Selling Twink Items

[rgirty]

There was a good thread going previously about twinks and twink items. I have a question with a little different spin. Until this weekend I had always bought and sold 90% of my items on the AH. Occasionally I would advertise something in the trade channel very cheaply if I had gotten it as a drop or had multiple of the item and didn't want to drive the price down for it. I have never had any problems with this and generally making a considerable amount of $.

I then had the unfortunate luck of acquiring an assasin's blade. These go for anywhere from 400-750G on my server. I thought, i'll sell this for 200G do a quick turnaround and reinvest the money elsewhere also I won't be inflating the market anymore than it currently is and at the same time avoid the AH fees. So I calmly type in the trade channel "WTS (item) 200g pst please"

I am then bombarded by tells from level 17-25 rogues basically complaining.
The bulk of them consisted of the following information.

Joo R stupid.
Sell it to me for 3G I need it.
That will never sell for that much, NUB!
Stop price gouging!@!

I had a couple of interesting conversations with a few people, all this time there were multiple of this item on the AH for 400+ starting bid.

I quickly sold it to a lvl 60 toon that was buying it for his twink, no suprise.

My question is, did I deserve to be flamed for selling the item for so much? Should I have sold it for less to someone who "needed" it?

I would appreciate the feedback as I spend at least 50% of my wow time buying/selling items.

[Grendo]

You don't deserve to be flamed. I see nothing wrong with what you did, in fact you undercut the 'gouging' price by a good deal. These are simply toons who don't understand the economy on their server or somehow think that flaming you in tells is going to fix the inflation occuring on all major servers as more and more people hit 60 and get bored, thus rolling alts. You should feel justified in the price you sold it for as it was obviously considered fair by a 60 toon who understood the market. Had you spammed IF for 3 weeks without buyers, well then you might have had to reconsider. ;)

I have seen this conversation become much louder recently, especially leveling up a new alt towards 60, and putting him in a casual guild of people with single toons in the 40-60 range, most taking 30+ days /played to ding 60. Nothing wrong with that, but they definitely have a different viewpoint of what is 'fair' or what should be considered 'cheating'. Its an interesting conversation everytime.

[Imrei]

My question is, did I deserve to be flamed for selling the item for so much? Should I have sold it for less to someone who "needed" it?

If its your item, sell to whomever gives you the most $$$... you gotta earn a living... I mean, yeah.. you can be nice.. but just because you have an uber item for sale does not mean you OWE it to anyone to just give it away cheap.....

[Valas Azuviir]

All I can say is, some people are a valid excuse for retro-active birth control. *sigh*

And, no you weren't wrong in what you did, anyone with even half an iota of common sense should be capable of seeing that.

[WingedNazgul]

I thought, i'll sell this for 200G do a quick turnaround and reinvest the money elsewhere also I won't be inflating the market anymore than it currently is and at the same time avoid the AH fees.

Bet you won't think twice about selling for market value now, eh? :laugh:

[Cthonctic]

Did you deserve the shouting? No. Should you have seen it coming anyway? Yes, I think so.
Always remember that total or partial anonymity plus a big forum (trade chat and whispers in this case) convinces people that they can comment on anything to their heart's content. If any of these comments were justified is a case by case decision...

That being said there is a certain market price for most items and no need to offer it significantly lower. Undercutting is a legitimate practice and giving gifts to random people who "need" can be done with stuff that's easy to come by like some leather, but not with world drops. Either you have buddies that you think will use it to best effect of to the highest bidder it should go.
Thus, whenever I don't put things into the auction house I announce them for "xx gold or best offer", always being aware that some flaming is to be expected.

Cheers.

[Duchel]

I tried to sell a Ring of the Underwood in a similar way (ended up getting 45g from the AH), and got a similar response. Basically, I got the normal "You will never get that", "It's not worth anything like that much" and "
OMG you're a noob" responses. 45g and my first mount later, who's the noob now?

[Steamboat]

I had the exact same thing happen with the ring of the Underwood, dozens of people telling me I'm an idiot and it's only worth 50s. Just don't listen to them. I made 40g by posting it on the AH.

