Patch 1.13 - Cross Realm BG [Archive] - Unofficial World of Warcraft Forums

mesonm

23-08-2006, 04:53 PM

First, cross-realm BG is in 1.12, not 1.13, and they are implemented. (yay!)

Second, it does seem to make it easier (so far) to get into a BG, but it still may be awhile to get the rewards...esp. if you are looking for honor/rank-based rewards.

Supposedly, in the expansion, honor per se won't be the determining factor for some (rank-based rewards will still exist)...You'll be able to earn pts which you can 'save' for upgraded weps....

Gyoza

24-08-2006, 03:25 PM

I hate what they have done to the battlegrounds.

Ebgreen

24-08-2006, 03:34 PM

Why? I'm still on the fence myself.

I like the fact that I can get into WSG almost immediately and I can get into AB at all. I don't like that I don't know any of the players from the other servers. With BGs before the patch, I knew what to expect from the other team based on who was over there. I also knew what tactics the people on my team were likely to use.

Xaero

24-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Take the flip side, the other team doesn't know what to expect from you, either. One thing I've noticed right away is that people on the PvE realms are usually easy to spot. They try to take you down like a mob, instead of an intelligent being, which usually doesn't work.

And some people have no idea what true ownage is. We were loosing an AB game last night 4-0 or 4-1 depending on which GY we were able to ninja, and people were saying we were getting "Owned". Heh...appearently they havent ran into the premades on my server that 5-cap every time and stand right outside our 'base'.

The new Battlegrounds are indeed awesome (bugs aside). You get to interact with so many new people and see how other realms are doing on the PvP front. You see new strategies and ways of playing that maybe you haven't seen or considered yet. I've gotten to see so many new items that simply don't exsist on my server yet (rare AQ40 and Naxx stuff). This is a good thing.

brandondash

24-08-2006, 06:54 PM

This is the way FPS servers have worked for years. If you weren't clanned up you were constantly facing people you didn't know. Player influx was/is very transient and that forced you to adapt constantly. Quit trying to make PvP work like PvE. There is NO SCRIPT. Adapt or die.

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Gyoza

24-08-2006, 07:01 PM

I am really speaking to what they have done to AV... I played 3 games in under an hour the other night... WTF?

The AV games were going quicker than AB...that makes no sense at all! WSG was supposed to be quick... AB intermediate... AV huge... now, not so much.

I also don't really like not knowing anyone... I enjoyed getting to know people from different guilds in the BGs over a period of time... it is one of the easiest ways to social network all over your server... now that is totally gone. with 40 games going... i would imagine that this process will be much much much more difficult.

Also, getting into games was never a prob on my server, so that has no appeal for me... maybe it was a bit harder for WSG, but the q times were not that long for 60's... virtually nil most of the time for other levels... and almost NEVER a wait for AV... this gets me nothing.

Serrat

25-08-2006, 11:47 AM

I don't like that I don't know any of the players from the other servers

this didnt bother me, i didnt know my own servers pvpers at first either(obviously) so its just a whole load of new pvpers to get to know.

if found it quite funny so far, last night there was about 3 or 4 of us from different servers who kept getting in the same games battle after battle.

Valroshe

25-08-2006, 02:26 PM

I agree I am loving meeting all the new PvPers from other realms.
Our realm was getting to be the same ole same ole people and hence the alli
knew what to expect EVERY fight, who to go after, and what to do to get the win. And that is exactly what they did, before the cross realm the horde on my server won like 1 outta every 20 or so AB, maybe like 1 outta 4 WSG, and like 1 outta every 8 AVs. NOW however I have gotten in about 30 ABs since the BG opened back up and I think horde has lost like 4 all to premades(emerald dream...OUCH) this is absolutely awesome!!!!! Played a couple WSG and won them all, this is just great because I am planning on making a push for rank 11(10 currently) and getting the 90 gold mounts and now it appears there is actually hope for doing so in less than like a months time. YAY!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: SO CHEERS for cross realm BGs!!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

swaldman

25-08-2006, 02:36 PM

One thing I've noticed right away is that people on the PvE realms are usually easy to spot. They try to take you down like a mob, instead of an intelligent being, which usually doesn't work.

WHAT? Surely they didn't mix PvE and PvP realms in the groups that share battlegrounds?!

oramac

25-08-2006, 02:49 PM

personally i love the new bgs. i was in my first ever AV wins last night after never winning when it was my server alone.

swaldman

25-08-2006, 02:54 PM

personally i love the new bgs. i was in my first ever AV wins last night after never winning when it was my server alone.

*g* Sod winning, I'm looking forward to AV actually *happening*!

slimb

25-08-2006, 03:09 PM

WHAT? Surely they didn't mix PvE and PvP realms in the groups that share battlegrounds?!

indeed they did. check out the lists.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/battlegroups.html

basically means that you'll always be playing against the same folks from the same group of servers. so it'll turn into the usual - knowing who you're playing with soon enough.

i've also noticed that once i get in, i tend to get the same 4-5 people in my groups/BGs on my side

Valroshe

25-08-2006, 03:30 PM

could someone maybe cut and paste that BG groups page or info here please, friggin websense!!:shocked:

Thanks in advance.

swaldman

25-08-2006, 03:50 PM

indeed they did. check out the lists.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/battlegroups.html

Hmm. Well mixing PvE/PvP was an... interesting decision.

The one that will probably cause more problems is the mixing of normal / RP servers, methinks...

Heavysteps

26-08-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm loving the cross-realm battlegrounds... I always had the problem that I play at random hours and could only play some bgs when I found the pvp groups, once they were found the gameplay was seemless seeing how outnumbered the horde is in my server... but anyways we kept on losing only 1 out of 5 games
I play on a pve server but that's because when I want to go out and quest I don't wanna be bothered with pvp... once I want to pvp I go, play some bgs and/or get a group to start creating havok at some spot...
I understand that of spotting the people from the pve servers, but actually I've seen bad players on any kind of server, be it pve, pvp or rp

Idol

27-08-2006, 05:15 PM

I've got a warrior to lvl 40 with about 2 weeks played, about 70% of which has been spent in the BG's. Everytime I hit the top few levels of a bracket (-8/9) I'd run loads of instances and get the best gear I could then spend a few weekds BG'ing until I got bored and decided to get some more skills. In all that time I never got into AB, ever, despite being in the queue for up to 5 hours, it just never happened on my server. On Thursday as soon as I logged in I joined the queue, and 10 minutes later I got my first taste of AB (as a Warrior), and I got horribly owned by all the lvl 46+'s. :D

I love the Cross-Realm BG's.

Gyoza

27-08-2006, 05:22 PM

WHAT? Surely they didn't mix PvE and PvP realms in the groups that share battlegrounds?!

yes they did, and its funny seeing the different styles of play interact.

take AV for example (which is all I have been playing for the last couple of weeks till i hit exaulted)

pvpers just seem to want the HKs and go for other players, never touching the npcs unless its balinda or the alliance general, giving mad rep. Everything else, they pretty much ignore...

the pve'ers will go for the npc's and the hks, and will tell others to do the same... only to be subjected to calls such as "go back to your pve server!!!"

there are exceptions to these instances...not every pvp server toon is like this, but I have seen these arguments in 15 of the 20 games I have played since the patch.

I dont really care anyway... horde still never wins :embarassed:

Aswer

28-08-2006, 11:39 AM

I gotta say me and my guild are loving this new feature. We migrated from a high-pop, more horde than alliance realm, to a medium-pop, more alliance than horde one (EU Bloodfeather PvP --> EU Daggerspine PvP), and for some time we didn't have long BG queues, but soon enough these went up. Since we are a PvE oriented guild (currently in the process of getting BWL to farm status, I expect we'll start AQ40 within a month too), we really like to be able to use our already scarce PvP time well.

We are also always in a guild group in the BGs, so before it would take quite a bit to get in AB, for example, in a full 15-man raid. Now it is instant. Saturday is our non-dkp raiding day (20 man clears for those that sign up first, no dkp or attendance awarded), we can pretty much do whatever we want. From 10 am to noon we had 9 ABs (8 wins :D). Each one was so fast that after a couple of them people asked me to not join for 5 minutes so they could take care of stuff - w/e.

Another thing, on this "new" realm of ours low level BGs were practically non-existant. Last night I tried entering WSG and AB with one of my 30-39 alts at 2 a.m. AB was instant, WSG took 3 or 4 minutes. Not a bad thing at all.

