A moment of silence for the September 11th attacks

[Gorny]

Pics from last night:

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[kcma]

i would say something funny to lighten up the mood but...

[Burntmeat]

Yeah it was indeed sad that american people died. But try to relate the feeling of your fellow americans dieing when supporting Israels war. Im not trying to condone the use of terror, im just saying that USA among others aswell, shouldnt support state terror.

Thats something to think about during the silence.

[rgirty]

I think that is pretty nice. Not sure why people would post trying to get some political jabs in here.

I think it is a very nice gesture.

[Burntmeat]

I think that is pretty nice. Not sure why people would post trying to get some political jabs in here.

I think it is a very nice gesture.

Actually because it also moves me the hear about so many civilians dieing, no matter where in the world. And i care to much to stay silent about it. The people that died at 9/11 will have died in vain, if we dont see some changes to the way things are handled, and thats my point. We need changes to keep this horrible thing to happen again. Its been 5 years now, where the changes?

[rgirty]

To my knowledge there has never been a point in history that civilians weren't being enslaved, or killed because of some political/religous conflict. It is the very nature of man, and I don't believe it will ever change.

That is why this is such a nice gesture, people forget things quickly and for those picture to take their time to honor the memory of the fallen they do them great justice.

9/11 isn't a platform

[Burntmeat]

To my knowledge there has never been a point in history that civilians weren't being enslaved, or killed because of some political/religous conflict. It is the very nature of man, and I don't believe it will ever change.

That doesnt make it right though. The question is, do you wanna change it?


That is why this is such a nice gesture, people forget things quickly and for those picture to take their time to honor the memory of the fallen they do them great justice.
9/11 isn't a platform

Idd, its a nice gesture. But dont the same people forget it the rest of the days in the year?. Imo its also a time very suited to reflect on where we are going with the recent development, and increase of terror the last 5 years, and maybe we have reached a point, that shows that the current policies doesnt work?

[Wasabee]

It's funny how people use moments of Silence as an opportunity to speak out. Please repsect the nature of this post.

(I understand the irony...just ignore it!)

[JamesT]

/calls dps

Seriously though, I think it is a nice thing to do to respect those that died on that awful day.

[AeroJonesy]

The Shrine of the Fallen Hero was the perfect place to do it too. And people were very mature. No one brought their politics to the place of remembrance, just their memories and condolences.

As one side note - I don't really find it appropriate to tell people what they should be reflecting on in their moment of silence. It's their moment, let them use it to honor and remember who they want.

[rgirty]

That doesnt make it right though. The question is, do you wanna change it?
You cannot change it. The strong dominate, it is part of nature and natural selection. That is why you have leaders, they are the strong they dominate and tell the weak what to do. When these leaders disagree they bring war against each other. This has gone on since mankind was made up of tribes that made war against each other. You have the same thing now, but these tribes are called countries, or terrorists or any other name you may give them.

There is only two ways we will achieve global peace here on earth. If a hostile alien presence appears and the entire globe unites to fight it. All of mankind dies.

Idd, its a nice gesture. But dont the same people forget it the rest of the days in the year?. Imo its also a time very suited to reflect on where we are going with the recent development, and increase of terror the last 5 years, and maybe we have reached a point, that shows that the current policies doesnt work?

It does not matter if they forget it the rest of the year, that was the day it happened and the fallen were respected. War and conflict are as timeless as man himself, you can't stop it you can only hope to contain it or reduce it as much as possible. As far as progress goes, the united states is touted as the most advanced powerful nation in the world yet last august we lost 1k+ people in New Orleans because of water... simply standing water.

[AeroJonesy]

Oh my god. That's so cynical and surreal. There are a bunch of cows and undeads mourning real people that are REALLY DEAD! What is wrong with those people. Actually I laughed when I saw these pictures. They reminded me of these one event when a guild prepared a funeral in game for their dead guildmate. I think you deffinately have to distinguish between reality and game.

Your point is? Symbols are all over the place in memorials. Here, the medium is different, but the result is the same. I wasn't taking my toon there for some role-playing memorial. I was going there myself as a way to remember and be with friends.

[MadVlad]

I have no doubt that if some guild came and ganked the entire group, there'd be some people that would think the whole thing laughably hysterical.

I wish that I were dumber so that I wasn't so cynical.

[Burntmeat]

As one side note - I don't really find it appropriate to tell people what they should be reflecting on in their moment of silence. It's their moment, let them use it to honor and remember who they want.

This is a discussion forum right :)

You cannot change it. The strong dominate, it is part of nature and natural selection. That is why you have leaders, they are the strong they dominate and tell the weak what to do. When these leaders disagree they bring war against each other. This has gone on since mankind was made up of tribes that made war against each other. You have the same thing now, but these tribes are called countries, or terrorists or any other name you may give them.

So what youre saying is that there have been no change in how society values the human life since the dawn of time?. And having leaders is hardly the same as it used to be. Most leaders are elected now, and not brought to empowered by raw military power. And the presence of a organisation as the UN amongst others, clearly shows the will to change the "old" ways of man. So that disagreeing leaders wont rush out and fight each other without consequences of their actions. Else there would be no trial against Saddam Hussaid atm.

As far as progress goes, the united states is touted as the most advanced powerful nation in the world

Most powerfull yes, most advanced i disagree.

yet last august we lost 1k+ people in New Orleans because of water... simply standing water.

Well thats kinda a internal state affair, and the poor balance of economic values in the US, and im not sure it would be the same with a fairer welfare system like many european countries and Canada have.

@ Serialcarpens : Please just go away, dont wanna turn this into flaming.

[AeroJonesy]

This is a discussion forum right :)


Discussion forum. Remembrance thread.

