Hunting down Hunters 10-19 WSG Rogue

[MeoMix]

Hi there!
I completely realise that hunters are a pain in the butt to kill as a rogue, but are there any tactics to it other than trying to run through concussive shots and watching where they drop their traps?

I can kill a hunter in a couple of hits if I can get close enough to them, which is plenty possible in a big, chaotic fight. But when its 1v1, if they're any good at all, I will never be able to get close enough to them.

Should I ever kill their pets? I deal about 100 damage a swing, so they drop in 4-5 hits, but is it worth taking the damage from the hunter to stop the damage from the pet??

[rutty]

Forget the pet, kill the hunter.

They can't scatter shot at that level but if they see you at range you'll end up with either Hunter's Mark or Serpent Sting then full of holes.

When I was in that range (as a Hunter) I found that the rogues often went straight for me and too me out first. Stealth up and avoid the traps if you know where they are. I tended to put the trap next to the flag rather than stand on it, but others may do different. If you surprise them then you'll most likely win, especially in the flag room where there's not much room to run about.

[evilshenanigansXD]

get an icy enchant on offhand...I know it's not gonna proc all that much but your MH can get a much better enchant.

[MeoMix]

I've already got crusader offhand =/ Working to get it on both hands right now.

[twoswords]

I've already got crusader offhand =/ Working to get it on both hands right now.

Oh come on! CRUSADER on weapon in 10-19 bracket? It is people like you who destroy for others so while we are at it, why dont you twink up with HP enchants so you can just walk up to the hunter and kill him while he shoots at you? /sarcasm.

Twinks like that in 10-19 is just sad. :cry:

[Unholy_VI]

Oh come on! CRUSADER on weapon in 10-19 bracket? It is people like you who destroy for others so while we are at it, why dont you twink up with HP enchants so you can just walk up to the hunter and kill him while he shoots at you? /sarcasm.

Twinks like that in 10-19 is just sad. :cry:

Now now calm down.

The real question we ought to be asking is... If you are so twinked that you have crusader at all how in the world do you have trouble with any class so much that you need to post here and ask how to deal with them?

The only thing I can think is that you got nothing but + agility,str gear and enchants and that's made you a glass cannon. Keep the crusaders and do the best stamina enchants and gear with the rest and those big mean level 19 hunters with their lil timmy's peashooters won't be able to pick on you any more I promise.:wink:

I've played a ton in the low level BG's and hunters are by far the best class untwinked in that bracket, but:

Fully twinked rogue > Fully twinked hunter. and fully twinked warriors and paladins seem to out-preform all.

This might start to be very relevant too with the new patch that will increase the amount of rep in wsg and av.

[Ezzaral]

I would suggest that a rogue running 10-19 BGs with Crudsader enchants should Vanish from the BG.

It really is pathetic that people want to play in the low level BGs, but not with equipment suited for those levels.

[MeoMix]

Well, I can take a ton of hits I'll give you that, but Concussive Shot can kite me indefinitely, can't it? Sprint/speed potions get negated by it and if he gets out of combat then I have to start watching for traps. But I guess I'm just gonna get flames here, oh well =P

[jrkernal]

Twinking doesn't bother me. If someone is willing to spend there money on a lvl 19 twink then so be it.


Why do we have the right to tell him/her how to play the game?


Thats right we don't.


No i don't twink, yes i've been killed and killed twinks.

I don't care.

[SpiritWalker]

I have a lvl 28 twink, which I will not lvl beyond 29, not until I am exhalted with WSG anyway. It's a lot of fun, and I am certainly not the only one, there are whole guilds of twinks running around on our server.

[moopy]

Hey, twinks are useful. If you learn your chops against twinked-out people, you're going to be a lot more resourceful and able to cope with better-equipped or more powerful opponents in general.. I find that after fighting twinked out people, my pvp priest rips through mehums at some ludicrous rate.

..and yes, as someone else said, it's pretty telling that someone can twink out a toon to the extent of giving it crusader at lv 19 and still keep losing :)

[Tiddly]

If your a gnome rogue you can use escape artist to stop the slowing effect of concussive shot.. Also as a twink you should be using engineering so make some
target dummys which draw the pet away from you as well :)

[Ezzaral]

Twinking doesn't bother me. If someone is willing to spend there money on a lvl 19 twink then so be it.


Why do we have the right to tell him/her how to play the game?


Thats right we don't.


No i don't twink, yes i've been killed and killed twinks.

I don't care.

For PvE, sure, twink out and tear everything up if you want to. On that side it doesn't really affect the game play of others.

On the PvP side of things however, yeah, I do think we have the right to speak out against the way they exploit the fact that enchants have no level restriction. In that respect it ruins the game play of others who are not twinked to the gills and wish to engage in lower level pvp matches.

If there were a mechanic available in-game to allow players a choice between twink and non-twink BGs, then all would be fine and the twinks could be free to try to rip each other up all they want without affecting the availability of a level playing ground for those who wish to play their characters with equipment of an appropriate level.

Since the devs did not limit levels for enchants, you are correct, they have the right to play their twinks and feed their megalomania. On the other hand, I will also stand by my right to think it's a pathetic abuse of the mechanic and find it deplorable.

/shrug.. so we disagree on that point.

[SpiritWalker]

For PvE, sure, twink out and tear everything up if you want to. On that side it doesn't really affect the game play of others.

On the PvP side of things however, yeah, I do think we have the right to speak out against the way they exploit the fact that enchants have no level restriction. In that respect it ruins the game play of others who are not twinked to the gills and wish to engage in lower level pvp matches.

If there were a mechanic available in-game to allow players a choice between twink and non-twink BGs, then all would be fine and the twinks could be free to try to rip each other up all they want without affecting the availability of a level playing ground for those who wish to play their characters with equipment of an appropriate level.

Since the devs did not limit levels for enchants, you are correct, they have the right to play their twinks and feed their megalomania. On the other hand, I will also stand by my right to think it's a pathetic abuse of the mechanic and find it deplorable.
Only problem is, you bring no real valid point as to why twinks shouldn't be allowed, everyone can get the enchants and everyone can get the blues. To tell you the truth its even easier than at lvl 60 where everyone runs around in full epix, should we make seperate instances for them too, make bg's for only people with epics, because people in blues are in a disadvantage? I don't think so.

Besides, wouldn't be any use to twinking if you got setup against only twinkers, because that would be the same as not twinking and getting setup against other non-twinkers.

Don't see why it's pathetic, pretty strong word, when stuffing a low lvl char full of blues and enchants isn't in any way abusing game mechanics or exploiting. Fact is you just don't have the money and/or free time to grind for the money to do it, so you dispise people who can and do it.

I know it's your opinion, but I find it lacking in good arguments, thus a bad opinion, imo.

[kevagron]

Only problem is, you bring no real valid point as to why twinks shouldn't be allowed, everyone can get the enchants and everyone can get the blues. To tell you the truth its even easier than at lvl 60 where everyone runs around in full epix, should we make seperate instances for them too, make bg's for only people with epics, because people in blues are in a disadvantage? I don't think so.

Besides, wouldn't be any use to twinking if you got setup against only twinkers, because that would be the same as not twinking and getting setup against other non-twinkers.

Don't see why it's pathetic, pretty strong word, when stuffing a low lvl char full of blues and enchants isn't in any way abusing game mechanics or exploiting. Fact is you just don't have the money and/or free time to grind for the money to do it, so you dispise people who can and do it.

I know it's your opinion, but I find it lacking in good arguments, thus a bad opinion, imo.

How about an argument that these uber-twinked toons are also competing against someones main who happens to be level 19 and he will be running around in 10-19 quest gear and probably not even know what an enchant is.

Also your statement about "everyone can get the enchants and everyone can get the blues" is patently false when applied to new players, how many 10-19, or even other level range mains can afford the time, or get lucky on the drops, to compete with someone to whom cash doesn't matter?

These twinks are ruining the BG experience for all new players (surely a bad thing?) - because someones main can afford to spend 100's of gold and probably, camp all the best blues for the level, against people who probably can barely afford to keep buying their spells.

