. But what I can't stand is lvl 60's waiting around your body for you to resurrect, that just sucks.

[Shunkou]

STV. you've to know that it's the land of ganking .

I've been ganked countless times by 60 hordes, because a lower level (let's say around 30-38) couldn't sucessfully gank and kill me. hence he went to look for a 60 ..

This is the only thing i hate in STV i guess .. weaklings looking for 60s to come when they couldn't kill me ...
another would be 60 dismounting and killing someone half their level ..

Recently, I've not faced much problem though. Maybe because more alliance are there now in my server, so lesser horde dare to come.

For me, whether it's me being gank or i am the one ganking , as long as it's within the yellow/green range, i dont take it to heart since it's downright fair (though sometimes a green may be 7-8 levels below .. so not really fair haha)

I've been ganking alot recently. BUT only within the HK range. I never go around killing greys. And I dont kill the same people more than once, unless they appear right at my face again =.=|||

Some 60s are respectable. I've 3-4 hordes running past me yesterday and did not dismount and whack me. /salute

[Spennce]

I pst'ed a friend

small derail.....you did what? lol

[wildsimian]

I'm new to PVP because I thought I wouldn't like it.

I found out I love it. BG's are great fun. Almost ready for STV but I do realize it's going to be a gank fest. I expect frustration, but knowing the diminishing returns on corpse camping makes me feel a bit better. I love good fights but I hate corpse camping. So basically all they're doing is wasting my time ... but they are wasting their own time as well.

I plan on questing during off hours, like one poster suggested.

I also hope that I can grab a bunch of guildies and all of us do the area quests together. Helps build teamwork for later.

[mugumbo]

PvP there are no rules...

If you're happy to give someone a wave and salute and then run past, you should also be happy to receive an axe to the back of your melon from the same guy.

This "griefing" that people refer to, the ?? camping the lowbies etc, is just a flaw in the system and one that has not been addressed as yet.

There has been threads related to pvp ethics which posters in this thread may be interested in, it talks about how world pvp should take place but at the end of the day world pvp in unscripted and thats why people like it so much.

Surely they can just adapt the flagging system for players such that a Level 30 can be unattackable by a level 41 upwards, but is always fair game to 20-40 players or something like that.

That way, you could easily avoid most unfair fights and stupid ganks and the game would flow nicely. However, if you attack a 60 who is being ganked already or something like that, then your flags are off baby, and everyone and anyone can own you, and they would as they would know the reason you have been flagged =D

What do you all think of something like that?

[wildsimian]

PvP there are no rules...

If you're happy to give someone a wave and salute and then run past, you should also be happy to receive an axe to the back of your melon from the same guy.

This "griefing" that people refer to, the ?? camping the lowbies etc, is just a flaw in the system and one that has not been addressed as yet.

There has been threads related to pvp ethics which posters in this thread may be interested in, it talks about how world pvp should take place but at the end of the day world pvp in unscripted and thats why people like it so much.

Surely they can just adapt the flagging system for players such that a Level 30 can be unattackable by a level 41 upwards, but is always fair game to 20-40 players or something like that.

That way, you could easily avoid most unfair fights and stupid ganks and the game would flow nicely. However, if you attack a 60 who is being ganked already or something like that, then your flags are off baby, and everyone and anyone can own you, and they would as they would know the reason you have been flagged =D

What do you all think of something like that?

I like the idea. There is the adrenaline rush of PVP when you know there may be something you can do to win the fight ... or, if not, a tactic on getting away if you're overpowered. Grievance, to me isn't fun on the giving or the taking side.

I understand people like ganking lowbies mainly because they were ganked so much early on. This would help the situation out.

I like it in the opposite direction with the level 60's as well.

One thing hunters would have to remember is to turn off pet aggressive when leaving the BGs. :embarassed:

[porps]

in answer to the original question of what is wrong with STV : Absoluetly nothing. Its how it should be, i only wish there were more zones with a high concentration of both factions. Warzones! thats what i want and thats what you get in stv. So for me at least, its working as intended.
Of course as a level 60 player STV has lots the majority of its apeal since ganking level 30s-40s doesnt do anything for me, but i sometimes go back there to grind iron ore and if theres people attacking nesingwarys i can be that 'hero 60' who makes the place safe for allies to quest in. I remember when my toon was growing up there, the ganking at nesingwarys had got really bad and horde had been sat there for a good 45minutes. All of a sudden a group of 3 or 4 allied 60s from the Horde Maulers guild tunred up and layed waste, seems one of their lower level players had been griefed and called back up in. Some things like that stick in your mind especially when you're fairly new to the gamer as i was then.

Im currently levelling a warlock alt on balnazaar, i cant wait to get him to a high enough level to go to STV so i can see things from the horde side. maybe gank a few pallies i dunno, im sure it will be fun whatever happens

[thazandril]

It's just a vicious circle that happens over and over again:

- The level 30 decides to train in STV and gets ganked so much he wants to gank them back
- The level 30 has leveled far, and is now 60. He can't find an average group to UBRS and now is bored
- Hey! Let's gank some people! So he goes STV to the camp and corpse camps everyone
- All the lowbies starting there get annoyed with him, and want to do the same when they're level 60....

And so it carrys on.

[Diesl]

It's just a vicious circle that happens over and over again:

- The level 30 decides to train in STV and gets ganked so much he wants to gank them back
- The level 30 has leveled far, and is now 60. He can't find an average group to UBRS and now is bored
- Hey! Let's gank some people! So he goes STV to the camp and corpse camps everyone
- All the lowbies starting there get annoyed with him, and want to do the same when they're level 60....

And so it carrys on.
Yeah pretty much.. I already have a 60 priest and warrior and there are times when the bg's are slow and I get bored. But never have i thought, mmmmm lets go kill 30's in STV that would be fun!!!. I'll go mine with the warrior or pick herbs with the priest. I guess I am not that type of person that would want to kill someone over and over who has not a snowball chance in hell to do anything about it. Actions of a coward IMO and that I am not. Leveling is a pain in the azz as it is and if i come across someone around my level while questing then it's party time. If I get killed by someone around my lvl or even no ?? .. OK great PVP server and I lost that fight. , can't win them all. But like my OP stated 2 60's over and over on a 36 is just sad... I know these people are kids or I would like to hope so anyway. Someone said a while back to have an age limit server..ahhhhhh we could all dream =>

[Estfinel]

While waiting for the BG's I zeplin over to STV. Theres good hunting over there. Just announce in general chat that your a bored level 60 looking for allience asshats until the BG que takes you away. You'll get plenty of requests for help and that POM Pyroblast out of the bushes really can burn the Asshat right out of them.