[rgirty]

Burntmeat, make a new thread in offtopic called "the progression of man" and we'll continue this there and anyone else who wants to jump in. I'm only going to respond in this thread one more time, which is now.

Man does and will continue to kill each other as often as possible, the only thing that has happened over time is the development of ways to kill each other faster and more efficiently. You cannot bring about world peace, no more than you can teach pigs to be medical doctors. Man simply does not have the ability to be peaceful, there will always be strife/war and the murder or enslavement of the weak. This will not and cannot change, however man will stop murdering each other once they have a common foe (aliens) or all of mankind is extinct.

[Burntmeat]

Discussion forum. Remembrance thread.

Whats the harm. You dont have to read this thread :)

[kcma]

Discussion forum. Remembrance thread.

how about remembering the american policy that disgraces its victims by being as fundamental and extremist as those who took down our 2 buildings?

i guess being victimized does indeed give you a blank check to do whatever you wish, nice lesson learned from isreal <3

[Valas Azuviir]

Whats the harm. You dont have to read this thread :)

Word of advice, in case you value your access to this place. You are going into Commandment 9 and 10 turf. Not exactly a wise move to do. If a Mod says knock it off, they mean knock it off, lest they knock you off.. If you catch my drift. :lipsrsealed:

[Burntmeat]

Burntmeat, make a new thread in offtopic called "the progression of man" and we'll continue this there and anyone else who wants to jump in. I'm only going to respond in this thread one more time, which is now.

Hmmm... Move this topic too Off topic section where it actually belong?
Im sorry, but i dont see the harm in discussing this in a sober way.


Man does and will continue to kill each other as often as possible, the only thing that has happened over time is the development of ways to kill each other faster and more efficiently. You cannot bring about world peace, no more than you can teach pigs to be medical doctors. Man simply does not have the ability to be peaceful, there will always be strife/war and the murder or enslavement of the weak. This will not and cannot change, however man will stop murdering each other once they have a common foe (aliens) or all of mankind is extinct.

Im sorry, but its hard to comment on this, since you ignore so many facts about the development of the global society and keep repeating that nothing have changed, when it is clearly not the case. To me its seems like a typical response of human kind accepting powerlessness, and will surely get us no where, where theres a will, theres a way. Anyways, since this is over now, i will sneak back to my regular forums, where we discuss things ;)

[rgirty]

I said i wasn't posting here anymore but I lied, i didn't point fingers at you as you did at me in your last post. I simply stated human fact that mankind is violent and has always been at war or severe conflict. You keep posting "we can change, we can change" yet it simply isn't true. In your posting of it, you offended a considerable amount of other people by using 9/11 as your platform. Post in the off topic thread if you aren't afraid to continue the discussion.

My response is not typical it is fact. Mankind has not and will not change unless either of the two stipulations I gave before happen.

[kcma]

I said i wasn't posting here anymore but I lied, i didn't point fingers at you as you did at me in your last post. I simply stated human fact that mankind is violent and has always been at war or severe conflict. You keep posting "we can change, we can change" yet it simply isn't true. In your posting of it, you offended a considerable amount of other people by using 9/11 as your platform. Post in the off topic thread if you aren't afraid to continue the discussion.

My response is not typical it is fact. Mankind has not and will not change unless either of the two stipulations I gave before happen.

he wont be only one abusing 9/11 as a platform for ____.

and no, mankind really don't change :p they make minor adjustments but they are as barbaric today as they were 10k years ago <3

[Wasabee]

We
Are
Right!

That's what war is about.

[AeroJonesy]

This thread is like war protestors at a funeral. Guys, it's good debate and all, you just could pick a much better venue.

[Wasabee]

Use your Mod wand. Posts after your original, move to Off Topic. Lock your original Thread, and like most memories it too will pass away into the darkness...

[silkfire]

The Horde are more sensitive and caring the than the Alliance....

[Burntmeat]

This thread is like war protestors at a funeral. Guys, it's good debate and all, you just could pick a much better venue.

Done...

http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=376203

[zkajan]

The Horde are more sensitive and caring the than the Alliance....

what an absolutely retarded state ment to make, I mean, seriosly, think about what you just said

[Icefrost]

The Horde are more sensitive and caring the than the Alliance....
Now thats a pointless post since we all know its not true either way.
Discussion forum. Remembrance thread.
Then what exactly was this thread posted for? What, were you trying to collect some more memorials through here or what? Sorry if I am in some way rude, but

I am sure that there are plenty of people in this forum who don't prefer to see a thread like this on top of the community forum...not to mention the placing already makes me think its here only to make sure more people will read it.

[Lacryse]

More people have died of starvation or curable diseases on Sept 11, 2001 than by terrorist attacks. While you were reading this post, another two or three died.

Sorry, I'm cynical. The difference, of course, is that those who died in the World Trade Centre (and the planes, and the Pentagon) were people. You know, with money. I understand.

Sorry for the interruption. Enjoy your minute of silence.
:cloud9:

I'm not saying every murder isn't a disaster. I'm just saying that while all people are equal, all humanoids aren't. Anyone up for a minute of silence for the famine victims in Asia and Africa?

[zkajan]

famine victims in Asia and Africa?[/b]
let them eat cake?


:undecided:

[MadVlad]

Were the famine victims a result of a plot?

Do we pay no attention to a particular murder, because after all, more people died in childbirth in Azerbaijan at that particular moment in time?

Yes, tons of people die every day. What makes this different is the symbolism and the intent. I didn't know a single person that died that day. But I treat the event as a death of something even more important than the sum total of lives that were lost there. You don't think Al Qaeda knew that significance when they planned it?

[Gorny]

Some people have absolutely no respect.