pvp gear better than normal gear

[holycheese]

first time post long time reader, is the epic and blue gear rewards better from bg's than from ur usual locations ie instances and farming...


lvl 60 shammy azjol nerub euro
lvl 30 priest same

[Hateblade]

Depends on if you are only going to PvP your entire gaming career. The PvP rewards from rank 8+ are all about Stamina and AP and DMG and such. They work decent in raiding, but only so much. The versatility of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 sets make them much nicer for end game raiding. Only exception to this that I've seen is the players that have reached Warlord/Marshal up to HWarlord/GMarshal. That gear is SICK. Rogue with almost 6K HP scares me. ><

[holycheese]

the reason i ask, is basically i wonder if it'll be worth just pvping to oblivion, rather than entering endless instances hoping i'll get a lucky roll!!



(my character is cursed by the way.... he cant roll a high number for love nor money)

just about to make blood guard (a centimetre away) and the gear for blood guard looks so sweet for my shammy... better than any drops so far..


been to dm like 30 times havent been lucky even being the only mail wearer. other options are to get into a high lvl instance and they do take hours to complete..
(went to zg with guild recently took 4 hours to get through the 1st boss)

so my point is pvp the way to go for peeps who are unlucky with the dice and unlucky with drops rates..


incidently my priest always rolls high .. i think blizz made some lucky and others not so

[SirBazturd]

Just a word of warning, the warlord gear is sick because it requires a sick amount of time to get it.

You will have to pvp grind for months...I have heard 3-6 months, depending on server.



(I'm just jealous of the people who have it b/c I won't ever be able to get that gear) :cry:

[starlitsky]

i have not joined a raiding guild, because i'm a casual player. as much as i want to, i can't promise 4 hours of activity each night. as such, i'm probably going to be PvP'ing like, an hour a night or so .. .more on some days, less on others. it only took a couple of games to AB and WSG to get me to rank 3 (sergeant). i'm guessing i'll probably try get most of the PvP gear.

what i want to say though, don't ignore the faction rep equipment! i've seen some nice stuff from argent dawn, zalandar tribe and timbermaw ... even if you're not in a raiding guild, timbermaw/AD faction, at the very least, isn't hard to solo.

[NocturneNight]

i have not joined a raiding guild, because i'm a casual player. as much as i want to, i can't promise 4 hours of activity each night. as such, i'm probably going to be PvP'ing like, an hour a night or so .. .more on some days, less on others. it only took a couple of games to AB and WSG to get me to rank 3 (sergeant). i'm guessing i'll probably try get most of the PvP gear.

If you think 1 hour a day is going to net you anything higher than rank 6, I'm sorry. The early ranks are very easy but it gets very hard, very fast. Grinding for the higher ranks is a 24/7 job.

[Steamboat]

I agree with Starlitsky about grinding for rep. Alterac Valley has some things at exalted that are amazing. It's not easy to get there, but it's certainly easier than getting past rank 6 or collecting any gear past tier 0.

As an example, I started AV from having 0 stormpike rep. I played for 2 days = 3 wins and 1 loss - and I went all the way through neutral to 75% friendly. I've heard it only takes about 30 AV wins to get exalted.

[det]

It also depends on the server and the side that you play. To advance on Horde side you have to play more on my server, but Alliance has long queues, while Horde always gets in (Ally:Horde = more than 2:1)

I posted my advances over the last few weeks/ranks in another thread. basically I am taking about 10-11 weeks to get from rank 7 to rank 10 with about 2 hours PvP per day, mostly PuGs.

But a 6 piece PvP gear is not bad and the staff for being Exalted with Defilers is quiet nice. Shoulders don't look to bad either.

Of course I cannot say if I could have collected a full Dreadmist by that time. All I know is that I did UBRS about 10 times..no Dreadmist. 5 Scholos, no Dreadmist. 10 LBRS and Dreadmist Bracers, the other part (gloves) I bought.

With PvP I can play in my own time, leave partys I dont like after the game and no "Sorry have to go" in the middle of a run.

[5zigen]

Champions gear is >> Teir 0 set (elements)
Warlords gear is around = to teir 1 set (earthfur)
Warlords gear is <<< Teir 2 set (10 storms)

The pvp sets are only 6 peices, and the 4 peice bonuses are usually good.

IMO the 4 peice shaman set is awesome but that is easily offset by the fact that the gear is confused and has alot of spell dmg and some physical crit... (imo for an elem resto shaman the set only has 4 usable peices).

Dont expect to be able to compete with raiding guilds even if everyone on your team has the warlords gear.

