Simple BG advice

[JudgeDredd]

Just wanted to vent some frustration after losing so many ABs from the alliance side and decided to offer up some "tips" and figured others could chime in as well....

Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of cheetah on
Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person

Druids:
You can be feral specced and still heal when it's needed -- don't let that mana bar go to waste

I'm not trying to pick on these two classes because there are plenty of good hunters/druids out there, these just happened to be the most common things I noticed from my experiences in the 30-39 BGs.

[Jerkey]

I'll add some of my own.

Paladins etc. :
Please cleanse 'lock dots after a battle is finished so that people don't die needlessly.

Warriors and Rogues:
Defend any priests, paladins or druids that are healing your, or someone elses sorry ass (this actually goes for everyone).

Hunters:
Please trap the flag (both in AB and WSG) and put down flares when needed.

Mages: Use your CC whenever possible, and don't use aoes when only two enemies are being fought (unless you have no other recourse but to spam AE).

That's about it, I don't really want to tell healers to heal, because I know they do enough of that in raids and instances- but if they did everyone would love them that little bit more.

[Magikhat]

some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.

[JFoobar]

Please don't attack something stuck in a freezing trap unless the hunter that laid the trap has moved well away from the trap.

God, that irritates me. I get attacked by a rogue or warrior, scatter shot and trap, and before I can move away to distance (probably have crippling poison or hamstring on me) someone attacks the trapped player. Of course, the trapped player dies, but takes me out first since I was already knocked down to 50% health before I got them trapped.

[BossmanFW]

Example - Dont join 50-59 BG's at lvl 50-52

[Serrat]

disagree on that point, if you dont want to fight with lower levels, dont pug.

if they want to pvp let them its there choice.

oh and i like that thinly veiled line on healers healing up top.

personally i love shadow priests, holy priests are great for the healing, but shadow priests and there free mana and health abilities are teh win

[Stigg]

Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of Pack on



Fixed.
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[JudgeDredd]

some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.

I could not agree more. After priests, low level BG players are the next thing I target since they die in like 3 seconds. It would be nice if the BGs were further broken up like, for example, 30-34 and then 35-39. But I realize if blizzard did it that way that it'd be near impossible to ever get a BG started.

[Bingo Bang]

Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person

This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.

2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.

[JudgeDredd]

This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.

2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.

I don't see much use in killing a hunter's pet since you can kill the hunter directly and get rid of both him and his pet.

[rgirty]

I don't see much use in killing a hunter's pet since you can kill the hunter directly and get rid of both him and his pet.

The hunter himself is often out of range.

[amgyn]

dont join bg's from x0 -> x3 ... you will be a handicap to your team... plus the other team wont even get honor from killing you.

[jrichard]

Given the changes to the beast mastery tree, it can be a good idea to kill a hunter's pet. BM hunters lose much of their power without them and they have a fair amount of downtime involved in res'ing them.


Lol at the freezing trap comment, learn to live with that just as mages learn to live with people breaking their sheep immediately, rogues learn to live with sap being broken, etc...

Feral druids don't run around with enough of a mana pool to throw around very many heals. Also, to be most effective they need to be able to shift at will, so that comment translates into: Heal us so that you no longer have the ability to play the style of druid you are specced for.

Mages standing still in bgs should just as well have a neon sign above their heads which says, "kill me please". If their other instant casts are on cooldown, AE isn't a bad choice. Seriously, if you are being attacked by multiple people, who are you gonna attack? Personally, i'll go after the cloth wearing caster standing still for me. Then there's the effect AE seems to have on opposing players. I've seen lots of pre-mades forget all about their planned strategies to go after a single mage spamming AE and allowing his team to kill easier.

I go into bgs knowing that most priests are specced shadow, most druids are not resto, and shamans are enhancement or elemental. I don't expect them to heal instead of playing the way they specced. Even if it is just an "occasional" heal, it's their mana and they need it for their playstyle. And no, they shouldn't spec differently that they have just for everyone else. Play a healer in bgs sometime. Unless you are running with a pre-made, speccing in other ways will just lead to you constantly corpse walking as you've gimped your offensive abilities and most people won't stick around to help you out.

Threads like this are always amusing as they mostly seem to amount to, "Anyone who doesn't play the way i think they should is wrong" threads. There are a lot of different perspectives and approaches to every bg situation. None of them are wrong and all of them work, not just the one you hold. In a PUG, you'll get to see them mixed pretty heavily. If you don't want that, then find a pre-made.

[Nitsujcm]

I play my rogue when I am in the lower part of the braket b/c I am still very useful. I can sap - I can apply crippling posion, i can distract and slow- I can stealth in and find the flag....

[Mallstrop]

Then again, if you're seen by any one that's not in the lower half of the BG bracket, they're going to rip your head off. Unless you're really lucky, you're not going to be able to defend your self against them. I don't think there's an easier class for me to beat than a low leveled rogue.

Ok, my advice:

Hunter:
1. FLARES! If you're guarding a flag or some one from your team is capturing a flag, throw down a flare at their feet. If I see some one capping a flag, I will stealth up to them and try an ambush (Druidy version)
2. Stick your pet on a caster, especially a healer, the constant attacks will make their life hard.

Rogues (And Cat Druids):
1. Don't just go in for the kill straight away, give the enemy a chance to settle down before sneaking up behind them, most people soon give up running around looking for rogues and stand still for a while.
2. Working with another rogue, know your opponent. If you're after a mage or a shadow priest, they're going to frost nova/fear asap, let the first rogue get caught by that, then the second one can move in. Too many times I see a few rogues getting caught by 1 frost nova and the mage killing them both.

Warlock:
1. Don't waste Death coil, save it for when you need it, don't start a fight by using it.
2. Most people know about this, leave your Succubus in stealth until you need her, her damage is nice but the seduce is a life saver, especially against a stun locking rogue.

Druids:
1. (Feral) Your strength comes from being able to switch forms, learn when you need each form, get the shape shifting macros from the official forum to speed it up.
2. You can heal. Just don't listen to the greedy warriors (Allways warriors for some reason) that want you as their pocket healer.

In general:
1. Turn on the name plates for the enemies and pick of the badly hurt ones.
2. Crowd control the warriors and take down the casters, warriors can do damage, but take a lot more killing than the clothies.
3. Try and work with some one else, preferably some one you work well with. I always knew which target my brother was going for when we played together.

I might add more later, they're just the ones I remember.

[Amurko]

some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.

In general, I agree with the notion.. joining a lvl X0-X9 BG when you're lvl X0 will mean you'll die a lot and contribue very little.

However, I actually managed to top the charts (was #2 or 3) in an AV game (pre-cross-realm) on my lvl 53 hunter.. granted, he was still wearing most of his gear from his days as a lvl 49 twink. So yeah, you might do OK at lvl X0 if you were a former twink in the previous bracket.

[snowieken]

To all the people who think players lower than level x4 need to stay away from PvP: I understand where you are coming from, but still I couldn't disagree more. Why? Because it's a game.

Yes, players who die in 4 seconds can gimp the team by taking the place of someone who could have been a lot higher level. Yes, they are not much worth to the enemy (although that's the strangest argument I ever heard concerning this discussion). Yes, they would probably be far better off leveling. But it's a game. It's not some kind of international championship. The brackets are x0-x9, and not x5-x9. PvP is possible for everyone, whether it is your main choice of playing, or whether it is just for a break from leveling and questing. If these lower levels want to PvP, I don't see a reason why anyone should tell them not to. I hate the constant "go level noob" when a lower level joins.

Besides, I've had many BG games where people laughed at a level 30 grabbing the flag, but in the end he capped it three times just because he was supported by his team mates.

[Mallstrop]

The main problem with the people in the lower half of the group is that it's never just the 1 of them. I'll generally wait until I hit x6 before I join a BG simply because I like to stand a chance when I get into a fight but in most of the BGs I join, 5 or more of the players would be in the lower 4 levels of the range. I've joined a few WSG games where me and my friend were the only people above 53. The only use of those people is as a smoke screen, just hope the horde will beat on them for a few seconds while I can do some proper damage.


As for comming near the top of the BG, it's counted on Killing blows which is more an indication of luck than anything else, I liked to save up rage on my warrior just so I could get the execute off and claim the killing blow. Even the new damage done stats aren't a perfect evaluation of how well you did in a BG. Healing done is the better indication, atleast that shows that you're working as a team.

[Kodiax]

More of the same - please don't join the BG's til your of a higher level. A twinked out lvl 51 can't compete with a 59 unless they're /afk. Winning requires the completion of objectives, but completing most objectives require killing the enemy, and if you can't do that, then you're really not much use. When you are higher level and looking to win every BG you enter you'll appreciate it when other low level players stay out.

[CRUSADA]

I don't think there's an easier class for me to beat than a low leveled rogue.


Sure. A low leveled mage!

[Oakdale]

My 2 cents:

1. Have fun or get out. Berating everyone in general chat does no good and my ignore list is almost full.

2. Pet classes. Send your pet after the cloth wearing. We HAVE to deal with it. We don't have a enough HP to ignore it and many times we don't know where you are. Especially in AV.

3. DOTs kill cloth wearers. Grrr.

4. Keep moving all the time. It's hard to target you and it's hard to keep you on target.

5. Offense wins. In all 3 BG, it's the offense that wins. A win is more Honor then farming HK. Don't totally ignore defense though. You must defend the nodes in AB, guard the towers(AV) until they cap, and guard the GY flags(AV). One defender is not enough...ten is too many.

6. Don't get angry. I like to help others when I can, but I am not a vending machine for buffs, food and water. Plus I am a target for rogues....I HATE being OOM.

[dreamofwrx]

i think they need to make a bracket 0-5 6-10 for bgs. Im sorry its just not fair when i have some level 50 come in there and get slaughtered dragging the rest of us down. Your right, its is a game, and i want to win the game. To say to not roll a pug is pretty snobby, there are plenty of players that are not in guilds large enough or interested enough to do a pug pvp. I also think that if that is your argument that pugs should not have to play against premades. I cant tell you how frustrating it is to get in a bg on a pve server and see the pvp server in our bracket have a full team. One, people give up right away, and two they are so well coordinated they five cap us within three minutes. (or camp our gy and we cant even res)

I do not join a bg to lose, and to laugh and say its just a game. How hard is it to go level up so the game is competitive? Thats like playing a football game against nfl players and you brought along 9 twelve year olds. GO LEVEL UP...

[milqueman]

1. As far as the leveling up goes. I agree with both arguments. but I have to lean more towards the "let anybody play at any level" argument more. for these reasons:
a. like it has been said before above "it's just a game" Blizz gave all of us the oppurtunity to play BG's at X0 - X3 level, sorry if you didn't but if someone else does, there not breaking the rules. let them play.
b. It seems like there are a lot of people deeply concerned about this topic, so I bet there is an equal mix of Horde and Alliance talking about it (based on the shear number of people on this topic) So, that would lead me to believe that since there are a lot of Alliance people talking about X0 - X3 in there BG's and a lot of horde talking X0 - X3 in there BG's then wouldn't it seem reasonable to assume that if you enter a BG there would be about an equal number of X0- X3 players on both sides? making the BG's equal, and in assumeing that, wouldn't it make this whole argument a mute point?
c. And finally, if you don't agree with anything I said and still want to play with all X9 players, then join a premade. that's also not breaking the rules.


2. on the topic of telling others how to play there class, I couldn't hate that more. Sure some people are better at playing there class then others, and a helpful suggestion can be made, but don't tell someone how to play there class. IMHO if you think you can play a Priest/Druid/Shamen/Paladin/Warrior/Mage/Warlock/Hunter/Rogue better, then roll one and play it your way. In the end, there are many differnent ways to play all calsses, thats why there are 3 talent trees. And if you tell someone how to play their class, it comes off as "I want you to play your character the way I want you to play your character".

[Icefrost]

I don't see much use in killing a hunter's pet since you can kill the hunter directly and get rid of both him and his pet.

I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet

Just to say something.

[dreamofwrx]

1. As far as the leveling up goes. I agree with both arguments. but I have to lean more towards the "let anybody play at any level" argument more. for these reasons:
a. like it has been said before above "it's just a game" Blizz gave all of us the oppurtunity to play BG's at X0 - X3 level, sorry if you didn't but if someone else does, there not breaking the rules. let them play.
b. It seems like there are a lot of people deeply concerned about this topic, so I bet there is an equal mix of Horde and Alliance talking about it (based on the shear number of people on this topic) So, that would lead me to believe that since there are a lot of Alliance people talking about X0 - X3 in there BG's and a lot of horde talking X0 - X3 in there BG's then wouldn't it seem reasonable to assume that if you enter a BG there would be about an equal number of X0- X3 players on both sides? making the BG's equal, and in assumeing that, wouldn't it make this whole argument a mute point?
c. And finally, if you don't agree with anything I said and still want to play with all X9 players, then join a premade. that's also not breaking the rules.


2. on the topic of telling others how to play there class, I couldn't hate that more. Sure some people are better at playing there class then others, and a helpful suggestion can be made, but don't tell someone how to play there class. IMHO if you think you can play a Priest/Druid/Shamen/Paladin/Warrior/Mage/Warlock/Hunter/Rogue better, then roll one and play it your way. In the end, there are many differnent ways to play all calsses, thats why there are 3 talent trees. And if you tell someone how to play their class, it comes off as "I want you to play your character the way I want you to play your character".



no, there are plenty more of young kids that dont know how to play on the alliance side. Its cause of lord of the rings phenomenon, every one wants to be an elf, human, or dwarf...i imagine gnomes take place of the hobbits.

and like i said before not everyone has the luxury of getting a premade going.

i make helpful suggestions to people but they usually take it as *****ing and get hostile towards me, they are too stubborn to listen. Noone wants to listen at all in pugs ex: i always ask in the beginning of bgs what is everyones plan...i usually get to lose quick, or "kick ass" .....i know right there we are screwed.

there are exceptions in pugs, but usually if we are winning people dont need any advice, they know what to do.

[Herron]

I don't think the idea of BGs was to be only for twinked lvl x9's! Going on that theory people should only be playing BGs for a couple of lvls every 10 on their way to 60(70). Where is the fun in that? If anything, the x9's should be out leveling so they can get into the next bracket and on their way to max level. Oh wait a second, people have decided that THEY prefer to have a toon in each bracket maxed out with the best gear playing nothing but PVP because it is how they want to play. If people didn't play this way then both sides would have an even spread of levels on their side, from x0 all the way to x9.

[Xmcdaniel]

some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.

Amen brother. Nothing bothers me more than a x0-x5 level in a BG. Seriously, I don't know why people waste their time like this.

[Xmcdaniel]

I could not agree more. After priests, low level BG players are the next thing I target since they die in like 3 seconds. It would be nice if the BGs were further broken up like, for example, 30-34 and then 35-39. But I realize if blizzard did it that way that it'd be near impossible to ever get a BG started.

Quite the contrary...a lot more people would be playing at the lower levels than before because they could actually compete. A good example...I was in a BG last night and a 41 war said "I probably shouldn't be here" and the overwhelming response was "you're right, you shouldn't". I think a lot of people at the x0 to x5 levels feel that way and don't play at those levels because of it.

[Xmcdaniel]

Druids and MOONKINS...

Stop spamming moonfire and develop some skill. Nothing I hate more than watching from a distance where that moonfire graphic keeps appearing over and over.

Here's an example:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5186563466223125083&q=druid+pvp&hl=en

EDIT: BTW, this video is freakin' hilarious I suggest you take a peak.

[Mirinda]

I'd love to put together a premade of all 30s, just to see the Horde reax.

I have played my priest in AB/WSG at 31 just to top off my turn-ins for rewards. It's a lot of dying, but people still appreciate being healed.

[Xmcdaniel]

I'd love to put together a premade of all 30s, just to see the Horde reax.

All 30's alliance premade vs. a horde PUG will get absolutely destroyed.

On horde, at least in my experience, 5-8 players from my last winning AB or WSG are on the next PUG group if I join right after (this must have something to do with the alliance/horde ratio). And most of them are between levels x7 and x9... I run 5 or 6 BG's a night and it's like this a lot.

[myusernameistaken]

Sorry - what's a pug and what's a premade?

[owlx]

pug = pick up group

premade = group of several players from the same server/guild, usually communicating with teamspeak or ventrilo

[myusernameistaken]

Ah ha - cheers!

[owlx]

I have twinks all throughout the 10-19, 20-29, and 40-49 brackets. I never get down on people for entering the bg's when they aren't x8 or x9. I enter the bg's at x2 in each bracket to get to know the twinks I will be running with and against. I will get down on people for bad/stupid play.

Even a x0-x5 has somthing to offer in a bg. As long as you are doing what you can to help, I don't have a problem with it. If you are going in there as a lvl 22 and expecting to take a 29 head on...........that's dumb. Hunters might be the only exception due to their ridiculous kiting abilities.

If you are low level priest, pally, shaman, or druid you should be healing. You damage spells will get resisted more often than not. If you are a mage, try chain sheeping someone to take a higher level payer out of the mix for a bit. If you are a warrior, charge/hamstring or charge/execute is probably all you can hope for, maybe a shield bash on some casters. Rogues, be sneaky and cap or run some flags and use sap. Warlocks, fear spam and dots.......make sure it's on a target that is either already being attacked or is out of combat to prevent them from using certain abilites.

It's not that hard. Support the people who are x9 and you will do better as a team. When I am in the lower levels of a bg bracket I do those things I mentioned above and I see good results and have a better time. If you wan't to be a dpsadin at level 12, then be prepared to get a lot of crap from a lot of people.

For the x9 player..........don't expect any low level to actually do any of those things. If they aren't helping, it's probably better to just cancel you rezes at the gy and let them get steamrolled.............after you get your hk's.

[jbordages]

[QUOTE=Jerkey;3847054]I'll add some of my own.


Hunters:
Please trap the flag (both in AB and WSG) and put down flares when needed.

What does "trap the flag" mean.

[Kerosene]

What does "trap the flag" mean.

put an ice trap at the flag so the person looking to capture the flag gets frozen before he can get away with it.

[ShawnHeat]

I cant believe the amount of poor sportsmanship I see in this thread.What I am referring to is people complaining because someone is on the lower end of the level spectrum and participates in the arenas.Its part of the game, so suck it up, stop whining, and play as a team!

My character is a lvel 27 paladin, and instead of whining, I prefer to heal the ones who are lower levelled.The ones whinign are probably the ones that just run past their teammates, allowing them to die, rather than heal them and keep their teams numbers higher.This only shows that they are the weakest link in the chain---not the guy who is 5 levels lower.So, please, stop whinig, accept that there will be lower levelled players on your team, and play as a single unit.I'm sick and tired of losing to the horde because they play more like a team.

I have a feeling that if those lower levelled players took your advice and stayed awa from teh BG, then you would just wind up eventually complaining about the x5-x6 players when your an x9 player.Eventually you'd wind up complaiign until only x9 characters played.Just grow up and support your team.

/sorry for my rant, just tired of losing because we cant play as a team and support each other.

[Tanitha]

Have to agree with you Shawn.

In my very first BG a group of gnome rogues were ranting because players around the 33 mark had entered on their team. For the entire BG they spent their efforts on belittling those players (Myself included - I was a 33 Pally at that time) rather than actually contributing to the win. Well. Being down by 3 or 4 players - to the loss. A rather humiliating one as well.

I've played a few more like that - usually it will end up with a few whiners doing nothing while the lower levels struggle. As far as I've been able to tell, never having actually played on a winning Alliance team, is that teamwork > levels.

And losing the mentality of "You must be at least this tall to play in my Battleground" might even result in more players from both groups taking part. Well, it probably won't as players will always min/max to get the victory and a team of 39s will more than likely beat a mixed team of 30-39s, but still.

Teamwork.

I wish there was a way to drum that into my fellow Alliance members.

[toprawman]

Druids and MOONKINS...

Stop spamming moonfire and develop some skill. Nothing I hate more than watching from a distance where that moonfire graphic keeps appearing over and over.

Here's an example:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5186563466223125083&q=druid+pvp&hl=en

EDIT: BTW, this video is freakin' hilarious I suggest you take a peak.

Note taken... I'll be sure to mix in a /dance after spamming MF

[Tomah]

Example - Dont join 50-59 BG's at lvl 50-52

I agree to this to an extent but I think its funny people shout at people who join at a low level when in an ab group we only have 10 -12 and not the maximum 15

[thefrozenpanda]

After being on the losing end of 3 45+ minute WG BGs last night alone, I have one suggestion to everyone.

DO NOT PLAY 100% DEFENSE ONLY!

It is so frustrating to have a 2-2 score 5 minutes into a game of WG and then piss away 40 more minutes because 1 team mails their 'sack to their alts and decides to camp inside their own flag room for the remainder of the game. It needlessly brings the game to a stand-still and frustrates, as well as annoys, everyone. Oh-freaking-no! You might only get 1 token instead of 3. Better spawn camp as a team and stretch the game out to close to an hour and hope the other side decides to leave so you win by default.

Lame.

[Altaris]

As far as I've been able to tell, never having actually played on a winning Alliance team, is that teamwork > levels.
<snip>
Teamwork.

I wish there was a way to drum that into my fellow Alliance members.

Quoted for truth. I've played BG as both Ally and Horde, and have won as both. Teamwork is the key to winning.

[ShawnHeat]

I posted this in another thread, but I thought it would be good to post it in this thread since I hear alot of people hating on low-level players in the battlegrounds:

I played perhaps the most fun BSG match in my short battlegrounds career arlier this week. It lasted about an hour.Right after posting in these very forums about how Alliance doesnt play as a team, I entered teh WSG BG. Horde got off to a very quick 2-0 lead, and I was like "Oh no, here we go again!"

