Joana's 1-60

[memetootoo]

Hi on the forums I've heard people talking about the guide so I was wondering if it was worth the money, also there are many websites that offer the same guide for free and was wondering if those guides are any different from Joana.

Thank you

[mesonm]

Hi on the forums I've heard people talking about the guide so I was wondering if it was worth the money, also there are many websites that offer the same guide for free and was wondering if those guides are any different from Joana.

Thank you

Free probably isn't legal....

Worth it? I don't own it, but know someone who does, and have watched them while they used it.

Sure...Joana put quite a bit of effort into it...It will tell you what to take and when, as quests go...So, its likely worth it...But, I earn decent wages, so $37 isn't much to me...If all you have is $40, and you often have to look for more money to subscribe to WOW, then don't buy the guide.

You won't likely get even close to Joana's 4.9 days to level 60, but you'll do much better than you would otherwise do on your own...

[memetootoo]

Yeah, I was thinking the same, I'm already level 50 anyways, and those sites that offer it for free have way to many bot/program ads for me to trust them. Thanks for the help :)

Also I noticed on his site, he says that the guide is copyrighted, so I was wondering how can a guide be copyrighted, I mean i'm sure what he offers is in one form or another on various guides and tips over the net.

[Sacroth]

Nope, the guide's copyrighted, so it's all about ethics.

It includes a step-by-step guide from 1-60, split in different level sections, plus a video diary. I don't know whether that's copyrighted or not though. Moreover, it includes tips and tricks; some on fast leveling and some with emphasis on the hunter class.

I wouldn't pay $40 for it either, as I can't see myself playing with one eye at the screen and the other on a piece of paper. :ponder:

[Baal]

If you have the money and don't want to have to do any sort of exploring, thinking, or strategizing yourself, and basically just want to have someone holding your hand, walking you through every single little step... Go for it...

[kcma]

If you have the money and don't want to have to do any sort of exploring, thinking, or strategizing yourself, and basically just want to have someone holding your hand, walking you through every single little step... Go for it...

and you won't hit 4d2h played :p

[mesonm]

Also I noticed on his site, he says that the guide is copyrighted, so I was wondering how can a guide be copyrighted, I mean i'm sure what he offers is in one form or another on various guides and tips over the net.

With you not having seen the guide, I can see how you might come to that conclusion...

But, teaching about copyrights is beyond the scope of this forum...heh

[Maxie Man]

Why on earth would anyone pay for a step by step guide when they can get Jame's Guides for zippo? I realize Jame's starts at Level 30 but it is nothing to get from 1-30 on your own. Just "google" Jame's levelling guide.

[Baal]

Why on earth would anyone pay for a step by step guide when they can get Jame's Guides for zippo? I realize Jame's starts at Level 30 but it is nothing to get from 1-30 on your own. Just "google" Jame's levelling guide.

They're two completely different guides. One is Horde, one is Alliance.

[kcma]

With you not having seen the guide, I can see how you might come to that conclusion...

But, teaching about copyrights is beyond the scope of this forum...heh

that and james and joana's guides are really quite unlike others. i think they CAN be improved upon, but i dont see anything better out there.

[inkmva]

Joana's is very well made, but I wouldnt recomend it to people.

I mean, $40 for to rush trough a game? Seems a bit odd to me, thats all.

But yeah, its well made.

[kcma]

challenging yourself to fastest time /played is fun AND exciting, and if you are joana it only takes about 1 week of time IRL.

you dont want to deprive yourself of questing, or grouping, so why deprive yourself from a rush? it's just another aspect of the many aspect of a game.

[inkmva]

Yerh I know. I've powerleveled chars myself and I find it fun. Its the only way to roll for me now ;).

Most people into that wouldnt need me to recomend a guide for them though :p.

[Aerath]

Let me put it in perspective:

$40 equals about 3 months of playing.

Can you get a character to 60 in 3 months of playing ? If so, you just saved yourself slavishly following a guide...

[Trepidation]

Disagree with your math Aerath. What we need to look at is opportunity cost. While this does not apply to everyone, quite a few of us can make more $ by working more hours. My question is how many hours would the guide save you? Take that and mutiply it by what you could make per hour with a job. That is the real value of the guide.

If the guide even reduces my leveling time by 1 day, I just need to work 2 hours more to save 22 hours effectively (even including taxes!). Part of the reason I think people buy this guide is not to get to get their first toon to 60, but to get their other toons to 60.

For me, I would like the guide to get a toon to 60 on our sister guild's server in the quickest time possible so I can join them in the content they are on. I also think guilds who now want a pali/shaman are going to desire this guide in order to gt their raid force as quick as possible for the new 25 man content. For quite a few people, the game only begins at 60...before then was just something painful.

[Ryste]

Joana's is very well made, but I wouldnt recomend it to people.

I mean, $40 for to rush trough a game? Seems a bit odd to me, thats all.

But yeah, its well made.

How is it a "rush through" a game? Do you skip anything following the guide?

[bwirum]

If anything you actually get to see more quests following some of these guides. I've never read or seen Joanna's, but I've been following Jame's with my druid, and there's hardly any grinding there at all. Some few spots of grinding just to get from the later part of one level to breaking the next, but that's it. I didn't do this to actually get the fastest from 1-60, but to see how efficient it is. I don't spend a whole lot of time on the game and for me it's actually nice to be able to be efficient while actually playing.

[kcma]

if you're playing a gear dependant class and has no gears... i can see that... but i've found too many of these quests are still too slow/too hard. i also find grinding inevitable because the quests don't carry you through the level you need to be. there were many levels where i completed all the quests Joana did but i'm still 1/3rd short. i use my own quest patterns now, and exploits the grinding in great grinding levels (Feralas for example).

what i really love about questing is not the xp/hour. it's the fact that i dont feel like i'm banging my head on the wall to see if the wall will break first... or my head... which is what i feel like after a couple hours of grinding. i don't believe a normal human being can sit and just GRIND his/her way to 60...

[sasja]

Disagree with your math Aerath. What we need to look at is opportunity cost. While this does not apply to everyone, quite a few of us can make more $ by working more hours. My question is how many hours would the guide save you? Take that and mutiply it by what you could make per hour with a job. That is the real value of the guide.

If the guide even reduces my leveling time by 1 day, I just need to work 2 hours more to save 22 hours effectively (even including taxes!). Part of the reason I think people buy this guide is not to get to get their first toon to 60, but to get their other toons to 60.

For me, I would like the guide to get a toon to 60 on our sister guild's server in the quickest time possible so I can join them in the content they are on. I also think guilds who now want a pali/shaman are going to desire this guide in order to gt their raid force as quick as possible for the new 25 man content. For quite a few people, the game only begins at 60...before then was just something painful.

That last sentence explains the error in your argument: When I'm working, I expect to be paid, because it's not something I'd do otherwise. When I'm playing, I'm having fun - I'm not really interested in "saving time" on this activity. Feeling that the levelling part of a (let's face it) levelling game is painful makes me wonder why you'd bother. Why not play a game like counterstrike where you get to the "top level" in a matter of minutes? Hmm, I guess what you like is the itemisation - "magic find runs" to speak diablo2. Maybe there should be a roleplaying game catering to that segment of players, where you don't ever progress your character, but you get better gear. Maybe that would satisfy some of the powerlevelers. Or maybe there would just be the "life doesn't start until you get your tier 4 (or whatever it'll be called in that game), and I just need to know how to collect it as fast as possible".

But of course, to each his own - as long as you don't bot, support the goldfarmers or cheat in any other ways, enjoy the game any way you want :wave:

[Trepidation]

That last sentence explains the error in your argument: When I'm working, I expect to be paid, because it's not something I'd do otherwise. When I'm playing, I'm having fun - I'm not really interested in "saving time" on this activity. Feeling that the levelling part of a (let's face it) levelling game is painful makes me wonder why you'd bother. Why not play a game like counterstrike where you get to the "top level" in a matter of minutes? Hmm, I guess what you like is the itemisation - "magic find runs" to speak diablo2. Maybe there should be a roleplaying game catering to that segment of players, where you don't ever progress your character, but you get better gear. Maybe that would satisfy some of the powerlevelers. Or maybe there would just be the "life doesn't start until you get your tier 4 (or whatever it'll be called in that game), and I just need to know how to collect it as fast as possible".

