Endgame boring to you??

[TeamRamrod]

OK I'm just seeing if anyone else feels the same as i do. So far i've got a 60 lock,rogue, and hunter and it seems all there is to do is raid at endgame. pvp is ok..for fun. but as far as gear goes imo pvp sucks. ok so you raid a while and super leet gear...for what? sure its a pride thing goin around sayin i got this, i got that etc.. and pvp is only fun for so long before its a grinding chore. i personally get bored at endgame after a little while and then roll another toon because i think its more fun learning a new class, the excitement of new spells and better gear(to further lvl yourself) and meet new friends on the way to 60. I'm not dissing endgame or anything, just seeing if there are people who feel the same

[Wasabee]

I'm stuck btween a guild I like, that is "starting" for like months, to do endgame content...or becoming a drone in an elite guild, at the hopes that scraps fall from the table onto the floor that I can have.

:(

So I'm pushing the guild I like into endgame! (I like operations stuff...) They all want to do it but sit around talking more then doing...lol.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

I'v been the same way. Raiding is "meh", instances tend to be "meh", and PvP is double-"meh" to me. Grinding for gear gets old, and I just want to develop a character, but the level 60 cap stops me from continuing. So... I'm going to have a small army of characters to advance from 60 -> 70 by the time BC comes out.

[nebby]

as far as endgame content, this is the inevitability of any MMO. If you dont like raiding or PvP, well, maybe this game isnt for you. Lots of really cool games out there. Nothing wrong with trying a new game.

And as far as the topic of guilds go, I say good for you in pushing your guild to go further on new instances. I think that BLizzard did an awesome job in setting up a series of instances that are all challenging, given where you are at in gear, and in raiding experience. For instance, ZG & RAQ are awesome, challenging raiding instances for 20 people who are in mostly greens & blues. For experienced groups of people in all T2.5+ gear, sure, they can be trivial. But thats not the point. The point is to beat a challenging instance with a group of friends.

Forget all the e-peens of people in their purps. Thats a stupid comparison that no one ever wins. It has nothing really to do with being a drone or not. Whether or not you like it or believe it, not all guilds raiding Naxx are Nazi youth organizations with daily 18hour marching orders. Some guilds raiding Naxx are just a bunch of friends & friends' friends who have been playing together since the beta. And many of those are very cool people, just like you.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

as far as endgame content, this is the inevitability of any MMO. If you dont like raiding or PvP, well, maybe this game isnt for you. Lots of really cool games out there. Nothing wrong with trying a new game.

I see people say this all the time. I find it patronizing in the extreme. I derive great enjoyment from MMOs without ever even wanting to get to the "endgame". Maybe you see it as inevitable, I find the levelling of a new character far more appealing. Honestly rather than trying to just lump everyone into whatever category you might see playing an MMO means, maybe taking a step back, and not belittling or minimizing other people's views on things to prop yourself up would be a good thing.

And as far as the topic of guilds go, I say good for you in pushing your guild to go further on new instances. I think that BLizzard did an awesome job in setting up a series of instances that are all challenging, given where you are at in gear, and in raiding experience. For instance, ZG & RAQ are awesome, challenging raiding instances for 20 people who are in mostly greens & blues. For experienced groups of people in all T2.5+ gear, sure, they can be trivial. But thats not the point. The point is to beat a challenging instance with a group of friends.

See, that's one of the main reasons I left my guild. People with the attitude you put across in this paragraph. People who are so focused on that endgame, that they casualy discard those who like other things about these games.

Forget all the e-peens of people in their purps. Thats a stupid comparison that no one ever wins. It has nothing really to do with being a drone or not. Whether or not you like it or believe it, not all guilds raiding Naxx are Nazi youth organizations with daily 18hour marching orders. Some guilds raiding Naxx are just a bunch of friends & friends' friends who have been playing together since the beta. And many of those are very cool people, just like you.

I'll agree, there's plenty of playstyles for plenty of people. Different people have different tastes in how they play MMO's. Some like to do endgame content, others couldn't car less for it. Doesn't make either one superior or inferior to the other. It's just different styles of play.

[LunarSolaris]

Well, I think the beauty of WoW, is that there is so MUCH that you can do with it.

Sure... many tend to lean toward raiding and end-game content once you hit 60, but it sounds like you've found some enjoyment in developing new toons and raising them to 60. That can be a hoby in and of itself too. Or... you can work on developing professions... become an auction house mogul... work on completing every quest in the game... work on getting exalted with certain factions... and the list is nearly endless.

Of course you can PvP for fun on the side... or take it on as a full-time task.

You can also raid.

I know that for myself it's been a combination of a few things. Initially, I enjoyed leveling toons. I developed a 60 rogue, then a druid to 60, and then a warlock. I first got into raiding with my druid. I enjoyed trying to work on getting the best equipment that I could for her. Not because I wanted to be "leet" or to show off... just simply to get the best stuff I could get.

I have been raiding with my rogue now for 5 months hitting MC/BWL/AQ/ZG. I enjoy that too... but I realize it's not for everyone.

I PvP occasionally, but I get turned off by the e-peen that tends to go with PvP... but I still enjoy it from time to time.

I say if you enjoy developing new toons, then more power to you. I'm glad you've found something in the game you like.

[bwirum]

He's not being patronizing at all, Xlorep. He's being honest. If you like to roll new characters and bring them to 60, that's all for you, go at it and good luck. If you're looking for something more to do with your character at level 60 and don't enjoy pvp or raiding, then.. well, tough luck. Sorry. That's just how it is. And that's just how it is with any MMO.

[Piemaster]

I see people say this all the time. I find it patronizing in the extreme. I derive great enjoyment from MMOs without ever even wanting to get to the "endgame". Maybe you see it as inevitable, I find the levelling of a new character far more appealing. Honestly rather than trying to just lump everyone into whatever category you might see playing an MMO means, maybe taking a step back, and not belittling or minimizing other people's views on things to prop yourself up would be a good thing.

I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say. I think his point was that if you have played the game and got all the enjoyment you can from it, then there is nothing wrong with moving onto a new game.

[Naolin]

OK I'm just seeing if anyone else feels the same as i do. So far i've got a 60 lock,rogue, and hunter and it seems all there is to do is raid at endgame. pvp is ok..for fun. but as far as gear goes imo pvp sucks. ok so you raid a while and super leet gear...for what? sure its a pride thing goin around sayin i got this, i got that etc.. and pvp is only fun for so long before its a grinding chore. i personally get bored at endgame after a little while and then roll another toon because i think its more fun learning a new class, the excitement of new spells and better gear(to further lvl yourself) and meet new friends on the way to 60. I'm not dissing endgame or anything, just seeing if there are people who feel the same

I felt the same, untill I got in a guild with some friends (and made some new ones) and we are just messing about in ZG and AQ20 and pvp. I think most enjoyment for me from this game comes from messing around with people I enjoy playing with.

[Piemaster]

OK I'm just seeing if anyone else feels the same as i do. So far i've got a 60 lock,rogue, and hunter and it seems all there is to do is raid at endgame. pvp is ok..for fun. but as far as gear goes imo pvp sucks. ok so you raid a while and super leet gear...for what?

That's basically the truth of the endgame, whether instancing, PvP, raiding or whatever, not just in this game but in any.

You work to get better gear. This in turn makes your toon more powerful so you can get even better gear, which leads to even better gear and so on. But there is no grand prize at the end. Nobody ever knocks at your door and says 'congratulations you've completed your T3 set, you win a car'.

You are on an arms race to nowhere, so unless you actually enjoy raiding or PvP or whatever, then there is no point in doing it. Ultimately you will end up unfulfilled, because either you will run out of shiny new gear to aim for or you will find a challenge your guild is unable to overcome.

[Baboon]

You don't raid for loot, you raid to help Azeroth get rid of nasty buggers like Nefarian. And the Scourge. To help you out, you get loot so you get better.

I really love endgame after countless leveling. At least I can get all kinds of enchants without being afraid of getting a better item one level later. My alchemy is suddenly useful, contrary to when I was leveling.

When I come home from work, it's pretty often raiding right away, and when we don't, I have countless things to do, get herbs, get runecloth, demonic runes, trying to buy fancy recipes and enchant items. I hardly have time to do some BG for fun.

[Magikhat]

Like Nebby says, if you dont enjoy raiding this isnt the game for you. I have been through alt'o'holic phaze and grind tyrs hand for money for 3 months and grind BG rep crap. After its all said and done you need to find a good guild to raid with or play another game.

[Mallstrop]

I've given raiding a try so far with 3 characters, Hunter and warlock were earlier classes, although they're very different in normal terms, they seem to have molded into that large class that is DPS. I got bored of that prety easily, just target the main target and DPS away, the same boring stuff every fight. I used to love the Garr fight simply because my warlock got to do something different.

Now I have a warrior. The easiest of any classes I have leveled to 60, I twinked my weapns all the way, with a few gold you can really speed up your killing.

Pre raid gear was also pretty simple, I've done the 5-10 man places so many times that I avoided them as much as possible. I picked out the items I wanted and quite a few times got them on the first run.

The reward: raiding where you actually have to concentrate. No more working down a target list killing each thing in turn.

we're not far into BWL yet, but we're working on it, there seems to be so much more I can do as a warrior than any other class. I don't think I'll ever touch a DPS clss ever again, being a warrior certainly makes raiding a lot more fun.

