How do you level with the gankers?

[Nortap]

Before I start don't take this as a complaint I like playing on a PVP realm.

How do you level on the PVP realms? I am having trouble going in to Hillsbrad for the first time and I can barely even leave Tarren Mill without getting stabbed from behind by a ??. I was trying to kill some lions and by the time I can get one down another ambush.

Will this get better, is it mainly Hillsbrad that is like this? I think my main problem is probably that I like to solo and am an easy target that way.
My main strategy right now is to run and hope they run in to a higher level Horde on the way back to the Mill.

Any advise?

[cdalman]

Welcome to life in a PvP world! Hillsbrad has always been a ganker paridise from the begining! Horde and alliance within a 30 sec walk of each other.

It does get better as you start to lvl up more, but there are always gonna be those much higher then you or those jumping you while fighting something else etc.

The nice thing is, there are generally a couple places to quest for every lvl range so if one area is getting ganked to much for ya, then just move else where for awhile. You can also try and quest in hot spot areas during off times such as early morning or late night and do other things like BG during peak times.

Hillsbrad and STV tend to be the worst places for being ganked on a regular basis. Sad part is that for horde there are a ton of quests in hillsbrad and for both there are a ton in STV. Learn to love it!

[Ebgreen]

Go to Stone Talon. Much less ganking there than Hillsbrad imo.

[mesonm]

I am having trouble going in to Hillsbrad for the first time and I can barely even leave Tarren Mill without getting stabbed from behind by a ??.

My bad...He is only killing you because I've killed his lowbie brother so many times...

[oglethorpey]

Yeah, Hillsbrad sucks for leveling without getting ganked. I've found stranglethorn vale pretty bad too because of the arena there. Areas on Kalimdor are probably better for leveling if you are horde. kind how it goes with pvp though

[Mincemaker]

Two options: Move to Ashenvale or Stonetalon OR tolerate getting ganked.

I chose the former. It saves you the frustration.

[Farq]

It would also raise the question, I know its a PvP server and all, but the person wont get a HK or any Honor for killing someone if they are that many levels above them... why do people gank in the first place? as either horde or alliance, I dont really see the point... I know on occasion you might think its funny to just randomly hit someone you know you can kill, but I have heard so many stories of corpse-camping etc that to me, just seems like a 12 year old with the brain capacity of a flea needs to get out more... lol

[Mincemaker]

It would also raise the question, I know its a PvP server and all, but the person wont get a HK or any Honor for killing someone if they are that many levels above them... why do people gank in the first place? as either horde or alliance, I dont really see the point... I know on occasion you might think its funny to just randomly hit someone you know you can kill, but I have heard so many stories of corpse-camping etc that to me, just seems like a 12 year old with the brain capacity of a flea needs to get out more... lol

There are several reasons, and here's what I can think of.

These people either sucks so much in PVP or lost Battlegrounds too much that they have to take out their frustration on helpless lowbies.

These people have superiority complex and feels the need to impose their 'superiority' on lowbies.

These people were bullies in real life and has the urge to bully lowbies.

These people are just idiots who don't understand that lowbies don't give honor and corpse camping gives diminishing honor (probably the same one who thought that killing more people in BG gives more honor, when the truth is you get more honor from WINNING).

[lythrdskynrd]

There are several reasons, and here's what I can think of.

These people either sucks so much in PVP or lost Battlegrounds too much that they have to take out their frustration on helpless lowbies.

These people have superiority complex and feels the need to impose their 'superiority' on lowbies.

These people were bullies in real life and has the urge to bully lowbies.

These people are just idiots who don't understand that lowbies don't give honor and corpse camping gives diminishing honor (probably the same one who thought that killing more people in BG gives more honor, when the truth is you get more honor from WINNING).

my guess is that it's the same reason i'd go to deadmines at lvl 60
just for a bit of a laugh

i'm sure that if i were on a PVP server it would have happened to me
countless times - so I imagine that I'd not feel bad about going out
and doing it

now most of the time I just go doing regular quests and whatever
but every once in a while heading off to do something different

[rgirty]

Forget all the reasons why this happens. That discussion is huge. Here are some keys to a rp-pvp. I've leveled up multiple char's and will give you my experiences.