But of course, to each his own - as long as you don't bot, support the goldfarmers or cheat in any other ways, enjoy the game any way you want :wave:

I'm quite impressed that you know me and my motivations. I take it that you are on a mature server (also known as being one of the first servers) with a guild that is predominantly 60's as well? In an environment dominated by 60's there is not much opportunity to find somebody within my own guild to do quests with. Before making backhanded comments I would please request that you make sure you understand the environment upon which the player is exposed. I personally enjoy the instance content that is designed for level 60's much more than I enjoy anything else in the game.

An analogy. There is a mountain that has a spectacular view. One person climbs/hikes to the top and another person takes the gravel road up. Is the view any less enjoyable for either person? Who built the gravel road? Will somebody eventually pave the road? Did the person who took the road ever climb to the top?

I find the view at the top spectacular or level 60 for WoW. The end game content (not the gear) is what I desire. The gear is just a means of seeing that content. If I could beat C'thun or Kel in greens...I would still put in that effort if it was possible. However, Blizzard has made it such that you need a certain level of gear to see that content and it is not possible to get that gear at level 40.

[Peter]

1-60 is easy, take a look at my sig, keep in mind i play on a very active pvp server

[kcma]

1-60 is easy, take a look at my sig, keep in mind i play on a very active pvp server

wow... you're even more full of yourself than i am :) but i'm sure the OP isn't having trouble hitting level 60... he's wondering if Joana's guide is worthwhile and helpful :p and while i dont think everyone agrees that it's worth 40 bucks... everyone CAN benefit from the content of his guide.

[Peter]

wow... you're even more full of yourself than i am :) but i'm sure the OP isn't having trouble hitting level 60... he's wondering if Joana's guide is worthwhile and helpful :p and while i dont think everyone agrees that it's worth 40 bucks... everyone CAN benefit from the content of his guide.

If there is no trouble getting to 60, why would you buy a guide.

That last sentence explains the error in your argument: When I'm working, I expect to be paid, because it's not something I'd do otherwise. When I'm playing, I'm having fun - I'm not really interested in "saving time" on this activity. Feeling that the levelling part of a (let's face it) levelling game is painful makes me wonder why you'd bother. Why not play a game like counterstrike where you get to the "top level" in a matter of minutes? Hmm, I guess what you like is the itemisation - "magic find runs" to speak diablo2. Maybe there should be a roleplaying game catering to that segment of players, where you don't ever progress your character, but you get better gear. Maybe that would satisfy some of the powerlevelers. Or maybe there would just be the "life doesn't start until you get your tier 4 (or whatever it'll be called in that game), and I just need to know how to collect it as fast as possible".

But of course, to each his own - as long as you don't bot, support the goldfarmers or cheat in any other ways, enjoy the game any way you want :wave:

Yea, exactly, I play to waste time, hell 1/2 my time is afk or chatting and doing absolutely NOTHING to further my character.

I'm quite impressed that you know me and my motivations. I take it that you are on a mature server (also known as being one of the first servers) with a guild that is predominantly 60's as well? In an environment dominated by 60's there is not much opportunity to find somebody within my own guild to do quests with. Before making backhanded comments I would please request that you make sure you understand the environment upon which the player is exposed. I personally enjoy the instance content that is designed for level 60's much more than I enjoy anything else in the game.

An analogy. There is a mountain that has a spectacular view. One person climbs/hikes to the top and another person takes the gravel road up. Is the view any less enjoyable for either person? Who built the gravel road? Will somebody eventually pave the road? Did the person who took the road ever climb to the top?

I find the view at the top spectacular or level 60 for WoW. The end game content (not the gear) is what I desire. The gear is just a means of seeing that content. If I could beat C'thun or Kel in greens...I would still put in that effort if it was possible. However, Blizzard has made it such that you need a certain level of gear to see that content and it is not possible to get that gear at level 40.

