The PvP mounts and the new honor system.

[Icekiss]

Helo guys, I'm just from WoW Official forums, and in one of the speculations I've read the fallowing:

You will have to dish out a ridiculous 800g to buy the 150 Riding Skill that the PvP mounts will now require.

Is that true, will all the PvP mounts really require the 150 riding skill now???
Does that mean there will be no chance of getting it in early lvl 40s as 150riding skill is only acquirable at lvl 60?

Where is the logic of it all? I mean if PvP mount will cost just the same as the usual Epic mount and will only be acquirable at lvl 60 what's the point then???

And most importantly, can anyone provide a link to an offocial statement by blizzard about the PvP mounts change?

[Tanitha]

Are these PvP mounts or the flying mounts from BC?

Edit:
Seems so, IceKiss. They're discussing the same thing in the Priest Forum - here (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=381438).

[Ryste]

Helo guys, I'm just from WoW Official forums, and in one of the speculations I've read the fallowing:



Is that true, will all the PvP mounts really require the 150 riding skill now???
Does that mean there will be no chance of getting it in early lvl 40s as 150riding skill is only acquirable at lvl 60?

Where is the logic of it all? I mean if PvP mount will cost just the same as the usual Epic mount and will only be acquirable at lvl 60 what's the point then???

And most importantly, can anyone provide a link to an offocial statement by blizzard about the PvP mounts change?

search the blizzard forums, it's changing to 150 skills.

It has the same point as winterspring sabres require exalted rep while you can buy your own race mount for no rep. It's a vintage and different, it's not suppose to be a "free" mount.

[Icekiss]

Hmm... I think I've stated quite a few times that I'm curious about the PvP mounts - the ones Commanders rank 11 used to get. :grin:
I don't give a flying damn about flying mounts actualy, that's a total overdo in my subjective oppiniun :P

[Icekiss]

It's a vintage and different, it's not suppose to be a "free" mount.

Well, I never hoped for it to be a free mont, I'm only curious as to why it will cost just exactly the same ammount as the usual Epic mount. I understood all the grinding for them as they were Epic horsies for the cost of the lvl40 mount, but what the point to grind for them now, as they will cost not a red sent cheaper than the usual Epics? What is the point? As a PvP reward shouldn't they have cut the price for at least 50%?

[Ryste]

Well, I never hoped for it to be a free mont, I'm only curious as to why it will cost just exactly the same ammount as the usual Epic mount. I understood all the grinding for them as they were Epic horsies for the cost of the lvl40 mount, but what the point to grind for them now, as they will cost not a red sent cheaper than the usual Epics? What is the point? As a PvP reward shouldn't they have cut the price for at least 50%?

The same reason people grind for winterspring sabres.

It's not a grind for those people because they want a different mount, PvP also gain you other benefits, for people like me it's not a grind.

[Icekiss]

well, maybe. To be honest, i wouldn't be half as upset as I'm now, if they made PvP mounts cost the same ammount as usual Epic mounts, BUT make them attainable at lvl 40. Really, i wouldn't be half as upset as i'm right now.

[Tanitha]

Sorry if this sounds noobish, but I've yet to even get my first regular mount. Can you get the usual Epic mounts at level 40?

[Icekiss]

No, you only get a 60% speed increase mount at lvl 40.
And you get the 100% speed increase mount a.k.a Epic mount only at lvl 60, there is no other way, which I consider lame.

If I have enough money for that, why the hell can't I have one? That's what I was so disappointed about when I learned that PvP mounts will also require 150 riding skill, which means you can only get them once you're 60 :(

[Tanitha]

Okay. I understand the point about getting it earlier if you can afford it. But why should a PvP Epic mount be any different to a PvE Epic mount? And why should mounts be any different than say - skills - or other level dependent features?

(Not arguing, I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind it, etc.)

[cyks]

The easiest reason I can see to "grind" for the commanders mount would be to get another factions mount without having to become exalted with them first.

As mentioned though, it shouldn't be considered a grind. Should only PvP if you enjoy it- if you don't, then do something else.

I haven't checked the prices yet, but if it's anything like how the AV mount is now, it will still be a touch cheaper for you to get then a typical epic mount... currently the AV mount is 8g (still needs the 820g riding skill) opposed to 80g.


As far as the flying mounts being overkill- considering they're needed to get to areas you can't get to otherwise, I don't see how that's the case. Maybe the epic flying ones are- but the same could be said about epic mounts now.

[Idol]

The thing is, getting the PvP mounts isn't a grind anymore. Its 30 of each BG token. Thats 10 WSG wins, 10 AB wins and 10 AV wins. A much shorter grind then the one at rank 11.

Also, my njew warrior could get 30 of each mark, and hes only level 45, so whats to stop him getting an epic speed mount now?

Thats why it now needs 150 riding skill.

[Icekiss]

Okay. I understand the point about getting it earlier if you can afford it. But why should a PvP Epic mount be any different to a PvE Epic mount? And why should mounts be any different than say - skills - or other level dependent features?

(Not arguing, I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind it, etc.)

