One-shotting in TBC - Possible?

[Suicider]

I've been on the Official (whining) forums and read in various blue posts that one-shotting won't be possible in TBC due to the increased amount of life, but after doing some math I'm quite sure that mages will still be able to one-shot people, not as easy, but with some luck and planning.

Our 'test' will be done using a mage with 40/21 (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/mage/talents.html) specc, which I see as max burst potential of mage builds. (I only picked talents that would help with pyro, all the other 1 and 2 spread are just fillers). As mages in current WoW can get ~1000 spell damage with trinkets I've estimated about 1400 spell damge with trinkets in TBC.. I've also guessed about 500int, which is a marginal increase to what I think mages have in live. The spell used is rank 10 Pyroblast which does 939 to 1191, giving 1065 as average. So, let's start the math:

First, the calculation order:
(((BASE+(spldmg*(cast/3.5*1))+int*MindMasterBonus)*PlayingWithFire*CoE*ArcaneInstability*ArcanePower*ImpScorch)*Crit
If we plugin all the numbers we get:
(((1065+(1400*(6/3,5*1))+500*0,25)*1,01*1,1*1,3*1,15)*1,1*1,15)*1,75 =14376,38139~14376


So, a mage will do about 14376 doing a Pyro on a target with CoE and Fire Vulnerability, and that is quite a hefty amount. If there's any part of the math that I've missed or done wrong, please point it out and I'll fix it, this is the order which I think spelldamage is calculated..

-Suicider

[Stigg]

I think that looks pretty solid. Nice work! It doesn't even seem that unreasonable to do either.....pop a few trinkets, a few scorches, and game over.

[Stigg]

Currently, I believe the BEST spell damage you can have is 1164. I'd estimate about 1800 in TBC. You can also account for other players adding a bit to you. (i.e. Power Infusion plus 20%)

Soooo....

(((1065+(1800*(6/3,5*1))+500*0,25)*1,01*1,1*1,3*1,15)*1,1*1,15*1.2)*1,7 5 =18865 dmg

Which is more than enough to drop any boss in the game in one hit up to (and possibly including) Maraudon.

[Oatmealsmurf]

If you have to have scorches stacked on the target then it's not a one shot now is it?

[Stigg]

If you have to have scorches stacked on the target then it's not a one shot now is it?

Your such a party pooper.

[Suicider]

Even without that it'll probably one-drop most bosses.. so shush :P

[rgirty]

1164 is the limit on + dps? I had no idea my wife's fire mage was doing so well. She's at +420. The only piece of gear she has from any raid instance is the arcanist bindings. I know they are 2nd to dryad's. Also, she does not have any + damage trinkets.

Just off the top of my head I know there are a lot of items that are considerable more + damage than she has. For example if she were to add briarwood reed +29, and the ToA which is 40x5 max use for 200 that would be +229.

229+420= 649 and she's never set foot in aq/zg/mc/bwl or naxx... She's using almost all blues with no damage enchants, just a +30 dmg enchant would ring her up to 679.

I have to think you can go above 1164, or am I missing something here?

[Stigg]

Well.....maybe not. 1164 is the top out of what I was able to find using a no-no site. I only searched for epics...so there is a good possibility that there are non-epics that have higher +dmg.

BUT +420?!? that is insane for not stepping foor into a raid. If she has a erm....profile.... can you PM it to me? I would love to see how thats possible.

[Mallstrop]

There's also the instances that aren't finnished yet from what I know.

Looking at how naxx gear is more than double none raid gear, I wouldn't be supprised if sooner or later people hit 2k + damage.

[rootkit]

BUT +420?!? that is insane for not stepping foor into a raid. If she has a erm....profile.... can you PM it to me? I would love to see how thats possible.

Well, i'm a frost mage and have like +350dmg and only have like 3 epics... None of them from raids... (Robe Of Archmage, Sorcerer Gloves and the AV Off-hand) so i believe it's quite possible to have +420 for fire... I do have Briarwood Reed...