I agree with the previous poster that it is pretty pathetic to twink a lowbie in that manner. Some moderate twinking, maybe "of the eagle" gear and lvl 19 weapons I can live with but overkill like that seems strange to me.

I fail to see how people can enjoy running around way overgeared for their level and wiping out other characters. I could easily afford the money to do this but wouldn't even consider it. It reeks to me of the playground bully syndrome where because one kid is bigger than all the other kids he can bully them and (hardly ever) be punished for it.

Personally I would definitely like to see enchantments being level rated like armour and possibly even a sliding scale of blues/purples where if you are wearing > than the recommended amount you don't even get into the BG (naturally this would be hard to set but not impossible).

The way I dealt with it was to make a personal vendetta to kill on sight any BG player under 29 with a glowing enchant, and try to get 1 or 2 others to help me to kill them on sight. Its quite funny seeing these massively equipped toons running away because when the shoe is on the other foot and they die all the time its not so much fun :tongue:

The problem with this tactic is it takes out 1-3 people to kill these twinkers and by that also gives the opposing side a number advantage purely through gear.

[Unholy_VI]

OK so new fresh 10-19s don't even know

about enchants. A lot of them don't know what an instance is either. Should we then decide its unfair to have gear from instances? In this game, at every level and in every way the new player is and always will be at a disadvantage to a more experienced player who reads forums and other online resources like this one. also the noob level 10-19 who doesn't know about enchants and nice gear BEFORE getting owned by the twinks will definitly be motivated to find out after the encounter.

'Everyone' can't get the enchants ect...

All it takes to be able to make a fairly nicely twinked level 19 alt is a level 40 or so main. It helps if you use certain unmentionable online databases to look up and plan out what gear you want, where to get it it, ect.

A good trick to getting those enchants cheaply is to make a level 5 enchanter (really a disenchanter). My level 53 leather worker has a pattern that's cheap to make and Disenchants into the highest level dusts, shards and essences. When you go up to some enchanter with the full materials for whatever enchant you want the cost drops to a few gold in most cases.

I don't buy gold and think its pretty moronic but apparently more and more people these days are doing that as well to 'keep up' with people who have invested some time and thought and learned to play this game.

No sympathy here for those new players. I was one myself once. start learning and don't be a noob all your life is my advice to them. there is a lot of good information about this game out there. if you can't be bothered to read and use it, you'll probobly never make it out of the 10-19 Bg and you'll probobly get owned pretty hard there.

[SLAKpOOper]

Simple fix to the whole Twink would be to have an extra flag per item.
When an item is flagged, it cant be used in the BG.

When an item is transfered through mail, the flag is set and you can only use items that YOUR 19 character has gotten by THEMSLEVES and not have a higher level character simply farm the blues and mail to your Twink.


Blizzard wont do anything about it... Why?
Well we pay to play the game. If a character going to spend say a month Twinking one of their characters... Hell thats a months subscription in the bag.

:tongue:

[Bryant]

[QUOTE=SLAKpOOper]
Blizzard wont do anything about it... Why?
Well we pay to play the game. If a character going to spend say a month Twinking one of their characters... Hell thats a months subscription in the bag.QUOTE]

Wrong.

Don't forget, we are also paying players. Sure, they might only care about the money they're making (Not I said might, and not that they do.), but they have to sastisfy the paying communitty, and not just those twinked out turds running through 10-19 WSG. Personally, I would want a twink too, but it would be to use against other twinks. If I see a player using gear appropiate for their level, then I'd put away the fiery's and bust out with level appropriate gear, also.

Twinks have gotten way out of control on my server (Bonechewer). The alliance side always has atleast 4 twinks on their team, while the horde is lucky to get one, yet the allies still lose. :laughing: (I <3 my hunter and mage)

[SpiritWalker]

How about an argument that these uber-twinked toons are also competing against someones main who happens to be level 19 and he will be running around in 10-19 quest gear and probably not even know what an enchant is.
L2P. When you're level 10-19 and you just started to play the game, you're probably not even going to beat any player that has experience with the game anyway, for starters. Second of all you can't tell anyone who's making an alt not to buy equipment/enchants for it. Third, there aren't even any new players on my server, you know why, because it is a restricted full PvP server.

Also your statement about "everyone can get the enchants and everyone can get the blues" is patently false when applied to new players, how many 10-19, or even other level range mains can afford the time, or get lucky on the drops, to compete with someone to whom cash doesn't matter?
So what you're saying is because they can't get it, while I can, I shouldn't? Wake up to the real world man.

These twinks are ruining the BG experience for all new players (surely a bad thing?) - because someones main can afford to spend 100's of gold and probably, camp all the best blues for the level, against people who probably can barely afford to keep buying their spells.
These twinks aren't ruining anything, because those who aren't twinks will level and move on, and don't even think about it.

I agree with the previous poster that it is pretty pathetic to twink a lowbie in that manner. Some moderate twinking, maybe "of the eagle" gear and lvl 19 weapons I can live with but overkill like that seems strange to me.
Oh, so now you are going to decide what twinking is allowed and which is not, good going their mister what-I-say-must-go. Ok guys, listen up, green twinking is allowed, but buying blues is forbidden.

I fail to see how people can enjoy running around way overgeared for their level and wiping out other characters. I could easily afford the money to do this but wouldn't even consider it. It reeks to me of the playground bully syndrome where because one kid is bigger than all the other kids he can bully them and (hardly ever) be punished for it.
How about I play on a pvp server and I use every advantage I can get over my opponent?

The way I dealt with it was to make a personal vendetta to kill on sight any BG player under 29 with a glowing enchant, and try to get 1 or 2 others to help me to kill them on sight. Its quite funny seeing these massively equipped toons running away because when the shoe is on the other foot and they die all the time its not so much fun :tongue:
The way I handle people like you who kill my alt, while they outlevel me a lot, is they will have a little run in with my fully epic/legendary geared lvl 60 main.

The problem with this tactic is it takes out 1-3 people to kill these twinkers and by that also gives the opposing side a number advantage purely through gear.
And that is because the opposite faction doesn't twink, right? Right...


When an item is transfered through mail, the flag is set and you can only use items that YOUR 19 character has gotten by THEMSLEVES and not have a higher level character simply farm the blues and mail to your Twink.
Too bad you can send money to your other chars too and just buy the items with the char itself.

[Oatmealsmurf]

The way I handle people like you who kill my alt, while they outlevel me a lot, is they will have a little run in with my fully epic/legendary geared lvl 60 main.

How manly of you... LOL... I could care less really... play how you're gonna play but you do exhibit symptoms of the bully syndrome which is kinda a lame IMO. "you killed my twink ... now here comes big brother epic".

However, it does kind of ruin the game for people who are big into the honor system and are legitimately trying to work their way up in the rankings through BGs. But it's your 15 bucks so if beating up on people who present no challenge whatsoever to you is what you feels makes it worth the money then twink on.

[DarksideKarma]

Twinking ruins Battlegrounds how? I guess since a twink has better gear then a non twink they shouldn't be allowed in the battleground because it's unfair. Might as well not let MC/BWL guilds go into battlegrounds ever because they have better gear then the non raiders. QQ l2p

P.S. If they're in the Level 10-19 Battlegrounds they aren't working there way up very fast. The Honor rep is marginal at that level and they might make 1 rank from level 10-19 before they level out of it and are in the 20-29s

[DarksideKarma]

On the PvP side of things however, yeah, I do think we have the right to speak out against the way they exploit the fact that enchants have no level restriction. In that respect it ruins the game play of others who are not twinked to the gills and wish to engage in lower level pvp matches.

If there were a mechanic available in-game to allow players a choice between twink and non-twink BGs, then all would be fine and the twinks could be free to try to rip each other up all they want without affecting the availability of a level playing ground for those who wish to play their characters with equipment of an appropriate level.

Since the devs did not limit levels for enchants, you are correct, they have the right to play their twinks and feed their megalomania. On the other hand, I will also stand by my right to think it's a pathetic abuse of the mechanic and find it deplorable.

/shrug.. so we disagree on that point.

If it was abusing mechanics it would be a bannable offense or their would be a level cap on enchants like there are on weapons/armor/potions. Maybe one day Blizzard will cater to the whiners and criers and change one of these.

[Ezzaral]

If it was abusing mechanics it would be a bannable offense or their would be a level cap on enchants like there are on weapons/armor/potions. Maybe one day Blizzard will cater to the whiners and criers and change one of these.
Or they will cater to the e-peen-stroking megalomaniacs and not change it...
I won't lose any sleep over it either way. I do believe the "whiner and crier" shoe will be on the other foot though if they restrict the levels on enchants as they should have in the first place.

Defend it all you will, you know that the enchant twinkers are exploiting a loophole in gear level restrictions. You just don't want to see your godmode ambitions interfered with. Some of us, however, would just like to compete in the battlegrounds with characters on par with their intended power for the level.

[DarksideKarma]

I actually don't have a twink nor do I plan to. I just think it's pretty ignorant to not allow better geared opponents if you're in the same level bracket. I'd like to hear how having a level 19 alt differs from just hitting Level 60 and being in all greens and a few blues vs a Level 60 at 70 days played in full tier 2.

[Oatmealsmurf]

The difference is plain as day... it's one "earned" player vs. another "earned" player... and at level 60 you're not going to be as much of a shark in a pool of minnows... meaning the level 60 in greens will more often know what he's doing and may at least be able to compensate for lesser gear somewhat instead of just be getting a feel for the game and being dominated.

A twink is having gear and/or money for enchants mailed to him so he can be decked out in armor that your average 10-19 player would never have a prayer of affording and then on top of that they hold an experience advantage. I'll put it to you this way... it's like a baseball player being on roids before it was a banned substance. Is there anything about it that is technically against the rules? Nope... Does it promote an even field of competition ... absolutely not.

The way you argue it's almost hard to believe you don't have a twink because the difference is obvious. I mean twink to your hearts delight... makes me no difference but I do find it kind of pathetic to get joy out of dominating a playing field where everything is slanted in your favor. I mean big whoop... sounds like a waste of time to me. That would do nothing for my competitive spirit... but I guess variety is the spice of life. *shrug*

I don't think you could really do much about it because there are always going to be exceptions to the rule... maybe some guy just grinded his tail off and cornered the copper market or something, allowing him to purchase all the best enchants. And then it would be unfair to him to disallow it ... I'm not a proponent for changing the system to deal with twinks... but I'm not a proponent of twinks either.

[DarksideKarma]

The difference is plain as day... it's one "earned" player vs. another "earned" player... and at level 60 you're not going to be as much of a shark in a pool of minnows... meaning the level 60 in greens will more often know what he's doing and may at least be able to compensate for lesser gear somewhat instead of just be getting a feel for the game and being dominated.

A twink is having gear and/or money for enchants mailed to him so he can be decked out in armor that your average 10-19 player would never have a prayer of affording and then on top of that they hold an experience advantage. I'll put it to you this way... it's like a baseball player being on roids before it was a banned substance. Is there anything about it that is technically against the rules? Nope... Does it promote an even field of competition ... absolutely not.

The way you argue it's almost hard to believe you don't have a twink because the difference is obvious. I mean twink to your hearts delight... makes me no difference but I do find it kind of pathetic to get joy out of dominating a playing field where everything is slanted in your favor. I mean big whoop... sounds like a waste of time to me. That would do nothing for my competitive spirit... but I guess variety is the spice of life. *shrug*

I don't think you could really do much about it because there are always going to be exceptions to the rule... maybe some guy just grinded his tail off and cornered the copper market or something, allowing him to purchase all the best enchants. And then it would be unfair to him to disallow it ... I'm not a proponent for changing the system to deal with twinks... but I'm not a proponent of twinks either.

So it's unfair that a person worked hard on aquiring level 60, then worked even harder to make money so that he could spend it on another of his characters? I have alts that I make and play them to like level 30. I deck them out in decent gear but I don't play battlegrounds at that level as I see no point. The honor gain is minimal and I'd rather focus on getting that character to 60.

Would it be unfair for me to enter into the BG's if I decided to because my main has almost 100 days played and has plent of gold to spend on my lower level characters. Gold i'll never use on my main because the items I want can't be bought? I'm sorry but if someone worked hard enough to afford the enchants and the gear so that he could play in the battlegrounds with the best gear possible thats his or her decision.

Having superior gear gives you the advantage regardless of the level. It doesn't change when you hit 60, if you're making the argument that your lower level is getting steamrolled by a better equipped person, expect the same thing at level 60 BG's when that AQ geared Warrior with an Ashkandi is owning your face and you can't do anything about it.

[SpiritWalker]

How manly of you... LOL... I could care less really... play how you're gonna play but you do exhibit symptoms of the bully syndrome which is kinda a lame IMO. "you killed my twink ... now here comes big brother epic".
How is killing someone, who feels big by killing my low lvl alt, being a bully, that's like calling the kettle black. I call it simple payback, now if the character that beat me was of same level I wouldn't care cause he beat me, but if you come along with your higher level char and you feel big by killing my low level I will have to teach you a lesson or two about being big.

However, it does kind of ruin the game for people who are big into the honor system and are legitimately trying to work their way up in the rankings through BGs. But it's your 15 bucks so if beating up on people who present no challenge whatsoever to you is what you feels makes it worth the money then twink on.
This is quite funny. Honor farming at level 19-29, seriously you should do stand-up or something. You do understand it's quite useless to even try at that level, right? I get at most if I spend a lot of time on my twink 15k honor, oh yes, I am competing for the number one spot here with the people who get 1,5million honor per week on my server.

And people still present a challenge, the other day a mage of same level beat me by simply using all his skills, pots and bandages, which I applaud, because it was a good fight.

But let me ask you this, do you even play on a pvp server, and if you do, is it a very competive one, because I have this feeling you people, who call me a bully, play pve.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Yeah it's all unfair... for the most part. If buying your character were the goal of the game there wouldn't be provisions in the TOS about gold or equipment selling for real money. It's all buying a character to some degree. You may not be buying a fully decked out epic but it's like comparing two guys one robs a bank and the other takes 10 dollars out of someone's wallet. At the end of the day both are still stealing...

And at the end of the day both players are circumventing the intended method to build a character. You know that... You also know that most twinks are created for the expressed purpose of doing battle grounds and they never go beyond a certain level (so as to not have to deal with other players with too many abilities and/or equipment that can counter their twinks).

You never hear about a guy creating a character to do 50-59 BGs... Only 10-19 or 20-29. And then they won't go into the BGs until they hit the top couple of levels in their grouping. Now why would that be other than to maximize their advantage? And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that at that low level most people won't have many of the abilities that allow them to compensate for an equipment handicap through skillful play yet.

Like I said... I could care less but I'm not just gonna sit here and pretend twinking is something that it isn't or that it doesn't have the potential to ruin the experience for SOME people. People do it because they want to dominate hapless lowbies who can't hope to compete.

[Ezzaral]

So it's unfair that a person worked hard on aquiring level 60, then worked even harder to make money so that he could spend it on another of his characters? I have alts that I make and play them to like level 30. I deck them out in decent gear but I don't play battlegrounds at that level as I see no point. The honor gain is minimal and I'd rather focus on getting that character to 60.

Would it be unfair for me to enter into the BG's if I decided to because my main has almost 100 days played and has plent of gold to spend on my lower level characters. Gold i'll never use on my main because the items I want can't be bought? I'm sorry but if someone worked hard enough to afford the enchants and the gear so that he could play in the battlegrounds with the best gear possible thats his or her decision.

Having superior gear gives you the advantage regardless of the level. It doesn't change when you hit 60, if you're making the argument that your lower level is getting steamrolled by a better equipped person, expect the same thing at level 60 BG's when that AQ geared Warrior with an Ashkandi is owning your face and you can't do anything about it.

Personally, I don't really have a problem with twinking out alts with gear that is the best usable at that level. At least it was designed for those levels. It's only the high level enchants that I really disagree with. Given that they put level limits even on something so trivial as food and drink, I am really surprised they let the enchants slip through. They did though, so it's not "illegal" by any means, just unfortunate in my opinion.

[Oatmealsmurf]

How is killing someone, who feels big by killing my low lvl alt, being a bully, that's like calling the kettle black. I call it simple payback, now if the character that beat me was of same level I wouldn't care cause he beat me, but if you come along with your higher level char and you feel big by killing my low level I will have to teach you a lesson or two about being big.


This is quite funny. Honor farming at level 19-29, seriously you should do stand-up or something. You do understand it's quite useless to even try at that level, right? I get at most if I spend a lot of time on my twink 15k honor, oh yes, I am competing for the number one spot here with the people who get 1,5million honor per week on my server.

And people still present a challenge, the other day a mage of same level beat me by simply using all his skills, pots and bandages, which I applaud, because it was a good fight.

But let me ask you this, do you even play on a pvp server, and if you do, is it a very competive one, because I have this feeling you people, who call me a bully, play pve.

I have a PVP character and a PVE character... that's really beside the point. Your lazy rationalization of trying to pigeon hole people who see through you is to be expected. I wouldn't call you a bully by the way... that's giving people a little too much power. I said you were exhibiting tendencies of that mindset and you are. Don't get mad at me because you fit the profile.

And just because honor farming is pointless at 20-29 doesn't mean those players know that... so the result still remains the same whether they are maximizing their honor return or not. Some guy who wants to be overpowered for his level running through guys that don't stand a chance. And congrats to the mage that took you down... but guess what? I'm sure there is a kid out there in 9th grade that can beat me in Basketball... that doesn't mean I need to go back down to the Jr. High Level and compete.

That's what you're doing no matter how you try to slice it... and that's your right like I said... but you make me laugh trying to act like that's not what you're doing.

[SpiritWalker]

Yeah it's all unfair... for the most part. If buying your character were the goal of the game there wouldn't be provisions in the TOS about gold or equipment selling for real money. It's all buying a character to some degree. You may not be buying a fully decked out epic but it's like comparing two guys one robs a bank and the other takes 10 dollars out of someone's wallet. At the end of the day both are still stealing...
You'll have to explain the relevance of this to me, how you compare me decking out my alt with great items for it's level is the same as robbing someone.

And at the end of the day both players are circumventing the intended method to build a character. You know that... You also know that most twinks are created for the expressed purpose of doing battle grounds and they never go beyond a certain level (so as to not have to deal with other players with too many abilities and/or equipment that can counter their twinks).
You might not know this, but because of the level my twink is at, it can't counter certain abilities of my opponents yet either, because I don't own the skills yet. So as far as twinking goes, it's all about stats, and has nothing to do with skill(s).

You never hear about a guy creating a character to do 50-59 BGs... Only 10-19 or 20-29. And then they won't go into the BGs until they hit the top couple of levels in their grouping. Now why would that be other than to maximize their advantage? And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that at that low level most people won't have many of the abilities that allow them to compensate for an equipment handicap through skillful play yet.
You won't see anyone creating a lvl 50-59 twink, because it's silly, might as well just level it to 60, because it is practically the same.
And I never claimed I didn't do it to maximize my advantage, because that's the whole point, especially in PvP, to maximize your advantage over your opponent.
There's plenty of abilities at that level that multiple classes can use that can overcome better gear.

Like I said... I could care less but I'm not just gonna sit here and pretend twinking is something that it isn't or that it doesn't have the potential to ruin the experience for SOME people. People do it because they want to dominate hapless lowbies who can't hope to compete.
Obviously you do care otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. People will always have something to whine about when they lose in PvP it seems. Now if you really don't care you'd say let them twink their hearts out, at level 30 I am not bothered by them anymore, or will you?

[SpiritWalker]

I have a PVP character and a PVE character... that's really beside the point. Your lazy rationalization of trying to pigeon hole people who see through you is to be expected.
Right.. because I lost here, and you won right, I forgot that people on forums are always right over me, stupid of me.

I wouldn't call you a bully by the way... that's giving people a little too much power. I said you were exhibiting tendencies of that mindset and you are. Don't get mad at me because you fit the profile.
If I act like a bully and I fit the profile of a bully, then how come I am not a bully. Come on, you're making no sense here.

And just because honor farming is pointless at 20-29 doesn't mean those players know that... so the result still remains the same whether they are maximizing their honor return or not. Some guy who wants to be overpowered for his level running through guys that don't stand a chance. And congrats to the mage that took you down... but guess what? I'm sure there is a kid out there in 9th grade that can beat me in Basketball... that doesn't mean I need to go back down to the Jr. High Level and compete.
Oh I am so sorry, I didn't know that I had to care about the ignorant.
The way you talk makes it really sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, because people can and will still beat, I just made it harder for them and easier for me.
And quit the real life comparisons btw, because the whole basketball thing doesn't even compare, you comparison sounds more that of what was discussed earlier, the level difference.

That's what you're doing no matter how you try to slice it... and that's your right like I said... but you make me laugh trying to act like that's not what you're doing.
I never acted like I didn't try to maximize my advantage. The fact that you don't understand how the game is played is not my fault. If you try to be all righteous and stuff fine by me, but you'll get burned, seriously burned at higher levels.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Nah actually I really don't care but I think it's amusing when people get defensive over what they do and try to justify it in all sorts of crazy ways just so they don't have to admit that it ain't all on the up and up. I don't spend a lot of time in BGs... I prefere PVPing out in the world. BGs tend to be a jumble of disorganization unless you have a preformed group and it just isn't that serious to me.

If I want to play a squad based battle/strategy game I'll get out my PS2 and put in Socom. I much prefer that to BGs.

And of course it isn't about talents/skills... that's my whole point. Having a low level twink (instead of a higher one) makes the gear the ultimate trump card. And that's why people make low level twinks and nothing higher. And a twink not only didn't earn said stats but he's got stats that are truly not normal for players on his lvl which shifts the balance completely in his favore without him having do to anything other than grind mobs two lvls lower than him out in the Barrens for a few hours.

To me it says something about people who choose to do this... and it makes me laugh. If that means I care to you it makes you feel better to believe that's the case then fine... I can live with you thinking that.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Anyway this has gone on long enough now... have a nice day spirit. Twink on, brother!!!

[SpiritWalker]

Anyway this has gone on long enough now... have a nice day spirit. Twink on, brother!!!
My last say in this is that certain people will always have some advantage over the other it's inevitable. Twinking is just one of those ways, if you want complete fair pvp then an MMO is the wrong game, because in games like this it comes to gear and skill (and class sometimes..), and you need both to be succesfull. And I know this from playing a lot of BG's and outdoor PvP. I play to win, it's as simple as that, I am not abusing any game mechanics, not using any hacks, exploits or doubtful macros, I am not doing anything that any other person can't do, even lowbies/newbies can level their character to 60 and then make a pvp twink.

What it comes down to is that you don't agree with an option that is possible in this game, and that's your right, but it's also my right to defend myself for doing something that's perfectly normal in this game.

[DarksideKarma]

Yeah it's all unfair... for the most part. If buying your character were the goal of the game there wouldn't be provisions in the TOS about gold or equipment selling for real money. It's all buying a character to some degree. You may not be buying a fully decked out epic but it's like comparing two guys one robs a bank and the other takes 10 dollars out of someone's wallet. At the end of the day both are still stealing...


I can't help but laugh at this. I'm sorry, but thats the furthest from what people do. I don't understand how you equate someone spending hours on their level 60 farming for gold to send to there lower level so they can purchase enchants and armor/weapons to actually buying characters and gold from the internet. It's not buying a character to any degree. You're buying the gear. When you buy the gear, the character doesn't magically turn into a level 29. You spend the time leveling him/her up. If you can honestly compare funding an alt to two bank robbing and seriously mean it, you've got some problems.

[Hateblade]

Lordy, this thread took a dive into left field.
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