On the down side, there are still some bugs in X-Realm BGs from time to time, like bugged and/or frozen players, some disconnects, but its not too bad and I expect it to be polished out soon.

I say GG Blizz for providing us with the possibility to PvP whenever we want to, not wait like idiots fishing in Orgrimmar or whatnot.

Karkas

28-08-2006, 12:55 PM

I love the short waiting time of the cross-BG's and find the change in player tactics interesting. Although coming from a RPPVP server I am not really used to players throwing tantrums mid BG and starting abusing everybody. This is apparantly common behaviour on normal servers 'cause I was the only one really taking offense? Anyone know if you can /ignore players not from your realm? :smiley:

Overall having quite a bit of fun but noting that BG is extremely popular now and many people are playing 'cause there are finally no queues and thus they are creating a situation where they are indeed no queues. But won't the queues return when everybody slows down to there normal PvP pattern?

And since a lot of people are PvP-ing now I also assuming that a lot more honor is required for gaining ranks? So when it took me 4k of honor to go from rank 2.5 to rank 3. The 10k I obtained over the weekend is surely not gonna be enough for another rank in the new situation. As far as I know before 1.12 your gain in rank was based on your honor gain compared to the honor gain of all other people on your server. Anyone know if this is still the same or if all the realms in a group are now thrown together for the calculation (doesn't seem likely)?

I am really interested to see how the situation will settle when all the initial fuss has died down.

Magikhat

28-08-2006, 01:52 PM

I dont know how to spell que :P

Bad side:

AV ques went from instant to an hour
AB ques went from 2 minutes to 15minutes
WSg 2 minutes to 12 minutes

Good side: I actually win now

KalziEast

28-08-2006, 03:02 PM

AV should be an "Under 3 hour" thing I think... It shouldn't be an "Epicly long battle" it's not Mount Hyjal.

brandondash

28-08-2006, 03:21 PM

I dont know how to spell que :P

Bad side:

AV ques went from instant to an hour
AB ques went from 2 minutes to 15minutes
WSg 2 minutes to 12 minutes

Good side: I actually win now
For horde on my two servers, wait times have PLUMMETED.

AV from 20 minutes to instant.
AB from 40 minutes to instant.
WSG from 30 minutes to instant.

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Magikhat

28-08-2006, 04:57 PM

Yeah I can see that for horde but Im alliance. On my server, the balance was pretty good. NOw since its divied amongst all servers now alliance outnumbers horde so our que times are longer

Gyoza

29-08-2006, 11:08 PM

AV should be an "Under 3 hour" thing I think... It shouldn't be an "Epicly long battle" it's not Mount Hyjal.

well, a few points

1. Mt Hyjal is not open, so you cannot compare it to an instance that is not there yet.

2. It was 3-4 hours or longer for a very long time...12 patches worth of time

3. It is not even anywhere near 3 hours...more like 30 mins

4. It is faster than many of my WSG games, which I dont think was intended either

just my feeling on the subject.

The Xrealm BG thing is okay tho I guess.... I am just disappointed (or maybe bored) with the BGs in general at the moment.

bhroam

30-08-2006, 01:15 AM

Yeah, I agree that AV's have gotten too short. They just don't give me that feeling of accomplishment any more. We goto the captain, kick his ass. We grab one graveyard, the next graveyard... attack the area surounding the general, grep the RH/AS and kill the general. Forumula... it's like a 40man scholo run.

I'm alliance and on my server the horde knew that a few ppl running midfield could really hose things up for us. You'd run around ninjainig graveyards... or recaping tower point or IB tower. These would require sending poeple back to retake these places.... slowing us down.

They'd still lose because they'd get side tracked farming HKs then trying to win, but it at least was a bit more work =]

Last night I played 2 AVs... 25min queue time 30m game.

Leonavice

31-08-2006, 03:53 AM

Now, it's too common for people to get more than 100k honor. Pre 1.12, 100k honor will definitely get you a jump from rank 7 to rank 8. Post 1.12, depending on the server you are in, you will be lucky that you didn't drop in standings...