Could have better gear just from the BG's with all the GM/HWL equip now on sale...

[Chemm]

Well, i'm a frost mage and have like +350dmg and only have like 3 epics... None of them from raids... (Robe Of Archmage, Sorcerer Gloves and the AV Off-hand) so i believe it's quite possible to have +420 for fire... I do have Briarwood Reed...

Could have better gear just from the BG's with all the GM/HWL equip now on sale...


easy ass spell dmg, my shaman has been to MC a bunch, and cleared ZG too many times, and been into AQ to do acouple bosses, and I only have +205 spell dmg, (elemental spec'd) 305+ healing, and im wearing all epics besides my trinkets...

[Cerberus]

Think you covered all the buffs. Power infusion does not stack with AP, but might be some other buffs like imp Spirit you could throw in there.

I came to 777 damage including both fire and dmg/healing when adding up all the highest damage gear including enchants in live. Even a +23 fire wand that I don't think can drop anymore. Then there's Greater arcane elixir, flask, fire power and wizard oil. That's 1038, then there's Mind mastery bonus (with the +int talent), but to sleepy to figure that out. Should be pretty much the same as Stiggs number.

[Sunburner]

do u mean the max hit (not crit) in the game is 1164? maybe..
but i know a mage who routinely does 3k damage.. he crit 4.3 recently
.. but that's with 2 trinkets and a BG buff.. but still.. what would that be in BC? like 6k ??? insane.. thank god only mages can do that kind of damage

[CRUSADA]

locks crit for 4k aswell at 60

[Fursphere]

Don't forget about the new gear system, that diminisses as you gain level.

+42 to spell dmg @ 60 =! +42 to spell dmg @ 70 in regards to pure damage output. You need more at higher levels.

The number will be the same, but the amount applied will be less. So unless you continue to get uber gear, don't think the damage keeps going up and up.

And new gear has anti damage stats, like reisiliance and such, so getting those big crits will be much harder.

[Stigg]

do u mean the max hit (not crit) in the game is 1164? maybe..
but i know a mage who routinely does 3k damage.. he crit 4.3 recently
.. but that's with 2 trinkets and a BG buff.. but still.. what would that be in BC? like 6k ??? insane.. thank god only mages can do that kind of damage

The highest (that I was able to generate in about 15 minutes....scanning only epic gear) of +dmg was 1164.

But as rgirty has pointed out...that is probably VERY not true....as some blues yield much higher +dmg than epics.

[kcma]

were u... scanning the forbidden site?? ;)

[Stigg]

were u... scanning the forbidden site?? ;)

I was scanning...a....well...not THAT site...but yes, a site that apparently we aren't allowed to link to :P

[CorinthianSC]

Don't forget about the new gear system, that diminisses as you gain level.

+42 to spell dmg @ 60 =! +42 to spell dmg @ 70 in regards to pure damage output. You need more at higher levels.

The number will be the same, but the amount applied will be less. So unless you continue to get uber gear, don't think the damage keeps going up and up.

And new gear has anti damage stats, like reisiliance and such, so getting those big crits will be much harder.

I don't think that is correct. +dmg is +dmg. The ratings are what diminishes.

[Drpep]

As an arcane mage, i see a more nocticable raise on bonus damage from intel bonus then a set gear bonus. At 63 i have right at 500 in damage bonus before trinket. Then i use fire ruby thats plus 100 and the quest trinket from a hellfire quest for, i think, another 120. (warning the fire ruby actiuvates a fast cooldown on the other trinket, since the bc trinket only last 15 sec use the fire ruby first (1 min). That gives me a 720 hit before arcane power is used.

I have not used the 30 plus on my weap or the oil and potion yet, but my pyro (when it crits) hits for around 4100. And has one shoted a couple of red orc near thrall. I did get a 3800 hit on one of the swamp tall things and 580 resisted. so it would have been 4380 if it all landed.

[StealthAssasin]

O_O wow u guys have no time on your hands to calculate this lol >_> can someone calculate my damage on my hunter :P lvl 61 lol and maybe a 29 twink warrior dranei max damage lol

[MixiMan]

Why dont you worry about your hunter and we will keep thinking and drooling over how much dmg we can put out :)

oh and...eeehhhhm....LOL

Sorry forgot that one

[Stigg]

O_O wow u guys have no time on your hands to calculate this lol >_> can someone calculate my damage on my hunter :P lvl 61 lol and maybe a 29 twink warrior dranei max damage lol

As a hunter, your statistics are less than interesting. The only thing you need to look at is your RAP. Casters are where its at! Woot!

and....LOL

[Stigg]

Sorry to necro this post...but I was really looking forward to hearing any ideas on this post-TBC. How much +dmg are yall getting up to and how hard are you hitting for? Anybody 1-shot a player yet?

[TeamRamrod]

I have around +850 dmg as a mage atm, prob around +920 in a week or so :)
i have hit priests/hunter/mages for around 8-9K dmg with a ap/pom/trinket/pyro, that is including the pyro dot and ignite dot. needless to say yes i have been 1-shotting people here and there. But as people get better gear and +sta later on i see this being less of an occurence. But a 2-2.5k fireblast can always finish up my work haha.

[shifttusk]

I have around +850 dmg as a mage atm, prob around +920 in a week or so :)
i have hit priests/hunter/mages for around 8-9K dmg with a ap/pom/trinket/pyro, that is including the pyro dot and ignite dot. needless to say yes i have been 1-shotting people here and there. But as people get better gear and +sta later on i see this being less of an occurence. But a 2-2.5k fireblast can always finish up my work haha.

This happened to me

StinkingMage's Icelance hits you for 740
StinkingMage's Pyroblast Crits you for 7300
You suffer 2something dmg from ignite
You Die
StinkingMage Laughs at you

[Lothoran]

You know... I hate the "3 minute mage" spec, which is the only spec capable of one-shotting things. To me it feels like this spec requires the least amount of skill to play, and when your cooldowns are gone you are useless. Also your prime abilities are a simple consume magic/purge/dispell/spellsteal away. Ugh, I'm just venting.

[skinblanketed]

What's this "no-no" site you guys are referring to? Are we not allowed to link the Armory?

[DraedynLei]

What's this "no-no" site you guys are referring to? Are we not allowed to link the Armory?

haha no, the armory is actually run by blizz. the no no sites are two particular reference sites used by many wow players that are owned by gold sellers. they begin with T and A. and no, not that good T and A you're thinking about. :P

[Stigg]

Actually the one we were looking at was a "C" site.

[earindur]

as a warlock i two shotted a level 70 mage outside shadow labs. i have 912+dmg.

seduce
curse of elements
trinket
5345 from soul fire
instant shadow burn for 1400
dead mage.

but i dont think a one shot would be very possible.

[relphie]

take a look at this guy ....
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Grimhorn

16430 HP!

Now, he is already an engineer, so all he needs is a

Gnomish Death Ray
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Use: The device charges over time using your life force and then directs a burst of energy at your opponent.
"Death or Serious Injury may result from use of this device."
Cooldown: 5 min

Tests have been done, that 3 ticks of 150hp against you = 900 damage .... just think about channeling almost all of that 16430 .... you can do tens of thousands of damage ....

[Shadowss]

Gnomish Death Ray has a 5 min cool down though.

[Drpep]

Not sure if you factored it in, but I myself, love spellstealing fel armor from warlocks. Does that stack with the ap pom pyro combo? 30% plus damage from Fel and 30% plus from ap might raise that number. ...if it stacks.

[Suicider]

Fel armor increases healing taken by the lock by 30%, not damage done by 30%..

[Drpep]

whoops =/
my bad

[rootkit]

Fel Armor increases Spell Dmg by 100... So it stacks... I'm with 880 Spelldmg self-buffed and i'm Arcane Specced, it i get Fel Armor i got 980, not that much i know but i don't even have full Spellfire yet...

Probably some SSC raiding 3min mages (around 1200 spelldmg) can one shot a "regular class"