who the hell can come up with 5000g lol

[StealthAssasin]

-.- man this is gonna suck for people in terms that play fairly ie gold buyers proly have there 5000g waiting on the BC release lol while they look badass we will have to farm for literally years to get one this sucks T_T lol :cry: but some people have there gold fairly to say but most people with top gears have bought gold before.

[Naolin]

You gain gold faster in BC.

[StealthAssasin]

You gain gold faster in BC.

o ok :D lol

[SauceMaster]

Gold is indeed easier to make in BC. You can easily make 3-4k in gold just leveling 60-70 , some claim if you put your mind to work you could make 10k gold. I made about 3k leveling and I didn't even use the ah to sell nice drops or crafted items etc.

[StealthAssasin]

Gold is indeed easier to make in BC. You can easily make 3-4k in gold just leveling 60-70 , some claim if you put your mind to work you could make 10k gold. I made about 3k leveling and I didn't even use the ah to sell nice drops or crafted items etc.

:O me like e but do we gotta have out epic mounts first to get flying mount training?

[rgirty]

-.- man this is gonna suck for people in terms that play fairly ie gold buyers proly have there 5000g waiting on the BC release lol while they look badass we will have to farm for literally years to get one this sucks T_T lol :cry: but some people have there gold fairly to say but most people with top gears have bought gold before.

You know a lot of people with "top gears" who have confided their gold buying to you?

I would be more likely to say people with "top gears" spend more time playing the game, thus know the game better and how to make $$ better in the game.

I had 4k by level 40 and I'm a casual player. I can't imagine 5k being any trouble by 70. I'll buy my wife's mount as well so that'll be 10k for me.

Making money is not very hard in the current game, I can only think it will get easier in tbc.

[ganondorf]

haha nice joke 4000g at lvl 40 is a bit hard to believe...

[rgirty]

haha nice joke 4000g at lvl 40 is a bit hard to believe...

Believe what you want, but you can read any of my hundreds of posts here about gold making. I post here all the time about how to make $$ and how to make it easy. I posted several messages in kc's epic thread.

[Ikor]

agreed, pls keep posting real. 4k@lvl40? NO, I got to throw the BS flag at that one. Or Please tell us lesser beings how this was accomplished.

[rgirty]

:O me like e but do we gotta have out epic mounts first to get flying mount training?

Yes, yes you do.

You need the following skills, and cannot leapfrog any steps.

150- epic land riding skill
225- flying skill
300- epic flying skill.

For regular flying mounts, I think the cost is something like 1k for mount+training. If you want to get epic, you have to pay for the 225 skill 800g i think, then the 5k for epic training THEN buy an epic flying which is 200g.

So while an epic flying mount is 200g, and training is 5k in addition to that you need the regular flying skill which is 800. All this assuming you already have the epic land riding skill/or mount if you are pally/lock.

[dimakan]

Of course u can make 4K by lvl 40. I would argue it is even possible to make 4K by lvl 5. If that is your goal. I know players who started playing at the same time as I did about a year ago. I have 2 60s now, they have one still in late 40s. I spent all money I made to facilitate faster leveling (one of my mottos - do not grind quest item if u can buy it), while others concentrated more on making money. To each its own. I got my first char to 60 in 3 months. How long did it take you to get to 40 with 4K?

[Stigg]

Haven't yall heard of kcma? New realm, no money. 1k gold in 2 weeks starting without a copper.

5k g is goinna be simple enough.

[brandondash]

Believe what you want, but you can read any of my hundreds of posts here about gold making. I post here all the time about how to make $$ and how to make it easy. I posted several messages in kc's epic thread.
The problem with both yours and kcma's posts is that you don't actually SAY anything. "Use the auction house" is hardly a good guide for money making.

Another thing I'd be interested in is finding out how much time you had /played by 40. If you say something like "10 days" then that 4k gold is largely wasted since you could have spent the time getting 60.

brandon-

[rgirty]

I believe it took me about two months to total 4k? I was buying a lot of boe's and basically twinking mine and my wife's char's while PL'ing professions like alchemy/enchanting and tailoring. When we went to buy our mounts @ 40 I had 4k gold.


The problem with both yours and kcma's posts is that you don't actually SAY anything. "Use the auction house" is hardly a good guide for money making.

brandon-

This leads me to believe you didn't read the thread. The following post is made on page 10.

I posted the following on 06/27/06 over 6 months ago. The economy has changed some, due to the xpac but I think your statement of "you don't actually SAY anything" is not an accurate depiction of my post. I gave a step by step of the method I use and even explained what items to buy and what kind of ROI you would receive. At the end I even apologized for the length.

In other threads I give detailed information on how to make money using profesions so that anyone can make $$. Not as much as the AH method, but still a great income.

The link to this page of the thread is here--

http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=371401&page=10&highlight=make+gold+kcma

What I said is below, most of this is still valid the only issue is the buying selling of boe blues. High end items don't move well due to PvP rewards, but enchanting mats are on fire due to people getting enchants on their new gear AND people leveling up their DE banker alts.

If I had 100g and wanted to make the most of it I would do it in this fashion.

1. make sure my auctioneer data is good.
2. make sure enchantix is loaded.
3. do a scan for all 50+ green items on the AH buy everything/anything less than a 2g buyout that will disenchant. there are some things that will not disenchant, make sure you look at the enchantrix tooltip and verify the item will disenchant. You will find a small number of items probably 20g worth. Disenchant these items and repost the enchanting mats using auctioneer recommended pricing.
4. now you have 80g, do a manual scan- should take 15-20 mins depending on amount of pages. Buyout any items with decent profit, i would try to pick up more items that sell for the 10-20g range as they sell better. Spending probably 5-8g per buyout. This will take the majority of your cash.
5. you will have about 20g left, bid or buyout on any underpriced green/blue items and or cloth.

6. I would expect you to make about 100g from your investment. Plus all the items you won with bids. Disenchant those items or sell them accordingly and repost for the next night.

7. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Expect 100+g profit each day after the first day. If you spend 100g investing I would expect at least 175g in the mail waiting on you perhaps even 200. So it would scale like this.

day 1 - 100g to invest
day 2 - 175g plus items won from bidding
day 3 - 250g in the mail
day 4 - 400g in the mail
day 5 - 550g in the mail
day 6- 700g in the mail

This could be totally off base but pretty much scales from what my normal operations are.

There are some problems with this, spending 500-600G at the auction house will be difficult. There probably will not be 500-600g worth of bargains so the more you purchase the less% your returns will be. I have a hard time spending more than 200-300g. Also checking the mail becomes very tedious. I very often have 200+ running auctions and it takes a while to collect the money from selling all of those.

To answer the question in short, I would expect you to have 500G and many running auctions after one week starting with 100g.

I started with 25silver on Friday and had about 200g last night, because i bought many items to keep for myself until later.

I apologize for the length of this post.

[rgirty]

Another thing I'd be interested in is finding out how much time you had /played by 40. If you say something like "10 days" then that 4k gold is largely wasted since you could have spent the time getting 60.


About 30 minutes per session at the AH. I only played, and still only play 2-3 hour sessions. Occasionally a 4 hour but that is fairly rare. Also, if I'm enjoying myself why is that time wasted? What is the big rush to 60? I don't have the time to raid so why rush it? It took me a while, due to my playtime but I've had enough time @ 60 to do all the 5 man and 10 man instances many times over.

Likewise, I probably won't be in a big rush to 70. I'll be getting the recipes for my professions and running the 5 mans for my level. It isn't a race for me I just enjoy playing the game. If you have 20-30 extra minutes per session making 5k gold shouldn't be hard at all using the AH. With your professions you can make a nice amount as well, it just takes a little longer.

[brandondash]

This leads me to believe you didn't read the thread. The following post is made on page 10.
Ah yes I remember that post. I believe I discounted it for two reasons.

1) Step three is based on a premise that doesn't hold true on either server I play on. There happen to be 0 (zero) 51+ greens under 2g EVER on the auction house. While my bias would lead me to believe that is a universal truth, I'm willing to admit it may just be an anomoly of where I play.

2) Step four as a money making scheme has returned dubius results. For every person who says this makes them money, you'll find another who loses the same amount of money recycling the same items and using an auctioneer database with the same age and same number of scans.

About 30 minutes per session at the AH. I only played, and still only play 2-3 hour sessions. Occasionally a 4 hour but that is fairly rare. Also, if I'm enjoying myself why is that time wasted? What is the big rush to 60? .... It isn't a race for me I just enjoy playing the game.
Point taken. I think you probably know already though that you are in the minority. For most people if you ask them if they'd rather be rich and level 40 or poor and level 60, they'd opt for the 2nd. In the context of the OP, having 5k is no good if you can't spend it on the flying mount. :)

[StealthAssasin]

O_O wow lol

[Stigg]

There are other ways to doing as well. I prefer to go along the same route as kcma. Controlling the market. If there are 10 Large Brilliant shards on the AH for 5g a piece, buy them all and relist for 7g. Assuming they sell (and LBS usually do within the day...) you just made a 40% profit off yoru investment. Wash and repeat with other reagents.

It's true for my server as well. There aren't THAT many 51+ boe greens less than a 2g BO on the AH. BUT there may be 5 or so, which DOES net a decent amt of cash. AND there is usually about 15 or so that have a starting bid of 50s or so with a 5G buyout. So I toss my bid in and 90% of the time I win the item....especially if its "of the whale" or some other useless item.

Tag that along with 15g per 20 minutes of two complete SM library clears, and that alone is 45g an hour just in cash/vendor trash. Tag that along with the BOEs that drop from SM, a possible paying customer of a runthrough, and Its eaily 80g an hour. With no risk whatsoever.

Yall also need to note that although it is clearly possible (as kcma and so many others have) to make 1k gold in 2 weeks. Hell, if the market is JUST right, I bet some players could do it over the coarse of 3 days with a small investment. BUT. You WILL NOT be reaching level 70 in a week (I hope not atleast) and there is a good bet a good majority won't be 70 within 2 weeks or even 3 weeks. SO, if you do a bit of AH scanning daily, for maybe 30 minutes, each day yourprofits will go up, and within the couple of weeks 9along with all the grinding cash and instance cash) 5k seems very reasonable. Especially if you replace your epics with greens....so each time you die you won't lose 10g.

[StealthAssasin]

cool thanx on tips -.- lol is allis ecomomy and hordes the same? in ah? cause the allis economy is ****ed up in the enchanting field one minuete super cheap then 1 hour late all prices raise up to rediculous amounts -_-

[rgirty]

1) Step three is based on a premise that doesn't hold true on either server I play on. There happen to be 0 (zero) 51+ greens under 2g EVER on the auction house. While my bias would lead me to believe that is a universal truth, I'm willing to admit it may just be an anomoly of where I play.

2) Step four as a money making scheme has returned dubius results. For every person who says this makes them money, you'll find another who loses the same amount of money recycling the same items and using an auctioneer database with the same age and same number of scans.


on point 1. like yourself, I cannot state what happens on other servers, only give my experiences here. I'm not doubting that you can't do these things on your sever but I have and continue to do them on mine.

Many people here were doubting that I did this, or could do it and one thing I'm doing here is simply trying to prove myself.

point 2) works for me, again can't speak for other people or servers but I have told many people in my guild about these methods and they have made good $ as well.

So basically what you are saying to the above is that it won't work for everyone and I agree that is possible. Again, I can only state what works for me on my server with my experiences.

Point taken. I think you probably know already though that you are in the minority. For most people if you ask them if they'd rather be rich and level 40 or poor and level 60, they'd opt for the 2nd. In the context of the OP, having 5k is no good if you can't spend it on the flying mount. :)

You are proving my point here, by saying people don't want to make the money they rather do something else. If you are going to rush to 70 I don't expect that you would have 5k ready to go for the flying mount. It is kind of a tradeoff between the two. However, I don't think 20-30 minutes per session is a large amount of time.

Also to the OP, some of the people who can fairly easily come up with this kind of $ study the economy the trends and find innovative ways to make $ with their professions.

Some of the people just have a lot of playtime which = better gear and more $$.

People have different perspectives on the game, I have a friend who has mostly tier3 but quite often borrows gold from me as he is always broke with repair costs and consumables. Others with tier 3 are loaded with cash... different strokes i guess.

[petedotcom]

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[petedotcom]

cool thanx on tips -.- lol is allis ecomomy and hordes the same? in ah? cause the allis economy is ****ed up in the enchanting field one minuete super cheap then 1 hour late all prices raise up to rediculous amounts -_-

thats because of money making tactics described above. People often forget (or dont care) that playing the AH for money is playing the gaming community. You profit because you overcharge a product. yay capitalism.

[StealthAssasin]

yah rushing is ma problem cause i did ma 50' like 4-6 hours per lvl just rushing to 60 only making like 300g and after paying back loans and buying freinds gifts and loaning peoples money that once helped me -_- came up to bout 80g pocket change lol enough forr future repairs of alll the pvp;s and running instances i do for lower peeps T_T. To get to the point im the poorest person on my server lol

[rgirty]

There are other ways to doing as well. I prefer to go along the same route as kcma. Controlling the market. If there are 10 Large Brilliant shards on the AH for 5g a piece, buy them all and relist for 7g. Assuming they sell (and LBS usually do within the day...) you just made a 40% profit off yoru investment. Wash and repeat with other reagents.

It's true for my server as well. There aren't THAT many 51+ boe greens less than a 2g BO on the AH. BUT there may be 5 or so, which DOES net a decent amt of cash. AND there is usually about 15 or so that have a starting bid of 50s or so with a 5G buyout. So I toss my bid in and 90% of the time I win the item....especially if its "of the whale" or some other useless item.

Tag that along with 15g per 20 minutes of two complete SM library clears, and that alone is 45g an hour just in cash/vendor trash. Tag that along with the BOEs that drop from SM, a possible paying customer of a runthrough, and Its eaily 80g an hour. With no risk whatsoever.

Yall also need to note that although it is clearly possible (as kcma and so many others have) to make 1k gold in 2 weeks. Hell, if the market is JUST right, I bet some players could do it over the coarse of 3 days with a small investment. BUT. You WILL NOT be reaching level 70 in a week (I hope not atleast) and there is a good bet a good majority won't be 70 within 2 weeks or even 3 weeks. SO, if you do a bit of AH scanning daily, for maybe 30 minutes, each day yourprofits will go up, and within the couple of weeks 9along with all the grinding cash and instance cash) 5k seems very reasonable. Especially if you replace your epics with greens....so each time you die you won't lose 10g.

There are a ton of methods to make $$.

I have used some very complicated ones through manipulation but typically do not. I also do not typically share those methods as people come back with "that does not work" or "you can't do that".

I'll give a very simple example. Let say for instance, you are a tailor.

The #1 income for me as a tailor has been bags. The #1 item in terms of cost of goods as a raw material for these items is the runecloth and or mooncloth. How I defeated this obstacle was to create a network of people who would sell me their mooncloth or runecloth for cheap.

I would pug some 5 man instances and ask people, what do you do with all this runecloth? If they answered "vendor it" I would respond with "don't do that, i'll pay DOUBLE vendor price just COD it to me" they would love this idea and with enough people I had an unending supply of materials for my bags.

Nearly the same idea with mooncloth, lots of people don't like to take the time to bother with the AH so I would get several people who make the mooncloth to cod it to me for less than the going price, no muss no fuss easy materials for me.

Just some examples, there are tons and tons of ways to make easy $

[StealthAssasin]

thats because of money making tactics described above. People often forget (or dont care) that playing the AH for money is playing the gaming community. You profit because you overcharge a product. yay capitalism.

ROFL lol yah points you proved was pretty good lol :D

[Gorny]

haha nice joke 4000g at lvl 40 is a bit hard to believe...

Not really.

You can make some cash in the AH if you play the market right.

Edit: It does take time and Auctioneer and Enchantrix + gathering professions do help.

[Gealach]

I used to be skeptical of AH money-building methods until my boss started playing. He's on the phone a lot at work and he fairly mindlessly plays the AH while on the phone. By the time he was level 35 he bought me an epic mount and had enough left over to buy a quel-serrar book for another friend. By 40 he had enough to buy himself an epic mount again if he could have ridden it at 40.

Some servers are better than others. Icecrown is easier money than Perenolde for example. Different things are more valuable on different servers. Icecrown is easy because there's a ridiculous amount of demand for lower level greens and blues.

Just get a feel for what's overvalued and available on your server.

[Grimmhjort]

Ah yes I remember that post. I believe I discounted it for two reasons...

Seems to me this translates as, "I can't figure out how to do this, therefore it is impossible. Joo r te l13r."

Hmmm...

I casually use the same methods of auction research and resell and am never short of cash, despite my patterns addiction.

Grimm

[Gnat]

5k gold?! /cry, i cant make 50g eaven if my life depended on it.
i have what you call, no_economic_sense_what-so-ever.

so i guess ill be running around with my lvl40 mount at lvl70 aswell.

[nespejsen]

hehe, i dont use ah much for making gold, but rather farm elite humanoid mobs, heartglen, tyrs hand, sometimes firewatch ridge,or instances and doesnt take me long to gather 800-1000g, just loot every item, then its fairly easy to gain some coins for expansion.. and as said in other posts, you gain more gold loots as mobs lvl is higher when you lvl towards 70...

if you WANT gold, just do some efforts :)

[apsoccermd]

This GAME ECONOMY mess is totally ruining the game.

You should get rewarded for questing and mob killing but not for spending hour in AH doing in shady gold making scams.

If you play the game right way: questing, 1 gathering, and 1 crafting profession you are going to be flat broke at the early stage!

The only way to make any gold is to spend 50% in AH and running around and doing gathering as your first and second profession. This really takes away from the game.

I hope Blizzard does something about it.

This makes me sick!:cry:

[Gealach]

Its not ruining the economy if you remember one general rule:

If you enjoy playing the AH, play the AH. If you aren't good at making money off the AH, stay away from it except in direst extremis.

I'm not good at the AH. I could prolly learn, but I also don't find it enjoyable. As a result, I almost never entered the AH building prior to hitting 60. I have bankfuls of mats I've collected over the process of levelling multiple 60s that are prolly quite valuable, but generally speaking I'd rather give them away to a guildie for free than take my chances on the AH.

It was nice of my boss to buy my mage an epic mount, but my first epic I got the hard way, grinding money. Ordinarily it wouldn't have been fun but I grouped with friends who wanted timbermaw rep so it wasn't too bad.

In BC money is much easier to come by. You shouldn't have to grind much at all. Just working toward rep should get you the cash you need.

That said, an epic mount is *supposed* to be an achievement. Getting them as door prizes wouldn't be rewarding. My druid still uses her travel form at 60 and has no mount at all. Yes its somewhat annoying but hardly intolerable. What folks are experiencing is called 'relative deprivation', but its not nearly as big a deal as folks are making it out to be. I suppose its just a form of cultural ADD these days, to get everything NOW, be everywhere NOW, and get upset if anyone else has something we don't have.

[brandondash]

Seems to me this translates as, "I can't figure out how to do this, therefore it is impossible. Joo r te l13r."
Hmmm...
I casually use the same methods of auction research and resell and am never short of cash, despite my patterns addiction.
Grimm
Hi Grimm, welcome to the wwn boards!

Certainly rgity's scheme works for some people. My point was that it is not a tried-and-true money making method, which is what it is often billed as. If you had fully read both his and my posts, you'll notice that for the first strategy it truely was impossible. You can't recycle items that aren't there. There is no question of comprehension in that case.

Likewise, there is nothing to "figure out" about buylow+sellhigh. Again, all I was addressing was that using auctioneer to apply this paradigm to playing the market will not return reliable results.

No need to pull out the leet speak, man.

brandon-

[rgirty]

5k gold?! /cry, i cant make 50g eaven if my life depended on it.
i have what you call, no_economic_sense_what-so-ever.

so i guess ill be running around with my lvl40 mount at lvl70 aswell.

For people like yourself who don't have the economic knowledge to perform those strategies there are some simple strategies that you can use to increase your net worth.

1. Don't buy anything from the AH.
2. Limit your use of consumables.
3. Limit your flying (costs $) take the tram etc etc, got a mage friend?

Now, the following tip is a big one that people simply do not seem to do.. or want to do, i'm not sure.

4. Give yourself the MAX amount of bag space that is affordable. If you can't afford many extra bank slots or even mooncloth bags at least get yourself runecloth bags. Keep your bank and inventory as clean as possible.

Designate bags for assignment starting from the left (default UI).

Here is what I do, might not be applicable to your setup but this is what I do.

First bag on the left, completely full of things I have to have on my person 100% of the time. This includes a very small amount of extra gear (things like the av trinket, and carrot on a stick) hearth stone, mounts, and all my enchanting rods. I know that I only need to open this bag if I need to change trinkets or hearth. Make some macros if you want to, but for me its not needed.

Next bag to the right, consumables. In this bag I keep 100 candles (play a priest) all my pots and I might be in the minority here but I keep a small stock of regents for mages/hunters in this bag. I keep it completely full at all times. This way I don't have to worry about the mage in the group not being able to cast group AI, the hunter run out of ammo portal stones etc. No need to open this bag unless you are passing out regents or when you hearth back to IF check your stock, drop by the regent vendor and restock accordingly.

The next bag over, or the middle bag is my bag for mats. All my profession mats go here, shards/runecloth/felcloth. I keep it full on most occasions, put the odd spillover items in the bank like essences or golden pearls.

This leaves the last two bags on the right, one 18s and one 16s. This leaves me 34 slots for looting which has always been adequate. I know when I go to vendor/ah/de that I only need to look in the first two bags.

This keeps my bags clean, no muss no fuss.

I deal with my bank in much of the same manner except I keep very few things in the bank I don't like going to the bank, or dealing with the bank. I use it mostly for quest items which I have very few of as I don't really like to quest. I keep overstock profession mats there as well but that is about it.
With the expansion coming up, I suggest you shard (if you can) or vendor all the stuff you don't need.. all that old gear you have been holding on to. If you do it now you will be able to receive good $ for your shards/dusts. If you wait until xpac when people are upgrading the ah will be flooded with these things by people sharding their old gear.

Someone with little economic ability can do the above things to maximize their net worth. Time= money and being organized can save a lot of both.

I apologize for the length of this post.

[rgirty]

This GAME ECONOMY mess is totally ruining the game.

You should get rewarded for questing and mob killing but not for spending hour in AH doing in shady gold making scams.

If you play the game right way: questing, 1 gathering, and 1 crafting profession you are going to be flat broke at the early stage!

The only way to make any gold is to spend 50% in AH and running around and doing gathering as your first and second profession. This really takes away from the game.

I hope Blizzard does something about it.

This makes me sick!:cry:

Ok, I can understand how you say this with the pricing of items. But truly, buying BoE items from the AH is what a lot of people want to do. Charging what the market will bring is not a "scam"

DE'ing green weapons and armor is not a "scam" you must have an adequate level of DE to do so. With recent patches you have to invest a considerable amount of your own $$ to be able to DE the weapons/armor detailed in the method of my previous post. If we didn't DE things enchanters themselves wouldn't be able to skill up as easily as there wouldn't be any mats on the AH to buy. People could not get the enchants they want, because they can't get the mats from the AH.

Also, buying cloth and making bags isn't a "scam" either.

As a low and mid level char you should be doing gathering professions, this helps with the immersion of the game IMO you are learning therefore supplying people with more knowledge (crafters) with their needed materials for their craft. When you become higher level and more experienced, you can yourself drop a gathering profession and take up the crafting if you so wish.

In summary, no one forces anyone to go to the AH. It does not take away from the game in the least. In fact I would say it enhances it greatly.

Also, I don't spend 50% of my time in the ah. Right now, I spend less than 10 mins per session there. When I was doing it very heavy, 20-30 minutes per session was more than adequate.

If anyone wants/needs more tips please let me know and I'll be more than welcome to give answer any questions to the best of my ability. I'm not KCMA of market manipulation but I'll lay out my simple strategies that I think most people can use.

[brandondash]

Could you go into return on investment a bit more for 51+ greens? I'm a bit hazy on the percentages for essences vs dusts, but from fourty thousand feet it seems like paying 1.9g on an item that will DE into a 1.6g dust most of the time doesn't seem like a fast way to make money. Just because I never see those items doesn't mean I'm not interested in how the numbers play out. =)

[rgirty]

I'll use a couple of examples. In the examples, i'm talking about what level you need to be to equip the items, not the actual item level. Most if not all people refer to them in this manner but I just wanted to clarify.

Here we have roughly the %'s on a runecloth headband, from my own experiences this is pretty much accurate for green armor that is level 51-55.

Illusion Dust x1.60 76 %
Greater Eternal Essence x1 20%
Large Brilliant Shard x1.00 4 %

In the following example, I'll use a wizardweave turban which is level 56.

Illusion Dust x3.65 83 %
Greater Eternal Essence x2.34 16 %
Large Brilliant Shard x1.00 1 %

Now that we have our %'s let us do some very round simple math.

For averages sake, we'll say we have purchased 100 of each item. I will also round down instead of up when decimals come into play.

100 runecloth headbands should break down very closely to the following mats.

Illusion dust = 121

Greater eternal essence = 20

Large brilliant shard = 4

That is the easy part, enchantrix will give you all the % of any item you mouse over in game.

Now for the part that is a little more difficult. Value of each item will vary. However on my server I can use these averages.

Illusion dust 1g

Greater Eternal Essence 5G

Large Brilliant Shards 5G

Fairly easy math here to get our DE market value for these mats.

Illusion dusts- 121G

Greater Eternal Essences - 100g

Large Brilliant Shards - 20G

For a grand total of 241G.

I stated in my post, paying less than 2g for these items however for round numbers sake we will round up to 2g each per item.

Cost of goods DE'd - 200g
Finished Product -- 241G.

When you sell at AH you will lose %5 of that value in AH fees.

241*5%= 12g.

241-200-12= 29 Gold.

29 Gold out of every 200G invested for Green Armor in the 51-55 bracket.

Cost of goods = 200g (2g per item) profit 14.5%

This is a 14.5% return of investment on your gold. I used very conservative numbers and you may see a higher return but this number should be very solid.

Now, we will have a look at the 56+ items. We will again use 100 count sample for our numbers. When you DE 100 of the wizardweave turban you should receive--

Illusion Dust 302

Greater Eternal Essence 37

Large Brilliant Shard -1

We'll use the same values as before for item value which give us--

Illusion dust 302G

Greater Eternal Essence - 185G

Large Brilliant Shard - 5g

Grand total of 492G.

Cost of goods 200g.

Let us total our net profit.

492-200-25(ah fees) gives is a total of 267 gold net profit.

As you can already see the ROI for these items is much greater, you will buy much much fewer of these at that price especially since they normally vendor for around that area and the deposits are hefty. You will have more luck in paying 3-3.5 G per item however this does cut down on the profit. I'll calculate both cost of goods for our purposes.

200g cost of goods (2g per item) = 133% net profit

300g cost of goods (3g per item) = 55% net profit

350G cost of goods (3.5g per item)= 36% net profit


Now, we are finished with armor. Let us move on to weapons.

51+ Green Weapons disenchant as follows--

Greater Eternal Essence x1.41 76 %
Illusion Dust x1.48 21 %
Large Brilliant Shard x1.00 3 %
Lesser Eternal Essence x3.00 1 %

Again, we'll use 100 sampling to get our numbers.

Greater Eternal Essences 107
Illusion dust 31
Large Brilliant shards 3
Lesser Eternal Essences 1

We will use the same item values as before to determine total values.

Greater eternal essence 535G
Illusion dust 31g
Large Brilliant 15g
Lesser eternal essence 5g

Gross profit 586G
Cost of goods 200g.

let us tally 586-200-29g(ah fees)= 357G

I will scale as before.

200G cost of goods = 178% profit
300G cost of goods= 85% profit
350G cost of goods = 59% profit.


56+ Green Weapons Disenchant as follows--

Greater Eternal Essence x2.61 69 %
Illusion Dust x3.42 23 %
Large Brilliant Shard x1.00 8 %

Again, we will use 100 count sample which gives us the following amounts.

Greater eternal essence 180
Illusion dust 78
Large brilliant shards 8

We will use the same value for each as before to give us

Greater eternal essence- 900G
Illusion dust- 78g
Large Brilliant shards 40g

Gross profit 1018G

Let us tally, 1018-200-50g (ah fees)= 768G net profit.

I'll scale this the same as before.

200g cost of goods (2g each) = 384% profit.

300g cost of goods (3g each) = 222% profit.

350g cost of goods (3.5g each) = 176% profit.

You will rarely find a 56+ green weapon this cheaply. But as you can see you could pay upwards of 4-5G per item and still make a profit.

In my earlier post I stated that the majority of cash was spent buying underpriced boe blues and other items for resell and this is where the majority of cash was made. This was true, however in the game as it now exists with the xpac looming this does not work very well. I do however expect it to work great when the xpac does actually become established.

For some round numbers sake we are going to break down the number of each item you could expect to buy in 100 items purchased from my experiences.

51-55 Green armor 80
55-56 Green armor 10
51-55 Green weapons 7
56-60 Green weapons 3

With 100 items purchased at 2g per item you can expect a net profit % of 48.8 percent.

If you spend 200g buying those items at the amounts I specify above you will see a net profit of 97 gold.

I apologize for the length of this post, any spelling or grammatical errors I may have made as well as any incorrect calculations. If you see any, feel free to point them out and I will edit accordingly.

Hope this answers you questions, let me know if you want details on profession making $ or any other aspect. Hope this clears up some of your questions.

[mesonm]

You go through all that for your analysis?

All I do is to wing it, comparing what I know things are worth on the weekend to what they are posted at during the week, and buy it during the week if there is enough estimated profit potential.

And, my profit per hour (three or more visits) of AH slumming is 20-40g.

For awhile, I was making flasks, and selling for 40g or more profit, on each flask, selling a few each week.

[Stigg]

You go through all that for your analysis?

All I do is to wing it, comparing what I know things are worth on the weekend to what they are posted at during the week, and buy it during the week if there is enough estimated profit potential.

And, my profit per hour (three or more visits) of AH slumming is 20-40g.

For awhile, I was making flasks, and selling for 40g or more profit, on each flask, selling a few each week.


Pretty sure stuff like that has come second nature to players that use methods liek these on the AH. When I get to the AH, I look at the price of reagents, then have at it.

Brandondash - Just because YOU can't make this kind of money doesn't mean a load of other people are doing the same. Playing the AH IS the most time efficient way to make gold in this game and it IS able to work. There are many other AH gold making methods, regardless of if there are any 50+ greens/blues on the AH.

[brandondash]

Brandondash - Just because YOU can't make this kind of money doesn't mean a load of other people are doing the same. Playing the AH IS the most time efficient way to make gold in this game and it IS able to work. There are many other AH gold making methods, regardless of if there are any 50+ greens/blues on the AH.
sigh

... and this brings me back to my original entry. "Play the auction house" is not a viable guide to aid players in making money. I'm very happy that you instinctively know which items to look for in what amounts and for what prices. That really has nothing to do with my point. Until you elucidate your expertise, it helps joe-newbie not at all.

and where exactly did I say I can't make that kind of money? I make a ton of money on the auction house.

[rgirty]

You go through all that for your analysis?

