One huge clusterfu..

[OlympusNS]

Hey,

I just wanted to say that Im kind of dissapointed that Blizzard would incorporate such a dramatic change without giving the mod/addon community a fair heads up... maybe they did, but that would be surprising considering the current situation. The entire Mod/Addon community seems to be in total chaos, all the sites are down and nobody's mods are functional...

Is there anyone out there who runs a guild for example, and dozens and dozens of items get sent to the guild bank everyday, not to mention withdrawls... Im completely reliant on my addons like "guild tools" to manage all of this, so you can imagine how this could cripple my Guild, and probably a few others as well if we have to wait 2 weeks.

Not to mention that the changes themselves for the most part are not that great... Does anyone else feel cheated after losing all their honor? I PvP'd quite a bit and had about 9000 kills stacked up... guess that was a waste!

Im about ready to quit WoW for something better... any suggestions?

Olympus

[Eonblue]

Well not to be an arse but i'm not an avid scripter or mod designer and i knew about the changes for a little bit now. They have been anouncing the total overhall to the language, i think java something to java something .1 or soemthing like that :P alone will require all mods and macros to be at the very least updated in the new language. I acutally removed all mods while downloading the patch as i figured i was going to have to anyway. Many mod designers already had 2.0 versions out yesterday as they were aware of the changes (few example are CTMods and necrosis), these are of course beta as of yesterday since they did not have a chance to really test out the updates until release.
Our guild has Ony on tuesday nights and we all pretty happily agreed to postpone ony till everyone got used to using default UI again and possibly get some of the mods that work in 2.0.
If you run a guild, then I would suggest it was your responsibility to know about this and prepare your guild if it is in fact the dilema it appears to be for you.
I would advise to not be completly reliant on mods.
As far as PVP goes, you may feel cheated I suppose if you are very gear driven and recognition driven (and honestly i am driven by those things, but i dont feel cheated...we knew it was coming), but surely you had fun killing those 9000 playes.
Just think, on the new system, it wont be a problem to get your full epic pvp set. If you killed around 9000 chances are you were around rank 8, maybe 9 or 10 depending. It would seem that at rank 10 on the old system pvp increase ranking really snails unless you do little else in your life but pvp, not this is not the case at all, you will be able to get your rank 14 items at your leisure.

It sounds to me like you are not really ready to quite, just frustrated at the inconvience the updates (which really are fantastic and for the better) have caused....just a guess :)

[Narak]

There was plenty of warning about the upcoming changes and the fact that all addons would need updating. I've known about these changes for weeks, addon authors would have known just as long. Blizzard even listed exactly what code would change and how it affected things weeks ago. If they haven't updated it's because they either; haven't had the time, weren't interested/couldn't be bothered with updating them, don't play WoW any more or are still trying to update them at the moment.

The reason you can't get on any sites is that 7 million'ish users around the world are desperately trying to download updated addons, ofc it's going to be slow.

With regards to the PvP, you're complaining? The epic PvP items are now available to anyone not just those that can grind for 18 hours a day. You got 9,000 kills stacked up? What does it matter? You can still have your highest rank as a title, you can still go out and rack up 9,000 more kills.

If you're complaining about something you didn't know about, how the hell is it Blizzards fault? This information has been made available for weeks

[Sherkhan]

Another thing to keep in mind is that origionally all of these changes were slated for TBC expansion. Only after they moved the expansion release out, and put the 2.0.1 patch on the PTR did the mod authors know that is was going to come out sooner.
I know a fair number of them were shooting to be ready for the TBC release, and they have been rushed by the new timeline.

[wdomina]

ya, honestly you have to remember that the modder's were asking on forum's about if there was going to be a patch before the crusade release, after it was pushed back. Blizzard didn't give them a heads up and even denied the possibility of a patch till a little under a month ago. I couldn't imagine rewriting your entire mod could be that easy for a language that modder's were just getting to know a month ago. Not to mention for a lot of the modder's, they work on multiple mods and a lot of them are complex. It's not a simple string of one line macro's. Not to mention they've got to get together on certain mods to find out how to fix conflicts. I don't make mods but i've gone in and edited some to change labels from time to time and it can be pretty complicated in most cases just to find what you're looking for cause there is so much info/text and language in the files. Anyway most of the ones that were posted early were posted because they work w/ the expansion version so they "hoped?" that it would work w/ this 2.0 patch. Personally, i'm frustrated w/ primarily cursed, that decided 2 days before a huge/super-addon rewrite patch, that they would change the layout of their addon's section where most modder's reply to problems ppl are having w/ their patch. so ppl can get help quickly and get out so the next person can get in and get what he needs. So now probably the system will be thoroughly clogged for a while. Oh well at least this site is up and some mods have been updated. just seems weird that the list doesn't seem to have updated since 12:45

[Tanitha]

I'd seen the announcements, but not being a mod-writer had not really payed much attention to them. I will say though that having to play without mods is really, really painful and the fact that so many of them are not updated indicates that somewhere there was a communications breakdown.

I wonder how difficult it would have been to have had a "Pre TBC compatibility mode" type flag for any given mod though.

[OlympusNS]

Eonblue says "I would advise to not be completly reliant on mods"

Could you then please advise me how else someone would go about keeping a record of 200-300 deposits a week made through the in game mail sytem to the guild bank, sum up each individuals credit, maintain a record of all these transactions... ?

Narak says "With regards to the PvP, you're complaining? The epic PvP items are now available to anyone not just those that can grind for 18 hours a day. You got 9,000 kills stacked up? What does it matter? You can still have your highest rank as a title, you can still go out and rack up 9,000 more kills.

If you're complaining about something you didn't know about, how the hell is it Blizzards fault? This information has been made available for weeks!

I never said I didn't know the changes to PvP were coming, maybe you should drink less coffee or something, you seem pretty hyped up. What I said is I felt cheated for losing what I had previously earned, they could have changed the system and left the honor intact? Or maybe because they announced they were changing the system, it gave them the right to take away what I earned.... or did I somehow not EARN that?

wdomina says "ya, honestly you have to remember that the modder's were asking on forum's about if there was going to be a patch before the crusade release, after it was pushed back. Blizzard didn't give them a heads up and even denied the possibility of a patch till a little under a month ago."

This combined with what Sherkhan said, if true, would mean that Blizzard was obviously not cooperating with the addon/mod community, and basically that was the point of my post...

I feel like they're trying to kill WoW while making TBC look interesting... which really sucks for those of us who planned to play until TBC came out...

I'll pay 1$ each for an updated Guild Tools, LootLink and auctioneer! LOL

='( ./cry

[mesonm]

Im about ready to quit WoW for something better... any suggestions?



Did you write all of your own mods? Or is it that you are disappointed that the mod authors aren't serving your FREE needs fast enough...

My suggestions, as alternatives:

1. be patient.
2. Quit...The rest of the 6.9Million players won't miss you...for long.

[B]
I'll pay 1$ each for an updated Guild Tools, LootLink and auctioneer!

='( ./cry

Cool...$1 each PERSON in your guild, each month...

If you pay that, I'm sure someone will be in touch.

[Valas Azuviir]

Eonblue says "I would advise to not be completly reliant on mods"

Could you then please advise me how else someone would go about keeping a record of 200-300 deposits a week made through the in game mail sytem to the guild bank, sum up each individuals credit, maintain a record of all these transactions... ?


Keep a backup list in say .xls?
Lot of regular companies do this as well, just in case something happens to the main DB, then they will have a backup copy of X amount of time ago on another format.



I feel like they're trying to kill WoW while making TBC look interesting... which really sucks for those of us who planned to play until TBC came out...


:ponder:

Now this might not sound very nice, but your feelings, in this instance, are complete and utter balderdash.

If, TBC were to be the successor, then yes. Blizzard trying to kill WoW makes sense. It's no different from Microsoft, ceasing with their support (read patching) of their older OS versions, just to promote the newer versions.