It sounds like you need to spend less time powerleveling and more time socializing.

And yes to all of the above.

[kcma]

Yea, exactly, I play to waste time, hell 1/2 my time is afk or chatting and doing absolutely NOTHING to further my character.

that's what i do to :p in fact, if being perma logged in is okay, i'd do just that :D

[memetootoo]

If there is no trouble getting to 60, why would you buy a guide.

To be able to level fast,(from what I've read people were able to get to 60 in 6-8 days played while using his guide) while doing lots of quests instead of grinding :) I'll prb wont get it now, since i'm level 51 with 7 days played, but perhaps in the future when I start an alt :)

[Oatmealsmurf]

It sounds like you need to spend less time powerleveling and more time socializing.

And yes to all of the above.

You could just as easily say that is sounds like you need to find more social opportunities in the real world instead of relying on a video game to provide them for you. When will people realize that just because you're built differently doesn't mean you're wrong? Just because he doesn't enjoy the game in the same way you enjoy the game doesn't mean he's not enjoying it. Perhaps... just perhaps he socializes outside his virtual WoW realm.

Personally I find sitting around Ogrimmar (or Ironforge for the majority of your toons) and chatting to be an absolute waste of my time. I have real and dear friends that I can speak to on the phone or just go hang out with if all I desire is witty reparte.

Never thought I'd see the day when someone would actually brag on chatting online like it's the pinacle for well adjusted social interaction. LOL

PS... I don't say that to really label you a social misfit who lives their social life on the internet... If that's what you enjoy about that game that's great for you. I only say it to illustrate how easily it is to make condescending implications based on your personal playing habits.

[mesonm]

Perhaps... just perhaps he socializes outside his virtual WoW realm.


Is that legal? Socializing outside wow...

Don't let blizz find out...They'll put you on South Park.

[bwirum]

Is that legal? Socializing outside wow...
I do think it's a breach of the ToS.

[kcma]

To be able to level fast,(from what I've read people were able to get to 60 in 6-8 days played while using his guide) while doing lots of quests instead of grinding :) I'll prb wont get it now, since i'm level 51 with 7 days played, but perhaps in the future when I start an alt :)

or maybe kcma will post a quest grinding pattern AND best mobs to grind :p

[sasja]

I'm quite impressed that you know me and my motivations.Haha, nah I don't - the whole thing after "hmm" was idle speculation because I know you're not the only one who feels that way - so being a game designer/programmer I thought about the possibilities of making a game to satisfy those sharing the view that the leveling part of the game is just boring work-like grinding to reap the benefits of end-game play.

I take it that you are on a mature server (also known as being one of the first servers) with a guild that is predominantly 60's as well? In an environment dominated by 60's there is not much opportunity to find somebody within my own guild to do quests with. Before making backhanded comments I would please request that you make sure you understand the environment upon which the player is exposed. I personally enjoy the instance content that is designed for level 60's much more than I enjoy anything else in the game. Don't think I quite understand what you're saying here :smiley:
But for the record, I'm on a very mature server, too.

An analogy. There is a mountain that has a spectacular view. One person climbs/hikes to the top and another person takes the gravel road up. Is the view any less enjoyable for either person? Who built the gravel road? Will somebody eventually pave the road? Did the person who took the road ever climb to the top?

I find the view at the top spectacular or level 60 for WoW. The end game content (not the gear) is what I desire. The gear is just a means of seeing that content. If I could beat C'thun or Kel in greens...I would still put in that effort if it was possible. However, Blizzard has made it such that you need a certain level of gear to see that content and it is not possible to get that gear at level 40.So my suggestion would be to make a game where a helicopter takes you to the top, so you don't have to bother with the part of the mountain climbing experience that you don't particularly enjoy - so little in fact that you'd like working extra hours just as much. That would mean a game with no character progression. What do you think of that?

[Baal]

As if giving one link wouldn't have been enough.

*reported*