[SkipsH]

Ran SFK at level 19 wih 3 guildies and a hunter for meteor shard, at the mob just before argual this dagger dropped and as my guild had all passed I hit need and so did the hunter. I rolled 1, he rolled 100. Saw it on AH the next day for 200g man was I pissed. I was actually going to use it.

In my time Ive seen some searing blades and each one Ive put on AH has had numerous tells from people telling me that they will give me 30g for it now and the price I had put it up for was stupid...all sold. I think as long as people pay it it doesnt matter, sure you could sell it for 20g but that person is just going to turn around sell it for 40 and ask you for another two.

[craigbeere]

I've seen items advertised in the trade channel as "[Item of uberness] 20g (several at auction for 30g)". Maybe this is a good way to avoid some of the "that will never sell for that much" messages?

Cheers
Craig

[Xaero]

I either ignore those whispers or reply back with something like "I guess your not going to buy it then. goodbye." You can charge whatever you want. If people will pay it, then I don't see why you wouldn't.

[Calli]

Sure, your [Twink Dagger of l337n3$$] (lvl 19 required) might not be worth 200/400/600g, but what it's worth and what it will sell for, sadly have nothing to do with each other.

[Loriel]

Well, the way the economy works, what the items sells for and what it's "worth" is pretty much the same thing. An item is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it, no more no less. The price varies wildly between servers, ofc - every market is different.

I'm amazed that people actually pay 4-500g for a Glowing Brightwood Staff, but as that is the consistent AH price then that is the market value of that item. Same goes for lvl 19 or 29 blues for BG twinks.

[Ailill]

Always the good old debate between ethics and trying to get money for our epic mounts. ;)

I personnally don't think it was wrong. Sure, if I had a level 19 char who could use it and see it pass at such a price, I'd likely sigh and mourn. On the other hand, let's be honest, if it WILL sell for such a price, we'd be IDIOTS to not sell it! It's a game, nothing states in the rules that we are to be Mother Teresa, give away everything, and then in turn be forced to grind elementals and crap for weeks on end, instead of trying to sell what we were lucky enough to get. Moreover, these people who complain, perhaps in 30 levels, they'll be the ones selling such things at high price, not caring about the poor little level 19 anymore? Who knows.

Yeah, it's sad to see such prices, but experience in life and in game taught me that if you don't do it, someone else will, will get the cash, and you'll anyway still be left out there in the cold with no money. *shrugs*

[KalziEast]

I'm exactly like the guy who posted this... Everyone else is selling an item for 300g, while I go "/2 (Trade Channel) Wts *Insert 300g thing here* for VERY cheap... Whisper me with prices you think are fair, but, not accepting what I feel is sort of a rip off. Whisper me." I then get whispers of "2g" etc. finally I get real people who are like "The max I'll pay is 200g, seeing I only have that much... Lol." so I say "How's 180g sound?" and we trade and they're happy, and I usually make a friend out of it.

[Naedea]

Sure, your [Twink Dagger of l337n3$$] (lvl 19 required) might not be worth 200/400/600g, but what it's worth and what it will sell for, sadly have nothing to do with each other.

Actually they are identical.

[Imrei]

[QUOTE=SkipsH]Ran SFK at level 19 wih 3 guildies and a hunter for meteor shard, at the mob just before argual this dagger dropped and as my guild had all passed I hit need and so did the hunter. I rolled 1, he rolled 100. Saw it on AH the next day for 200g man was I pissed. I was actually going to use it.
QUOTE]

Meteor Shard should be BoP

[Vindictive]

[QUOTE=SkipsH]Ran SFK at level 19 wih 3 guildies and a hunter for meteor shard, at the mob just before argual this dagger dropped and as my guild had all passed I hit need and so did the hunter. I rolled 1, he rolled 100. Saw it on AH the next day for 200g man was I pissed. I was actually going to use it.
QUOTE]

Meteor Shard should be BoP
Think you will find he meant the BoE dagger dropped from one of the son's of arugal before arugal himself :rolleyes:

@ Imrei: a-holes like that really p*** me off, not much you can do other than slap him on the ignore list.