However, TBC is not a successor, it's an expansion. It makes the original product even bigger than it was before. The two programs are intrinsicly linked. To quote that old song: they go together like a horse and carriage. This I can tell you brother, you can't have one without the other.

Expansions mean subscriptions spikes. But even then, you cannot let the pre-existing drain become even bigger than the expected spike, else it'll become meaningless. And you'll end up losing money, and that's not smart business. So, if TBC cost them 2 million players in total and they only gain 1 million new ones, then they're operating at a 1 million client loss. They're still making a profit, considering the overall number of clients, but profit margins will have decreased and again, that's bad business.

All in all, just like everyone else, you're going to have to be patient for the ModMakers to be able to work their magic. Complaining isn't going to make them work any faster, and may actually lead to burnouts and them ceasing all together with their crafting, not exactly an unheard of occurence either.

Constructive criticism is one thing, ranting is another, because the latter tends to lead to flamewars, which is not something we're particularly fond of here.

Just my 2 copper pieces on this entire issue.

[rkobo]

Eonblue says "I would advise to not be completly reliant on mods"

Could you then please advise me how else someone would go about keeping a record of 200-300 deposits a week made through the in game mail sytem to the guild bank, sum up each individuals credit, maintain a record of all these transactions... ?

If you were really that motivated then it'd be easy to keep track using some Excel or pen and paper.

Narak says "With regards to the PvP, you're complaining? The epic PvP items are now available to anyone not just those that can grind for 18 hours a day. You got 9,000 kills stacked up? What does it matter? You can still have your highest rank as a title, you can still go out and rack up 9,000 more kills.

If you're complaining about something you didn't know about, how the hell is it Blizzards fault? This information has been made available for weeks!

I never said I didn't know the changes to PvP were coming, maybe you should drink less coffee or something, you seem pretty hyped up. What I said is I felt cheated for losing what I had previously earned, they could have changed the system and left the honor intact? Or maybe because they announced they were changing the system, it gave them the right to take away what I earned.... or did I somehow not EARN that?

You didn't earn anything, you don't own anything in WoW, they can do as they please, deal with it. Go outside or something, stop crying.


wdomina says "ya, honestly you have to remember that the modder's were asking on forum's about if there was going to be a patch before the crusade release, after it was pushed back. Blizzard didn't give them a heads up and even denied the possibility of a patch till a little under a month ago."

This combined with what Sherkhan said, if true, would mean that Blizzard was obviously not cooperating with the addon/mod community, and basically that was the point of my post...

I feel like they're trying to kill WoW while making TBC look interesting... which really sucks for those of us who planned to play until TBC came out...

How is a short, temporary break in having an UI killing WoW? Stop being overly dramatic.

I'll pay 1$ each for an updated Guild Tools, LootLink and auctioneer! LOL

='( ./cry
Stop whining. If you want to quit so bad, do it.

[Trepidation]

Blizzard + Addons = very relaxed. The first set of changes to the hooks was to stop downright trivial botting from mods (like auto inner fire, counter spell, execute, etc). This last set was to remove "I WIN" button. Mods like HEART were 100% not in line with Blizzards game model and design. Mods were bascially raising a players skill beyond what should be capable and thus making it very difficult on people without mods and also content designers.

If it wasn't the fact that human desire to make things as easy as possible, Blizzard wouldn't have to do this. But never underestimate the ability of smart people to figure out ways to do things smarter and thus easier. I mean, if I really wanted to....I could still use a slide rule.

[Dark Matter]

You can keep up to date with all the forthcoming changes to the WoW UI, API etc. by regularly reading the US UI and Macro Board.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1

You will note the stickies - one of them will always be a list of the forthcoming changes. There is already a list up for the changes planned in 2.1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=41DB4C1BF135D54DBB124D1067553F10?topicId=63167579&sid=1

You will also find posts on the most recent addon updates, and discussion on how the changes will affect addons and which addons are broken.

DM