All I do is to wing it, comparing what I know things are worth on the weekend to what they are posted at during the week, and buy it during the week if there is enough estimated profit potential.

And, my profit per hour (three or more visits) of AH slumming is 20-40g.

For awhile, I was making flasks, and selling for 40g or more profit, on each flask, selling a few each week.

No, I do not but brandon asked me to break it down.

I'm sure most of you can do the simple calculations in my post in your heads when buying stuff to DE, I know I do.

Yes, profit from the AH isn't what it used to be, people are saving $$ for the expansion. Enchanting mats are still going strong tho, as people enchant their new pvp gear.

[brandondash]

btw rgirty thank you for the written analysis. I'm a lazy bastard and didn't feel like digging for the percentages for disenchanting.

[rgirty]

btw rgirty thank you for the written analysis. I'm a lazy bastard and didn't feel like digging for the percentages for disenchanting.

Your welcome. If you don't have enchantrix (not sure why you wouldn't) you can always look up items on GW not sure if the link is allowed but i'm sure you know the site if not just send me pm. GW gives accurate % breakdown DE of item unlike the SITE THAT SHALL NOT BE MENTIONED!!

[mesonm]

sigh

... and this brings me back to my original entry. "Play the auction house" is not a viable guide to aid players in making money. I'm very happy that you instinctively know which items to look for in what amounts and for what prices. That really has nothing to do with my point. Until you elucidate your expertise, it helps joe-newbie not at all.

and where exactly did I say I can't make that kind of money? I make a ton of money on the auction house.

But, he did describe his technique, in a very detailed manner....At least, that is how I read it above.

[rgirty]

But, he did describe his technique, in a very detailed manner....At least, that is how I read it above.

Yes and gave ROI percentages if your cost of goods price varied from the original example.

[StealthAssasin]

as towards enchanting most people i know are disenchanting epic O_O and selling the enchanting stuff off for big bucks before BC drops and there just vuying lvl 51+ greens and blues. Most of em are waiting on drops in the new dungeons but we will have to wait and see wut drops unless anyone has a list? Does anyone have a droplist yet?

[rgirty]

A lot of sites have a long list of drops.

[StealthAssasin]

A lot of sites have a long list of drops.

do you care to link me some T-T lol :D

[rgirty]

You can find a lot by looking right here

http://forums.worldofwar.net/search.php

[StealthAssasin]

-.- o yeah thanx */slap*

[brandondash]

But, he did describe his technique, in a very detailed manner....At least, that is how I read it above.
This is all going rather far afield. I was focusing mainly on kcma, and even that was just to bust his chops a bit because he deserves it. ;) I hadn't planned on things spiralling to the point at which they currently are.

[brandondash]

Your welcome. If you don't have enchantrix (not sure why you wouldn't)
memory considerations =\

[Stigg]

This is all going rather far afield. I was focusing mainly on kcma, and even that was just to bust his chops a bit because he deserves it. ;) I hadn't planned on things spiralling to the point at which they currently are.

I disagree with this. kcma did a wonderful job explaining what HE does. which is not the same as what rgirty does. Although long winded (as kcma is) he did do an amazing job getting people familiar with controlling the market, quick sales, ripping people off, and underselling.

For some people, some of those techniques are second nature. For others...not so much. If you can succesfully control the market of a few items, your cash flow will be incredible each and every day. kcma, across what....30 pages?...., made many people aware of how easy gold making is. Now granted....we all know kcma COULD have written a "guide" type document where he simply gathered up all his information, took some ss's and posted a single long post....but that ain't kcma's style.....and thats why hes loved here.

[Twoflower]

sigh

... and this brings me back to my original entry. "Play the auction house" is not a viable guide to aid players in making money. I'm very happy that you instinctively know which items to look for in what amounts and for what prices. That really has nothing to do with my point. Until you elucidate your expertise, it helps joe-newbie not at all.

and where exactly did I say I can't make that kind of money? I make a ton of money on the auction house.

that s exactly the point. you can describe the way you do it. but as economics differ whit every server, every faction on every server etc, you realy must do some homework on your own. you cannot say "buy item x for price y and disenchat it for sure profit". Some things you must learn by yourself.

[Woodlander]

I disagree with this. kcma did a wonderful job explaining what HE does. which is not the same as what rgirty does. Although long winded (as kcma is) he did do an amazing job getting people familiar with controlling the market, quick sales, ripping people off, and underselling.



I'm not sure you could describe what he is doing as ripping people off. After all, if his prices were TOO high then noone would buy what he offers. I know that the few times I've bought mats from the AH I always checked the prices and if they seemed unreasonably high then I just waited a few hours or went to another AH. Sure it took longer, but that's bargain hunting for ya.

[BiffSlamkovich]

I'm a 41 priest (on Skullcrusher, if that matters), and I'm trying to raise money for a mount. Yes, I know this is pretty late in the game. Anyway, I need about 70G still, and I come across this... Here are my questions:

1) I'm currently skinner/tailor. Is it worthwhile for me to switch to enchanting (I'd drop skinning) for this method? Especially considering the way they changed the profession and how you can't DE everything with a skill of 1 anymore.

2) Is this something I should even attempt with the expansion coming? Or should I hold tight and wait it out, see what the new moneymakers are?

This, and any other advice anyone could offer in my predicament would be well appreciated. I know I could skin to get the money, but that is very time consuming, and the market can be quite fickle on my server (from what I've noticed). My tailoring is only 225, and mats are very expensive, so I can't do much with it right now (other than feed enchanting if I do it).

[kcma]

i have a brand new priest in a brand new server WITHOUT high level disenchanting *wink*

let's see how that goes :)

agreed, pls keep posting real. 4k@lvl40? NO, I got to throw the BS flag at that one. Or Please tell us lesser beings how this was accomplished.

this reminds me of how ppl making $6/hr says, jebus... there is no way anyone can make a 6 figure income... i call it BS. truthfully 6 figure is not even that much. i dont play much because i work alot. i log in a few times a week and i dont spend more than 10-15 min everytime i stop by AH. there is no way anyone can make as much gold as i do grinding and crafting :) it's just extremely effecient.

[BiffSlamkovich]

i have a brand new priest in a brand new server WITHOUT high level disenchanting *wink*

let's see how that goes :)

So, are you still going the disenchanting route? Or something else entirely? Or is it a secret?

[kcma]

well thanks to change to enchanting... i can't buy a lvl 56 item and disenchant them with my lowbie new char with less than 1 day /played :)

[BiffSlamkovich]

well thanks to change to enchanting... i can't buy a lvl 56 item and disenchant them with my lowbie new char with less than 1 day /played :)

Of course. So, are you going to be buying level 10 items and disenchanting them? Or buying low/selling high? Or trying to ride the oncoming mining wave (another thought I and about 10,000 other people have had, given jewelcrafting)?

[kcma]

i'm just buying low selling high ATM. i might take up tailoring to turn extra cloth into dusts and essense :)

[edandor]

I had 4k by level 40 and I'm a casual player. I can't imagine 5k being any trouble by 70. I'll buy my wife's mount as well so that'll be 10k for me.

Making money is not very hard in the current game, I can only think it will get easier in tbc.

screenshot or it didnt happen

[kcma]

screenshot or it didnt happen

i've made plenty of screenshots (including what i bought and sold). 4k @ 40 is really not terribly difficult. rgirty has always been very active in discussing what he did and how he does it. if i were him i find the whole SS or it didn't happen thing annoying and for what? does he owe you some kind of proof?

screenshots and videos can be easily faked anyway, at the end of the day it's the poster's credibility and integrity.

[bwirum]

screenshots and videos can be easily faked anyway, at the end of the day it's the poster's credibility and integrity.

And given rgirty's name and reputation on these boards, I'd say his words are pretty solid.

Allthough
First bag on the left, completely full of things I have to have on my person 100% of the time. This includes a very small amount of extra gear (things like the av trinket, and carrot on a stick) hearth stone, mounts, and all my enchanting rods. I know that I only need to open this bag if I need to change trinkets or hearth. Make some macros if you want to, but for me its not needed.
You do realize that one rod is enough these days, no? Was changed in ... 1.12 wasn't it?

[wesje]

17.8k and counting

its not that hard.
Take your basic economics with the fact 99% of the wow players are retards.

[kcma]

17.8k and counting

its not that hard.
Take your basic economics with the fact 99% of the wow players are retards.

does that make about... 98.4% of WWN posters? :p or is my math a bit off :D

[det]

-.- man this is gonna suck for people in terms that play fairly ie gold buyers proly have there 5000g waiting on the BC release lol while they look badass we will have to farm for literally years to get one this sucks T_T lol :cry: but some people have there gold fairly to say but most people with top gears have bought gold before.

Wow...way to annoy me with the first post that I read today....

Got 3 lv 60, all with epic mounts and if there was the option to buy an epic flying mount right now, I could do it. And that means I buy gold?

Wrong...I play the game (ok...alot..100 days on all characters combined) and I play the AH. The money I make from normal quests, quest turn ins since we get gold instead of XP and selling services and products from characters with 6 different professions makes it quite feasible to accumulate some gold.

In fact I cannot understand how you can be lv 60 and NOT have enough gold to buy an epic mount ^^

:mad:

[kcma]

because wesje is pretty right on that 99% of wow players aren't that bright :p

[moopy]

-.- man this is gonna suck for people in terms that play fairly ie gold buyers proly have there 5000g waiting on the BC release lol while they look badass we will have to farm for literally years to get one this sucks T_T lol :cry: but some people have there gold fairly to say but most people with top gears have bought gold before.

Please use some punctuation, stream of conciousness babble is very hard to decode.

The "top gears" (as you put it) are all Bind On Pickup, and thus cannot be bought, they must be looted. A lot of hardcore raiders teeter on the brink of not being able to afford to fix their gear due to the cost of repairs and those expensive enchants, far from swimming in seas of bought gold, they're often less well-off than grind-happy casuals.

However, most players who have spent any time at 60 have raised the money for an epic mount and all the bits they need. If you make the time and understand the game at all well, it's not hard, especially if you grasp a little about market economics too. A combination of loot runs, gathering skills and speculative trading will give great results without taking much of your time. Only the very time-poor or braindead can't make the money (and some of us don't mind taking the former on loot runs, the latter are everywhere, sadly).

All of my 60s have epic mounts, and I am sure I will find plenty of money-making possibilities in TBC. Hell, with the broken nature of PvP rewards, I and some of my guildies have multiple epic mounts, just so that we can PvP without our mailboxes filling up with tokens.

[kcma]

99% moopy, 99% :p

[moopy]

kcma,

Bish to horsey three, dude :)