Vindi

[swaldman]

I had a similar one recently. Orb of Deception dropped. They go in the AH for about 180g or so on my server (despite having no discernable use!). I put one up for 175g bid and 190 BO, or thereabouts.(I think - don't remember).

The next day, when I logged in, I had two messages in my mailbox saying "you are a n00b that will never sell sell it to me for 70g" (one was almost exactly in those words), together with the big fat AH cheque for 190g =8-)

[jibbrish]

Undercutting existing sellers is part of playing the AH but it will engender some negative feelings on the part of the person who's sale is being undercut. One way around this is to use an alt / mule for your sales. Although the alt may still get the /w's and the emails at least those opinions won't be attached to your main.

Or just use the AH instead, i've never been emailed for undercutting someone on the AH...

[Sionzen]

Always the good old debate between ethics and trying to get money for our epic mounts. ;)

I personnally don't think it was wrong. Sure, if I had a level 19 char who could use it and see it pass at such a price, I'd likely sigh and mourn. On the other hand, let's be honest, if it WILL sell for such a price, we'd be IDIOTS to not sell it! It's a game, nothing states in the rules that we are to be Mother Teresa, give away everything, and then in turn be forced to grind elementals and crap for weeks on end, instead of trying to sell what we were lucky enough to get. Moreover, these people who complain, perhaps in 30 levels, they'll be the ones selling such things at high price, not caring about the poor little level 19 anymore? Who knows.

Yeah, it's sad to see such prices, but experience in life and in game taught me that if you don't do it, someone else will, will get the cash, and you'll anyway still be left out there in the cold with no money. *shrugs*


Market forces are..market forces. I was tempted to keep the assassin blade I found for a twink but since my twink isn't a rogue I can sell it and use half of that cash for an epic mount and half on an even better sword for my warrior twink.

Folks who are leveling toons and thus not twinking for a pvp twink are dumb to spend a lot of money on blues etc.. Sure they help you level but in the end you just don't use them that long as you level up too fast. Some items are worth it but most are not, unless its something like a krol blade or a lvl 50-59 item, those you might use awhile and past lvl 60. I gave one of my alts some blues from SM etc., probably worth 80g total but I made them last for 10-12 levels.

[Mordiceius]

Sure, your [Twink Dagger of l337n3$$] (lvl 19 required) might not be worth 200/400/600g, but what it's worth and what it will sell for, sadly have nothing to do with each other.

Worth is all perspective. To you it is worth nothing. This is why you are selling it. To the 60, it was worth 200g. To a merchant, it was probably worth 30 silver. To a newbie, it was probably worth 2 gold.

[rgirty]

I don't believe in using an alt to bypass hard feelings. I feel that is just a way to try and treat people badly with anonymity. I sell items for less than the going rate pretty commonly. I get a lot of return business this way, i will get tells asking if i have anything on sale. Some people even send me tells when they loot an item for a price check, and if i would like to buy the item. Sometimes I do, and they cod it to me.

As far as someone needing something, then putting it on the ah... that is very nasty! I had that happen once with an item i truly could have used.

[Xaero]

I use an alt to sell things not to hide my identity, but to keep my main relatively broke. I can't save money in the game. If I see something that I have the money for and want, I usually buy it. If I'm on an alt, its easier (for me) to not be so impulsive. Then again, sometimes I buy items and turn around and relist them for more. Those times I'd rather be anonymous.

[rgirty]

ah! The old mailing money to an alt trick! I have set limits on my spending so I do pretty well without an alt to mail to now, but I think if I would have early on I would have more to show for it now.

[Bigairbrucey]

Capitalism is what made America great ....

[Ammon]

I use an alt to sell things not to hide my identity, but to keep my main relatively broke. I can't save money in the game
Hehe I do the same thing , one Alt to handle all sales & act as a bank for all my characters.

