Who survives?

[Brighde]

Two paladins, both dwarves, both with the exact same armor. One has a protection spec (with 40 dps mace and a 2250 armor 40 block shield) and the other has retribution spec with a 51.0 dps two handed sword. They are both facing down a level 61 demon in South Winterspring. Who survives? Who gets pounded into the ground like a tent stake?

[Trooogdooor]

both cuz your stupid....wait a minute your specials affect demons now too don't they.....fking pallies

[Brighde]

Perhaps a bit of a more intelligent response might be in order, or at least one that is not quite so banal.

[Trooogdooor]

sorry I play a sham that can do 3500 chain lit crits and I've grown to hate pallies jsut cuz I do more dmg to myself killing them then they do to me

[Brighde]

Thank you for your candor. All I am getting at is a discussion in generalties of the benefit in end game of going protection spec over retribution spec. I have a very kind GM who will respect someone's decision either way. We run our own molten core raids. I am about to hit level 60 with my paladin and this will be my first experience end game. This week I went on a raid to lower black rock spire with guildmates and was given the skullflame shield drop. So it gave me pause to rethink my retribution spec decision. However, come the new expansion, level 60 will not be endgame any more...there will be another 10 levels to hammer out. I am sure they will NOT be easy like levels 55 to 60 were.

[Scorpio]

I would say that the lack of damage from the protection paladin would in the end kill him, he will have the power to take more hits that's for sure but in the end the damage that he will put out will at best level out the effect. They might both be able to do it but when it comes to doing things solo I would rather sit behind a retribution paladin.

[Brighde]

I would say that the lack of damage from the protection paladin would in the end kill him, he will have the power to take more hits that's for sure but in the end the damage that he will put out will at best level out the effect. They might both be able to do it but when it comes to doing things solo I would rather sit behind a retribution paladin.

Thank you for your kind response. I haven't felt the need to debate the individual talents and there merits, as within my guild on Earthen Ring we have already done that adnauseum. Since, as I understand rarely happens, I am part of a guild where the GM allows us to go retribution if we so desire, I was considering the end game PVE benefits of protect. build vs. retribution. Although the nifty skullflame shield looks "way cool" I find myself resorting to the good old fashioned doombringer blade (2 handed more often then not). We have gone from being an RP guild lately to primarily a raiding guild. However, with the advent of the new expansion and 10 more levels things mage change a bit.

[Gorny]

both cuz your stupid....wait a minute your specials affect demons now too don't they.....fking pallies

Watch your language or I slap you with a temp ban.

This is your only warning, do not troll in my forum.

[Grendo]

Two paladins, both dwarves, both with the exact same armor. One has a protection spec (with 40 dps mace and a 2250 armor 40 block shield) and the other has retribution spec with a 51.0 dps two handed sword. They are both facing down a level 61 demon in South Winterspring. Who survives? Who gets pounded into the ground like a tent stake?They both do...or should. A mob with only one level on you should die just like the rest. A retribution pally will kill slightly faster than the protection spec, but at the cost of more mana generally speaking.

Unless you PvP a lot, Id consider either a Holy or a Retribution build. Protection doesnt serve much benefit in comparison to either of the others. You can still dive a bit into protection with either to get more use out of the pretty shield. ;)

[WingedNazgul]

Yeah, those Elite demons you are talking about will make both types of Paladins tent stakes. Unless you can kite them or do cute Banish/CoD tricks on them, they are extremely tough to solo.

[Brighde]

They both do...or should. A mob with only one level on you should die just like the rest. A retribution pally will kill slightly faster than the protection spec, but at the cost of more mana generally speaking.

Unless you PvP a lot, Id consider either a Holy or a Retribution build. Protection doesnt serve much benefit in comparison to either of the others. You can still dive a bit into protection with either to get more use out of the pretty shield. ;)

Well it is actually sort of an exciting time for me...I joined wow specifically to play a dwarf paladin. I did try some of the other classes after I started to listen to everyone who complained about paladins. I tried mage, shaman, rogue and druid. In the end I came back to my paladin Brighde. The consense amoungst all the senior paladins (as in those who have been playing end game) seems to be for my interests to go retribution or holy but not protection. In the end I will probably go mostly retribution with some holy.

But I have to say, as I rode across the plains of Silithus with my worg dog in tow, I watched all the assembled troops. Troops from every nation. I am on the Earthen Ring server and our gates open this Saturday at 1:00 pm server time. Whoo hooo! What a great time to make level 60 paladin! Just in time for the big war!

No I have to find out what this guy in Ironforge is trying to tell me about something called a "charger"

I will just bet the quest cannot be soloed.

[WingedNazgul]

I will just bet the quest cannot be soloed.

Parts of it can. The interesting parts need a group.

[Brighde]

Yeah, those Elite demons you are talking about will make both types of Paladins tent stakes. Unless you can kite them or do cute Banish/CoD tricks on them, they are extremely tough to solo.

Sounds like a challenge to me...and I do so love a challenge. Now more than ever I am determined to beat the snot out of one of them solo.

[demonrage]

Well, I have attempted one of those demons before just to see how they were with my retribution build in near full lawbringer and with spinal reaper, and I must say that I would not have survived without divine shield then run... If you want to take a shot at em, it is great fun, just let us know how you do :thumbsup: