Humans...Predictable!!!

[Harsgalt]

I'm finding human beings terribly boring they're so predictable. I wish I was like Raiden from Mortal Kombat when he says "humans are so unpredictable" but I feel its the opposite. To further explain here is a story-

Backround
I'm clearing some mobs to get to a mining node. These mobs are 20 lvls lower than me but i need to raise my mining skills. While i'm on the last mob of clearing someone comes up to the node and starts mining it. This person wouldnt have been capable of clearing the mobs in the first place so I decide to mine it.

Now this person i'll call Lara, I'll be Harsgalt and my guildmate will be "G-mate"
Parenthesis will represent my thoughts

Harsgalt:(Hmm I bet she'll call me a node stealer)

Lara:You stole my node you bastard!

Harsgalt:(Hmm I better not respond its a waste of time...but I bet she'll just
complain to a guild mate)

G-Mate to Harsgalt: Someone named Lara is complaining to me about you stealing a mining node?

Harsgalt: Dont worry G-mate its just a big misunderstanding, once I explain the person will defend herself as correct and be rightoustly indignant. Then i'll further explain, she'll agree with me and she'll apologize its a waste of time...

G-Mate: ...

Harsgalt: Fine i'll talk to her but only because I dont want her to bother you...personally I dont care about the opinions of idiots...

G-Mate: ...

(Now I know i'm not the most diplomatic guy here, but I feel like taking advantage of people so they are nice to me is just that...taking advantage of them, so rather than wasting my time making them into my puppets I just say things bluntly which can be somewhat offensive)

Harsgalt to Lara: (Explains the situation)

Lara to Harsgalt: I dont care, the way you brushed me off was very rude and wrong of you. I want an apology!

Harsgalt to Lara: Your just being rightously indignant, deep down inside you know i'm right dont you?

Lara to Harsgalt: Yes...i'm sorry

Harsgalt to Lara: its okay now, lets try to get along from now on and be the bestest of friends! =)

Lara to Harsgalt: Yes , sorry thank you very much

Harsgalt to G-Mate: (Explains what happend) I told you

G-Mate: Hahahaha

Harsgalt: (What a damn waste of time...human beings are frustratingly predictable...)
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This seems to happen nearly everyday with everyone... I noticed that I can manipulate hot chicks, and almost everyone this way. It doesnt seem to work on people who are focused on being 100% right themselves so they claim to know what i'm thinking and do it all wrong (Physically aggressive self rightous types like my dad...they dont get it). Its exactly like what I do except they just get it wrong and give people like me a bad name.

Thus i've been at an impass what to do...If I dont act in response to other's predictions I look like a fool...I find it annoying to be thought of as such by someone so obvious. Yet if I take advantage of these people it does not fit with me morally. I also used to be quite good at manipulating people into doing physcal/saying things I want them to but once again morally objective against it and its just plain freaky.

I must not be the only one on this planet, somebody please acknowledge their existence as a sentient human being. This matrix world is so bland...:undecided:

[MixedVariety]

You have a lot to learn. And too bad if you're bored, I'd say you're stuck with the species.

[Ju Smurph]

Read a book, listen to music visit an art gallery.

Mr MV is correct to note, you have a lot to learn. First and foremost that everyone you meet, even the 'dumbest. most boring person'* has something they can teach you.

Your short sightedness will only weaken you. There is nothing boring about people, they are all their own little enigma. I'm shocked that you can refer to people as boring... Maybe one day you will ascend to some sort of thinking outside of yourself... i will see you when you get there... :laugh:


* from your perspective

[Harsgalt]

Most boring person can teach me something? Sure but not likely alot more than a bunch of other similar boring people...I mean they might come up with something new and boring too who knows...I'm not debating about whether I can learn from them as I am expressing a frustration with the repetetiveness.

They arent always boring...No it can be fun to manipulate an attractive girl, but I resist that temptation as I dont see what good will result from it.

I dont think Mixedvariety likes me much...Well I guess to strengthen your argument, i'm stuck with you on this forum :tongue:

But what did I expect? I exactly expected this kind of response... I'm hoping there is someone that sees this pattern as I do. Someone that I can relate to on a level that i've yet been unable to find. To know that i'm not alone.

I'm not looking for people who disagree...but agree. So please dont respond if you disagree... i'll be suprised if someone agrees and isnt a joke, thats what i'm looking for. I'm 70% sure that this forum post will be ignored after that and it will sink down somewhere to the back... Prove me wrong I want to be wrong :grin:

[Ju Smurph]

I'm not looking for people who disagree...but agree. So please dont respond if you disagree... i'll be suprised if someone agrees and isnt a joke, thats what i'm looking for. I'm 70% sure that this forum post will be ignored after that and it will sink down somewhere to the back... Prove me wrong I want to be wrong :grin:


You want people to validate your opinion that you have the human all figured out and you are so high and mighty? Mate, you have not even figured yourself out let alone got a start on anyone else.

Sorry... you want believe me. Because your not open to criticism and think things through critically... you will never find the truth, just some whacked distortion of something else. Like shoving a puzzle piece into a whole that doesn't relally fit.

[Ardani]

Humans aren't predictable, social convention is.

I am pretty good at manipulating strangers as well. I'd like to consider myself above that behaviour these days, but I've done it when I was younger. Six different people would come away with six different impressions of who I was because, after a short while of talking to them, I was able to figure out who they'd like me to be and modify my responses to leave them with the impression that I was that person, if I wanted them to be as favourably inclined to me as possible. I could more or less plan a conversation in my head from start to finish, because I knew what to say to elicit the responses that would take the conversation where I wanted it go.

Thing is, this only works on people you're relating to on a pretty superficial level, because we all have built-in preconceptions that we project onto strangers within seconds of meeting them. For some of us, it's not difficult to figure out which set of preconceptions have been projected onto you and adjust your behaviour accordingly, if that makes sense. I believe that's all you're experiencing, only you're mistaking it for some deep and meaningful insight into the inner workings of the entire human race.

It doesn't last, though. Once you actually start to get to know someone, you see how complex a person they are. Once they start to get to know you, they'll see right through what you're doing. You may eventually get to know one or two people well enough that you can predict what they're going to say or do, some of the time, because you know the way that their mind works in all its complexities so well -- but those moments will still be rarer than all the surprises that those people will bring you.

I agree with MixedVariety, basically. You have a lot to learn.

[kcma]

come on now ardani :p he has triple digit IQ and nothing to learn for predictable lil beings :p i've never seen a smarter and more confident 8 year old!! :)

[Harsgalt]

kcma, bug off your just trolling me. I made you a fool once and I guess you been after me ever since?

Ju Smurph I knew someone was gonna say that, not interested I can predict the end of it. ( I feel like a broken record ). Smurph I dont want anyone to validate my opinion, I dont really care. Your missing the point.

Ardani I appreciate you actually having a reasonable post and having some understanding of what i'm talking about.

In my situation i'm not only refering to the superficial level... I'm actually finding myself with different personalities which all hold true and contrast vastly with each other. I know alot of people on personal levels, i'm often a person people confide in with their "deepest secret that they never told anyone". What you said was a bit off...
You seem to think that I dont know people very well on a personal level at all.

I expected that this thread would only lead to my disapointment...

[kcma]

Hehe, u made a fool out of me? please i can do that all by myself without your help :D

la la la la la

HYPOCRAT /run and giggle hehehehe

[MaliceDR]

Humanity is indeed very unpredictable. For every instance in which you find your formula works without a hitch, I bet there are nearly countless times it would go wrong.

[kcma]

except kcma... you can read kcma like the news paper :p

[ambushingAnA]

hehe and kcma takes the win *pounces on him*

[Foonyak]

I agree with Harsgalt 100%. Most people, even after years of getting to know me, are still very easy to manipulate into doing what I want them to do. They know me very well, and know that I can get them to do something that they don't want to do, and still for some reason associate with me on a daily basis. I'm very bored with this virus we call mankind, and I wish we'd all just turn over and die sometimes.

Harsgalt, listen to me for a moment. There is only one thing for you to do, and you will probably not like it. You have to let go of all of you moral hang-ups. The more you allow yourself to hold you back, the longer it will be until you do learn the truth about life. Manipulate your way into a marriage with a wealthy attractive woman, and enjoy the fruits of her family's labor.

[Ardani]

Ardani I appreciate you actually having a reasonable post and having some understanding of what i'm talking about.

In my situation i'm not only refering to the superficial level... I'm actually finding myself with different personalities which all hold true and contrast vastly with each other. I know alot of people on personal levels, i'm often a person people confide in with their "deepest secret that they never told anyone". What you said was a bit off...
You seem to think that I dont know people very well on a personal level at all.

That's because of the way your initial post is structured. You find it easy to manipulate 'hot chicks', for instance? Not a way that one generally refers to their best friends, at least not without getting slapped in return.

If you find that these different personalities, as you refer to them, are holding true in all areas of your life and all of your relationships, and if you really are affected by the feeling that you are the only person or only real person in this world, as you put it in your original post, then let me put it bluntly: I think that you need to be talking to a psychiatrist. I don't mean that offensively, but you are obviously not that happy with the status quo, and a thread on a World of Warcraft forum is unlikely to provide you with the answers you want. I suspect a psychiatrist would at least be able to tell you why you're feeling this way.

Of course, considering the predictability of humans, I wager you'll think there's nothing wrong with your outlook and neglect to take that advice. :wink: But I don't see anything left to do in this thread but give it. You aren't going to find any kindred spirits here -- which is probably a good thing.

[Tobesofhades]

Ardani said it all, beautifully.

Harsgalt:

One should expect some antagonistic response from such a high & mighty appearance by your original posting, even though that was most certainly not your intent. You have an honest question and you're searching for some kind of answer. “What do I do?” The problem with that question is that it’s for no one to decide but you. Certainly you are aware of that, so helpful insight is probably the ‘grail’ of your quest.

You’ve stated that you can ‘manipulate’ others and act according to their expectations so that you don’t appear foolish.

Now, I can take exactly what you said, dissect it, analyze it and respond the following: “You're a good observer and probably an excellent problem solver. You can see a situation, detach yourself emotionally, analyze it come to a logical solution based on the factors (human emotions, ) involved and move on. That's pretty cool. I hope that you will decide to use your powers for good. ‘With great power comes great responsibility.’”

There is much truth in what I said above, but do you see what I’ve done? By reading your original post, I could tell that at this moment the chink in your armor is your pride. You can manipulate others to do what you want, but you also do what others want so that you don’t look like a fool. Do you see it? Right there? I've responded to you, giving you a response that would make us "buds." But it's not honest, nor is it fruitful. It's deception, because even though what I said was true - it's not reflecting entire how I feel about the subject and doesn't profit you one bit, except as a ego boost.

That’s the answer man. You're not experiencing some supernatural power. Sorry to be the buzz kill. Most people can do the same thing and different life experiences have helped them to be able to do so.

Because just as you said you can get others to do what you want, you have a button that others can press to make you do what they want. They are probably thinking, “he’s easy to manipulate. All I have to do is make him think he’s being a fool if he does anything but what I want him to do.”

Pride, man. Beware the pride. I’m not scolding or “calling you out.” Unfortunately, forum text neuters inflection and tone. Please accept this post as one that is really trying to understand your concern, learn more about it and maybe help out in process.

As I said most people can do this, it’s called empathy. Some people opt to ignore others feelings and put themselves, their needs or desires first. Those that do it all of the time - we usually refer to as “self-centered @$$holes.” Others learn as they progress through life (what we call wisdom) that regardless of how they may feel inside, society NEEDS to have convention, courtesy, simple communications (even I’m sorry) and so forth in order for us to keep from killing each other.

There must always be compromises. If someone concededs it doesn't mean that they are weak. Most-likely that particular subject just doesn't mean as much to them as it does to you. It doesn't mean that you have a supernatural power over them. Then there are those whose mind you cannot change - does that mean that they are jerks? No, it means that you've involved them in a subject that they have some strong feelings toward and they will not bend. It hardly means that they are resistant to your super-powers nor does it mean that they fit into the category of self-centered @$$holes. You've just encountered a topic that they feel passionately about. Then you get married and you learn that she’s right even when she’s not. j/k : )

I really don't think that you're going to find much of an answer here, as even the question is quite elusive. There's what I can offer you.

Another fun thing you may want to try, and I know it sounds kind of silly, but give it a shot. Try taking the Myers-Briggs test. Don't dwell on the results. The results fo the test will change throughout your entire life, because you will change, adapting to your environments as they change. Some people take tests and box themselves in to a personality type instead of living life and being honest with themselves. Just try it out, you may get some insight that will be helpful.

[Stigg]

Yes, some people are incredibly easy to manipulate. I have been doing it as long as I can remember. That being said...you are being manipulated as well. Regardless of what you may or may not believe, unless you are sitting in a basement behind a locked door (and even then you may be...) you are being manipulated. I didn't believe it until some huge crap blew my way and knocked me off my feet. Anybody can manipulate other people. But to say humanity is predictable? Simply not true. Morality is predictable. Who has morals is not so predictable, and furthermore, how far those morals go is not predictable.