Ganking the Gankers is lots of fun. Also, whipping Paladins with my fishing pole is fun too.... =)

[SirBazturd]

This is what I love about a PvP server. You have a sense of being at war....watching your back.....jumping into a fight to help a faction member you don't know........trying to kill at least one when overwhelmed!!!!!!


I was on a PvE server, it does not have the same feel. :wink2:

[ArcaneOne]

This is what I love about a PvP server. You have a sense of being at war....watching your back.....jumping into a fight to help a faction member you don't know........trying to kill at least one when overwhelmed!!!!!!

I was on a PvE server, it does not have the same feel.

Thank goodness! Someone with some sense!

You picked a PvP server for this reason (watching your back, jump them b4 they jump you, ect). In every war there are hot zones where you can expect for constant running and ducking, ect. Hillsbrad and other areas are no different.

If you didnt have a choice I could sympathize, but you do. You chose to get into a PvP server (for non-BG PvP action), and you chose to go into a contested area. Sorry, no love.

Toughen up or reroll in a PvE.

[Trooogdooor]

Ganking the Gankers is lots of fun. Also, whipping Paladins with my fishing pole is fun too.... =)

Nat Pagle is proud of you and me as well

WF on fishing poles :D j/k

[Diesl]

Thank goodness! Someone with some sense!

You picked a PvP server for this reason (watching your back, jump them b4 they jump you, ect). In every war there are hot zones where you can expect for constant running and ducking, ect. Hillsbrad and other areas are no different.

If you didnt have a choice I could sympathize, but you do. You chose to get into a PvP server (for non-BG PvP action), and you chose to go into a contested area. Sorry, no love.

Toughen up or reroll in a PvE.
LOL .. Everytime I see a reply like this I wish you were standing on front of me so I could smack the crap outa u.. I love a pvp server you idiot. What this whole thread is about is getting camped at level 38 by 2 60's who ended up get camped by our 2 60's. And that stv is just about unquestable at this point. Noone is complaining about being on a pvp server. But when you CC a 38 at 60 is freaking sad. That was the point. So next time you need to read and not quote all the other idiots by saying" It's a pvp server , roll pve if you don't want to die..." Blah dude no crap. And noone is asking for your sympathy. :evil:

[moopy]

It's just a vicious circle that happens over and over again:

- The level 30 decides to train in STV and gets ganked so much he wants to gank them back
- The level 30 has leveled far, and is now 60. He can't find an average group to UBRS and now is bored
- Hey! Let's gank some people! So he goes STV to the camp and corpse camps everyone
- All the lowbies starting there get annoyed with him, and want to do the same when they're level 60....

And so it carrys on.

Oversimplification.. you forgot the ZG factor :) Blizz kindly dropped a max level raid instance right in the middle of one of the nastiest of all gank zones. This vastly increases your chance of running into nicely-equipped bored 60s, who are just idling and not in a good mood because they are waiting for a delayed raid to begin..

Ouch!

[rakanishu]

Thank goodness! Someone with some sense!

You picked a PvP server for this reason (watching your back, jump them b4 they jump you, ect). In every war there are hot zones where you can expect for constant running and ducking, ect. Hillsbrad and other areas are no different.

If you didnt have a choice I could sympathize, but you do. You chose to get into a PvP server (for non-BG PvP action), and you chose to go into a contested area. Sorry, no love.

Toughen up or reroll in a PvE.

Or u could go play Counte Strike... Make sense?

[theblackgeese]

I actually enjoyed STV the first time through I liked the constant random battles =). If Im going to ZG or helping someone and I see a horde lowbie hes dead so I guess im one of the people your grumbling about=P. Its important to show the new players whos boss =).

If its red its dead

[Diesl]

I actually enjoyed STV the first time through I liked the constant random battles =). If Im going to ZG or helping someone and I see a horde lowbie hes dead so I guess im one of the people your grumbling about=P. Its important to show the new players whos boss =).

If its red its dead
Well I guess if you constantly get worked in BG's it probly would make you feel powerful ganking a guy 30 levels lower than u... Ya your the boss ... Very powerful indeed... Keep showing them "all powerful one"..

[Diesl]

Oversimplification.. you forgot the ZG factor :) Blizz kindly dropped a max level raid instance right in the middle of one of the nastiest of all gank zones. This vastly increases your chance of running into nicely-equipped bored 60s, who are just idling and not in a good mood because they are waiting for a delayed raid to begin..

Ouch!
Very good point... probly was not the best place to put a high end instance..lol I don't care I don't quest there anyway because of the all powerful alliance that camp people 30 levels lower than them.. They are the boss you know. ./sigh, Maybe if they BGed more instead of nub camping they would win AV more than 2.5% of the time.. so so so sad..

[Grendo]

Very good point... probly was not the best place to put a high end instance..lol I don't care I don't quest there anyway because of the all powerful alliance that camp people 30 levels lower than them.. They are the boss you know. ./sigh, Maybe if they BGed more instead of nub camping they would win AV more than 2.5% of the time.. so so so sad..

As annoyed as I get when I get camped by anyone of any level, if thats what is FUN to them, and they arent breaking any rules, whats the problem? Last I checked they pay the same fee per month, to do the same thing Im doing - having fun.

If the possibility of getting camped ruins the rest of the FUN in the game for you, I agree with others that say you need to look into a PvE realm. Not because I think you're a 'noob' or 'suck at pvp' or are 'scared' -- but because if youre filling a post on a community site with blatent derogatory comments towards other people you dont know, its obviously affected you past the point of having FUN.

...WoW...a...game...is...fun? Who'd a thunk.

[rakanishu]

As annoyed as I get when I get camped by anyone of any level, if thats what is FUN to them, and they arent breaking any rules, whats the problem? Last I checked they pay the same fee per month, to do the same thing Im doing - having fun.

If the possibility of getting camped ruins the rest of the FUN in the game for you, I agree with others that say you need to look into a PvE realm. Not because I think you're a 'noob' or 'suck at pvp' or are 'scared' -- but because if youre filling a post on a community site with blatent derogatory comments towards other people you dont know, its obviously affected you past the point of having FUN.

...WoW...a...game...is...fun? Who'd a thunk.