[Calli]

The fact that you're playing a warrior in BWL might have something to do with it too. BWL is no-questions-asked, a warrior's instance. Pretty much every other class can cruise along on autopilot even in BWL for the most part, but if the warrior's aren't on the ball, you're screwed. So much more going on than your standard spank and tank.

[wolfbane]

As a hunter, I was delighted to enter BWL since I acctually mattered for something other than pulling mobs from max range when we are doing Razor. =)

[Magikhat]

The fact that you're playing a warrior in BWL might have something to do with it too. BWL is no-questions-asked, a warrior's instance. Pretty much every other class can cruise along on autopilot even in BWL for the most part, but if the warrior's aren't on the ball, you're screwed. So much more going on than your standard spank and tank.


Thats so true.

Let me add if you are continuously running Molten core and have it on farm status, yet you make no progress through bwl or other instances you will get bored. Part of raiding is wiping and learning new encounters and downing new bosses. The same can be said if you are trying to make progress and are stuck on nefarian for 6 weeks. You get sick of the wiping and yelling in vent. You have to progress at a fairly good pace otherwise you will get burnt out IMO

[Oatmealsmurf]

I'm personally not bored. I would have been if I had joined a guild that had MC on farm but when I joined they were still working their way through MC so I was there for the first time we submitted Domo... Then we started doing Onyxia and I've been there since day one and was there when we downed her the first time. It's a great feeling to watch your practice pay off.

It is nice to get the loot too of course but it is more of a necessity to move you further along in the game. It's a marvel to me to see my little warlock has come so far.

To me the grind is leveling to 60 though I will do it again because I don't want to be stuck with just one set of abilities. I enjoy the more complex fights of later content rather than the extremely straightforward fights you come across while leveling. Just different strokes for different folks.

I do think I'd like the challenge of tanking in a raid but I just don't want to do anything else with regards to a warrior so I have put off creating one.

[TeamRamrod]

Thanks for the replies guys. My guild has only got to rag in MC and we farm Ony and ZG. i know there are plenty of more challenges ahead of us over a long period of time, I personally just see it as getting "old". don't get me wrong, i do like raiding at the moment with my lock, but i also like learning a new class and new playstyles. which is why I've decided to roll a priest to lvl while im not raiding, best of both worlds(for me) :grin:

[MoRRoW]

I think that this is pretty much what everyone else is doing, raid with one character, than ''on-the-side'' level another and another and another Character ;)

I've finally decided that with my alt, which is *300 herb and alchem, I'll get him to 300 cooking and 300 fishing. While I'll keep my ''Main'' herb 300 and enchanting only to DE stuff. So basically, my main will become my ''Raiding Character and my alt will become my ''Main'' and my alt's alt will become my alt ;) haha

Tauren Druid Raider
Lvl 56 UD Warlock Main
Lvl 41 UD Mage Alt ;)

Oh yeah, not to forget my lvl 20 Warrior which is my GF's Troll priest lvling buddy, or can I say boyfriend? ;)

Edit : I had write 200 herb... ;)

[nebby]

I see people say this all the time. I find it patronizing in the extreme. I derive great enjoyment from MMOs without ever even wanting to get to the "endgame". Maybe you see it as inevitable, I find the levelling of a new character far more appealing. Honestly rather than trying to just lump everyone into whatever category you might see playing an MMO means, maybe taking a step back, and not belittling or minimizing other people's views on things to prop yourself up would be a good thing.


I'apologize if I didnt write that clearly. I was responding to the OP, who was asking about endgame raiding vs PvP and boredom. I totally agree with you, there is a lot to do in this game besides endgame content. There are a large variety of classes and specs to try out, lots of stuff to learn about lore, skills, etc. That is indeed what makes this such a great game.

However, if I read it right, the OP was concerned about getting bored, because the sameness over time. In terms of new content, the VAST majority of it will always be raid instances, and/or different variations on the world pvp theme. What will continue to be new will be more raid instances, some 5 mans, and some new PvP set ups. Sure, new cooking recipes will be added at times, new tailor patterns added, etc. But many of these will again revolve around some raid drops, or faction grinding.

I in no way would wish to discourage someone from enjoying the vast variety of things to do in WoW. When I'm not raiding or PvPing, thats exactly what I do myself- level alts, try to do weird out of the way quests, etc. But I realize that the rate at which this content will change (and hence the potential for MY boredom) will be less than that which raiding challenges me and my friends.

Many guilds do try to get their members to show up for raids, if that is one of their main focuses. There are also guilds with less of a raiding focus, and more of a hanging out and doing whatever type vibe. To each his own. I just like hanging out with friends in Grobbulus' room and getting whacked by giant balls of snot. :laugh: