Please help me choose: Warrior or Rogue

[tumppigo]

Hi all!

I now have alot of spare time during most evenings since my girl friend moved to another country :-( for a long time.

I will now start a new main toon on a quite fresh pve server. My problem is that I can't choose which class to start with. Rogue or Warrior? I know that as a warrior I'll often tank in groups, and I'm looking forward to that. What I want to know is how good I can be as dps machine in groups as warrior? See my specific questions below. I post this in the general forum to get response from all classes.

PLEASE: Do not start whining about classes, just give me your honest opinions about warrior vs rogue for dps and willingness of others to include a second warrior in groups for dps.

My questions:

How easy/fast are warriors really when soloing/leveling, with the correct build? Do they easily cope with yellow mobs without having to spend all their money in th AH for gear upgrades? I know rogues do fine here.

In theory, can a warrior with the correct build dps enough compared to a rogue if there already is a tank in the group? (both leveling instances and end game raids).

When grouping, will people much rather have rogue for dps or will they accept/enjoy that a second warrior in a group is fine for dps (if so)? (both leveling instances and end game raids).

I hope you guys can help me choose, I'm so confused....

[Mr_McGee]

Just a warning that you will have way more trouble finding a group as a pure DPS warrior, for 5 man instances it will be next to impossible or at least very hard. Everyone will expect you to slap on a shield (which you can do just fine with a DPS build) and tank.

The end-game raid guild Im in for example is just making its way through Molten Core so we require all warriors to be protection speced and come with good tanking gear. A more experienced and well equiped guild may allow you to be a DPS warrior because they have more room for error.

From your tone Id recommend just going for a rogue, it seems like you are asking if you can mold a warrior into the role a rogue is supposed to fit and although it is possible it may be more hassle then its worth.

To answer some of your specific questions, warriors are very gear dependant but that doesnt mean that they are AH dependant. You simply have to look for the quests/mobs that the best loot comes and do those quests and grind those mobs. Also a warrior is great when soloing, I got my warrior to 60 soloing a lot, but I find that we arent that effective when you pull more than 2 mobs.

[tumppigo]

Thank you for the great reply!

I'd love to be the tank and I'm not that interested in making top dps, more about how viable/wanted I would be in groups/raids as dps when there alredy is a tank.

Example: While I'm leveling a group wants members to SM. They have a tank, will they then turn me down and hold out for a rogue?

My fear is that if the tank spot is taken in groups (there are many warriors on the server, and rogues) I will not be able join....

Keep the replies coming!!

[juvestar15]

I guess you have to break it down, this is how I see it. You have 3 things to take not of.

1.) Soloing
Any class can solo. Don't pick a class based on this. I know you have to get to 60 and want it to be easy but once you get to 60 that is it, all those good advantages of a soloable class don't matter anymore. All that matters from then on is your role in raids/groups.

2.) Groups
Path 1.10 will see a change in the level 60 instances. In my opinion, that brings up two points. a.) Reduced numbers means it will be harder. Which in turn makes people less inclined to invite 2 of the same class. b.) Being harder to complete, groups will want to be very specific on class to fit the strategy.

The downside of those two points would be, you wouldn't be chosen over a rogue to DPS and you won't be chosen over a defensive specced warrior to tank.

3.) Raids
I haven't had any experience except 1 boss in ZG. We had a warrior tank it with only 11 points in protection. He did an incredible job, never lost agro. With ZG, we got the core members.... healers, tanks, DPS then worked to fill it up with whatever we could get. I'm not too sure on how much damage warriors can actually do compared to others so I can't comment on whether a raid would take say a 5th, 6th or 7th rogue over a dps warrior. I have a mate who is a shaman in his 50's. He already has all his MC gear because his raid could afford 1 player doing nothing. When my guild has more healers, I'm respeccing my Druid back to feral. This might be the case for your guy.


From experience with a 40 rogue and 30 warrior this is what I can tell you. Warriors are intense and full on. If there is agro on the healer and he dies, it's your fault. If your team wipes because the mob wasn't attacking you, then you weren't tanking right. There are exceptions of course, but I tend to be very hard on myself. I certainly don't blame others but there are times when you're in a group and you see where someone went wrong and you know they aren't good. With my Rogue I just sat there spamming sinister strike. It's a real no brainer 90% of the time. Not to say it's not intense, but I could back off and no one could single me out.

I'll tell you what happened in ZG a few weeks back. We were flying through it, we decided to do the snake boss first, got up to him in no time. We wiped 2 times on him because the tank lost agro. The raid blamed the tanks. The third attempt we got him to 10% and by that time, the healers were out of mana and peopel were dropping. No one was blamed for that, but maybe the DPSers should have been blamed? We got him eventually and moved onto the water boss. We wiped twice on this guy because the tanks died. The raid blamed the healers.

So generally, warriors(tanks) and healers will be the first to cop a mouthful when things go bad. That's what you've got to think of when picking your class.

[tumppigo]

Very good help juvestar15, thx!

It's very true about the blame, did not think so much about that. As an old healer I do know the drill and I enjoy having responsibility.

[zelkirb]

Me personally like the Rogue better because well in the later levels they can be steathled and sprint making traveling much easier if one does not have a mount, and they ca nhold fairly well on there own giving the man advantage.
Not to mention if one can get sneak attack off of an enemy they have almost no chance.

[Mr_McGee]

Thank you for the great reply!

I'd love to be the tank and I'm not that interested in making top dps, more about how viable/wanted I would be in groups/raids as dps when there alredy is a tank.

Example: While I'm leveling a group wants members to SM. They have a tank, will they then turn me down and hold out for a rogue?

My fear is that if the tank spot is taken in groups (there are many warriors on the server, and rogues) I will not be able join....

Keep the replies coming!!
Yes, you may have trouble getting into a group if they already have a warrior because your are not taking a rogue only spot you are taking a DPS spot which can be filled by numerous classes like mages, warlocks and hunters. Ive personally cant remember the last time I was in a 5 man group with more than one warrior.

If you are a warrior and you want to go into an instance you are pretty much stuck been the tank plain and simple.

[Aerath]

Ive personally cant remember the last time I was in a 5 man group with more than one warrior.

Did a DM Tribute run with 3 warriors, myself (30feral,21resto druid) and a priest...

Let's just say that went a lot less smooth than had we brought either a Rogue, Warlock or a Mage along. The lack of crowd control really was noticable.