Just trashed my LvL 300 enchanting!!!

[troberson]

Hi,

I recently gave up enchanting. I had spent a lot of time and gold grinding up to 300 and after getting tired of being poor, and realizing that it is useless to try and make money with this skill when people are spamming "Free enchants" in order to level up, I have decided to go back to alchemy and herbalism. I know this will be a pain, but I cannot think of one good reason to remain an enchanter.

Ex; One day I decided to try and sell a fiery enchant. a character asked me what the enchant did and if it would "glow" (totally useless. just because an item glows, does it really make it a good enchant?). He decided to get the enchant since it glowed. I told him 5 gold. He said no thank you. I asked why. He said it was too expensive. I asked how much did he plan to spend on an enchant. He said "I don't know".

The fact that no one has any ida how much formulas cost, or how long it takes to grind honor to get these enchants adds to how hard it is to sell the stupid things.

As I clicked the button to unlearn the skill, I was worred that I would be unhappy with my decision. But after I hit it, I was really happy.

The only way to make money with enchanting is to dis enchant everything you get your hands on, by nine times out of 10 you end up with useless dream dust that won't fetch nearly as much as you would of gotten by just selling your original item at the AH.

For anyone thinking about getting out of your current profession to pick up enchanting, DON'T!!!!

It is terribly hard (and expensive) to level up after 250, and all you get is grief for trying to make money with it.

Try to sell one for a fair price, the replies you will get are "GG Noob, greedy" or anything else that makes you want to throw your keyboard through the wall.

[Falchan]

Prepare to kick yourself once BC launches.

[troberson]

I thought about that, I can get to 300 with alchemy by then probably. I just don't see any changes in the economic structures of the game.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Bit-ter.... I love enchanting. But I didn't take it to make money off of. (Although I make a good bit off DEing stuff, even dream dust). I did it mainly so I can save money on enchanting my own gear... and with level requirements on the way for disenchanting... it figures to be even more profitable and money saving to be able to have you own mats at your fingertips since everyone and their momma can't have a lvl 5 bank alt that sits by the mailbox and DEs everything for the main.

[troberson]

I see your point, but I just never expereinced anything good with it. You spend an insane amount of time and gold (gold that you lost from not being able to make money from a more profitable profession is included) and you get very little in return.

A profession is something that you should make money off of, thus the term. I just don't see much point in giving myself enchants over and over again.

Another bad thing about enchanting that I have noticed is it limits your armor in a strange way.

I have pretty good armor, but the cost of enchanting it up makes me leery from upgrading armor. My stats are always top notch for agility/strength/whatever you might want. but since they are high, the price of upgrading and reapplying those mats are too expensive to make it feasible to do. the result is I usually have high stats/low armor compared to others.

Really, just is just a few thoughts I have about the subject. Kind of bitter about it, but not too bad.

I just think that the market place is really unfair when it comes to enchanting. Every other profession has a really easy distributorship visa the AH. To sell an enchant you have to constantly deal with people trying to nickle and dime you to death. If you were able to sell enchants through auction house, at least people would have some sort of reference to what a fair rate for enchants would be.

I really think enchanting is best for a large guild, but not necessarily an individual trying to make gold .

Like I said, just a few thoughts on why enchanting has a very steep down side. If you can make money with it, more power to yah.

[Falchan]

none of the tradeskills are good for making $$$.

that's what the gathering skills are good for.

[rgirty]

to the op, good move on your part. If you picked up enchanting to make money you definitely did the write thing by dropping it. It does not make money.

I have 300 enchanting and the reason why is to enchant my own things and to DE soulbound items. My wife's char has alch/herb and I have tailoring/enchanting. The other crafting professions like leatherworking and blacksmithing are horrible IMO.

By the way, tailoring and alchemy do make money when considering time/money they do better than gathering.

On the whole herbalism makes the most money, but again probably takes the most time.

Every once in a while I'll do an enchant for someone, usually when they post "WTB fiery, have mats will tip" then they know what they are talking about and its an effortless transaction. DO NOT answer posts like "WTB red uber glowz to my sord so i can be leetz"

[troberson]

RGIRTY,

Your right, I should of thought more about it. At the time I picked up Enchanting I was in a really good guild, and it seemed worth it. Well, I took a few months off from playing, and I came back and the entire guild was gone. So I was left with no money and no real groups to raid with.

I do think you can make some really good money with top level pots. But you are definitely right about gathering, and that's what I am expecting to do.

[Oatmealsmurf]

exactly... no crafting skills make money. Think with enchanting is it is it's own gathering skill basically. You think you have it hard try being a blacksmith of any kind. My hunter is an axesmith and there are basically two things I can sell, Arcanite Reapers and Dawn's Edge and once they normalized weapon speed having a big slow two hander like on the AR made it not even close to worth the mats required. But I made 1400g by the time I hit 60 for my tailor enchanter. It really can be a profitable profession... just not via selling commonplace enchants. It can only become profitable in the long run once you start getting some of the rarer enchants... especially some of the ones that drop in raid instances... or are insanely hard to rep grind for such as +22 intellect. Enchanting is a marathon ... not a sprint. But when you are one of 2-3 people on a server with the +30 spellpower enchant for instance... you can start setting your own price because people WILL pay for stuff like that.

And in the mean time you should be able to make very good money off of DEing worthless greens from quest rewards and BoE crap like "of the boar" and other worthless stat combos. Now with level restrictions coming for Disenchanting prices for mats figure to go up a good amount as only dedicated enchanters will have the ability to provide mats. It will be a glorious day.

[rgirty]

Tailoring makes money.

Alchemy makes money.

If you want to know how, ask and i'll show you.

[mesonm]

bah...the op tried to sell a FIERY enchant for 5g, and didn't talk up with the customer that the point was to do damage?

5g for a FIERY won't make you money...But, I've sold them for much more, around 19g...Oh well.

Have sold a few crusader...etc...

But, I've made lots of cash as an alchemist, on a different toon....Flask of titans made me 45g PROFIT, until guilds started making their own....

[Beruen]

This subject comes up fairly often in guild chat, and invariably, the answer is "take a trade skill only if you want to support the guild or think it might be fun, take skinning and (herbalism or mining) if you want to make money.

In fact, one of my few ever guild chat rants (as opposed to cranky one-liners) involved someone insisting that I had to be rich because I was a skill-300 enchanter. For the record, the other rant was also someone insisting that I was rich because I had more than 6G. The response to that one was much shorter, and ended with "Besides, 6G would only buy a quarter of a quiver of the best arrows I can use."

By the time I got done describing that you only get materials by DE'ing stuff that you'd normally AH, that when you see someone saying "WTS <some enchant>, X gold" in trade where X is 50G or more then the person is probably providing the mats which probably cost close to X gold, and that all of the popular enchants are either reputation rewards needing scores of hours to earn or are drop-only that take insane luck with drops or large amounts of gold spent in the AH, very few people were considering taking enchanting and many of the low level enchanters were considering switching to something else. Oh, I also mentioned the fact that I was still grinding mats to get my runed arcanite rod, since I couldn't afford the 150G it would have cost to buy the mats that I didn't already have.

Alchemy, at least, creates consumables, so if you make a customer happy, they'll probably be back for more.

[Oatmealsmurf]

You can make money from tailoring and alchemy but tailoring you don't make a very much (mainly just selling bags) and Alchemy you get more money for the herbs for the most part. I think Major Mana Pots and Flask of the Titans are the two exceptions on my server. Other than those... better off selling herbs.

[rgirty]

Alchemy = transmute at least 5 g per day takes 30 seconds.

Bags, I make 25-35g a day.

40g a day between the two on average, it'll take a while to pick that many herbs or mine that much ore.

Takes me about 10-15 mins to do all the work in alch and tailoring.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Usually my transmutes are used for guild purposes and even when they aren't there are so many alchemists selling them that the price is down to a 2-3g profit margin for buying a crystal and selling an arcanite bar which is the most reliable way to use your transmute to turn a profit... unless you stand around ogrimmar and spam like an enchanter. Maybe that's just my server but I make very little off my transmute... and it's only once every 2 days. 2.5g per day is not what I call making money.

Runecloth bags are down to 3g per on my server as well.... I don't grind enough runecloth daily to make 8-10 bags. And if I were grinding there are better ways to make gold faster than grinding up 12 stacks of runecloth. Better off grinding Air elementals in Silithus or Toxic Horrors in felwood and then selling the core of elements and essence of air/water.

[rgirty]

I bid on the runecloth on the ah, usually 30 or 40 stacks at a time. win a good portion of them and turn those into bags for 3g each, profit isn't great but it is easy money.

Transmute= undeath to water make 5g each day. Arcanite transmute is trash now.

[Oatmealsmurf]

but you have to get the undeath to water transmute to drop for you... that's like farming for the Lifestealing Enchant which you can easily make 5g per day on even if you don't sell them daily. Only time I've seen that transmute recipe drop is off Azuregos. Otherwise you're looking at paying 300g for the recipe (unless you catch a lucky break) and you have to do 60 transmutes to make your gold back before seeing a profit.

If I were to bid on runecloth I'm looking at clearing a 1.5g per bag profit after overhead, posting fees and rune thread... and that's assuming every bag sells which they probably won't if I'm making that many. Up until I decided I wanted a raptor mount for my undead mage I was using my runecloth to make headbands... Disenchanting them and selling the illusion dust and greater eternals that I got for them.

[rgirty]

I bought the undeath to water on a planned maintenance server down night. Waited till the servers were about to go offline then submitted my bid. I got a great deal. 25g, try this method sometime.

1.5g per bag is great, i sell 10-15 bags a day and make roughly that per bag. They all sell. People are rolling lots of alts to get them to 60 pre tbc due to all the people that have more or less stopped raiding.

[Leonavice]

You are going to regret dropping enchanting 300 when BC comes. They are making DE level dependant.

Anyway regarding enchanting for money, I don't do it cos I don't want to spend time /2 in IF. It's pretty boring. I use t to enchant my alts or I enchant other people in the guild, and they enchant my main back.

All crafting professions make money. Here's some examples.

Alchemy - Transmute undeath to water, earth to living. Greater <insert resist of choice> prot pot, Elixir of mongoose, etc.

Leatherworking - Rugged armor kits during darkmoon faire

Blacksmithing - steel weapon chain

Tailoring - Runecloth bags, mooncloth, shadoweave stuff.

Engineering - Gyrochronomatrons

[amgyn]

I dont know about you guys, but i love enchanting... especially when you are the guilds enchanter and get all the good recipies from raids :-D

[Herald of Doom]

I bought the undeath to water on a planned maintenance server down night. Waited till the servers were about to go offline then submitted my bid. I got a great deal. 25g, try this method sometime.


Yeah I tried that, I was outbid 17 times in 5 minutes lol. undeath to water makes great money but on my server I have never even seen it on the ah for anything below 400 :sad:

I make a lot more money with enchanting (level enchanting using dust, sell essences,at 210 skill now) than I did with alchemy before 300 and major mana potions (greater resist potions arent worth it anymore :undecided: ). Herbalism sells good, alchemy does not. If I was making a new char now he'd have herbalism/enchanting :)

PS:

[Oatmealsmurf]

exactly... you say try this method like everyone is dumb enough to list that recipe for a 25g bid. If that recipe is ever up the low bid on my server has never been less than 200g.

It's not as simple as trying to bid on it on a maintenance day. You just got lucky Rgirty. Some one didn't realize the value of the recipe and just happened to put it up on a scheduled maintenance day where you just happened to be lucky enough to be the last one to see it and get a bid in.

He if it's that easy, then try this method for making money. Just bid on righteous orbs when they are listed for 5g on the AH prior to maintenance day and you'll clean up. Sounds pretty foolish doesn't it... because virtually no one puts a righteous orb up for a 5g bid.

You getting the recipe that cheap was a true anomaly... it happens... I was lucky enough to get the greater fire resist recipe for 50g which I turned around and sold for 300g... but I can't count on that happening again... and you can't expect for any particular item to be that underpriced on a given day.

[Twoflower]

for money, shop and resell in the AH.

ask kcma.

for enchanting, it is good to have to disenchant, and there are some enchants still worth a ton. I have most AQ recipies and all MC recipies, i still charge 5-10g per enchant. But as said above, forget the idea of using professions for moneymaking alltogether.

Just ignore the people who want free enchants. There are enugh people around, specialy in raiding guilds, which know what a enchant is worth.

All in all, i cal recomend enchanting as much as any other profession. Just dont expect to become rich whit it, that s what the AH is for.

edit : about the discussion about ah speculation right above me : Belive in it. I didnt at first either, but my main sits on 1k + gold now and i know for sure it was not cause i sold so many of the cloth thingies i was tailoring. There are OFTEN possibilities for cheap items, there are ALWAYS some people who dont know what an item is worth. You just have to look for them, belive in it, and buy coldblooded once a possibility appears. I make 300 - 500 g a month, and i am looking into the AH maybee twice a week. On a VERY old server whit VERY fix prices, some people controlling entire markets etc etc. Still there are possibilities.

[Oatmealsmurf]

AH is definitely a reality... that's how I have most of my gold. I'm just saying you can't count on a specific item showing up at such a discount at a specific time.

[rgirty]

It's not as simple as trying to bid on it on a maintenance day. You just got lucky Rgirty.

I'm glad people think that, just keep on thinking that way.

Things i've bought that way-

Unholy enchant for 35g sold for 285
Righteous orbs 5-10g x many times over sell for 25g
Countless essences and enchanting mats.

Yeah, i'm just really lucky. I'll just keep on being lucky every monday night and everyone else can keep on saying how lucky I am and that it can't be done.

[Oatmealsmurf]

I'm glad people think that, just keep on thinking that way.

Things i've bought that way-

Unholy enchant for 35g sold for 285
Righteous orbs 5-10g x many times over sell for 25g
Countless essences and enchanting mats.

Yeah, i'm just really lucky. I'll just keep on being lucky every monday night and everyone else can keep on saying how lucky I am and that it can't be done.


You don't even understand what I'm saying do you? You aren't lucky by playing the AH successfully... It was luck that you got that particular transmute. I told you myself I've gotten things undervalued. I once got a golden pearl for 1.25 silver... That doesn't mean I can count on doing that repeatedly.

There are always bargains to be found and money to be made on the AH... and truthfully from reading your posts in the money making threads I understood that fact well before you did. What you implied however was that any alchemist could go on the AH and get a rare recipe that drops off world bosses (which are only killable once a week by a single guild) for 25g just because they look for it prior to maintenance. I check the AH prior to server shut down every week... and I check recipes for tailoring, alchemy and enchanting every day... I have yet to see a transmute undeath to water for 25g. I have seen other recipes for insanely cheap and you probably haven't seen those. You got lucky by getting that recipe which enabled you to make 5g per day for cheap.

But for most people to get that recipe they had to either pay 300g approximately or had to win a roll for the drop of a world boss. Paying 300g means you need 60 days until you can start turning a profit with the transmute... and the world bosses only spawn once a week and only one guild can kill them each week. That means transmuting undeath to water is not an "easy" way for alchemists to make money. Not only is it a rare recipe... it's not one that is farmable in the traditional sense.

I mean congrats on your shrewd purchase but that is simply not a reality for MOST people... and just because they choose to be an alchemist does not mean they will ever make money off that recipe. Most people will never have the oppourtunity to get their hands on most of the rare recipes for their crafting professions.

[rgirty]

Ok, i'll agree to your point most people can't make money from alchemy.

I've gotten extremely lucky and am just a very rare case. I'll agree to that.

I'll refrain from posting any further that alchemy can make most people money.

I make about 15g per flask that I create, about 50-75 silver from every greater nature pot, roughly 1g per greater shadow pot and about 80s-1g from every greater arcane elixir that I create.

However people should take this with a grain of salt, I am an extremely casual player who has only raided 3 times and is equipped with 0 gear from anything above ubrs. I play max 3 hours a day and most of the time only for about an hour or so. I am however extremely lucky and manage to make gold consistently with my crafting professions with little difficulty.

Again, i'd like to agree with oatmealsmurf I'm extremely lucky most people can't make money from alchemy so don't pick it, leave it for lucky people like myself who can make money from it.

[Oatmealsmurf]

I so hate when people argue this way. Trying to argue isolated points without taking the totality of the subject. This is the bottomline with alchemy:

It is a profitable profession... there are a lot of potions you can make that will turn you a profit. However, you can increase your profit if you sell the herbs that go into them. You can make money with greater nature pots... but you make more money if you sell the dreamfoil and elemental earth. You can make money with Major Health pots... but you make more money selling the Golden Sansam and Mountain Silversage... you can make money on Elixer of Shadow Power, Elixer of Mongoose but you make more money selling ghost mushrooms, plaguebloom and Silversage (or is it dreamfoil?).

