Will I hit r6 this week?

[Rorr]

http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Rorr.Thrall&v=honor

What I'm wondering is if I'll hit r6 this week. I did a TON of PvP, with this weekend being the AV Holiday.

I know it can't be said for sure, but what's the likelihood?

Keep in mind those other 469 kills from today haven't been added in.

Thanks!
Chris

[mckie]

It's impossible to go from r4 to r6 in one week.

It looks on the graph like you were about 70% progressed toward r5. That would put you having about 7000 RP. You'll lose 20% to decay, that's 1400, leaving you with 5600. r6 requires 20000 RP, which means you need 14400 RP this week. RP is capped at 13000, so if you were the highest-ranking Horde PVPer on your server, you'd still be 1400 points short of r6 this week.

It's impossible to tell from your honor screen how much RP you'll earn, because it's on a curve compared to all the other Horde PVPers on your server. However, even if you got 10000 RP you'd still end up with 15600 total RP, putting you squarely in the middle of r6.

For academic purposes, if you had 9999 honor and were just one point short of r5, and earned more honor in the week than any other PVPer on the server to get 13000 RP, you end up with 21000 RP and get r6. However, if you start with less than 8700 RP it is mathematically impossible to get to r6 in one week.

In general, once you get to r5 it takes a couple weeks to progress each rank until r10. Beyond r10, you're talking hardcore PVP and competing with the top few % on your server.

Also, note that AV is not the best place to accumulate honor because of diminishing returns. You end up killing the same people so many times, and after the 10th kill of the same person that kill earns 0 honor.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor

[Aswer]

It's impossible to go from r4 to r6 in one week.

Now that's what I call a false statement.

In general, once you get to r5 it takes a couple weeks to progress each rank until r10.

And here is another one.

In reply to the OP, HK's indeed have nothing to do with your standing and honor points. Your standing is going to be the main factor for ranking up, NOT you honor points (only indirectly, depending on the PvP activity on your realm).

You can, indeed, rank form 4 to 6 in one week, and it is not even too hard. After that you can rank up once per week all the way to 8-9 (depending on the realm activity, once again). It becomes harder (read: time-consuming) as you progress through the ranks, but it is not impossible.

AV indeed is not the BG to go to if you want to rank up. AB and WSG are way better. Find the one in which your faction's battlegroup seems better and keep up with it. Make use of "BG Weekends" (double honor weekends for a given BG, 3 per month, 1 weekend is off).

ON most EU PvP realms you can work your way to rank 12 and still have a life. Anything past that is usually putting some serious time, which, depending on your class, may or may not be well rewarded with rank rewards.

[mckie]

It's impossible to go from r4 to r6 in one week.

In general, once you get to r5 it takes a couple weeks to progress each rank until r10.

Now that's what I call a false statement.

And here is another one.

I qualified my first statement with additional data - it's mathematically possible to go from r4 to r6 in one week, if you have at least 8700 RP and are the top PVPer on your server.

For academic purposes, if you had 9999 honor and were just one point short of r5, and earned more honor in the week than any other PVPer on the server to get 13000 RP, you end up with 21000 RP and get r6. However, if you start with less than 8700 RP it is mathematically impossible to get to r6 in one week.

Again, note that the curve is very steep in the 10000-13000 RP range, so you have to be in the top few % on your server to get >10000 RP in a week.

If you do earn 10000 RP in a week, here's what you can do. Assume starting at r3 with 5000 RP.

Week 00 5000 RP start = r3
week 01 5000 RP start, -1000 decay, +10000 earned, 14000 RP = r4
week 02 14000 RP start, -2800 decay, +10000 earned, 21200 RP = r6
week 03 21200 RP start, -4240 decay, + 10000 earned, 26960 RP = r7
week 04 26960 RP start, -5392 decay, +10000 earned, 31568 RP = r8
week 05 31568 RP start, -6314 decay, +10000 earned, 35254 RP = r9
week 06 35254 RP start, -7051 decay, +10000 earned, 38203 RP = r9
week 07 38203 RP start, -7641 decay, +10000 earned, 40562 RP = r10
week 08 40562 RP start, -8112 decay, +10000 earned, 42450 RP = r10
week 09 42450 RP start, -8490 decay, +10000 earned, 43960 RP = r10
week 10 43960 RP start, -8792 decay, +10000 earned, 45168 RP = r11
week 15 45000 RP start, -10000 decay, +10000 earned, 45000 RP = r12

Ten weeks to r11 (nine from r4).

Of course, all that's assuming you're getting 10000 RP/week. Again, that's in the top 1% of all PVPers on your server. On the last ranking you were about 1400th. Of the top 2000 players listed on the PVP rankings, to earn 10000 RP you'd have to earn more honor each week than all but 40 of them.

So, while it is mathematically possible to gain 1 rank/week up to r9, it's highly unlikely. Also note the OP is on what appears to be a pretty strong US PVP server.

[Grendo]

So, while it is mathematically possible to gain 1 rank/week up to r9, it's highly unlikely.
On a heavily alliance based battlegroup (8:1 at last count), and a PvE server, I went 0-4, 4-6, and then one rank per week up to 9 so far with my newest 60. Since rank4, I have been pulling in 160-185k per week. I expect 9-10 to take 2 weeks each, and then more of a grind after that.

However, on a competitive pvp server, the timing can, and will, most likely be doubled, based on my first toon of the same class being born and raised thru rank10 on a pvp server (pre-battlegroups).

So, you're both mainly right. ;)

[Aswer]

No, we are not both right. Stating "impossible" for 4 to 6 in a week is just false. I have done it on at least 4 toons, and 2 of those on competitive PvP realms. Same goes for saying it is "impossible" to rank up in a week after that. I've been ranking up weekly on EU-Bloodfeather PvP (high pop) all the way to rank 8 on my mage before migrating to Daggerspine.

"Impossible" is a very heavy word and it can not be interpreted in any other way than what it is. Change it to "very difficult" and then you open a spectrum, but "impossible" is false - end of.

[Tiddly]

I also am on rank 4 and about 3/4 to rank 5 - I have been in AV most nights this week, only won a few unfortunatly.. I have about 2000HK's and about 150,000 honor as it was the AV weekend.

I was hoping to make it to rank 6 so now I am a bit disappointed that I won't :( - how close will you think I would get?

What is RP?

[Aswer]

RP is Role Playing, basically a bunch of people who live into a character they make and talk funny pretending they are "role playing" that character. :)

"Thee will die under my sword, treacherous weasel" = "I'm gonna pwn you nub." and such....

etc (OK I know it's oversimplifying but we won't go into an essay now).

As for how far you will go towards a rank, impossible to say, on some realms your standing with 150k will be 100th on the realm, on some it will be 300, depends on the amount of PvP your faction on your realm is doing. Once again, stay away from AV if you want to work towards a rank. You might make 6 this week after all, tell us how it went. :)

[mesonm]

Well, Rorr, where did you make it to on the rank/honor scale?

r5 80%? or what?

[Tiddly]

My server dragonmaw has been down for 35 hour maintenance so I am dieing to see how close I got :)

I am only playing AV to get exalted anyway.. made revered on the weekend so just the long grind of non-winning to exalted now. Once that is done I hope to have made at least rank 7 and will then try to 8 and give up.

I just want the armor set before I go to ZG etc

[mckie]

RP is Role Playing, basically a bunch of people who live into a character they make and talk funny pretending they are "role playing" that character. :)

"Thee will die under my sword, treacherous weasel" = "I'm gonna pwn you nub." and such....

etc (OK I know it's oversimplifying but we won't go into an essay now).

As for how far you will go towards a rank, impossible to say, on some realms your standing with 150k will be 100th on the realm, on some it will be 300, depends on the amount of PvP your faction on your realm is doing. Once again, stay away from AV if you want to work towards a rank. You might make 6 this week after all, tell us how it went. :)

In this context, RP means Rating Points, which is what Blizzard assigns to each player during weekly maintenance, based on honor, to determine rank. How you get RP to mean Role Playing in this discussion is beyond me. But then again, you also threw it a bit about EU realms when the OP (that's Original Poster, to avoid confusion) is clearly on a US realm. Of course, you haven't actually tried to provide him any kind of helpful information, you've just been sniping at "impossible".

My use of the word "impossible" was obviously incorrect. That sentence originally read "impossible for you" and when I took out "for you", I should have changed "impossible" to "very difficult". I do believe the data and subsequent posts speak for themselves, but if you want to be picky...

And to answer the question, Rorr made it to r5 and probably had a fit when he saw how close he came to getting into the officer's quarters this week. Next week for sure, right Rorr?

[Tiddly]

Thanks for the explanation of RP, I am learning quite a bit about how PVP ranking is worked out. And You were right about me not making it to rank 6 as well.. /salute went to just over half way of 5.

Now I am worried about how long it will take me to get to rank 8 as I planned.

I am on a low/medium pop server and play horde that lose a lot.. do you think that 100k honor a week would do or would I need more?

I will prbably stay in AV for the week as I still want to get exalted but then spend my time in AB for the holiday weekend

[mckie]

Thanks for the explanation of RP, I am learning quite a bit about how PVP ranking is worked out. And You were right about me not making it to rank 6 as well.. /salute went to just over half way of 5.