1. Stay away from hillsbrad.
2. Stay away from STV.
3. Stay away from the eastern portion of arathai.
4. Stay away from the badlands.
5. Stay away from Unguro crater.

People might come back and say, but you are missing so much of the game. Really all you miss by not going to these zones is long corpse runs. Stick to instances and out of the way places if you want to level.

If you want to see the world and various zones, get ready to be ganked. On my server I still get routinely ganked going from light's hope to strat and that is on a full speed run w/epic mount + trinket.

[Mincemaker]

Forget all the reasons why this happens. That discussion is huge. Here are some keys to a rp-pvp. I've leveled up multiple char's and will give you my experiences.

1. Stay away from hillsbrad.
2. Stay away from STV.
3. Stay away from the eastern portion of arathai.
4. Stay away from the badlands.
5. Stay away from Unguro crater.

People might come back and say, but you are missing so much of the game. Really all you miss by not going to these zones is long corpse runs. Stick to instances and out of the way places if you want to level.

If you want to see the world and various zones, get ready to be ganked. On my server I still get routinely ganked going from light's hope to strat and that is on a full speed run w/epic mount + trinket.

Listen to this advice if you don't want to go insane dealing with corpse-camps and ganks.

[binerx]

Those others are pretty much ok. I have to agree with Hillsbrad and STV though. If you go there alone, it's like shouting: "kill me".

[Binary Stylus]

Hmmm - Due to my experiences in STV I've made a vow that, (Only and ONLY), in STV I will hit EVERYONE I can kill/gank/etc - without hesitation. On any other area its /hello /bow /wave and you usually get left alone - and I don't hit on lower lvls - I like to even team up with opposition and start killing stuff together - its sort of fun.

And Lets face it - when a lowbie sees you - and you see them freeze and stop doing what they were doing and starting to back away - I'm sure you can see the relief in their body language when you type /wave. TBH: from the typical Lowbie reaction to you, (a LVL??), to all intents and purposes you've already Owned them. And its Ace when you see a lowbie struggling and you charge in and help them - not just get a crappy kill.

But STV is different - there is a special place in my heart for STV - in STV - well in STV I will Gank everything - and enjoy EVERY cheap shot kill that I can get (I draw the line at camping a corpse) - Q: lowbie struggling with raptor? A: Kill Lowbie. Or just help the raptor by putting CoA, Immolate and Corruption on lowbie. . . Etc. Its rightous fun.

Basically because When I was in STV it happened to me - to the point where I was crying in frustration.

But its all part of the Charm of STV.

Lets face it the missions in STV are all - Kill 20 of X - collect 20 of Y (I.E. Kill 60 of stuff that drops Y) - etc. They aren't complicated. But you know you are going to get hit. It started to get quite cool when to do the missions you were creeping around at the total edge of maps - hugging the vegitation - hiding behind trees - and running away when you see a red name. It added an element of hide and seek.

So Yeah - if you are just wanting to do quests then STV can be irritating - it was for me. But then one day you'll see that the "Hide and seek" factor - pulling enemys back to your hiding place to kill them - creeping around - etc - is really cool.

I really missed my STV days - and can't wait to go back there as a lowbie again. I might even lose the chip on my shoulder the second time round :P

[Ryste]

Hmmm - Due to my experiences in STV I've made a vow that, (Only and ONLY), in STV I will hit EVERYONE I can kill/gank/etc - without hesitation. On any other area its /hello /bow /wave and you usually get left alone - and I don't hit on lower lvls - I like to even team up with opposition and start killing stuff together - its sort of fun.

And Lets face it - when a lowbie sees you - and you see them freeze and stop doing what they were doing and starting to back away - I'm sure you can see the relief in their body language when you type /wave. TBH: from the typical Lowbie reaction to you, (a LVL??), to all intents and purposes you've already Owned them. And its Ace when you see a lowbie struggling and you charge in and help them - not just get a crappy kill.

But STV is different - there is a special place in my heart for STV - in STV - well in STV I will Gank everything - and enjoy EVERY cheap shot kill that I can get (I draw the line at camping a corpse) - Q: lowbie struggling with raptor? A: Kill Lowbie. Or just help the raptor by putting CoA, Immolate and Corruption on lowbie. . . Etc. Its rightous fun.

Basically because When I was in STV it happened to me - to the point where I was crying in frustration.

But its all part of the Charm of STV.

Lets face it the missions in STV are all - Kill 20 of X - collect 20 of Y (I.E. Kill 60 of stuff that drops Y) - etc. They aren't complicated. But you know you are going to get hit. It started to get quite cool when to do the missions you were creeping around at the total edge of maps - hugging the vegitation - hiding behind trees - and running away when you see a red name. It added an element of hide and seek.

So Yeah - if you are just wanting to do quests then STV can be irritating - it was for me. But then one day you'll see that the "Hide and seek" factor - pulling enemys back to your hiding place to kill them - creeping around - etc - is really cool.

I really missed my STV days - and can't wait to go back there as a lowbie again. I might even lose the chip on my shoulder the second time round :P

Just a wild guess, you play on alliance?

[Binary Stylus]

Yes!

Its rough there!

But I'm not as bitter now as I once was LOL

[Ryste]

Yes!

Its rough there!

But I'm not as bitter now as I once was LOL

Not because it's rough there. I just took a guess from the way you posted the message. Typical alliance way of thinking.

Believe it or not, (at least for myself) I think differently when I am on horde and when I am on alliance.

I think almost like you when I play alliance, because if I go up against an equal level horde, I have to play above average most of the time to win. Average just won't do. Therefore I think about my chances of winning before I make the attack.

When I am on my horde character, I attack "ANY" alliance character at any level range without remorse or thinking, because 99% of the alliance players are easy kills. Playing with both factions, 2 level 60 hordes, 2 level 60 alliance; alliance has LESS skillful players than hordes.

Do I play better with my horde chars vs. my alliance chars? No. Psychologically I already have an advantage before I go in the battle with my horde character though. This is main reasons my guild started playing alliance because we want better challenges more often, hordes winning majority of the WSG/AB is a good proof. There's no satisfaction taking candies from babies. Thus reasons why when I watch PVP movies, horde ones don't impress me, alliance do.

I never have the thought of "losing" a fight when I am playing my horde characters even when I am out geared. However, when I am playing on the alliance side, the thought of "I might lose" often times across the back of my mind. This is makes pvp exciting for me. I don't know why, I think it's all the fluffy crap nightelves, gnomes and humans alliance environment. I walk in Orgrimmar on my horde chars, I felt WAR; I walk in stormwind or ironforge, I felt taking a walk on the beach.

[Kikinas]

It would also raise the question, I know its a PvP server and all, but the person wont get a HK or any Honor for killing someone if they are that many levels above them... why do people gank in the first place? as either horde or alliance, I dont really see the point... I know on occasion you might think its funny to just randomly hit someone you know you can kill, but I have heard so many stories of corpse-camping etc that to me, just seems like a 12 year old with the brain capacity of a flea needs to get out more... lol
I play on an RP/PvP server, so I gank because I'm in-character, and I've just spotted a vile enemy I can take out.

And because ganking is part of the reason to play on a PvP server. In fact, it's the only reason. World PvP. If you want to be protected and coddled, go play a regular server. I like the little rush I get whenever I spot those red names. I especially like it when someone close to my level tries to gank me, and I take them out.

It's world PvP. It's why PvP servers exist.
When I am on my horde character, I attack "ANY" alliance character at any level range without remorse or thinking, because 99% of the alliance players are easy kills. Playing with both factions, 2 level 60 hordes, 2 level 60 alliance; alliance has LESS skillful players than hordes.
My highest level character is a 45 paladin. However, I'm now playing a Tauren Hunter on another server, and he's up to 22. As a paladin, I made the enemy work for their gank, at the very least I'd bubble and run, to make em chase me a bit. Hunter, not so much, I'm easy prey to any ??.

However, if they're my level, it's completely different. I was fishing in Stonetalon yesterday, when I was 20, and a 21 Druid snuck up on me in catform and completely sucker punched me; didn't see them until they hit me.

I swapped my melee weapon back in, tried to Wing Clip them but they resisted or I missed or something, but I managed to swing things through and take them down, barely, anyway. My melee weapon was crap; it was a level 10 or 12 quest reward that was okay at the time, but garbage now. If I'd been an Alliance hunter, I don't think I'd have pulled it off. The Druid was simply an idiot; he didn't know what he was doing. I know, I've got a 29 druid, and if I gank someone my level or lower in catform, they go down FAST.

Also, BGs. The first one I ran as a Hordie with my Hunter, we all crowded one gate and did /train while we ran out. No plan. Then we sat in front of our gate and slaughtered the Alliance as they trickled in, while one guy ran and snagged their flag. Eventually, me and another hunter wandered over to their base, and took up position on the balcony, raining fire on any Alliance that stepped into the flag room. And destroying anyone who tried to stop us, even when they came 3 at a time.


I don't like saying, or even thinking, that I'm awesome. But I see so many blithering idiots, making mistakes I never made even my first time through, and it disturbs me. Warriors who don't understand the first thing about aggro. People who run around catching aggro from half a room and then complaining to the priest about dying, when they wipe the entire party. I really don't think I'm all that good at the game. I do, however, think the majority of players are really, really bad at it, especially at lower levels.

[Binary Stylus]

Yeah - interesting - I am Alliance and although I dont RP - I think you choose you faction based on your Personality and so you are sort of RPing implicitly.

Yeah. I was a pretty good Alliance Warrior (I thought my skill was OK). I Was a weak fighter though because I was a duel wield fury warrior and that build is not strong - its pve - and besides I was mostly greens - and warriors are very gear dependant. And yeah - I probably sucked - BUT I did use all the stuff going and I had different stratergies for different enemy types and different types of encounters.

But at the end of the day I probably got killed 70% of the time - and sometimes I got attacked by lower levels and would die just as quick. TBH any class that could just kite me or stun me would win. Ergo: Rogues won every fight and Ice Mages just laughed at me.

Maybe if I'd gone arms build and just cookie cutter - or pushed my gear to epic - then it would have been different.

Dunno - I'm rubbish at pvp but love being on a pvp server

:P

[rgirty]

Like i said before, i'm not going to post some 500 word post. Just follow my simple guide I posted earlier for reduced gankage. If you follow those simple tips leveling will be much easier.

[Lazt]

Ya, its just where you are.

Most places you wont have such problems.

I even killed a horde last night that was in my area, and then I was going to kill him again when he revived but like 5 seconds after i killed him following behind him was a level 40+ idk because it was to high for me to see level. It came up and walked around me in circles.. while i was stealthed. lol. Basically telling me GTFO. I was amazed that he didnt pown me!!

Ive never had a problem leveling though. Only a couple of times there have been horde that will come to a well populated area and kill tons of alliance people, and then they would retreat. Never had them constantly stop me from leveling. And even when they did stay for a while, I could just run around them... they dont chase down every single little person that they see normally.

[Kondar]

Avoid STV until mid-40's. I tried it at 35, 38, 39, and now 41. Every time was an exercise in futility. Being corpse camped by two people on epic mounts is tough. The zone seems like it would one of my favorites: a lot of quests, tons of skinning opportunities, and more herbs than I've ever seen. I'll give it another try when I'm about level 45. And I will kill all players I can.

I would recommend Swamp of Sorrows. I have not been ganked there yet, (I'm sure I just jinxed it) and only occasionally do I see the opposing faction. Lots of mobs to skin and decent enough for herbalism too. Even a dragon that you need to avoid in one part. This really seems to be a zone with few people most of the time. I'm assuming because there are not many quests associated with it. That is my assumption on the quests at least, I have not found many.

[rgirty]

On my server people of the opposite faction will gank you, setup a campfire on your back for them and their buddies then spend hours their telling some RP stories. One shotting you any time you rez, using fear to keep you from progressing toward the GY.

Spirit rez is the ticket here.

[semisonic9]

I think it also depends on what class you are and how readily you can defend yourself. How fast you can recover for campers is important too.

For my priest, it wasn't until 40s that he really gained some self-defense.

[Binarybit]

I am so angry and sad with the Ganking in Hllsbrad that i just give up! Ganking can be fun when you contesting an area or stalking common prey. When you are both similar lvls and its a fair fight. But when some 30lvls above you just one shots you it ruins it.

I found this forum while looking for a vigilante forum. I can not quest in Hillsbrad, Taren Mill is under constant attack. Corps campers everything. It really sucks.

The only way i can justify ganking is that these lowbie attackers were given a hard time in there day and its some sort of justice. You know pick on the little brother because the big brother beat you up.