The pve gear is better specially for the damage dealing classes. For stuff like druids the pve gear is mostly healing, and for shamans the teir 1 set is also healing and in that sense its not that great for pvp. But the amount of stats on teir 1 offsets the lack of damage. Further, the teir 2 sets are just great all round....

On my server the horde wins WSG and AB maybe MAYBE 1% of the time. So rep rewards arent really available to me :(

[ChaosTree]

I have been playing almost exclusively PvP for about 6 months. I have spent about 400 hours on PvP, and I'm rank 10. In 400 hours I could have done around 100 instances. I think that 100 instance runs would have given better reward than rank 10.

If I had played my 400 hours in a period of 2 months instead of 6. I would probably have been rank 12, and then maybe PvP would have been worth it.

PvP is best done in a burst, playing a little every week for a long time won't get you anywhere, but playing alot in a short time will get you much further.

If you have something like a summer holliday where you can play 8+ hours a day for 1-2 months, you can get good reward from PvP. So my suggestion is to do PvE when you play casually, but if you have the oportunity to play hardcore for a shorter burst, you can go PvP.

The reputation rewards is a different matter though, since you rep is directly proportional to the amount of time you spend, so it doesn't matter if you play 400 hours over 1 month or 1 year.

[Dutchgrass]

Champions gear is >> Teir 0 set (elements)
Warlords gear is around = to teir 1 set (earthfur)
Warlords gear is <<< Teir 2 set (10 storms)

This is pretty accurate.
For Warlocks for instance, the blue pvp set beats Dreadmist or assorted +damage blues, but Nemesis is superior to the epic PvP set.

Also, melee oriented classes benefit FAR more from the rank 14 weapons compared to casters, but those are for a select few only anyway.

[det]

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Also, melee oriented classes benefit FAR more from the rank 14 weapons compared to casters, but those are for a select few only anyway.

But I think we profit from the reputation rewards more. That Defiler's staff is VERY nice...not as nice as the High warlord staff, but certainly attainable with a lot less hassle.

Hm..do I put spellpower (+30) or +22 Int on it?

[Dutchgrass]

Hm..do I put spellpower (+30) or +22 Int on it?

As a Warlock?
Spellpower, unless that's too expensive/too much farming for your taste. I never go for intel.

[holycheese]

Thanks for all ur wonderful replies, its given me some serious food for thought ...

I want to get exalted with the defilers but on my server they seem to be really into wsg ( i hate wsg) !!! so defilers is out, until the bonus weekends come.

Av we loose all the time due to numbers which really gets my goat so its a slow process getting rep with them too.

but i think ur right, i'm a casual player with times when i can play large amounts but not always, maybe the tortoise versus the hare ie ( av over large amounts of pvp time route maybe the best way )


i'll ponder over it but i think i'll plod along on the av route start there and work my way out to other factions..

thanks holycheese

[Dutchgrass]

At least reputation won't decay over time if you have weeks with less playtime.
Might be slow gain at times but no 'I have no time but must play to keep rank' nonsense.

[gundamxzero]

Champions gear is >> Teir 0 set (elements)
Warlords gear is around = to teir 1 set (earthfur)
Warlords gear is <<< Teir 2 set (10 storms)

The pvp sets are only 6 peices, and the 4 peice bonuses are usually good.

IMO the 4 peice shaman set is awesome but that is easily offset by the fact that the gear is confused and has alot of spell dmg and some physical crit... (imo for an elem resto shaman the set only has 4 usable peices).

Dont expect to be able to compete with raiding guilds even if everyone on your team has the warlords gear.

The pve gear is better specially for the damage dealing classes. For stuff like druids the pve gear is mostly healing, and for shamans the teir 1 set is also healing and in that sense its not that great for pvp. But the amount of stats on teir 1 offsets the lack of damage. Further, the teir 2 sets are just great all round....

On my server the horde wins WSG and AB maybe MAYBE 1% of the time. So rep rewards arent really available to me :(

There is no such thing as tier 0 gear just because its a set, if you want to look at it that way then which teir is the defias lvl 19 set?

And all in all to the OP first of all its never a random roll :P usually guilds have dkp so its how many times you attend the higher chance you will get something and its very easy to get into a guild thats MC capable I got my first "purp" after 3 MC runs (about 3-4 hours each) and after not too long about my 5th time or so I got my mana igniting cord(best mage belt in the game) if you are going to grind out honor 2 ppl in my guild(kel thuzad) have reached GM and it took litterally about 2 months to achieve and they had other people logged on their accounts when they werent playing, so if that gives you an idea which is easier to get.

[Raistlin Majere]

I recomend some instance gear with the rep rewards. the Marshall and Warlord ranks are quite unattainable if you have a dayjob.