Karkas

31-08-2006, 09:07 AM

I believe you but I would be happy to see some proof. Crazed by the short waiting times I collected about 30k honor last week as a 44 priest (which is a lot for me). I was 4% into rank 3 and now I am at 71%. Although I hoped to just make it to 4 with this amount of honor I saw I was ranked about 970 on my server which I thought was quite high for this amount of honor.

I play on a RPPVP server however where there is not so much PVP (it is seldom that I am in a BG with members of my server) so this might make it a bit easier for me.

Unfortunately the online Honor list doesn't display honor gained in a week nor does it display rating points gained so I cannot make a comparison. (Also because I wasn't ranked last week). It isn't updated yet for this week so maybe someone else can?

CreslinHellscream

31-08-2006, 11:07 AM

I rather like the new changes, although they grouped Hellscream with Magtheridon and Laughing Skull and some other older nastier servers than ours, so occasionaly you get evil premade teams that come and rip you apart in no time. But for the most part it seems to be good and I definatly like how you can get into a bg without even waiting 2 minutes.

moopy

31-08-2006, 05:25 PM

Mysticknight

05-09-2006, 06:48 AM

It can be fun, especially when a load of over-confident dweebs dripping in tier 2 come rolling in from a PvE server and decide to pick on a harmless-looking little priest guarding a graveyard.

"Dark Lady watch over you"

This made me laugh. Pre-owned noobs and free honor for you :)

in WSG I like just running the flag, or getting ours and just getting help from a healer and staying alive indefinately. For some reason they never notice the priest... :smiley:

pqthigvn

13-09-2006, 01:10 PM

"Dark Lady watch over you"

Also made me smile :) I can just hear the UD chick saying this, and proceeding to pwn shtuff.

Shellar

13-09-2006, 05:10 PM

Rumor of the month: Emboldened by the success of cross-realm BGs, Blizzard is currently planning to implement a similar mechanism for cross-realm PvE raid instances and cross-realm guilds. ;)

MellanCholera

13-09-2006, 08:05 PM

That's funny, in our battlegroup it's the pvp players holding everyone back.
Oh sure, they are better at the "vP" part, but unlike the PvE players who want to win and get rep and honor, the pvp players seem to want to just fight players. Typically, the pvp players:

1. whine, *****, moan, and complain
2. swear and "lol" at everyone who speaks up about anything, though never offering leadership of their own
3. absolutely REFUSE to play defense, whether it's at a node in AB, or the IB area of AV.
4. every time they win, screenshot and come to the rest of the realms' forums saying "you suck noobs! GTFO of our battlegroup! lnr2pvp " blah blah swear until their posts get deleted by moderators (well sometimes)

when the transfers started the same problems happened. Horde had just started winning a respectable percent of the AV games for the last few months before transfers, even though we were vastly outgeared, because we started working together. But then the transfers started (Before x-realm bgs) and immediately our raid chat was filled with "lolz! I'm from pvp server you must listen to me you all nubs you suck!" and arguing, and immediately we went back to losing all the time.

One guy from DIE from Illidan even is trying to set up a tournament to host in AB, for set teams from different realms to fight each other, and the whole thread is just pvp players talking trash and insulting each other, but none of them are willing to enter the tournament, only pve players are willing to put their money where their mouth is (no money just prestige)

So yeah, my opinion of pvp servers was only reinforced. I enjoy playing with and against htem, because even if one on one they can wtfpwn me, that doesn't matter, since they are mostly children. and children are easy to beat in the BGs, which require some maturity and strategy and the ability to think, not "lol nub" everybody.

I like the xrealm bgs. ;)

Kravven

02-05-2007, 06:15 PM

Gonna have to disagreewith poster above.
while it may be that some PvP player are just out to kill and think that will win BGs, most of the PvPers on my server are concerned with only one thing:winning
If that means playing defensive, fine
Offensive? a little better
Being dynamic and able to change stategies on the fly according to what situation you are (ie. 3to2 caps compared to 1to4 caps in AB) is what TRUE PVPers are about.
The people you speak of are the ones that do mostly world PVP(and Ganking) and then enter BGs only cause its a guarantee that opposing faction members will be there and in turn try to farm HKs.
Bad players are bad players whether its pve or pvp.
As for trash talking in forums what sense does it make that you are trash talking in forums about people trash talking in forums>?

Not judging or harping on you, but just an opinion...............
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