[Imraath]

Where are the high level horde when this is happening?

[Tanitha]

If they're anything like the high level Alliance players on The Venture Co busy preening around the mailbox in Stormwind or screaming "L2P nub roll c4r3b34r ^_^" or something idiotic like that.

Ganking happens. It's part of leveling on a PvP server. I've found a few ways around that, but my personal favourite is to simply log out and play an Alt for a while. The ganker/high level camper sits around and wastes their time while you get to play a nice and active game.

Or simply resurrect when they've moved on and carry on with what you're doing. Vengeance will be ours oneday.

[Alexfrog]

There is only one reason to play on pvp servers: in order to have a completely unfair fight against an unprepared opponent, kill them repeatedly, and make them miserable.

You can be on a normal realm and do pvp, you do it in battlegrounds, arenas, pvp zones in high level areas, etc. These are all 'fair fights'. (To some degree or another). Also, everyone participating in them has agreed to participate, and thus cant complain if they are killed, becuase they are choosing to do pvp.


If you play on a pvp server you essentially are agreeing to allow other players to attack you at almost any time, in incredibly unfair circumstances (level capped palyers versus lowbies, group vs one person, etc). They are also allowed by the game rules to kill you repeatedly as you respawn as many times as they want.

What do you gain for this: You gain the ability to do it to other people.


If you do not have a desire to fight unfair battles against less prepared people, kill them, and piss them off, then there is no reason to be on a pvp server. If it pisses you off when people do this to you, then you need to think about wether you want to do it back to them badly enough to go through the process ofleveling up in a pvp server.


If you are trying to level on a pvp server, the only way to really avoid gankers is to go where they dont go very much. This means there will be areas of the game that you cannot experience. STV being one of the most prevalent. No matter what you do you cant survive as a level 40 against a level 60+ trying to repeatedly kill you. All you can do is give up and go somewhere else. Presumably, you are attempting to level on a pvp server, instead of a normal one, because you intend to kill people in unfair fights later on. I guess you have to suffer first, before making others suffer later.


I dont play on a pvp server because I dont want to get ganked, and have no interest in ganking others. If you dont like it, dont play on those realms!

[Tanitha]

There is only one reason to play on pvp servers: in order to have a completely unfair fight against an unprepared opponent, kill them repeatedly, and make them miserable.

There is also the excitement of having random battles, frenetic melees of whirling blades and arcane magic raining down. There's nothing quite like the visceral, gritty reality of the war between the factions which you'll only experience on a PvP server.

9 out of the 10 random encounters I had were with players within 4 levels of me (Both above and below). The remaining one was an Undead Rogue ?? who slaughtered me, but hey - you need a thick skin to play PvP. Warlocks have the bonus of Demon Armour though :grin:

Note - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that there is a lot more to a PvP realm than unfair fights, repeat kills and making other players miserable.

[Imraath]

Completely agree with Tanitha here... The best PvP experiences i've had were world pvp (and usually not initiated by me). The BGs don't even come close.

[Mincemaker]

I joined PVP server just so I can stalk people and then kill them. That's the beauty of a PVP server, you could get killed by the opposite faction at any time. You will have to be wary of everything around you, for you can get attacked at any moment.

And it mimics a world in conflict very closely too.

The thrill of stalking or being stalked, or playing cat and mouse games or having to be alert all the time, and the unpredictability of it all. That's the beauty of a PVP server.

[Tanitha]

The thrill of stalking or being stalked, or playing cat and mouse games or having to be alert all the time, and the unpredictability of it all. That's the beauty of a PVP server.

Heck yeah! That's why I play Swamp Thing in Stranglethorn Vale. (Warlock submerged with Unending Breath and scouting with Eye of Killrog before unleashing an invisible Succubus) Suddenly seeing an area littered with corpses and skeletons takes on a whole new meaning.

I couldn't imagine playing on any other type of server. Sure, some days it is painful but when the stars are aligned or whatever there's just so much fun in it. Even dying a grisly death is fun sometimes, especially when you know you've given your all.

And the management of health and mana while grinding and watching for random attacks, not even to mention adds makes for a very interesting and - I reckon skillful - playstyle.

