Who is the face-meltiest? Priest or Warlock?

[Steamboat]

Perhaps another class is better overall at melting faces, but I'm asking you to compare a full shadow priest and full destruction warlock, which one is more likely to melt your face?

The reason I ask is that I already have a lvl 60 Lock specced into destruction. I love her, and I love DPS.

For varieties sake I'm rolling a priest. I'm lucky that my guild is well stocked with resto-druids, so endgame with my priest I will be allowed to run instances as full-shadow DPS (basically subbing in my shadow priest for my lock's old position.)

I hear people talk about how much priests melt faces, so I'm wondering: In PVE and PVP, which melts faces more - Shadow Priest or Destro Warlock?

My warlock has conflagrate, shadowburn, and death coil all available to do instant direct damage. I can cast a 1.5 second immolate and then instantly cast the trifecta above for ~3000 dmg non-crit in about 3 seconds. But when I look at the priest talent tree, nothing stands out as a huge source of burst damage. I'm sure Mind Flay is nice, but what else can a shadow priest do for high DPS?

[Daemion]

I have a 49 lock and am levelling a 29 priest.

For DPS? Warlock hands down. Don't forget ur pet attacking at the same time also. :)

[Kateshi]

Technically, only priests can melt faces. But, a shadow priest's damage isnt burst damage. It is sustained damage. But you will soon find that as a priest.....


....faces will melt.

[brandondash]

14 disc / 37 shadow for the face melting win! 1.10 drool

[Metatron]

I see my girls priest reguarly getting 1000+ crits with her Mind Blast / Mind Flay spell at lvl 58. Then we can't forget that she has Shadow Word:Pain, Devouring Plague (forsaken only) and Vampiric Embrace all going at the same time. The Vampiric Embrace has even critted healed her for 200+ during fights. It's a scary sight to behold what she can do with her Shadow Priest.

She also hates duelling. But I guided her through a duel against a 60, purple equipped rogue and she laughed at the simplicity of it. Started the duel by popping up a shield, whacking on Shadow Word:Pain, Devouring Plague and then Vampiric Embrace. Shield dropped. Feared the guy. As he was trinketting , get a Mind Flay in there, guy is already down to half health and it's ticking down fast. Bash shield until it popped up again. A quick flash heal and renew and then cast that Channeled blue spell that she has that slows the movement down. One more time with that channeled spell and a quick smite and the guy drops. She was still at full health and had half a mana bar left.

Face melter? She took down that rogue faster than I could've done with my warlock. But my warlock likes rogues. Especially gnome rogues. More squishier than warriors and tend to drop fast enough for my liking. Taste a bit funny but Metatron can live with that. Now Druids.... I have such a fear of Druids... They own me hard.....

[Steamboat]

Well not to get off-topic but I think I'm allowed to take my own thread off topic.

Against druids your best shot is have any spec with MD and use your felhunter. You can either leave spell lock on auto-cast or do it manually and wait until you know their going to try and heal. Then spell lock their heal and Death Coil / Shadowbolt / Shadowburn for the kill. Be sure to toss on all the DoTs you can because it's hard to CC a druid and if you start winning they will probably run away.

[Metatron]

Last time I had a duel against a druid I took out me faithful succy for the MD bonus and because I had / have no clue on how to use the Fel Hunter at all. I have been practising and making slow (being the objective word here :P) progress with learning that pig dogs style. Druids, when played while, are awesome opponents to go up against. Moon Fire spamming noobs I can take down quick enough. It's all that shapeshifting, healing, dps'ing, tanking, bear shaped thing that confuses me. One minute I'm shooting shadow bolts down the throat of a tiger, to suddenly having searing pains singing the hair of some big bear. But it's when they go into Cow Shape I get my blood up! I just can't stand the overgrown, hippy gits and love to murder overgrown cows whenever the oppurtunity arrives!

Haha! Reminds of the favourite quest chain I have done yet. Was an Apothecarium quest that culminated in some cow drinking a poison and dying at the feet of the apothecarist! Haha! Laughed so hard when I saw her keel over die and realised the true evil nature that lays beneath the surface in the hearts of all the Forsaken!

