How long to exalted for wsg and ab?

[MellanCholera]

OK,
with the new BGs and no wait (for us horde at least) how long do you think it will take me to reach exalted with either WSG or AB? I'd like to before the expansion to get goodies.
I am not part of a set team, I am trying to find one though since I'm sure it will go faster on one. (I've found at 60 horde pugs can't simply steamroll alliance pugs anymore not sure if that's due to gear or what. but anyway I digress.)

I'm already exalted with AV, so I'm not sure the time in AV to get For Great Honor would be worth it.

I'm currently:
850/6000 friendly with warsong
150/3000 nuetral with Defilers.

yes, i neglected to pvp much.

I play a priest.
I like the defiler exalted gear.
I also like the warsong gear.

I guess if i compromise i could settle for honored with warsong (for the Advisor's Ring) and still try for exalted with defilers

[moopy]

Not long at all. I have pulled down 8k rep in a single day without trouble with a few hours in a premade. Since you talk about the defilers, you must be horde- thus you even stand a chance PUGging it.

It's 150 or 155 per match before bonuses for a win, and the faster that you win, the faster that you'll rack up the rep. Requeue as soon as you come out, hand in the tokens in the 10 seconds or so before the BG pops- then no worries about how many you have in your bags. It's worth queueing for both WSG and AB, so that if you come up against a premade, you can jump into the other one without losing time to a deserter debuff, and have another chance at facing a PUG.

I generally reckoned to make 3k+ rep per evening during "normal" PUG play. If you play a lot, you'll beat this easily. If you really want the rep fast, you can get into a premade, though this does sometimes take all of the challenge out of it, but you'll make insane amounts of rep, especially during bonus weekends.

It is my experience that horde pugs still do steamroller alliance onces. It really isn't hard to complete the quest to cap 5 bases to get the AB exalted tabard- you just mention to the other players that you have the quest and ask if you can push for five this time, and watch the fireworks; it's not as if you need to hold all of them for any amount of time, anyway.

PUGs will be significantly worse at weekends in the daytime, and weekdays in the early evening, as a lot of kids will be playing. They tend to lack basic class skills, attention span, and spent most of the match cursing, swearing and screaming "noob" at each other while farming HKs miles from objectives. Often it's better to play when the kids have gone to bed, for the sake of your own sanity.

However, generally horde still tramples all over alliance in PUGged BGs. I can't be bothered to get my alliance toons into a PM, so I shan't be worrying about PvP gear for them :)

[Peter]

Try and enjoy it and it'll go by quickly :)

[bhroam]

It takes 840 losses to become exaulted with WSG at 50 rep a turnin of 3 honor tokens. In my battlegroup, there isn't much other choice than lose. I never thought cross-realm battlegrounds would make WSG harder. Before the horde were epic'd out... now they're epic'd and legondaried out.

[moopy]

It takes 840 losses to become exaulted with WSG at 50 rep a turnin of 3 honor tokens. In my battlegroup, there isn't much other choice than lose. I never thought cross-realm battlegrounds would make WSG harder. Before the horde were epic'd out... now they're epic'd and legondaried out.

Do stop whining :grin: . It's not the people with PvE epics you need to worry about, it's the people who know how to play.

A good PvPer in decent blue PvP gear will wipe the floor with most classes in PvE epics. It's particularly amusing to see a mage in full tier 2 get oneshotted by a shammy. Seeing a hunter in a mix of dragonstalker and cryptstalker being torn to bits by a priest in blues, well, it's just poetry.

Cuts both ways, try raid healing in the high rank PvP armour, see how far it gets you.. :)

[Gormash]

I may reveal my newbie-genes here, but what are Pre-mades?

[Imraath]

I may reveal my newbie-genes here, but what are Pre-mades?
Teams that join the BG rather than individuals. Easy to spot now, when you pull up the BG info and the opposition are all from the same server.

[smartshot]

Do stop whining :grin: . It's not the people with PvE epics you need to worry about, it's the people who know how to play.

A good PvPer in decent blue PvP gear will wipe the floor with most classes in PvE epics. It's particularly amusing to see a mage in full tier 2 get oneshotted by a shammy. Seeing a hunter in a mix of dragonstalker and cryptstalker being torn to bits by a priest in blues, well, it's just poetry.

Cuts both ways, try raid healing in the high rank PvP armour, see how far it gets you.. :)


haha yep i love my preist what can i say... hunters are pretty easy when you get close. for me it's - get shot by an arrow, see the pet (ignore it move on to the hunter). inner focus, shield,VE, SWP, DP, get up to ranged but to close for arrows, fear, MB, MF, MF, MF died.

[moopy]

haha yep i love my preist what can i say... hunters are pretty easy when you get close. for me it's - get shot by an arrow, see the pet (ignore it move on to the hunter). inner focus, shield,VE, SWP, DP, get up to ranged but to close for arrows, fear, MB, MF, MF, MF died.

Of course, the rare really good hunters will recall pet, scatter shot, feign and ice trap, and then mark and aimed shot, conc shot and then just walk backwards shooting hell out of you.. but few are rarely that calm and collected. You'd be amazed how many high-rank hunters just lose the plot totally when a priest runs straight at them with murder in their eyes. It's even funnier when it's a horde priest in r10 or chreater armour and shadowform- they look so totally evil that people panic on sight.

My only grumble is that when I am playing my alliance raiding priest in a BG, I have the killing power of a heavily sedated kitten. My mindblasts crit for about 800 rather than the 2k that I am used to on my pvp priest, and I have no mind flay- NOES! Oh yeah, and no shadow form means that I no longer have physical dmg reduction that puts the hunter's epic mail to shame, takes a little time to adjust to that one. I did some WSG premade with what may turn out to be my new raiding guild last night, and while we won every single game (including against other premades), I couldn't just storm around the place slaughtering, I had to shadowmeld, and worst yet, run away! For shame!

Actually, the nicest match we had was against a PUG which seemed to be mostly rogues- it was really hard. Wherever we went, there were rogues.. our base had horde rogues like other places have rats. Some of the premades that we faced gave up after the first cap or two and just let us win when it was clear that they didn't have a chance. However, to give them their due, this rogue-heavy PUG fought tooth and nail to the very last second and went down fighting. All credit to them, and if anyone reading this was in that rogue-heavy PUG against a Bronzebeard premade late last night, well, I salute you and thank you for one of the most exciting WSGs in ages :grin:

Gormash:

In WSG and AB, you can form a raid and then join as a group. This is known as a premade. They tend to have an inherent advantage in that they work as a team and play to fairly tight tactics- often using voice comms of some kind to co-ordinate on the fly. A lot of PUGs in BGs seem to consist mainly of kids screaming txtspk obscenities at each other and arguing about who is the greatest "noob", and thus the actual standard of play is often utterly abysmal, which is why PUGs generally lose against premades.

That said, I have lead a few horde AB PUGs which have wiped the floor with alliance premades, and that's a very sweet kind of victory.

[mtgap]

Apparently the Horde pwn battlegrounds, the way everybody is talking.

I am Horde. The weekend after battlegroups started (AB weekend), I did AB about 10 times. We only lost ONCE!!!!!! PWN!!

[bhroam]

So IMHO the horde are better at PvP. This isn't really that surprising to me. It all starts with the fact that the horde racial abilities and the shaman class are better at PvP than the alliance. With skills like Warstomp and Will of the Forsaken... not to mention the great PvP abilities of the shammy class. Now head to head these abilities won't matter that much. We all know it's all about PvP skill.

The real reason the horde are better at the alliace is the pvp mindset. If you want to pvp and want to be really good at it, you'll choose a race/class which gives you an advantage.

I mean if a war stomp means the difference between an win and a loss between two players, wouldn't you want it?

WSG/AB are pvp encounters pure and simple. Guard resource nodes, over power and retake etc. WSG is capture the flag. Very PvP. AV is a PvE encounter with PvP thrown on top. I've noticed that alliance players treat it as such. Jump through hoops, beat boss, win. Don't get bogged down in the PvP aspects of the encounter.

If you grab GY's and towers and head down to your general and kill him you win.

If you grab GY's notice an enemy and stop to fight and 2 turn into a bunch and you spend time ganking. This gives precious time to the other side which is spending time gaining the final objective: the general.

At least this is the opinion of this Alliance Nightelf Druid

[Tiddly]

well I am in the Sylvanas battlegroup and we lose AV a lot to horde, but I also have a toon on dragonmaw that is horde and I have played about 60 games over the last week or so and won 3 :(

[Gyoza]

So IMHO the horde are better at PvP. This isn't really that surprising to me. It all starts with the fact that the horde racial abilities and the shaman class are better at PvP than the alliance. With skills like Warstomp and Will of the Forsaken... not to mention the great PvP abilities of the shammy class.

Totally disagree. As a Horde Orc Warrior and Undead Shadow Priest, plus an Alliance Gnome Mage, I can tell you that both sides have great PVP abilities.