[Imraath]

And the management of health and mana while grinding and watching for random attacks, not even to mention adds makes for a very interesting and - I reckon skillful - playstyle.
Oh, and the satisfaction when you pull off a victory over the enemy who jumps you when you're at 3/4 health and just started attacking another mob... Oh, so sweet! And then to be fast enought to hit the /pitty macro :D

[lowchia]

Listen to this advice if you don't want to go insane dealing with corpse-camps and ganks.

My advice is that go to PVE server, if u dun like to kill or afraid to be grank...y go there in the first place.

PVP is there to be killed and kill ppl!!

[murderousmic]

I agree that the uncertainty of PVP is what makes it so cool. Last night in AH I was mining near the ogre mound, minding my own business and got surprised by a rogue a couple levels higher than me. I wasn't expecting it at all and got worked.

Well, I rezed got to full health real quick and got my pet in order (im Dwarf Hunter) and went out to find the bastad. Found him grinding the ogres so I waited a sec and unleashed hell. Caught him so off guard like he did to me that he went down with the quickness. Then I went back to mining but I was very alert. Well the rogue came back for more and we fought probably like six times and after I knew to expect some attacks I won most of the remaining fights. More whored came eventually and I called for more Alliance and a few came and we had a little battle there over and over for no reason.

And, I got some Iron ore inbetween.

[Oatmealsmurf]

There is only one reason to play on pvp servers: in order to have a completely unfair fight against an unprepared opponent, kill them repeatedly, and make them miserable.

You can be on a normal realm and do pvp, you do it in battlegrounds, arenas, pvp zones in high level areas, etc. These are all 'fair fights'. (To some degree or another). Also, everyone participating in them has agreed to participate, and thus cant complain if they are killed, becuase they are choosing to do pvp.



Completely disagree. My main raiding toon and the first one I took to 70 is on a PvE server along with my very first character who is a Hunter (still level 60). I have a Mage lvl 60 and a warrior lvl 39 on a pvp server.

PvP servers can be frustrating to level due to gankers and yes a lot of times they will out level you to the point of hopelessness. But nothing is really different on a PvE server except for the cowards have an extra tool called "flagging for pvp".

Perfect example of this... I got bored of grinding rep with my lock so I switched over to my Hunter, flag up and decided to pvp a little in Hellfire Peninsula doing the pvp objectives. Of course I get jumped by a lvl 70 (balance druid). Which is cool... I know I'm very much out matched but I wanted to get back into the swing of things and enjoy a challenge. So he kills me a couple times ... camps my corpse... then I'm finally able to rez and get away to regroup. I come back... get jumped again only this time since I'm at full health and prepared I start kiting him... getting him down to about 20% before he finishes me off.

So what happens now?... he leaves and then comes back when his pvp flag has gone away... so he's standing in front of me and I can't do anything while he pops his trinkets and winds up Starfire... then calls his treants... He keeps trying to use this method... most of the time I just eat the starfire then scattershot, freeze trap... aspect and run to regroup... but that's basically the way things go for a good hour and half with him mounting up (flying mount) getting out of my range and waiting until his pvp flag expires so he can get a guaranteed starfire off before I can do anything.

Then when I decide to teach him a lesson by bringing my lock in and allowing my hunter to be killed close to where I logged my lock out... which I then promptly destroyed him in 5 seconds. He can just wait until his flag expires and rez without being camped back... (which of course he did).

THAT is a pve server for you. A bunch of people that can't even play the world pvp objectives with honor against someone 10 levels lower than him. Almost no one flags up before they attack you to give you a chance to proactively defend yourself. They use the flag to get at least one big nuke off with impugnity.

I prefer world pvp on a pvp server. At least there if you're smart you can avoid gankers. The idea for pve servers is a nice one but too many cowards that exploit the flagging system make it flawed in it's execution.

[Ebgreen]

I will add that one of the fastest ways to find someone high level from the opposing faction is to corpse camp a lowbie. They will dutifully summon one or more high levels for you to then get on with the pvping with.

[Mincemaker]

My advice is that go to PVE server, if u dun like to kill or afraid to be grank...y go there in the first place.

PVP is there to be killed and kill ppl!!

Well, we all go to PVP server because we love the uncertainty and the danger of it. But getting killed repeatedly by someone exceeding 20 levels than you are is not cool, therefore, what we can do is to avoid the gankers completely. To do that, we must know what are the hotspots so we can avoid those places like a plague.