Well, I share Diesl's point of view and I pay $15 a month also. I don't think I should have to abandon a big part of the game (PvP) because somebody else's idea of "fun" (griefing) is ruining my fun. The real funny part is that if Blizz made a "hardcore" PvP realm where killing lowbies and CCing was encouraged, it would fail. It wouldn't be fun to those people because they couldn't get a rise out of it.

[Kayluus]

I've only been playing for about 2-3 weeks tops and have certainly been on the butt end of many a gank. I have simply adopted the "Kill it if it moves" philosophy. I don't care what level you are (Unless you are so low you wont attack me) I will attack and attempt to kill. And yes, I attack "??" and skulls. Why not... usualy if I give a "??" a good run for his/her money most times they simply /laugh /bow /wave and I in turn /chuckle /shrug and sit down to rest off the rez low health. More often than not we both have a good chuckle and move on. Hell I even had a 60 mage of opposing faction help me kill the big centaur you blow the horn for in VOS... And she also helped me escort the Greenskin out of VOS. Nice chunk of XP. Of course you might ask, what about the 3-4 60's you run across... Me, I just attempt to do something silly... I.E. Walk over to them, yes walk not run, running I find threatening. If someone slows to a walk it shows a less combative intention. Say hello... And if they start messing with you such as the mage who thinks its funny to freeze you, just remove your weapons and run over, punch the sucka in the nose! They seem to find it quite funny... I had a snowball fight with a coupla horde after doing some silly things like getting naked and boxing. Was actualy fun... Sure it breaks up the flow when ur on a good roll with the quests or grinding in the "zone" but what the hell... Go play a PvE server if you don't want to get in fights eh?

Oh and yeah... don't do what I did and roll the faction that is the underdog on your server <lol>

Kayluus
36 NE Rogue
Mal'Ganis

[rakanishu]

I've only been playing for about 2-3 weeks tops and have certainly been on the butt end of many a gank. I have simply adopted the "Kill it if it moves" philosophy. I don't care what level you are (Unless you are so low you wont attack me) I will attack and attempt to kill. And yes, I attack "??" and skulls. Why not... usualy if I give a "??" a good run for his/her money most times they simply /laugh /bow /wave and I in turn /chuckle /shrug and sit down to rest off the rez low health. More often than not we both have a good chuckle and move on. Hell I even had a 60 mage of opposing faction help me kill the big centaur you blow the horn for in VOS... And she also helped me escort the Greenskin out of VOS. Nice chunk of XP. Of course you might ask, what about the 3-4 60's you run across... Me, I just attempt to do something silly... I.E. Walk over to them, yes walk not run, running I find threatening. If someone slows to a walk it shows a less combative intention. Say hello... And if they start messing with you such as the mage who thinks its funny to freeze you, just remove your weapons and run over, punch the sucka in the nose! They seem to find it quite funny... I had a snowball fight with a coupla horde after doing some silly things like getting naked and boxing. Was actualy fun... Sure it breaks up the flow when ur on a good roll with the quests or grinding in the "zone" but what the hell... Go play a PvE server if you don't want to get in fights eh?

Oh and yeah... don't do what I did and roll the faction that is the underdog on your server <lol>

Kayluus
36 NE Rogue
Mal'Ganis

So you seriously wouldn't mind if after doing your antics, three 60's did the /spit, killed you and then corpse camped you?

[SirGregory]

I usually don't bother to kill horde unless I have to.
Example of me not killing horde because I have to: In alterac killing ogres with some friends, a level 37 druid, meh, why bother? There is a high level group in the ruins anyway, so we'll die eventually

Example of killing becoming a must:
at level 33, I took on a lvl 37 shammie with half health and lvl 36 warrior with full health. Both my friends died, I took out the shammie swiftly and took on the warrior. The shammie had an auto re-rezz item or something so I killed the warrior and went for the shammie. Long story short, I got them both and rezzed my party members.

Later on I encountered a level 26 hunter. Some level 55 undead city gaurds in tarren mill were walking by when the hunter advanced slow shotted me(full stop) and regular slow shotted. The gaurds killed me and I was pissed. When I got to my body I saw a lvl 19 warrior nearby. Two hit kill. About five minutes after, there was lvl 31 warlock(who saw me take out the 37 and 36 and fled) who I was chasing, two shots got him at near half health. He ran off and stunned me or something. So I have the run speed enchant so if you don't have it, I can catch you(unless on a mount), making it shortened, I took him out with ease since 'locks have low health. Did I tell you I got to my peak health and mana or 1912/1400? I used to have more mana but tons of stam on my gear.

See what I mean? Venting is easy on a PvP server. Oh and the day before all this, me and a warrior got some horde to leave the fields and then a 60 rogue ganked us both O.O

[Kayluus]

Nah, I'd just rez and hearth if I had to. It has happened but after behaving in such a silly fashion I'd say 9/10 times the 60's just simply play around dancing with me and such. Also only 2 times that I remember have I been in a camp situation I could not escape from. One other thing I suppose should be taken into consideration is that as a rogue I can avoid almost every situation if I am a little patient. It takes a little longer but I travel in stealth most of the time. Yes you move slower but I preffer to have the drop on someone in a fight.

Also how could one not help but feel bad for someone who has to get there kicks by ganking lowbies?

Chances are they are either-

1: An utterly pathetic excuse for a decent human being
2: Have absolutely no life outside of the virtual world

I play because I enjoy matching myself up against other people rather than an AI. The same reason I was a Fencer for 5+ years and played Waterpolo for several years as well. I love the challenge of physicaly or mentaly besting another living person. Griefers as I have seen them called are the same type of people who are bullies. Sad, unhappy, no self confidence and generaly unhappy with their real life. This is not to say it does not frustrate me, but I honestly feel bad for someone who has to engage in such things just to feel good.

[Grendo]

Well, I share Diesl's point of view and I pay $15 a month also. I don't think I should have to abandon a big part of the game (PvP) because somebody else's idea of "fun" (griefing) is ruining my fun. The real funny part is that if Blizz made a "hardcore" PvP realm where killing lowbies and CCing was encouraged, it would fail. It wouldn't be fun to those people because they couldn't get a rise out of it.

I dont understand this argument. Just like their choosing to corpse camp you, cant you choose to not take the rez if you still see them in the area? I actually have fun (theres that word again) following them in spirit form and watching them freak out wondering where I am. They usuaully give up within 5minutes out of pure boredom anyway, and I feel I win that battle overall at that point. Meanwhile I just had a hell of a time! If that doesnt tickle your fancy, you can always GY rez too. Sure you get 10minutes of downtime from the debuff, but wouldnt you have wasted 40min trying to escape the corpse campers?