I keep about 6g on my main and any character I play , and mail all cash , and spare good / disenchantables / AH goods to that one alt and manage all sales from there.
It also keeps me from nuking my bank on a whim when I happen to see something for sale , hehe.
not for Anonymous Trading , But to simplify my AH business , I also buy most stuff using that alt and mail to the Relevant Character :)

~
As for lower level blues well , I tend to use Landmark Blue weapons , but Green armors to cover basic stats while levelling a new character :)

[Andouille]

I dont see ANYTHING wrong with selling it for 200g In fact, I would have bought it from you and then resold it for 325 (75 below AH) and made myself a small profit as well.:wink:

[PurpleDragon]

That is very odd, the assassin's blade rarely goes for more than 100g on our server.

I always reply to people indicating that the AH prices are items that have NOT sold. Using an AH price as a guildline is just downright foolishness.

Now I do not know what things go for on your server, but on mine, I would have said something.

I will say this, if you use the trade channel, expect to get the nasty replies unless you are giving it away, a lot of people have great resentment to what the farmers have done to our economy.

[KalziEast]

Yeah, I hate how some people take daggers and stuff that are level 18-19 and just sell them when you could use them...

[bwirum]

Do I sense some weird kind of sarcasm in your post Kalzi?

[Mordiceius]

Yeah, I hate how some people take daggers and stuff that are level 18-19 and just sell them when you could use them...

lawl cause god forbid they make profit off their work ;)

[rabidstoat]

I found some level 19 ring in a drop that had a pretty good bonus to stamina on it, think it was just a green, but high stamina rings are rare at that level. I forget what I sold it for, but it was an obscene mount for a level 19 ring (though certainly not triple-digit gold).

At first I felt a little bad selling it that high, and I did get a few whispers about it being priced too high. I just responded politely and left it up and, sure enough, it sold.

My reasoning is, I feel shut out of PvP because of those level 19 and 29 combat twinks. If they're going to rob me of the fun of casual PvP, at least I'm going to get some gold out of it. Besides, if someone's not a PvP twink, all they have to do is wait to hit level 20 and gear prices drop astronomically. If someone isn't planning on sticking around level 19 to PvP, it shouldn't take too terribly long to level.

[KalziEast]

Then again, sometimes I buy items and turn around and relist them for more. Those times I'd rather be anonymous.

Honestly, I hate when people do that... I mean, yes, I'd get flamed for it, but I sell my stuff for around 1/2 price of everyone else for people who NEED it, not for people who want to make a profit.

[WingedNazgul]

Honestly, I hate when people do that... I mean, yes, I'd get flamed for it, but I sell my stuff for around 1/2 price of everyone else for people who NEED it, not for people who want to make a profit.

That's funny. I absolutely love it when people like you do that. :wink:

[KalziEast]

Mordiceius, I just saw your post, when you're level 18-19, and they're level 20+ that just want to go to help you or something, then everyone agrees on "Pass on blue, and BoP" and then when that dagger drops they roll need after everyone passes, that's not "just making a profit" that's ninja'ing and stealing from ME when I could have used the dagger at that level.

Edit: Yeah, you're hilarious Winged, you people are the reason why people up their prices to make sure people don't just buy it to sell it for BARELY less than the others.

[rgirty]

I guess i got whacked with the karma stick, yesterday i accidentally bought a mat for a chant that should have been 9G. I didn't look real close and bought one that someone had set to 99G. I realize they do this, just to catch people like me who weren't paying real close attention. This was totally my fault, i shrugged my shoulders and said oh well. However, unlike selling twink items I believe this practice is an attempt to rip people off. They set their starting bid at 1 copper, and a 99G buyout this puts them at the top of the price list if you sort by pricing. NASTY!

[WingedNazgul]

Edit: Yeah, you're hilarious Winged, you people are the reason why people up their prices to make sure people don't just buy it to sell it for BARELY less than the others.

Yes, I lose sleep at night knowing people were forced to make more money on their auctions.

[Naedea]

Mordiceius, I just saw your post, when you're level 18-19, and they're level 20+ that just want to go to help you or something, then everyone agrees on "Pass on blue, and BoP" and then when that dagger drops they roll need after everyone passes, that's not "just making a profit" that's ninja'ing and stealing from ME when I could have used the dagger at that level.

If you agree to a loot mechanism that is exploitable, then you run that risk.
Why don't you roll need/greed in the first place instead of all passing?
I know that's the standard on some servers, but I don't understand why.