[earindur]

Heck yeah! That's why I play Swamp Thing in Stranglethorn Vale. (Warlock submerged with Unending Breath and scouting with Eye of Killrog before unleashing an invisible Succubus) Suddenly seeing an area littered with corpses and skeletons takes on a whole new meaning.

i tried this in nagrand, near the consortium base. the nearby horde were grinding on draenai mobs and my eye of kilrogg was scouting for an easy gank while i was happily taking a bath. id say its even more effective if you have grim reach...

a few more warlocks came down to see what the fuss was all about, they found it so effective in fact that my guild started to call it the sublock.

eventually a ton of lvl 70's came over and owned us, but its fun to try new things :P

[Falgorn]

Did a semi sublock last night!

There was a Horde party summoning outside Steamvault (all around 63, 64) so I presume they were heading to Underbog or Slave pens.

Anyway, as I swam through the tunnel I couldn't resist the urge to take the 4 of them on. I'm pretty sure the water is clear and I think my tag must have been showing especially when I went above water to open up but It's the fastest I've ever seen 4 horde die. Had Seed of Corruption on two of them before anyone reacted, got the other two seeded and dropped a shadowfury. Rogue and hunter died instantly, mage took a shadowburn to finsh and warrior required an immo conflag.

Thankfully whoever was doing the healing hadn't arrived yet!

[sethus]

If they're anything like the high level Alliance players on The Venture Co busy preening around the mailbox in Stormwind or screaming "L2P nub roll c4r3b34r ^_^" or something idiotic like that.

Ganking happens. It's part of leveling on a PvP server. I've found a few ways around that, but my personal favourite is to simply log out and play an Alt for a while. The ganker/high level camper sits around and wastes their time while you get to play a nice and active game.

Or simply resurrect when they've moved on and carry on with what you're doing. Vengeance will be ours oneday.

hehe you must be joking :)...on Venture co noone cares on gankers, just too busy with doing business, thats why i decide to switch to horde side on other server even i have loads of gold on there

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[Unholy_VI]

I've posted about this before and people

(mostly horde people I imagine) just ignore it or flame about it. FACT: If you are horde you can quest and grind and never leave friendly territory until the low 30's. (Barrens...)

By that time you start running Scarlet Monastary. It is totally possible to get to about level 45 without ever entering a neutral territory.

Alliance... well by the low 20's you are about out of options. There are the gnomes at the entrance to gnomeregon (sp?) and I can't think of anything else I've run into. A lot of horde realize this I'm sure and choose to level and quest in ashenvale, STV and the like. But Choose is the operative word here.

As an alliance player I reccomend you get all of the flightpaths to all of the possible leveling areas for your level range and when an area is too hot you move on. Don't listen to the people who say 'well why ya play on a PVP server then huh?' that's moronic. you play the same reason they do, to get your levels get your gear and have some pvp fun along the way. Not to get wiped out by level 70 rogues while you are still level 25

the other advice is this : don't get fixated on a qest or line of quests. you make just as much exp/unit of time grinding in a relatively safe area as you do running from this town to that town and back on quests anyhow.
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[Drpep]

Only way not to get "ganked" on a pvp server, to the point ofbeing griefed, is to start on a new pvp server when it is made. Level as quick as possible. Besides that, you can either, make a rogue and stealth between each mob. Or play alliance. (they only wish they could even kill their own.)

[moopy]

You can always do what even Blizzard suggests, travel in groups, and be aware of your surroundings. Try it, it's fun.

FWIW, I have always had more trouble with persistent high level Alliance gankers than Horde in STV anyway. Seems like they don't like anyone who can put up a proper fight. I did enjoy the fact that as I closed the level gap with some of these dweebs, I was able to drill them into the dust as I passed, to return the favor.

[PlayThemAll]

Sometimes it can be frustrating, I only get to play for an hour or two at a time during the week and a little more on the weekend. Depending on where I am or what I am trying to do it can ruin a whole session.

Some days when all you are trying to do is complete a guest but keep getting ganked, it gets VERY frustrating. On other days, when you do some ganking of your own or have some good PvP battles, its a lot of fun.