If blizzard didnt institute ways to get around the problem than I could understand the argument. but they did, and decent ones at that. Could you imagine if you didnt have the ghost or spirit rez option?

Keep in mind, im playing devils advocate here. While I will, depending on the day, kill anything that moves, I will never corpse camp someone unless its a lesson learning excercise to keep gankers from coming back (like when a woodbe ganker totally sucks and dies despite trying to take me out when i had multiple mobs in camp during an xp grind).

[rakanishu]

I dont understand this argument. Just like their choosing to corpse camp you, cant you choose to not take the rez if you still see them in the area? I actually have fun (theres that word again) following them in spirit form and watching them freak out wondering where I am. They usuaully give up within 5minutes out of pure boredom anyway, and I feel I win that battle overall at that point. Meanwhile I just had a hell of a time! If that doesnt tickle your fancy, you can always GY rez too. Sure you get 10minutes of downtime from the debuff, but wouldnt you have wasted 40min trying to escape the corpse campers?

If blizzard didnt institute ways to get around the problem than I could understand the argument. but they did, and decent ones at that. Could you imagine if you didnt have the ghost or spirit rez option?

Keep in mind, im playing devils advocate here. While I will, depending on the day, kill anything that moves, I will never corpse camp someone unless its a lesson learning excercise to keep gankers from coming back (like when a woodbe ganker totally sucks and dies despite trying to take me out when i had multiple mobs in camp during an xp grind).

I suppose the options that your talking about would be fine if you have a lot of time to play. If you have limited playtime, then trying to wait out campers or waiting for rez sickness to wear off can seriously cut into your playtime. In this case, I would prefer to play an alt so I can at least make some progress. Either way, at least in my eyes, the griefer has won because his actions had a direct effect on my fun (playtime).

And remember, we're not talking about just ganking here. I've learned a long time ago that it's gank or be ganked. The OP is about 60's killing 30's in STV, corpse campers and gank squads. I call them griefers because I believe they have fun by causing unecessary grief to other people...

[Kayluus]

I suppose the options that your talking about would be fine if you have a lot of time to play. If you have limited playtime, then trying to wait out campers or waiting for rez sickness to wear off can seriously cut into your playtime. In this case, I would prefer to play an alt so I can at least make some progress. Either way, at least in my eyes, the griefer has won because his actions had a direct effect on my fun (playtime).

And remember, we're not talking about just ganking here. I've learned a long time ago that it's gank or be ganked. The OP is about 60's killing 30's in STV, corpse campers and gank squads. I call them griefers because I believe they have fun by causing unecessary grief to other people...

I understand and agree for the most part but I've been giving this alot of thought recently and I think if you look at it logicaly you can't deny any of the following...

1: Warcraft in all it's forms weither it be classic WC or WoW is a game based on war. War is about overpowering your oponant. Or oposing faction.

2: You do not want war to be fair or sporting. War is about winning.

3: In war anything goes and everyone is the good guy AND the bad guy.

Warcraft emulates war. Nuff said.

[Grendo]

And remember, we're not talking about just ganking here. I've learned a long time ago that it's gank or be ganked. The OP is about 60's killing 30's in STV, corpse campers and gank squads. I call them griefers because I believe they have fun by causing unecessary grief to other people...I agree that they are griefers, people who go out of their way to cause problems for others...ok, we've given them a name. Now what?

I consider it the lesser of two evils. Knowing I cant have the fun associated without the worry of a gank squad, I accept that.

Sure, I could try and figure out these people, making wild guesses and accusations about how sad they are in real life, about how much better I am than them. But wasting my energy, my time, on all that when im probably completely off base anyway, only serves to further bring down my level of fun in the game. Thus the griefers win.

So by freaking out about it happening to you, you are technically supporting the griefers to grief. You become a quasi-griefer by association. Griefer!!

Seriously though, given that youve accepted the good with the bad (you take it all and there you have...) every time you log in, complaining without a solution shows you only want the fun of pvp without the risk. So you need a reasonable solution to make much sense. Got any?

PS. I rolled on a pvp server BECAUSE i had much less playtime than I used to. Its never a given that im going to log in and get done, X. Its never a sure thing what will happen. If I only have an hour once a week, Id much rather spend it being surprised at what might happen - not knowing I have to kill x mobs for y item/coin/drop. To me thats not fun. If my goal was to quest, I would have done it as an alt on my normal pve server. If I knew how each chapter of a book ended, why bother reading it?

[ArcaneOne]

LOL .. Everytime I see a reply like this I wish you were standing on front of me so I could smack the crap outa u.. I love a pvp server you idiot. What this whole thread is about is getting camped at level 38 by 2 60's who ended up get camped by our 2 60's. And that stv is just about unquestable at this point. Noone is complaining about being on a pvp server. But when you CC a 38 at 60 is freaking sad. That was the point. So next time you need to read and not quote all the other idiots by saying" It's a pvp server , roll pve if you don't want to die..." Blah dude no crap. And noone is asking for your sympathy. :evil:

My mistake Diesl, so to summarize, you love PvP and seeing 60s CCn lower levels is sad? Its expected. This whole thread is sad 'cause its a known issue from Day1. We all know how bad it is in STV, and Hillsbrad, and Xrds, ect.

Yeah I missed your point or were you just commenting on the obvious? If its the later I'll start a thread called "The Sky is Blue: Discuss"

ps. kill this thread! Crap, I just defeated my own statement. LOL :P

[rakanishu]

So by freaking out about it happening to you, you are technically supporting the griefers to grief. You become a quasi-griefer by association. Griefer!!

:laughing: Grendo, I have to say I appreciate ur sense of humor and the civil tone of your posts. It's nice that we can agree to disagree w/o resorting to a flame war. :grin: Well, thank God for these forums, they give people a place to b_tch instead of clogging up the in-game channels, lol. Seriously tho, I'm still in a PvP realm so I'm willing to put up with a lot of behavior that I don't agree with simply because I feel I'd be missing out on too much if I went PvE (been there, done that).

I realize Blizz is trying to fix issue within the game. Obviously the BG's, the honor system and DK's were an attempt to channel aggression into a specific time/place. Well, for every action there can be several different and possibly unforseen reactions. I think because of high queue times in the BG's and the fear of getting a DK on a raid, world PvP got worse instead of better. My solution; bring back world PvP by getting rid of DK's and making those NPC's invulnerable to damage instead. That would bring back the PvP raids on enemy towns and the pitched battles that go with them. People want those large scale no holds barred battles. Another idea, create a gladiator style collesium BG. It could be a 1-on-1 or 2-on-2 in order to keep queue times low. No terrain, no goals. Just kill or be killed. Allow an audience that can watch w/o having to worry about being attacked. Maybe make a ladder like D2 had to show gladiator standings. I think the hard core PvP'ers that want to make a name for themselves would flock to this. Would it totally eliminate griefers? No, there will always be that 1% that just like to f*** with people, but I think that it would be a bigtime improvement over what we have now.

[Diesl]

When a thread starts like this it always happens.. the Tards that actually do camp ppl 30 levels lower than them get on here and say .."OH it's part of the game and roll pve if u don't like it... nub, pwnd ,ftw ,aahhuuugg" Whatever. If you pay 15 bucks a month to run around STV at 60 that's great for you. You suck at the game and that's all you can do to get your $$ worth and you think it's fun go for it... /sigh Arcaneone is the boss over there so be careful.
I just think it's silly but if that's what you want to do whatever. I have someone I can log in and kill you with but some ppl don't and they have no shot to defend themselves and I think it's cowardess. But do what u will. To clarify NO ONE is complaining about a pvp server anyone who is not on a PVP server is missing the best part of the game bar none. :afro:

[ArcaneOne]

When a thread starts like this it always happens.. the Tards that actually do camp ppl 30 levels lower than them get on here and say .."OH it's part of the game and roll pve if u don't like it... nub, pwnd ,ftw ,aahhuuugg" Whatever. If you pay 15 bucks a month to run around STV at 60 that's great for you. You suck at the game and that's all you can do to get your $$ worth and you think it's fun go for it... /sigh Arcaneone is the boss over there so be careful.

My post was simple and I think its merely a summary of what EVERYONE ELSE has stated.

"PvP there are no rules...

If you're happy to give someone a wave and salute and then run past, you should also be happy to receive an axe to the back of your melon from the same guy.

There has been threads related to pvp ethics which posters in this thread may be interested in, it talks about how world pvp should take place but at the end of the day world pvp in unscripted and thats why people like it so much." -mugumbo

"in answer to the original question of what is wrong with STV : Absoluetly nothing. Its how it should be, i only wish there were more zones with a high concentration of both factions. Warzones! thats what i want and thats what you get in stv. So for me at least, its working as intended." -porps

"This is what I love about a PvP server. You have a sense of being at war....watching your back.....jumping into a fight to help a faction member you don't know........trying to kill at least one when overwhelmed!!!!!!

I was on a PvE server, it does not have the same feel." -SirBazturd

"I actually enjoyed STV the first time through I liked the constant random battles =). If Im going to ZG or helping someone and I see a horde lowbie hes dead so I guess im one of the people your grumbling about=P. Its important to show the new players whos boss =).

If its red its dead" -theblackgeese

My post, Diesl, was merely stating that this is AS IT SHOULD BE. Sux, sure...so what? You made the choice.

I just think it's silly but if that's what you want to do whatever. I have someone I can log in and kill you with but some ppl don't and they have no shot to defend themselves and I think it's cowardess. But do what u will. To clarify NO ONE is complaining about a pvp server anyone who is not on a PVP server is missing the best part of the game bar none. :afro:

Funny thing is that you assume that I have a 60 and I am a ganker. My main is only 34 and a 23 alt. Im 9/10 the gankee not the ganker, but I made that choice when I rolled on this server. STV and other zones are WARZONES and are great! I like the random killing going on even if I am the victim....usually, I get my kill every once in a while:grin: This also applies to corpse camping (evil, but expected and you still have other options). Recently I had the pleasure of corpse camping a higher level character (33 'Lock vs 37 War)...now THAT was funny. :grin:


To those having a problem with STV I merely say that there are options. Its not as hopeless as the OP makes it seem. Go PVE or quest elsewhere or at non-peak times.

Diesl, dont bash the poster...I never attacked you on my post, I merely spoke generally. Besides in forums or RL debates attacking the poster/debater cheapens your message. FYI. Love you brah...see ya in STV :evil:

[Diesl]

And you saying the odvious that we are on a pvp server.. No Really!!! And there are no rules.. dude we know all that. And you have the right to roll on whatever freaking server you want to. And there is alot of great things about a pvp server and I personally would not play if there wasn't a pvp server. For some unknown reason you don't get that a 60 ccing a 30 is stupid...... I don't care what server I'm on again "It's Stupid" what other reason would you do this other than to be a D**k? None. And to sit here at 34 and say oh it's part of the game.... bothers me. It is part of the game the part that's stupid . But like I said you pay 14 bucks a month do what you want . I have options to bad most don't. This post turned into way more than it should have as always when you make a post about ccing . The op was really about 2 of us wiping out Darkshire in a fit of revenge..lol.. No worries Arcane.. It just pisses me off when ppl say "roll pve if you don't like a guy 30 levels above you ccing you all day" I mean come on dude do you actually think that's a cool thing to do weather you think it's part of the pvp server or not, honestly?

[WingedNazgul]

It just pisses me off when ppl say "roll pve if you don't like a guy 30 levels above you ccing you all day" I mean come on dude do you actually think that's a cool thing to do weather you think it's part of the pvp server or not, honestly?

Giving someone the best possible advice is always the cool thing to do regardless of what their actual motives are.

[ArcaneOne]

I mean come on dude do you actually think that's a cool thing to do weather you think it's part of the pvp server or not, honestly?

Never said it was cool, just said that its EXPECTED. Sure the 60 is a d**k and I have been on the receiving end many a times. Ex. Ive been CCd in Hillsbrad, spirit rez'd to to go Ashenvale and CC'd there, then went to Stonetalon and again. CC'd in 3 areas within 1 hour is frustrating as hell! But after I get done with my tantrum I know that it is my own fault and I made the choice. So I log in again in a few min 'cause I need my Warcrak. :grin:

Why do they do it? Cause theyre jerks, retarded, bored, or just waiting for friends. The reasons are endless. When I hit 60 Im going to be CCn a lvl30. Why? 'Cause he could turn and gank a 25 ally, 'cause Im bored and rather than killing frogs, sickly deer, or rabits I happen to be near you while passing by, or just CCn ya cause I can (chances are Im waiting for queue, friends to invite to Dungeon, or cooking dinner).

Now now, we've all been CCd but it can be avoided. I have some linen cloth for ya if ya need. :cry:

[Diesl]

No need. How about go mine or go pick herbs or go skin or whatever.. camp a 30 your a D**k period. Quit posting and go get some levels. I heard of a service that can do that for you, Ya know the faster you get to 60 the more 30's you can beat up.:disappointed:

[Trepidation]

You rolled a toon on an open field PvP server. The PvP rules are very much stated by blizzard on their main site. Blizzard never said "you are guranteed 100% access to all content and encounters at a level of pleasure that you deem acceptable."

The rules are, there are no excessive amount of rules. Plane and simple. Any rule you come up with to try and fix this can be exploited (trust me, you aren't the first person to post a thread about this). The two rules they did put in place was graying out toons that are much lower level to reduce ganking and make home territories engage by choice.. Can you imagine the ganking if level 10's gave honor in any zone? The rogues would be camping like mad.

Just be glad in warcraft that you don't lost items/gold like most other MMO's.

-treP

[ArcaneOne]

No need. How about go mine or go pick herbs or go skin or whatever.. camp a 30 your a D**k period.

"Sure the 60 is a d**k and I have been on the receiving end many a times."
Thought I said that Diesl. So you are now arguing about something we agree on??:ponder:

Quit posting and go get some levels. I heard of a service that can do that for you, Ya know the faster you get to 60 the more 30's you can beat up.

Off point. This has nothing to do with anything in your OP or thread. The problem is AGAIN...there is no fixing it and 90% of the people that have replied to YOUR post have agreed that they knew the dangers before rolling a character in a PVP server and, like myself, enjoy it even when on the receiving end.

I could have an entire raid group of 60s camping me....so what? Crying is not going to fix it. Blizz will just hand you a hankie and tell you to go PVE.

I guess the correct answer to your post was simply "Oh yeah man, its bad." My mistake Diesl.

ps. I cant go level. Im at work atm....shhhssshh!!:hide:

[Diesl]

I never said fix it!!! And never cried about it... It was a funny post about 2 60's getting worked all night because they cced the wrong ppl.lol wow you guys are something. I just said ppl who do it are d**ks and it's sad they have nothing else to go do but be a D**k....why is that hard to get...They ppl who did it to me were delt with I have no issues other than they made there and lots of other ppls night hell. That was it . You all turned it in to it needs fixing not me. Never staed it once. never cried once..

[Kayluus]

I never said fix it!!! And never cried about it... It was a funny post about 2 60's getting worked all night because they cced the wrong ppl.lol wow you guys are something. I just said ppl who do it are d**ks and it's sad they have nothing else to go do but be a D**k....why is that hard to get...They ppl who did it to me were delt with I have no issues other than they made there and lots of other ppls night hell. That was it . You all turned it in to it needs fixing not me. Never staed it once. never cried once..

It turned into this for the same reason we are all reading and posting in forums. We all have an opinion and we all feel a bit sore about CCing or are tired of the people who do truely do nothing but complain... :grin:

If ur on Mal'Ganis cya there :thumbsup:

[rutty]

Has anyone mentioned Carebears yet? I think that might add some intellectual reasoning behind this debate :thumbsup:

[NewtoWoW]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesl
No need. How about go mine or go pick herbs or go skin or whatever.. camp a 30 your a D**k period.

I don't think this is true. Yesterday in hillsbrad I ganked a 32 Warrior farming Yeti next to Southshore. (I am a 34 allie priest BTW, casual player) He was at half life, but wasn't watching his back. Sorry, but Horde shouldn't be wandering alone north of Southshore. Predictably, he called in a ?? rogue to make my life hell. I killed his mate, I deserved it. From their perspective I was a dirty alliance backstabbing him at half health. From my perspective he was a dirty horde grinding near MY town. I got camped off and on for a half hour, but it was kinda fun trying to hide from the ??. If it had gotten old, I could have just GY ressed and been done with it.

Although I'm not a 60, I can kind of imagine how boring it would be. All you can do are end game raids/instances or BG. The dishonorable kill system is broken (stupid civs), so all you have left is to plough the grinding areas for your lowbie guildies/alts.

Its fun being the cat, but sometimes its also fun being the mouse. At my mid twenties I was making the long walk to menethil harbor. At one point there is a path that makes a circle and loops into a cave just before you enter wetlands. I knew there was a ?? druid that likes to gank there. So I jump off the ledge onto the top of the cave entrance and wait. ?? druid runs right under me and heads for the top. A quick jump off before he tuns around and I make my way to menethil.

It doesn't get you any honor, but it sure is fun outfoxing a 60.

[Gorny]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesl
No need. How about go mine or go pick herbs or go skin or whatever.. camp a 30 your a D**k period.




Hey that kind of language is not allowed here.

Read the forum rules.

[blazze]

personally i like that " contested " area , its where the action is good dammit =P there is other areas to lev .
did like one q in stv whit my first char ( at the time i thought it was anoying place to do q )

always sume ganker there lurking , fun to be able to attack the ones that one are in at war whit!

you have decolace do do same lev range q in if you dont wana be ganked or gank so much . theres alomst emty there :azn:
pvp for the people jayy ^^:afro:

[brandondash]

Hey that kind of language is not allowed here.
Read the forum rules.
Besides, since when did a phallus have the leet skills necessary to corpse camp? Mine can barely handle a pve server!

brandon-

[porps]

Quote:

Its fun being the cat, but sometimes its also fun being the mouse.


If this were in game, that statement would have earned you a /salute, a /smile, and quite possibly a /hug

[Diesl]

Hey that kind of language is not allowed here.

Read the forum rules.
How the hell do u pick my sensored version to say "hey read rules" when others didn't even sensor theres. WTF. Paladin board Mod.

[Tepohad]

If you are on a PVP server, you are at war. I dont care if someone corpse camps me or not. I choose PVP for a reason. So what if a ?? ganks me... Big deal. That is why I joined a PVP server. Its adds uncertainity!

IT has happened to me (31 Hunter Balzaneer) Do I punish lower lever horde when I come across them? Absolutely. Everytime.... not at all. Depends on my mood. :)

I love the fear I get when I am deep in a zone and I see a few ?? horde come over the hill. Will the kill me? Will the be cool? Will they camp my corpse? I'll dance with them, I will beg, pray etc. And if they leave me be... cool and if the beat teh $%^& out of me. *shrug* Its all in a night of gaming. Its fair, its PVP.

My personal favorite gank, a rogue sneaking up on me while I am fighting... one two hits when I am weakened.... bam dead. Of Cousre I will just find out where he/she is, rez, and train some mobs... Its called retributation. They will leave you be after on or two trains. hahaha.