Ok, how should i better explain it? Well, let's see, how it was with PvP and Epic mounts before the tomorrow patch. Both PvP and Epic mouts have the same speed increase, which is 100% contrary to lvl 40 mounts which are only 60%. But, if to get a PvE epic mount you needed to scrap up an insane 1000gold to buy it, the PvP epic mount you could've gotten for the same price as the usual lvl 40 mount - just 80gold. You needed to grind PvP insanely to hit the Rank 11 which was required to purchace a PVP mount, but many people went for that because the save was insane.

That is where I was comming from with my disappointment that PvP epic mounts now cost the same with PvE epic mounts. I did not expect it to be an EZ ride, how people like to call it. I was fully expectiong that I will have to spend quite some time in BGs before i gather enough honor to buy it, the only difference would be that now I'd be able to do it at my leisure, not having to worry for that honnor to decay or be overthrown by some nerd that sits in BG 24/7 as it was in the old Honor System. and i did expect for the PvP mount if not to cost 80g as it was before, but definitely not 800g that it costs now. I hoped it would be at least 50% of the PvE epic mount's price.

I hope I managed to put it in a more or less understandable manner. Being a Russian does nerf my English skill quite a bit :tongue:

The easiest reason I can see to "grind" for the commanders mount would be to get another factions mount without having to become exalted with them first.

You still need that faction's Exalted reputation to buy their type of PvP mount, or correct me if i'm wrong... If they are actually changing that with the patch i'll be damn happy, meaning i don't have to hoarde up all that runecloth for my Troless to get the undead horse :grin:

As mentioned though, it shouldn't be considered a grind. Should only PvP if you enjoy it- if you don't, then do something else.

I actually do enjoy PvP, and will do it no matter mount or no, I was just pissed that I can't get the PvP mount at lvl40. Was not able to do that with old system, even though the bastards sported the nasty drool-generating 'Requires lvl 40' tag, and can't have them at lvl40 now either :P


As far as the flying mounts being overkill- considering they're needed to get to areas you can't get to otherwise, I don't see how that's the case. Maybe the epic flying ones are- but the same could be said about epic mounts now.
Naaaaaah... the speedier the horsie is, the more me happy :laugh:
The flying mounts by the way will have the same 100% speed increase(or so blizz stated so far), so the only bonus is them flying :P
And as for getting into the hard to reach areas, isn't that what we got griffins for? I really don't feel like paying extra 2000g or whatever their cost will be just to reach some hard to reach zones. Besides I hate dragons >.< But that's just me. I know there are people who are very excited about flying mounts, so all the power to them :)

[djiss]

I thought you needed that skill anyway to be able to ride the mount so it won't change anything for me :)
And for grinding rank 11 easier than grind 1k gold... I don't know... with all waiting queue. I can grind 2-300 gold / week without playing 10hrs a day neither playing the AH.... I don't think I can get rank 1-11 in 1 month unless I play 40hrs a day. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Icekiss]

The thing is, getting the PvP mounts isn't a grind anymore. Its 30 of each BG token. Thats 10 WSG wins, 10 AB wins and 10 AV wins. A much shorter grind then the one at rank 11.

Also, my njew warrior could get 30 of each mark, and hes only level 45, so whats to stop him getting an epic speed mount now?

Thats why it now needs 150 riding skill.

But that's my point exactly! WHY oh WHY they so forsefully try to prevent us from having good mounts at lvl 45? And no, not 45, if you require AV tokens, then you can only get it after you hit 52 or something, due to AV being a high level BG. so here i go again, WHY not let us het our Epic horsie when we can? Why do i have to be lvl 60 to ride it? Seriously, they'd better put level restrictions on enchants. I WANT MY EPIC HORSY no later than i'm lvl50!!!!!!! :banghead:

[Ryste]

You can't get pve epic mount at level 40, I don't see why you should get pvp epic mount at level 40.

[Tanitha]

I hope I managed to put it in a more or less understandable manner.

All makes a fair amount of sense, thanks for taking the time explaining it. Why do you think they did this? Perhaps some form of blurring the PvE/PvP distinction?

Why do i have to be lvl 60 to ride it?Well, in this regard I fail to see how different the epic horse is from say skills you get at level 58 / 60. Or those last few talent points. Or any other level dependent feature.

[djiss]

But that's my point exactly! WHY oh WHY they so forsefully try to prevent us from having good mounts at lvl 45?
Because the game is designed like that.
@1-39, You walk.
@40, you get a mount.
@60, you get a faster mount.

[cyks]

There will be lvl 70 zones that do not have flight paths, boats, or zeppelins going to them. The ONLY way to get there will be to fly on your own mount.

If memory serves, flying mounts are going to be 'relatively cheap'... only a few hundred gold and travel at 100% increase. There are also epic flying mounts- those will cost about 5000g and travel at 200%.

The numbers may look expensive, but in actuality, they're not. Gold comes easier and easier the higher your level is.

[Icekiss]

But the damned things were sporting the "can ride at lvl 40" tag for all this time, It looks like some very long time ago they did think it acceptable for a lvl 40 to get the fastest mount. And i always wanted it at lvl 40! ><

EDIT: Oh, and I still hate dragons! ><
EDIT2: And you can only use them in Outland XP