And you have no clue how bad friggin Pallies anger Horde with that damn bubble/heal/AoE crap... Pallies are Priests in Plate... that's unfair. At least shammies wear mail. :rolleyes:




WSG/AB are pvp encounters pure and simple. Guard resource nodes, over power and retake etc. WSG is capture the flag. Very PvP. AV is a PvE encounter with PvP thrown on top. I've noticed that alliance players treat it as such. Jump through hoops, beat boss, win. Don't get bogged down in the PvP aspects of the encounter.

If you grab GY's and towers and head down to your general and kill him you win.

If you grab GY's notice an enemy and stop to fight and 2 turn into a bunch and you spend time ganking. This gives precious time to the other side which is spending time gaining the final objective: the general.


hmmmmm...maybe. i think that it was more fair with all the npc's in there. the removal of them did give a distinct advantage to the alliance, no matter what anyone says.

BUT

Horde does have the best choke point in the game, but generally does not take advantage of it.

[bhroam]

Gyoza, you are in a much better position to have a educated opinion than I. I've only PvP'd as alliance.... and only one once server/battlegroup. I've just noticed that the horde I have gone up against spend more time in the pvp aspects of the game. They do REALLY well at WSG because it's purely a PvP game. You win when you cap the flag 3 times. AV being mostly a PvE game with PvP thrown on top has a PvE winning objective. The allinace on my server and my battlegroup seem to do better at that.

So my opinion has been extrapulated from being alliance and being squished by horde a lot... maybe it's just that when I go up against another druid and they war stomp me, it just pisses me off I can't do that right back at them =]

I can see how pally's bubble and heal ability while running the flag can anger the horde. I still think the shammy class is better at PvP. Of course once again, this opinion is based purely going up against them... since my shammy is only level 6 =]

[Aerath]

No bubble heal to carry to the flag. You drop it when you bubble ;)

--

And frankly, I don't see the big deal with Shammies. I think Paladins are 'overpowered' more PvP-wise (as Alliance Druid...)

--

That said, if you really want to know how long it's going to take you, put the remaining reputation in terms of 'won games'.

E.g. I am at about 6k/12k with WSG.
That means I have (12k-6k) + 21k rep left till I hit exalted.
Now divide by 155 (total rep gained for a won game + hand in of 3 medals) and you know exactly how many games it'll take you. Compare the number of won games to lost games... consider the average time spent per game...
And start crying.

That said, even lost games might get you rep for caps and 3 medals will still be 50 rep. You can do the concerted efforts (or whatever it's called horde side) where you hand in 3 medals of each BG, for 100 rep.

[Seluhir]

if you're alliance, good luck getting WSG rep... 99% of Alliance WSG games in my battlegroup are 0-3 horde wins... so you get like 16 rep per game, 33 if you do all 3 bgs...

[MellanCholera]

heh since i posted that I finally made honored with Warsong over the weekend, and am still friendly with Defilers (though I have only a few hundred to honored). I started going to MC which is taking time since I did not realize raiding involved so much farming between raids! :) So my BGing has been slack lately. Plus horde pugs don't seem to do as well as I remember. A lot of yelling and cursing just like it was on the Alliance. Telling people they suck does not help but some people seem to think that's what to do. So I try to defend LM and call out incomings since I can see from up there, and direct people where to hit next. Sometimes people listen...


I still have not found a set team ... on my server the horde seem to have given up - there aren't even any pvp guild only teams anymore they're all in BWL and AQ40 - I think the xserver killed us since no one wants to spend the time to grind honor when kids in school can always put more time in. When I do a /who I only see a few 60s in there. I might have to lease my own Vent server to get one going.

[Grendo]

I still have not found a set team ... on my server the horde seem to have given up - there aren't even any pvp guild only teams anymore they're all in BWL and AQ40 - I think the xserver killed us since no one wants to spend the time to grind honor when kids in school can always put more time in. When I do a /who I only see a few 60s in there. I might have to lease my own Vent server to get one going.
This might also be due, in part, to the changes to the pvp ranking/gear come the expansion. Since the majority wont be able to hit Warlord/Grand Marshall in the next two months, theres little benefit to the 24hr grind. Its still my main focus out of raids, only to try and finish off the rep grinds, to have one less thing to worry about come TBC.

[dujow]

A lot of PUGs in BGs seem to consist mainly of kids screaming txtspk obscenities at each other and arguing about who is the greatest "noob", and thus the actual standard of play is often utterly abysmal, which is why PUGs generally lose against premades.

This had me laughing out loud, it is so true! Before cross-realm BG's, I never joined a raid group. When I entered my first cross-realm, I was appalled that I could not quit the raid group. I cannot stand the kiddies screaming at each other! Pre-mades are the way to go.