I have yet to get mad, upset, feel dirty, etc. just because I got ganked. Its a game, and its got two sets of rules. I chose the harshest, and do not see how I ever played a MMORPG with out PVP.

[Gorny]

How the hell do u pick my sensored version to say "hey read rules" when others didn't even sensor theres. WTF. Paladin board Mod.


Censored or not we do not allow that kind of language here, that is why you got a warning.

Period. End of story.

It makes no difference if other people censor that kind of language or not.

It is still offensive, and against our forum rules.

None of us mods or Admins, Paladin or otherwise allow this.

Last chance.

If you wish to continue to post here than please read the forum rules and abide by them.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.

[Shellar]

The bad parts of being on a PvP server is that there are thousands of people out there who will kill you, /spit on you, mess up your questing, camp your corpse, and generally try to make your life as miserable as possible. The good parts of being on a PvP server is that, once you get to level 60, you get to kill, insult, annoy, corpse camp and otherwise grief lowbies on the other side.

Since the choice of a server is a voluntary one, this means that the majority of players on any PvP realm is the kind of people for whom the good parts outweigh the bad parts (bullies, control freaks, closet psychopaths, borderline sadists, and so forth).

[rutty]

I ventured into STV last night for the first time with my 35 Troll Hunter and ended up getting ganked by a group of 60 high-ranking Alliance. They were assaulting Grom'gol and causing a fuss, no doubt to attract a larger group of horde who duly arrived and proceded to wipe the floor with them. I got some honour and the satisfaction of revenge with HKs on some 10+ ranking 60s.

There was one Rogue who's name has been taken and added to my KoS list. Just in case I ever get to see her fighting something else considering she's 25 levels higher than me of course. She dropped me no end of times.

Oddly enough I could have ganked a level 40 dwarf warrior who popped out from the foliage in front of me at 5% health. I just waved and ran past - he waved back at me. He even left me alone when I ran past him again two minutes later after he'd bandaged up.

Nessingwary's was a nightmare to quest around. How does anyone get anything done round there?

[Wharfe]

How does anyone get anything done round there?

4 O'Clock in the morning is about the only time really

[WingedNazgul]

4 O'Clock in the morning is about the only time really

QFT.

20 characters...really.

[Diesl]

Censored or not we do not allow that kind of language here, that is why you got a warning.

Period. End of story.

It makes no difference if other people censor that kind of language or not.

It is still offensive, and against our forum rules.

None of us mods or Admins, Paladin or otherwise allow this.

Last chance.

If you wish to continue to post here than please read the forum rules and abide by them.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.
Yeah u singled me out PERIOD. warn me than u should have warned all the others PERIOD. If your going to be a moderater be a good one

[mesonm]

The bad parts of being on a PvP server is that there are thousands of people out there who will kill you, /spit on you, mess up your questing, camp your corpse, and generally try to make your life as miserable as possible. The good parts of being on a PvP server is that, once you get to level 60, you get to kill, insult, annoy, corpse camp and otherwise grief lowbies on the other side.



I was in TM last night with my alli hunter, and saw a lvl 25 horde priest...I waved, and just stood there, near the yeti cave...since I wanted to kill yeti's...The priest stood there, and stood there...and then THREE 60 rogues unstealthed and killed me...
and the priest then laughed.

Interesting that I had not done a single hostile action at this point.

I rezzed at the cave, only to find the SAME lvl 25 priest, with no bodyguards...He, well, suffered an untimely demise TWICE. The jerk.

So, there are two or more sides to a gank, once in awhile. Here I was, all set to be nice, and the dude calls in the army.

[moopy]

Since the choice of a server is a voluntary one, this means that the majority of players on any PvP realm is the kind of people for whom the good parts outweigh the bad parts (bullies, control freaks, closet psychopaths, borderline sadists, and so forth).

What about stubborn masochists? Don't I get to join in, too?

[Rusalka]

Surely they can just adapt the flagging system for players such that a Level 30 can be unattackable by a level 41 upwards, but is always fair game to 20-40 players or something like that.

That way, you could easily avoid most unfair fights and stupid ganks and the game would flow nicely. However, if you attack a 60 who is being ganked already or something like that, then your flags are off baby, and everyone and anyone can own you, and they would as they would know the reason you have been flagged =D

What do you all think of something like that?

Yes, they could do that, but then you couldn't count on your lvl 60 main to take care of that pack of corpse campers who just happen to be within the level range to kill your alt but out of the lvl range to be killed by yer main. So therefore, I'd say no to this idea.

[Gorny]

Yeah u singled me out PERIOD. warn me than u should have warned all the others PERIOD. If your going to be a moderater be a good one


Actually I am a good one.

I did not single you out, I saw your post and gave a warning just like any other mod would have. If I see someone else make the same type of post, they get a warning too.

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[Diesl]

K,, Shield Harth :wave:

[Shellar]

What about stubborn masochists? Don't I get to join in, too?
Well, I did say 'most'. The rest are the guiltwracked masochistic punchdolls looking for a cathartic release. :grin:

[SirGregory]

Ahh, STV. What joy do I have going through there. A few days ago I wa son my merry way, helping someone kill horde who were 3 levels lower than me. I had plate and everything and they...well they had cloth and leather. So a few hits from mongraine's might and they both were dead. they res and run. I mount up and chase them down, killing them again. They res and a 60 shammie appears. Cools. I'm dead. I res and shield, only to die 12 seconds later. Dead again. I res and try to shield again. Dead. I press O, and scroll down deciding who to choose. I choose Daring, a pretty good friend, and one of my many level 60 friends. He comes over from westfall and crushes them all. I res and help out. They res again, I decide to /sleep and let them try and get me. Well, they were dumb and did. Daring un stealths and kills them. they finally escape and we're back at nessy's. So I say to him, "Hey, that wasn't enough. See that 34 warrior? Let me handle him." I kill him and so more lowbie horde appear. Also our two good friends show up again, we make short owrk of all the horde around. Seven or so bodies and skeletons little the area. All because some (fluffy loves early morning snacks) 37s had to pick on a 34. Gank or be ganked, little hordies.

Tone the language down a bit please.:wink:

[bdenniso]

K,, Shield Harth :wave:
lawl!!


Ahh, STV. What joy do I have going through there. A few days ago I wa son my merry way, helping someone kill horde who were 3 levels lower than me. I had plate and everything and they...well they had cloth and leather. So a few hits from mongraine's might and they both were dead. they res and run. I mount up and chase them down, killing them again. They res and a 60 shammie appears. Cools. I'm dead. I res and shield, only to die 12 seconds later. Dead again. I res and try to shield again. Dead. I press O, and scroll down deciding who to choose. I choose Daring, a pretty good friend, and one of my many level 60 friends. He comes over from westfall and crushes them all. I res and help out. They res again, I decide to /sleep and let them try and get me. Well, they were dumb and did. Daring un stealths and kills them. they finally escape and we're back at nessy's. So I say to him, "Hey, that wasn't enough. See that 34 warrior? Let me handle him." I kill him and so more lowbie horde appear. Also our two good friends show up again, we make short owrk of all the horde around. Seven or so bodies and skeletons little the area. All because some (fluffy loves early morning snacks) 37s had to pick on a 34. Gank or be ganked, little hordies.

Tone the language down a bit please.:wink:

people like you give the alliance a bad name. that being said i enjoyed reading all these stories about encounters with the opposite faction, and how they acted like jerkoffs esp. when you /wave them and then they call in there buddies. On my server theyre so many horde that are just PoS.. i dont get it, i joined allaince so i wouldnt have to put up with gay lil kids ganking me,guess that didnt work lol. Anyways i was in STV a lil while ago doing sum quest with my pally, that is pretty overly equipt, due to my love for PvP (in BG) and theres this horde warrior that i could tell was doing the same quest as me and a 1 lv lower, so /wave and get back to bussiness... i pull 3 mobs and im messing them up (thanks to conseration/judge of righteouness) , the minute im done killing them this bonehead trys to gank me. now its on unwritten rule that pallies can kill warriors one on one up to 4-5lvs above themselve(gear dependent). So i easily hammer of justice him heal, and its game over /laugh. 2min later he res's and his still doing the same quest so i /wave again and go about my business thinking he learned his lesson. Not the case again trys the same stunt..almost got me this time cuz im so low in manna i actually to take a potion. fast forward 30min.. ive pulled 5 mobs (on a new quest) i just kill them and he comes out of nowhere and this time he kills me. So figured o well he just mad cuz i pwned him 2 times its all good...i get back to my body and his camping it so i res ..wait a sec and lol, heal and pwn him again. camp his body he trys to run away , gets close enough to his horde town that the guards kill me but not b4 i finished him off. Then again an hour later he trys the same crap...he just dinged so now his the same lv as me but sam results..he dies... at this point i was done the quest i needed to do. But i couldnt belive the stupidity of this guy, he died 4 times to kill me once and took up time that we couldve been questin ,, a real POS.
next day i see another warroir 2 lvs above me, i say screw it im tired of these horde and go after him (dont think he wanted to fight) got him down to half, i just healed myself so im full and decides to run so i chase him, but its taking to long(his got those PvP boots i dont) so i give up.. i exit the window of the game to thotbot sum stuff , come back on and this guy is hacking away at me when im AFK...WHERE IS THE HONOUR!! so i heal try to fight him and he runs away. i couldnt belive how much of a wuss he was. Anyways i have a very big hate on right now for horde warriors cant belive how dumb/wussy they are

sorry bout the long post

[Valas Azuviir]

a) Thread necromancy is rather frowned upon without good reason. This wasn't a very good reason, especially considering point b.

b) Watch the language. We take a very dim view of those who use the term gay as a pejorative.

Strongly urge you to read our forum rules (http://forums.worldofwar.net/rules) and conduct yourself in a manner more befitting to those who post here.

:annoyed:

[bdenniso]

wow i had no idea how old these post were

yes sir...but the word gay = happy
but i will watch my laguage

[Valas Azuviir]

Timestamp is at the top left hand of a post. Last message by SirGregory was 18-02-2006.

Back to back postings are also frowned upon.

And please don't insult my intelligence by trying to suggest that you meant gay in a benign fashion. Considering the tone of that post and the number of other pejoratives you used, that's about as likely as me being the King of England.

[bdenniso]

Timestamp is at the top left hand of a post. Last message by SirGregory was 18-02-2006.

Back to back postings are also frowned upon.

And please don't insult my intelligence by trying to suggest that you meant gay in a benign fashion. Considering the tone of that post and the number of other pejoratives you used, that's about as likely as me being the King of England.

yea i got that, hence the "i had no idea how old this post was". i was just googleing stuff and it popped up so i checked it out and added my two cents. but thanx for the clarification i really needed it. And since im up to date on all the stuff that gets frowned on(alot) everything is A ok.
thanks bob
have a smiley time

[fzyx]

I don't know how it started or even why but it's almost pointless to go quest there. Horde ganking Alliance , Alliance ganking horde. It's a war zone of 60's killing 30's and don't really get it. I was on an alt (37 Shammy) and was going to run to Stonard for flight path with another guildmate (37 Druid). We were there like 3 min into the run and, charge, HS (60 warrior).. OMG you have got to be kidding me... dead . run back rez run about 10 more feet... ambush ?? (60 Rogue). OMFG lol R U freaking kidding me . We run back rez 30 sec later charge, HS, MS dead.. OK now I am pissed at this point. So I log in my very well geared 60 UD warrior and druid logs in better geared 60 Lock and we take the zep down and find the two retards. We killed the warrior and then later found and killed the Rogue. Now we have like 15 level 30 alliance on us and they also had to die. But yet we still were not satisfied so we decided to make the short ride to the closest Alliance town and manage to pick up a 60 hunter and Rogue who had the same two A holes do the same to there alts . Long story short we killed every thing from STV to Darkshire and did not give a crap if it was a level 30 or 60. Went in the town killed everyone with 4 gaurds beating on me. rezzed in the inn killed the 20 nubs hidding there. For like an hour noone got any quest done in darkshire. I love a pvp server and would not play if it was not. But STV is a f-ed up place and lotsa people had a bad night because of 2 retards. So if your on Bloodscalp and you were in Darkshire and were a killed buy 4 ?? that's why. Sorry . I never quest there but I have to run through it to get to Swamp and ended up getting camped anyway...lol Karma

P.S. I felt alot better afterwards =>

Sounds to me like you were as much a part of the problem as the solution, I'm sure the 2 "retards" as you call them were just blowing off steam from when they were ganked earlier. In the end STV has a dangerous reputation, probably because of the multi-faction booty bay. I don't quest there anymore, but I do think its cool that like in a real world, certain areas ended up more dangerous than others without blizzard really forcing people to behave a certain way.

EDIT : lol, oops, should have checked the timestamp :) its all still true though...