You can make money of the rare transmutes and flasks IF you are lucky enough to have them drop for you... but for instance in about 60 runs in UBRS probably 100 in Scholo and Strat I've seen the Flaks of the Titans drop once, the Flask of Supreme Power drop once and never seen the Flask of Distilled Wisdom or Chromatic Resistance drop... or if you are lucky enough to catch them at a bargain which you simply cannot count on happening.

Now RGirty you can get all sarcastic if you want... but saying you got the transmute undeath to water for 25g based on anything other than luck is false. You were smart enough to put yourself in a position that you were able to take advantage of your luck ... but the fact that someone put that recipe on the block for that insanely cheap price was not a function of any skill you may have possessed.

Saying alchemists can easily make 5g a day off that transmute is false because it's not an "easy" recipe to get.

That being said... alchemy is probably the most profitable crafting profession... but you're still going to make more money in the long run by selling the raw materials instead.

[mesonm]

Chill guys...Some make money off Alch, and some don't...

Making money off the herbs is also good, and I've certianly done it...

Making money off farming Essence of Air and Living essence is not tough, but isn't everyone's cup of tea...

Just try stuff and do what you like...Money will come.

[rgirty]

I guess easily was the keyword, I should not have said easily.

I should have said luckily.

I was just giving my experiences with the professions. Next time I'll be sure to add a disclaimer saying that one may not be as "lucky" as I have been but this has been my experience.

[BlueEyesAustin]

Transmute Undead to Water on AH for 5 gold :grin:

Bot in Felwood grinding 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and flooding the Essence of Water Market :cry:

[rgirty]

Transmute water to air, i do this a lot now.

Buy water off ah for 2g, transmute to air sell for 8g.

But you need to remember, that I am lucky.

I ran ubrs for like the 5th time ever over the weekend and flask of chromatic resistance dropped. My wife (she's the alchemist) won the roll. I play her char a lot but she was on that night.

[dgrampa]

Bit-ter.... I love enchanting. But I didn't take it to make money off of. (Although I make a good bit off DEing stuff, even dream dust). I did it mainly so I can save money on enchanting my own gear... and with level requirements on the way for disenchanting... it figures to be even more profitable and money saving to be able to have you own mats at your fingertips since everyone and their momma can't have a lvl 5 bank alt that sits by the mailbox and DEs everything for the main.

Just wondering where the heck you got this idea?

[Tanitha]

What you implied however was that any alchemist could go on the AH and get a rare recipe that drops off world bosses (which are only killable once a week by a single guild) for 25g just because they look for it prior to maintenance. I check the AH prior to server shut down every week... and I check recipes for tailoring, alchemy and enchanting every day... I have yet to see a transmute undeath to water for 25g.

This has been an interesting topic so far - I'd have argued against dropping the Enchanting too simply because you have the option of being a Guild Enchanter. That way the Guild helps out with Enchanting Materials, you Enchant for them - it's a two way street and a little profit for everyone. A supplemental role, so to speak.

My one question though is why would using the Auction House on a Monday night before scheduled maintenance be so advantageous? What happens then?

[dgrampa]

Most smart people will usually only bid on items that are listed as 'short' or at most 'medium.'

Because the server usually goes down for ~6 hours or more (often more, like tomorrow I'd be surprised if it isn't down for 12+ hours) you can often bid on items with low bids that still have 'long' period of time before auction ends. Because many people do not realize the server will be down for so long, they miss the fact that the auctions with 'long' duration will end before the server comes back up and you can find some really good deals this way.

[Tanitha]

Because the server usually goes down for ~6 hours or more (often more, like tomorrow I'd be surprised if it isn't down for 12+ hours) you can often bid on items with low bids that still have 'long' period of time before auction ends.

:shocked: That is genius! (Doh-slaps forehead) Now you can see what separates the experienced players from the newbies. Truely sneaky, evil tricks like that which should in actual fact have a place in some kind of Clever Tricks Hall of Fame.

Thanks for the tip, dgrampa.

[mesonm]

:shocked: That is genius! (Doh-slaps forehead) Now you can see what separates the experienced players from the newbies. Truely sneaky, evil tricks like that which should in actual fact have a place in some kind of Clever Tricks Hall of Fame.

Thanks for the tip, dgrampa.


Actually, it is because folks like us who use it don't publish it that the technique is profitable...

:thumbsup:

[Tanitha]

Actually, it is because folks like us who use it don't publish it that the technique is profitable...

:laugh: Maybe we should get Snowie to delete the posts ...

/wave

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