Now I am worried about how long it will take me to get to rank 8 as I planned.

I am on a low/medium pop server and play horde that lose a lot.. do you think that 100k honor a week would do or would I need more?

I will prbably stay in AV for the week as I still want to get exalted but then spend my time in AB for the holiday weekend

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's a WSG weekend, not AB.

Unfortunately, my knowledge on rankings stops far short of "willl xx honor get me to rank y?" My best suggestion is to use the PVP rankings to check other people who are getting the kind of RP you need for your next rank. Then look for them in game and inspect them to see how much honor they are getting (or just ask them via mail or whisper).

If anyone has a better suggestion, I'd be interested as well.

The wowwiki.com info on honor is really quite helpful as well.

[Tiddly]

I was going by the sticky calendar at the top

Call to Arms: Arathi Basin: 06-10-2006
Call to Arms: Arathi Basin: 07-10-2006

[Aswer]

How you get RP to mean Role Playing in this discussion is beyond me. But then again, you also threw it a bit about EU realms when the OP (that's Original Poster, to avoid confusion) is clearly on a US realm. Of course, you haven't actually tried to provide him any kind of helpful information, you've just been sniping at "impossible".

As for the RP thing, you're right, working 16 hours in a row and then replying to several posts on different forums in a hurry can do that to you.

Now, using that obvious mistake of mine to throw a veil over your provision if false information is a bit lame though, but hey, to each his own.

And, so what if the OP (yes I know what OP means and, by the way, you fail at sarcasm) is on a US realm? PvP wise the difference between two US realms can be as big as between one given US realm and a EU realm, so what's your point, that only people from his realm should have answered?

[mckie]

And, so what if the OP (yes I know what OP means and, by the way, you fail at sarcasm) is on a US realm? PvP wise the difference between two US realms can be as big as between one given US realm and a EU realm, so what's your point, that only people from his realm should have answered?

My point is that giving a EU realm answer to a question posed by a US realm player is even less helpful, if at all possible, than the rest of your post. It doesn't matter if you're on his realm or not (I'm not), but whether you answer the question with relevant information.

At least I answered the question (correctly - the player did not get r6) and tried to share some valuable information with others.

[mesonm]

And to answer the question, Rorr made it to r5 and probably had a fit when he saw how close he came to getting into the officer's quarters this week. Next week for sure, right Rorr?

how do you know this? How far did he get?

[Peter]

your math is sound, but this is the exteme case of theorycraft. it is not very difficult to get in the top 40 if you are heavily grinding with a organized group.

i was top 15 for 5 weeks in a row and got 1 rank a week up to 11

[Peter]

how do you know this? How far did he get?

he is using a website that does player tracking like warcraft realms or wowguru, both sites are inaccurate, and it could be quite possible that the poster was talking about a another character. (I myself have 4 60alts)

[mckie]

he is using a website that does player tracking like warcraft realms or wowguru, both sites are inaccurate, and it could be quite possible that the poster was talking about a another character. (I myself have 4 60alts)

Actually, I'm using Blizzard's own PVP rankings: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/

The OP posted a link to his character info which including the character's name and realm.

[Boxcarwilli]

WOW, its so possible my friends. Im on Demon Soul, I was rank 3 and went to rank 5 and was rated 52 on the server for the week. Went from rank 5 to 6 and was ranked 100 on the server. Went from rank 6 to rank 7 and was rated 54 on the server. Each rank was attained in one week, wtih about 7-15% into the next rank. Sitting at rank 7 now 5%, Ill prob have to get nearly 300K honor this time to hit rank 8, but, so doable.

The times I was rated in the 50's I had 200K+ Honor. The #1 and #1 spots had 1mill honor.

The trick is, get in on a pvp guild, dont do a lick of pve (its boring anyway) and group pvp. In one hour you can eaisly get 6 AB wins. The week I went from 3 to 5 was av weekend.

[Ashoran]

Just to further debunk the impossible to go from 4 to 6 arguement, I got 202k honour (standing 17) and went from halfway through rank 4 to about 10% into rank 6 last week. I guess this isnt technically two entire ranks, more like 1.6 ranks, but I still skipped First Sergeant completely.

He got stuck in the PCT the week before though, so I didnt PvP for an entire week :(

202k sounds like alot, but it flies by when its AB weekend at offpeak times. The premades are out during the day, but after midnight I can run riot and we win most games in 10 minutes. I only spent two evenings making a proper effort, the rest was made up from random games here and there.

Ive been slacking this week though, only 50k so far. Bang goes my 6-7 in one week aspirations.

EDIT: PvE server, Pugged every game. I can get away with it though due to my late playing, if you try and PuG before midnight youre just going to come up against premade after premade, get 5 based and not make any progress at all.