[brandondash]

Haha! Reminds of the favourite quest chain I have done yet. Was an Apothecarium quest that culminated in some cow drinking a poison and dying at the feet of the apothecarist! Haha! Laughed so hard when I saw her keel over die and realised the true evil nature that lays beneath the surface in the hearts of all the Forsaken!
Metatron sees a psychologist on Tuesday and Thursday of every week. No need to be nervous around him, folks. Move along...

[Steamboat]

Can warriors use intercept while being mind flayed?

[Afballz]

Well it depends on what class you're up against. A dest lock has HUGE burst dmg but all the constitution of a microwaved jelly baby. Good vs healers

A Spriest can achieve scary amounts of sustained dmg + a fair amount of dmg reduction. Good vs non-healers

But overall:

Metatron sees a psychologist on Tuesday and Thursday of every week. No need to be nervous around him, folks. Move along...

I think Brandondash is the face-meltiest

[Metatron]

But overall:



I think Brandondash is the face-meltiest

How do you come back to a statement like that? I've racked my brains all night and can't get a come back for that one :shocked: Hahaha... He hit the nail on the head there! Brandondash = Most Face meltiest :thumbsup:

[det]

Hate to say, but IMHO Shadow priest. They give my warlock hell in PvP and I had the opportunity to PvE with a friends lv 60 priest.

[Steamboat]

Maybe I should have posted in the priest section - but can any Shadow Priest experts tell me what, exactly, are the skills that make them so good at sustained damage?

Is it just of matter of getting SW:P up for shadow weaving, and then vampiric embrace, spam Mind Flay? Is Mind Flay really that awesome?

[Shellar]

My warlock has conflagrate, shadowburn, and death coil all available to do instant direct damage. I can cast a 1.5 second immolate and then instantly cast the trifecta above for ~3000 dmg non-crit in about 3 seconds. But when I look at the priest talent tree, nothing stands out as a huge source of burst damage. I'm sure Mind Flay is nice, but what else can a shadow priest do for high DPS?
A good shadow priest will Silence you in the mid-cast of Immolate, launch a 1.5 second Mind Blast, followed by instant-cast SW:P, Devouring Plague, Vampiric Embrace, and Psychic Scream. By the time you get out of fear, you'll probably get hit by a Mind Flay and another Mind Blast. At this point, your fate is pretty much sealed, as even the aformentioned trifecta won't be enough to kill him, taking into account the shield and VE healing.

If you want to kill a shadow priest, build a demonologist. Barring the element of surprise, Destro just isn't good enough, I'm afraid.

[brandondash]

Is Mind Flay really that awesome?
Yes, yes it is. It has a very high DPM, and when you combine it with +25% shadow damage you are putting out and insane amount of damage for not that much mana.

[Rogueathon]

By far- I am always ruled by a Shadow Priest- I have all Teir1 gear - while the Shadowpriest although he is 60 too- has only Devout blues. He takes me down 100% of the time. While most warlocks Tier 1+ geared - I can usually always beat- 80% of the time- dueling them with full mana. I am combat speced.

Also, I think y this is---- Shadow form= 15% damage takeken + shield +innerfire thing- makes Priest have way more armor than me???!!! It's not fair...

Also the Shadow priest in my guild beats the locks 1 on 1 hands down almost always- the Shields makes the Minion damage useless. Almost alyays the Shdow priest I know (devout wearer- high end blues) will destroy Warlocks 1 on 1 in a duel. I seen him duel may of locks- even with tier 2 suff.

I tell u at first i though priests suck! BUt in the endgame a Shodow Priest rules- the only class that I see giving the priest any problems is Shaman. Remember I am basing this off dueling. I think Shaman and Shadow Priests are the best duelers. Full Mana of course.

And if Shamen dont have Windfury thing up--- usually the priest can take.

I am undead- so is the priest I know-== so he gets that extra Devouring Plague skill and Will of the forsaken- to unward fear....

I'm tot sure but I think Undead Shadow Priests are overpowered.

[Raistlin Majere]

Shadow priests don't scare me that much if I get the drop on them. The thing about them is they go Oom real fast. If worst comes to worst, I can stack enough HoT's and FC enough to counter their DoT's.

Now a Warlock, that is the druid anti-class.

[QuaTrO]

You think shadow priests are scary to a warlock? Try being a warrior. We dont get rage from beating on the shield. I spend like 3/4s of the fight hacking against that damn thing. No rage = no skills = dead warrior

[Xafour]

Me being a warlock has never lost to a Priest before 1.10. And after 1.10 I lost 2 out of 4 fights, and 1 because of the lvl 60 guards in Cenarion Hold turning on me. >< (( I'm a demonology warlock with 6/8 Dreadmist)

[Rogueathon]

"Me being a warlock has never lost to a Priest before 1.10. And after 1.10 I lost 2 out of 4 fights, and 1 because of the lvl 60 guards in Cenarion Hold turning on me. >< (( I'm a demonology warlock with 6/8 Dreadmist)"
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You are on some crazy drugs! I never see a Shadow priest loose to a lock in a Duel. That is the funniest thing that I ever heard!!! LOL- thanks for the laugh! Shadow priest laughs at the minion with his shield. In my opinion--- like I said Ima rogue-- for me anyways: (order of pvp)
1.Shaman
2. Shadow Priest (although some shadow priests can take shaman)
2. Pally ( i have a much tougher time with a priest than a pally)
3. Hunter
4. rogue 4.mage (they beat me 50% of the time)
5. druid
6. Warlock (my ambush usually take a warlock for 80% health- weak)
7. warrior (I am combat speced- so i win against them 80% of the time)

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I am always scared when i see a Shadow Priest- never scared when i see a warlock. I think a lock can take a Holy priest-- but never a Shadow-- especially undead! Undead= Will of forsaken- remove fear/ Devoring plague thing. Undead shadow priests are overpowered. It isn't fair. THe priest in my guild makes me so jealous- I wish i woulda rollled a priest. Well, except the whole healing thing- i would just roll one for pvp- I probably be a bad healer.

The only bad thing about being a Shadow prioest is he is only good for 2 AF kills then when mana runs out- he is useless till he drinks- im sure that might change when he gets tier 1 or tier2 items. Dont know- but 1 on 1 full mana hands down i give to the priest- based on seeing hundreds of Warlock/shadow priest duels. Common now everyone knows that dueling is a Shadow priest thing.

The only bad thing about my buddie being Shadow is that he gets kicked outa may guilds cause they say he isnt a good healr. So - now he is thinking of going Holy- just to get the good gear. THat is why i decided not to roll a priest.

[Glacius]

Im sorry to go against alot of people here but as a warlock i win a fair few battles with shadow preists. Warlocks just have to many tricks up there sleeve's for example who cares if there minion is doing damage subby can pin you down with soothing kiss aswell as a felhunter spell locking you. All you preists must be fighting some pritty lame locks or just badly specced ones. there is a lock in my guild that hit me for 5k damage with a SB in a duel i almost fell of my chair lol. feel free to slate my words =P

[rmvetski]

sorry, aren't felhunters able to gobble up enchantments like PW Shield, Fortitude?

aren't warlocks with 8k+ hp a common thing?

this thread must be a collection of some of the best priests in the world...

[SHaMotema]

U priest and Lock losers!!! Never can take me!!! No- just joking- lol. I think originally this posting is about damge (face-melitist). I think dueling-wise most people would agree Shadow Priest are stronger most of the time-- A good Shadow Priest--that is what they are known for. I have to agree with that Rogue. Dueling one on one is a Shadow Priest's specialty. Sorry Warlocks!

------BUT-----

Who cares about dueling- in the end-game Battlegrounds isnt about dueling-- its damage- and a Shadow Priest is good for a couple of kills-- if that then ---mana bye bye......

Battlegrounds Locks rule- damage-wise-- they dont use as much mana

Priests should always heal in BG- screw Shadow form--they in actuallity do more damage by healing:)

Shaman rule all!

[rmvetski]

^ you got it the other way around, locks get a couple of kills and die, priests can slug it out and stay alive for long periods of time

[Raistlin Majere]

^ you got it the other way around, locks get a couple of kills and die, priests can slug it out and stay alive for long periods of time
Shadow Priests?

Most I see go Oom real fast, and at that point are a free HK.

[rmvetski]

Oom

that's the key though isn't it, and I agree, but the decent ones don't let it get to that point, unless it's that final effort that's supposed to clinch the flag

[Thelorax]

I learned my lesson a long time ago with warlocks. I saw a petless warlock resting after a battle and I snuck up with my druid...


Who knew that Succubi could hide? :ponder:

[SHaMotema]

"I learned my lesson a long time ago with warlocks. I saw a petless warlock resting after a battle and I snuck up with my druid...
Who knew that Succubi could hide?"

no insult to above but--
Druids and warriors are in my opinion the worst pvpers in the game- of course Locks beat druids- the only thing goood about a druid is root....

Also...this forum is about Shadow priest vrs warlocks-- lol

go on a different forum- maybe one called Druids are weak duelers- lol

[Raistlin Majere]

"I learned my lesson a long time ago with warlocks. I saw a petless warlock resting after a battle and I snuck up with my druid...
Who knew that Succubi could hide?"

no insult to above but--
Druids and warriors are in my opinion the worst pvpers in the game- of course Locks beat druids- the only thing goood about a druid is root....

Also...this forum is about Shadow priest vrs warlocks-- lol

go on a different forum- maybe one called Druids are weak duelers- lol
Then you are playing crappy/lagged out Druids. And anyone who plays PvP know Druids are thew ultimate flag runners. Even in World PvP the only classes that bother me are Warlocks and Shadowpriests that know what they are doing.

[Xafour]

^ you got it the other way around, locks get a couple of kills and die, priests can slug it out and stay alive for long periods of time

However warlocks basicly got infinite mana due to life tap, if they just stay back a little and don't draw too much attention they can keep on fighting forever. However as soon as people see a class that can heal it's there #1 target. :laugh:

[labelmeoriginal]

Any class can beat any class depending on the situation.

I've seen some warriors decked out in a few epics take out a 60 hunter and a 60 warlocks, for instance.

Shadow priests aren't particularly overpowered really. I've seen a few rogues gobble a priest up if they get first jump. Trinket fear and stun to prevent spell casting. A little strategy goes a long way in PvP IMHO.

I've seen some warriors decked out in some pretty nice gear annihilate anything in its path.

Believe it or not, first jump + skill is all that matters. :shocked:

[rmvetski]

"I learned my lesson a long time ago with warlocks. I saw a petless warlock resting after a battle and I snuck up with my druid...
Who knew that Succubi could hide?"

no insult to above but--
Druids and warriors are in my opinion the worst pvpers in the game- of course Locks beat druids- the only thing goood about a druid is root....

Also...this forum is about Shadow priest vrs warlocks-- lol

go on a different forum- maybe one called Druids are weak duelers- lol
delete your character,

for real.

[iamthejuggler]

delete your character,

for real.
for serious "-- lol" :undecided:

[moopy]

Believe it or not, first jump + skill is all that matters. :shocked:

No, it's not all that matters, but it helps a very great deal.

That said, a well-equipped shadow-spec priest in the hands of a skilled PvPer can sometimes seem like a bit of a tasteless joke.

BTW, shadow-spec priests are the face-meltiest for sure, for the simple reason that only priests melt faces. The term comes from the melty face icon for the priest shadow talent "mind flay". Other classes might sometimes chuck out more death and destruction, but it still isn't face melting :)

[SHaMotema]

i agree with the guy above me. Thanks for staying on topic. I think shadow priests and warlocks both are awesome.

To the druid that had to putt his 2 cents in- Druids may dish out alot of damage- fact is though- they aren't a dueling class- I am never scared when i see a druid- 1on 1- or don't see one for that matter. Go post on "Druids cry Nerfed" or something. :cry:

One thing the warlock beats priest in is the endgame costume- Shadow priests have it sucky- Warlock and rogue in my opinion has the coolest looking end-game gear :)

BTW, I seen the first duel between a Shadow priest and Holy priest- OMG- the Holy Priest won- that was the first. It was rather funny- i don't think that happens often...:afro:

[iamthejuggler]

I think the priest pvp gear (horde) is the best looking pvp set to be honest. I can't wait to finally get mine!

[moopy]

To the druid that had to putt his 2 cents in- Druids may dish out alot of damage- fact is though- they aren't a dueling class- I am never scared when i see a druid- 1on 1- or don't see one for that matter. Go post on "Druids cry Nerfed" or something. :cry:

A skilled druid can be a force to be reckoned with in PvP. However, watching a druid vs druid fight always feels like watching paint dry. They have the abilities needed to stay alive for an awfully long time, but both usually lack the spike damage needed to actually kill the other- it becomes less of a battle, more erosion.

[Zoya]

I have one of each and I have always thought my priest (when she was full shadow) was the better face-melter out of the two... although my lock is not full destructo - She's an SM/Ruin build.