Now, all those low-level BG haters should pay attention:

I'm a slow human paladin(level 27 at the time), so I'm not the best option for flag running. I mainly follow the flag carrier to the flag, cast a stun spell, and try to heal the carrier all the way back to our flag room.Anyway, after going down 2-0 to the Horde, practically everyone on Alliance fell apart and played scattered defence. Only 3 people went after the flag for the Alliance after this----me(as a healer) and a level 20 and level 23.The entire Alliance team was complaining to one another it seemed...but these two guys persisted, and I continued to follow them. Well, low and behold, that tiny little level 20 dwarf grabbed the flag and sprinted out the tunnel! He took alot of damage along the way---one hit on him took like 33% of his HP...but I stuck with him and healed him along the way....shortly thereafter he capped to make it a 2-1 Horde lead...but it was still 2-1, and everyone expected the Horde to buckle down and win this once and for all.Anyway, this level 20 dwarf got to the flag again, and bobbed and weaved his way across the field with such bold moves that he looked like Kobe Bryant driving the lane.It worked to our benefit, since it caused the Horde to scatter themselves in an attempt to catch this little bugger, and that only made healing easier on me because nobody even attempted to hit me or disrupt my healing.Moments late this dwarf hustled in to tied to score and change the momentum of the entire battle.Suddenly this level 20 dwarf inspired the entire alliance team and generated a new sense of life!Well, the game wasnt over, and as much as the dwarf persisted, the Horde began to focus on him, so he was unable to complete the hat-trick. However, his persistence allowed a level 23 rogue( I think it was a rogue) to sneak in and grab the flag. He hustled across the field, having to be healed about 8 times in the process, then entered our tunnel.He was in the homestretch! Moments later he capped the final flag in a dramatic come from behind victory for the Alliance!

I wish I could remeber that level 20 dwarfs name to give him major props! Imagine, all the haters out there that complain about low-level player in the battles grounds, and the alliance was carried to victory by a level 20 and level 23. I hope this reaches out to at least one person and convinces them that, if you play like a team and support the weaker playr, that they can be as valuable and a level x9 playr in the battlegrounds.

I regret not remembering the level 20 dwarf or level 23 rogues names, because they both deserve alot of credit!

Anyway, that was the best WSG game I had played yet, and I hope to play again with those two guys....

[DarkenerX]

just from a rogues point of view..:

mages: if you're a frost mage always have shield on, it makes it so much harder to land the wtfpwn ambush-evis kill on u

locks: fear and nubcoil like mad.. too many locks just spam dots on everything without considering who is even putting the hurt down on them

hunters: sit on a trap and flare.. if you are like this rogues will generally not bother touching you

other rogues: use your gouges and stuns!.. too many of you just sprint around trying to land backstabs which is useless.

priests: have shield as your panic button always.. and move around. otherwise you are such an easy kill

just some observations of what i see other people do (or dont do) too often which gets them killed a lot.

[Xaintrix]

shamans (coming from an allied enhance guy)- use purge, period, just use it as a lead-in especially against mage types, got to love removing buffs that cost a hunk of mana to recast, not only that but many expect an ES opening and will bait you with insta cast

Be patient the best you can, and watch for those mult****** spell castings - then whallop them.

Drae shamans - if you expect things to get ugly when going into a tough battle, go ahead and cast your racial just before engaging. You lose out on a few ticks, but if you don't have any resto you're probably going to get interrupted trying to cast it any later. It's only like a bandaid, but sometimes it's enough. Better than letting the racial just sit there until MAYBE you can get it off.


Totems - pain in the rear to use in BGs aren't they? I wouldn't terribly worry about the buffs unless you can get into a slugfest. I typically toss out when engaging or near a cluster of friendlies a grounding totem to soak up the odd spell or melee hit, tremor (because while it sucks it can actually work on rare occassion), and of course good ol earthbind.

I'm not telling anyone HOW they MUST play. I wouldn't get so antsy (except maybe the no on X0-X5 posts) about any other suggestions put forth. There are some nuggets of wisdom in there that shouldn't be overlooked. They may or may not work for you, your mileage may vary. But we have enough idiots out there, why try to stamp out what few helpful people there are?

Honestly, I world PvP more than anything else. In those many of them degenerate into a whack fest so I get more mileage out of things like Grace of Air and the like - but I've noticed with the frenetic pace and high volume of combatants, things DO need to be done a bit differently.