too much thieving when crafting/enchanting

[dave campbell]

In the pasr 3 weeks i have had 2 sets of mats stolen from me by the person who was gonna craft / enchant for me - Blizz's responce is (basically) TUFF

Sugguestion - 1) any chance of some kind of bonding scheme ( craftsman would pay 200g to be bonded as a guarantee of integrety)
2) as someone else sugguested a badge scheme - need 10(?) peeps to sign a badge petition saying he is a reputable tradesman

The current situation where a "craftsman" can just steal mats is mad and needs sorting out NOW

[rgirty]

Take a screenshot, people get banned for this. Have proof and you may at least get your mats back.

[Mordivine]

You wont get the mats back because blizzard will just say, you clicked on the trade button willingly.

[mesonm]

Use only enchanters from known guilds having a decent integrity, and for whom you have a referral from a known trustworthy source...

I've used folks, trusting 100+g worth of mats to them, and have not had a problem using this framework.

[rgirty]

I have heard of people getting their mats back, and people getting banned for this.

Take a screenshot, the worst thing that can happen is you lose your mats. Who knows if you report this person and give a screenshot perhaps you will get your mats back, even if you don't what have you lost? Nothing to lose IMO.

[kcma]

you can report this even without screen shot. they have logs for this.

[Wotok]

The easiest way to help alleviate this problem is to allow mats to be used from the trade window for the enchant. For blacksmithing, you'd have to be near an anvil during the trade.

The process should attempt to use any mats in the trade window first. If it doesn't exist in the trade window, it looks into the crafter's inventory.

[rgirty]

Sell crafting, and enchanting kits via auction house. Problem solved.

Say you want crusader on your sword? Go to the AH and buy Crusader*without mats and Crusader*with mats, you right click it and your sword and voila you have crusader.

Same for tailored items, sell them as patterns or something seems easy.

[Linch]

I had this fear, I got all my mats for hide of the wild and wanted it right there and then, luckily a guy did it for me for 10g (dont know if thats the right price and dont care) but I was handing over 250g worth of mats.

But the guy just made it and gave it back I was happy as hell.

But if someone rips you off I would be on every channel spamming there name and on every forum letting everyone know that they are a thief.
which would destroy any buisiness they have, I would make a macro as well everytime I would log on I would let everyone know I would also be talking to there guild leader about it to.

Also I have been told you can petitiona GM and they will refund the mats.

Pretty ****ty thing to happen though.

[Farq]

I agree, some people are just a**holes.
I once wanted a weapon crafted (Sageblade) which has some really expensive mats (prolly about 600g if you get from AH)
I had to actually mail all the mats to this guy I had never met (thank god I got a referral from a friend with a good rep) and just hope that my sword would come back to me...
Anyway, it came back, which shows some people can be trusted.
If someone does rip you off, FIRST STEP is to always consult someone in their guild - they do not deserve to be in a guild that helps them when they rip off everyone else!
Secondly, petition a GM, remember, this person was given the mats after an agreement was made that they would craft *set item* and then return the item back to you. If they refuse to give it back, a GM will have every right to discipline this behaviour by either banning the account, or removing the item or any gold they may have received for on-selling this item and return it to you.

[Redmumba]

The only problem is, there's nothing Blizzard can or should do. If people got their mats stolen from them, its because they got ripped off--as far as Blizzard and the T.O.S. are concerned, you just gave the mats to them and they never did anything back. Perfectly legal.

Just be careful. If you want an enchant, and the person in question is trying to sell the enchant, chances are they have the mats already. So just have them apply the enchant immediately.

[Big Guns]

I have always wondered how it works when people sell enchants. I have had things enchanted for free using the trade window but of course the enchanter never actually gets possession of my item. But if they are enchanting for a fee I presumably am expected to pony up the gold first and what is to stop them from taking off with that?

[mckie]

I have always wondered how it works when people sell enchants. I have had things enchanted for free using the trade window but of course the enchanter never actually gets possession of my item. But if they are enchanting for a fee I presumably am expected to pony up the gold first and what is to stop them from taking off with that?

That one's easy. You put your item in the "will not be traded", and put the payment in the usual place. They enchant the item, and the enchantment shows up next to the item. You hit trade, they hit trade, and it's done. They get the money and you get the enchant.

I too have been nervous about handing over mats for enchantments. However, I normally get them from someone who is advertising in the trade channel, preferably someone I've seen advertise regularly, preferably someone from a guild I recognize. I've never been ripped off.

I do take screenies when I hand over a lot of mats - of the conversation documenting the agreement, as well as the transaction. When I do the trade, I whisper "here are the mats for you to enchant my xxx with yyy". That can be visibly seen under the trade window, and I take a screenie. That way, if I ever do get ripped off it's extremely clear exactly what happened.

It would be nice if you could put the mats in the trade window along with your item, and have the enchant use the mats in the trade window. Will have to try that with my enchanter friend.

[Stigg]

You cant get banned for this...there is nothing written by Blizz saying this is illegal. It sucks, I wish it was....but they are not doing anything illegal.