... Zoya

[Hateblade]

i agree with the guy above me. Thanks for staying on topic. I think shadow priests and warlocks both are awesome.

To the druid that had to putt his 2 cents in- Druids may dish out alot of damage- fact is though- they aren't a dueling class- I am never scared when i see a druid- 1on 1- or don't see one for that matter. Go post on "Druids cry Nerfed" or something. :cry:

One thing the warlock beats priest in is the endgame costume- Shadow priests have it sucky- Warlock and rogue in my opinion has the coolest looking end-game gear :)

BTW, I seen the first duel between a Shadow priest and Holy priest- OMG- the Holy Priest won- that was the first. It was rather funny- i don't think that happens often...:afro:

So far, you have 4 posts under your belt. I've read each, and I don't like any. You are fast getting under my skin.

You need to cool it with your attitude, and your inability to post constructive info/thoughts.

If not, you and Fluffy are going to have a little "Get together".:wink:

[SHaMotema]

Ok= /Smile

This makes 5!

[Thelorax]

i agree with the guy above me. Thanks for staying on topic. I think shadow priests and warlocks both are awesome.

To the druid that had to putt his 2 cents in- Druids may dish out alot of damage- fact is though- they aren't a dueling class- I am never scared when i see a druid- 1on 1- or don't see one for that matter. Go post on "Druids cry Nerfed" or something. :cry:

Are you talking to me still? All I said was that a Warlock totally OMGWTFPNWD my druid when I tried sneaking up on him. how is that not on topic?

[moopy]

The worst thing about those darned warlocks is that I am always reluctant to attack them until I have found the pet. The pesky invisible succubus can certainly be a pain.. I tend to stalk them for a while until I can see the pet, rather than going in guns blazing. I would advise other shadow-spec priests to do the same- at least against warlocks 5 or more levels above. A few unfortunate and ill-advised attempts that ended in a rapid and ignoble demise taught me that one.

/cheer for warlocks, for keeping PvP interesting- lots of nasty tricks to ruin someone's day.

[Heloxian]

A skilled druid can be a force to be reckoned with in PvP. However, watching a druid vs druid fight always feels like watching paint dry. They have the abilities needed to stay alive for an awfully long time, but both usually lack the spike damage needed to actually kill the other- it becomes less of a battle, more erosion.
Same as holy priest vs holy priest oh damn thats so boring. I hate dueling vs holy cuz they both start mana burning each other, then when both are OOM we start wanding and cuz of the mana regen no1 can actually win :P so the raids starts and we both get flamed cuz we need to get to BRM asap ;)

Cuz i agree, shadow priests melt faces, locks i can handle 1on1 but shadow priests are a pain.

[Diamondlights]

Holy priests are strong, with superior mana efficiency and healing, and lots of holy spell crit bonuses that few people have resistance against. Dots are useless in priest duels, so they will generally outlast, outheal a shadow priest's burst dmg, but zat is not ze face-melting way.

I've not duelled many warlocks but lock with felhunter out is the anti-shadow priest and it's GG. Not too many of those about, though. Also Shaman with purge and damn tots - glad I'm Horde.

[Comicus]

Perhaps another class is better overall at melting faces, but I'm asking you to compare a full shadow priest and full destruction warlock, which one is more likely to melt your face?

The reason I ask is that I already have a lvl 60 Lock specced into destruction. I love her, and I love DPS.

For varieties sake I'm rolling a priest. I'm lucky that my guild is well stocked with resto-druids, so endgame with my priest I will be allowed to run instances as full-shadow DPS (basically subbing in my shadow priest for my lock's old position.)

I hear people talk about how much priests melt faces, so I'm wondering: In PVE and PVP, which melts faces more - Shadow Priest or Destro Warlock?

My warlock has conflagrate, shadowburn, and death coil all available to do instant direct damage. I can cast a 1.5 second immolate and then instantly cast the trifecta above for ~3000 dmg non-crit in about 3 seconds. But when I look at the priest talent tree, nothing stands out as a huge source of burst damage. I'm sure Mind Flay is nice, but what else can a shadow priest do for high DPS?
My wife and I are leveling up a priest/lock duo. We couldn't decide which would be better, so we made both. We are in our 40s now and so far, we are loving it. We make a pretty nasty duo.

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[Skahr]

Gnome mage