[Mordiceius]

Mordiceius, I just saw your post, when you're level 18-19, and they're level 20+ that just want to go to help you or something, then everyone agrees on "Pass on blue, and BoP" and then when that dagger drops they roll need after everyone passes, that's not "just making a profit" that's ninja'ing and stealing from ME when I could have used the dagger at that level.

Edit: Yeah, you're hilarious Winged, you people are the reason why people up their prices to make sure people don't just buy it to sell it for BARELY less than the others.

You just want cheap handouts. I never went to the auction house or in any city to buy my goods. When I grinded my character to 60, if I saw an item I wanted, I would just go get it myself instead of expecting people to sell it to me for cheap. Plus, BOPs are ALMOST ALWAYS better than BOEs. It's pointless to get hung up on not getting that perfect boe you want at that level if you are going for 60 because you switch out gear so fast anyways. If I get a lvl 19 blue BOE, I will have worked to get that so it is my fair right to sell it for whatever someone is willing to pay. Welcome to capitalism 101.

[AeroJonesy]

Mordiceius, I just saw your post, when you're level 18-19, and they're level 20+ that just want to go to help you or something, then everyone agrees on "Pass on blue, and BoP" and then when that dagger drops they roll need after everyone passes, that's not "just making a profit" that's ninja'ing and stealing from ME when I could have used the dagger at that level.


Or it could be that he went in at level 60 and farmed it.

[Mordiceius]

Or it could be that he went in at level 60 and farmed it.

Exactly, if I'm in a party and someone needs something, they get it, but I'm not going to take the dagger to Orgrimmar and sell it for cheap just because some lowbie could use it. BOE items are a luxury, they are not needed to get your char to 60.

[dgrampa]

I am then bombarded by tells from level 17-25 rogues basically complaining.
The bulk of them consisted of the following information.

Joo R stupid.
Sell it to me for 3G I need it.
That will never sell for that much, NUB!
Stop price gouging!@!

I don't feel like reading another whole thread about this, so I apologize in advance if this has already been said. Are you really that concerned by what a bunch of immature kids that don't know any better say to you? All 4 of the statements you listed are rediculous. Are you also bothered by the general chat in elwynn/barrens so much that you actually join in the conversation to argue? What you should have done is listed that thing for 399g on the AH and made the extra money.:thumbsup:

[windrunner]

I am then bombarded by tells from level 17-25 rogues basically complaining.
The bulk of them consisted of the following information.

Joo R stupid.
Sell it to me for 3G I need it.
That will never sell for that much, NUB!
Stop price gouging!@!

Threads over a month old, I know but ... I was doing a search to figure out how to price enchants ... and this caught my attention.

So I want to add something about selling in RL which probably applies to a lot of stuff done in games as well.

You'll get buyers that will accuse you of overpricing, taking advantage of them, trying to make you into the bad guy. Which they hope will make you feel guilty so you'll sell it to them real cheap.

It's a buying ploy, don't fall for it. You know what the market value is and stick to it. If you do fall for how they're trying to manipulate the sale, all they'll do is brag to their friends how they practically stole it from you.

BTW ... anyone know where to find some info on how to price enchants, I'm sort of going :banghead: trying to find something.

[SkipsH]

If your trying to price enchants Id look at the materials and see how much you can buy them for and then tack a little extra on for yourself, paying attention to the Trade channel as well to see what people are selling them for. Make sure you pay attention to the AH before you start pricing or just use auctioneer if youve already got it running.

[LordXeper]

I had the same with " The 1 Ring". SOme kid was selling it on the /2 channel. I whispered him because I figured it was cool to wear for RP events. Got it for 50s or something. I checked Allakhzam to see what it was worth and it turned out to be in the 100g region. I thought, 100g or crappy RP leetness, so I posted it on the trade channel for 100g. I got about 20 people flaming me on the trade channel and at least 15 whispering me. I posted it on the AH for 100g bo /10g bid and it sold 5 minutes later. Good times. I posted the kid that I bought it off 10g (he was lvl 10, he must have been amazed).