I suggest talking with your guild. Find out who enchanted their gear. Usually if somebody has stolen crap from other players there is a good chance everybody knows about it.

Another good idea is asking for an enchant from a member of a well-known and respected guild on your server. Usually they will charge you a bit more, but the security in that is knowing this guy wont screw up because his and his guild name are on the line.

Unless the enchant is one requiring essence of elementals and/or nexus crystals there is a good chance the enchanter already has the mats. If that enchanter doesnt have the mats just wait an hour and ask again if your paranoid. Put the item in the bottom window, with the gold in the top and wait for the enchant to come.

[mesonm]

But if they are enchanting for a fee I presumably am expected to pony up the gold first and what is to stop them from taking off with that?

You put up the gold and the item, and click trade once they have enchanted it...

The problem is when you are providing the mats...You need to provide the mats FIRSt, click trade, then in a second transaction provide the item for enchantment...

[Gyoza]

A few suggestions...

1. always be suspicious of people even 40+ without a guild. as a general rule, there are reasons why they are guildless and most of those reasons are not positive. (general rule, does not apply to everyone, so dont give me lip =D ). In addition, if they are not in a guild, there is not "higher authority" to really report them to and no real consequences. If they are in a guild, at least you can talk to the guild leader.

2. Someone in your guild should be a high level chanter... if they are on, use them first. If they are not, wait if you can stand it. For the highest level items, I always suggest using a guildy (if they have the chant) as the consequences of losing mats are pretty high.

3. If a guildy is not on and I want something done right away for some reason, I always find someone from the largest raiding guilds on the server. They usually have VERY strict rules and codes of conduct. In addition, that person will usually have to have a very good reputation to just get into the guild in the first place.

4. I never ever go to someone entirely new for "super" chants. I have a number of people on my friends list that have chanted some of the lower level stuff for me over time. That way I have a list of people i can trust to make higher level stuff if someone in my guild cant make it.

I have never had anything stolen from me... ever. Of course, I don't recall ever having anything ninja'd either, but I dont do pugs for that reason as well.

Anyway, those are my suggestions... good luck.

[xxlebox]

You wont get the mats back because blizzard will just say, you clicked on the trade button willingly.

Exactly, what you can do is indeed make a SS - and put them on a blacklist.
Nobody will like them when they see they're on a blacklist... and if people dont ever look on those, they'll hear it from others, word spreads fast.

[mesonm]

1. always be suspicious of people even 40+ without a guild. as a general rule, there are reasons why they are guildless and most of those reasons are not positive.

ROFL

I am guildless on my two 60's because I'm in the beta and don't raid anymore...Two sets of tier 2 is enough for me...

So, definitely do not give me your mats...I won't enchant anything for you...heh

(especially since I am an alch and thus make and sell three different kinds of flasks, and GFP's...I'm not en enchanter)

I love it when folks generalize.....

[Fursphere]

Something that has worked for me...

When you "trade" mats to the enchanter, have them give you a deposit at the same time. Like, 200G or something.

When the 2nd trade window comes up with the enchant on your item, give them the 200G back. Done deal.

Adjust the gold value to the value of the mats, or something close to it. Mats worth 50G, 50G deposit roughly. Even 50% of the value keeps you from getting totally screwed.

They are much less likely to screw you this way.

Even safer way:

My brother and I both rolled enchanters on our alts. We enchant each others gear back and forth. Sure, its costly to get the plans for each enchanter, but no risk of being screwed. No inflated "enchant" fees. No BS. :)

[Herald of Doom]

I love it when folks generalize.....

ROFL


I love it when folks ignore the part of the post where he says it's a general rule and there are obviously exceptions. In my experience he's 100% correct :thumbsup:



Aaaanyway, BoE items are easy, get a toon with enchanting. For the higher level stuff it's the same as getting anything crafted, find someone trustworthy.

HoD

[Gyoza]

ROFL

I am guildless on my two 60's because I'm in the beta and don't raid anymore...Two sets of tier 2 is enough for me...

So, definitely do not give me your mats...I won't enchant anything for you...heh

(especially since I am an alch and thus make and sell three different kinds of flasks, and GFP's...I'm not en enchanter)

I love it when folks generalize.....


If you have 2 sets to T2 you were obviously part of a significant raiding guild and probably have a pretty good reputation on your server.... I might use you (thus the little part where I said "general rule, does not apply to everyone." :tongue:)

oh and super, you are in the beta and have 2 sets of T2.... :unimpressed:




ROFL


I love it when folks ignore the part of the post where he says it's a general rule and there are obviously exceptions. In my experience he's 100% correct :thumbsup:

HoD


thank you.

[mesonm]

yeppers...I'll happily make flasks for you, if you provide mats...

[Icekiss]

Using recommended enchanters is the best thing. I never do enchants from someone just out of the street, I have several names on my friends list, who have been recommended to me by my close friends as reliable and trustworthy people, and that's it :)

However I would definitely be happy if an aditional enchanting trade window was introdused, where you didn't have to give mats over to person for them to make an enchant.