I have several alts both PvP and PvE servers. If things get to bad or I want a change, I'll just play a different toon and/or environment for a while.

[rgirty]

Sometimes it can be frustrating, I only get to play for an hour or two at a time during the week and a little more on the weekend. Depending on where I am or what I am trying to do it can ruin a whole session.

Some days when all you are trying to do is complete a guest but keep getting ganked, it gets VERY frustrating. On other days, when you do some ganking of your own or have some good PvP battles, its a lot of fun.

I have several alts both PvP and PvE servers. If things get to bad or I want a change, I'll just play a different toon and/or environment for a while.

Or you have 2 hours or so to play and get a quick group together to do an instance only to be blocked from the instance for about 20-30 mins by the other faction.

PvP does not = PvP on a PvP server.

PvP= causing someone the most pain possible. Trying to make another player have as much difficulty as you can, then justify it by saying "qq its pvp".

If it was really pvp there would be more raids on common areas, but in fact its mostly UD roges from the horde side ganking people in lowbie areas because they enjoy to do what I stated above. If not, why else would they do it?

[kcma]

you're confusing pvp with griefing, which is a more specific form of pvping :D and yes, griefing someone is clean wholesome family oriented entertainment <3

[PlayThemAll]

PvP does not = PvP on a PvP server.


I would only half agree with this statement. Yes, I've had my share of griefing and ganking by higher levels but I have also has a lot of fun 1v1, 1v2, etc PvP with like leveled players.

[Distec]

Back to the original question, its staying away from heavily horde populated zones. STV and Hilsbrad are the main culpruts. I still level in STV since there are so many quests and good xp. Just keep off the main paths and especially Nessingwary's expedition (staying there is asking to get ganked). Doing that will minimize the amount of times you get ganked. Desolace is another option, very sparsely populated zone (but quests and xp not as good). After that, you don't have to worry about it much until you get to the outlands. You will still have random encounters, after all it is pvp. Don't let STV discourage you.

[Xaintrix]

Hahah I have run the complete gamut of emotions expressed in this thread, using STV as the main focal point. Southshore in Hillsbrad on my server is the exact brother to your Tarren Mill on yours. Horde comes rampaging through and totally tears the place to shreds weekly.

Now STV, that too has a special place in my heart.

I play an Allied shaman which already equates to an amount of horde resentment.

That said in the early going I got whomped on by ??s quite often. Would even get outright angry over getting ripped apart. Then I came to terms with it and realize that if I'm going to quest down there, I'm going to die.

Of course I leveled up through the process and even got more savvy about how to do things. In fact I'm probably the server's leading user in fish oil and have found very creative ways to use water walk.

I'm a PvE player, but on a PvP server. And I have to say that while the PvP server has warped me, it's all for the better.

I wouldn't get experiences where we'd suddenly engage a 2 (us) on 6 battle conning from -3 levels under to +3 levels over and actually wiping them out (if only for them to come back as the GY is a few hundred yards away) after they ambushed us. They eventully tore us up, but not after getting 10 kills and then running out to sea laughing all the way.

Or in Jesus mode and coming out from the sea to rip apart an even druid in the back. You can't buy moments like this on a PvE server.

Or how about being baited to go after a -5 paladin only to have a +33 warrior to come charging out after me? Thankfully we were near the ocean and I managed to just happily walk out to sea after killing their bait. Again, laughing all the way as he charged his mount into the sea.

Does it suck? Yes. But you know you really can have your moments. Think of it this way, dish out the hate and strive for equivalency. You get ganked, gank them back. If you can dish out more hurt than you take, all the better.

That said, I don't tend to engage -10 people unless they wrong me - EXCEPT - in STV now. It seems like a way of life.

[rgirty]

I would only half agree with this statement. Yes, I've had my share of griefing and ganking by higher levels but I have also has a lot of fun 1v1, 1v2, etc PvP with like leveled players.

So you squared off in a fair fight? Old west style?

If not it was ganking, if people wanted head to head combat they would be in a bg where you can even get rewards.

The truth is, some players take great joy in ruining the game for others. That is hard to swallow for some and they will defend it to death by saying QQ more its pvp but it is the hard truth.

[Xaintrix]

And those same people are the biggest whiners when they're taken out by an even con anything. There's also those rare few that get a sick pleasure out of killing those jerks. : )