Now then, if that Lara was me, I wouldn't have complained to a Gmate....so your first presumption would have been wrong. Secondly, when you explained the situation, I would have laughed at you and said you could haveeasily walked by these mobs that were 20 levels lower than you. Therefore your second presumption is wrong. Thirdly I would nver have had any more than a 10 second conversation with you before I ran off....making this entire thing a coincidence that it just so happened this person was predictable.

[kcma]

wow you guys are actually trying to have something that resemble a sensible conversation with the dood here haha :D

[Stigg]

I expected that this thread would only lead to my disapointment...

If you predicted that then why did you post it in the first place? :grin:

BTW - whats the lotto number for tonight?

[Foonyak]

BTW - whats the lotto number for tonight?

Now Stigg, that's not fair. Asking for the lottery numbers is beyond his level of expertise. He said Humans...Predictable!!!, not "I can make you millions."

[Harsgalt]

I'm not going by a systematical formula, that would make it impossible to predict people.

I wasnt trying to appear high and mighty, it was more of cry for help to see if anyone else sees things the way I do. I expected (Make it stop) that people would see my post as a "high and mighty I know everything" kinda crap. Thats why I found the responses obvious. In anycase its exactly the opposite of being high and mighty. If you didnt see this immediately then I cannot expect any further level of response.

Ardani, of course I wouldnt go up to a person and call them a hot chick etc, i'm just speaking my inner thoughts on an anonymous forum. Yeah I did figure somebody would just call me crazy.

I've always noticed i'm a little different in the way I think than others. I was recommended to enter college in the 6th grade by the school board. As a child in elementary school I felt out of place as the other children seemed rather stupid. I was uninterested in class and this in turn looked like the stupid one to them. I believe many of the people that respond to my posts with harsh comments or think i'm being pretentious are in this "category".

I did visit a psychologist as a child...he thought I was an evil master mind who manipulated everyone around me like toys. Thus he spent hours trying to capture me in my web of lies. In truth I was just alone and confused, since I wasnt trying to manipulate anyone. Thus through this psychologist I learned how to analyze people in reverse by being the target. Thats around the time I really did start to manipulate people and experiment. After awhile it scared me how it worked almost 100% of the time. In anycase I stopped this but I noticed some parts of it stuck with me and I almost every social interaction is a hint on how to manipulate. This frustrated me that I couldnt outwit myself conciously. However I suppose that this would be nearly impossible... It is difficult to convince oneself to look at his hand and logically convince him that it isnt his hand. To do so would be equivilant to insanity...Although I expect this is how I must appear to some.

The only people I couldnt predict well, were genius types that thought in extract patterns. Thought sequences that followed a path of logic different from the norm. These people I found were usually left handed on an interesting note. I was seeking a person of this type amongst you that just happend to stumble upon what i'm talking about.

In anycase that is the specific person I was looking for. Someone mentioned i'm "looking for a common type of person just to validate my way of thinking". In part this is true. Yet this is not to limit my way of thought and to just raise self importance. No this is completely wrong as I am not concerned with such ridiculous things. Not in physical life, thus infinitely less so in cyber space.

More than likely i've just wasted my time, and made certain people in a certain category feel better about themselves which doesnt interest me. I take responsibility for this upon myself as I should have known better. Yet can you blame me for letting emotion and desire to overcome the boundries of logic for a mere thread?

I was Hoping the minimal response would be something to Ardani's. If you are not the one that I have spoken of please let this thread sink into the back pages and die.

[kcma]

you werent trying to be high and mighty, you just are :D

this reminds me of the highschool seniors looking at the freshmans... wow... double digit IQ noobs... so predictable... it's true ;) maybe you should start having smarter peers :D

[Stigg]

Your sentences are hard to understand....quite a few word combinations don't really match up.

I think you are mixing up reality with your own twisted view on life.

When you are young, it is extremely easy to influence older people (Seeing as how you are....welll....young) and other people around yor age(becuase...well.....they are young...) Being an influential person is extremely easy, as is being somebody considered a "leader".

You claim to not be able to predict genious' as they follow "extract" patterns. I don't really know of any people with extract patterns....maybe cyborgs that I could extract their memory cards on a drive....

[Harsgalt]

Sorry I meant abstract. I had a college level of vocabulary in middle school but my spelling has oddly become progressionally worse. I believe i'm somewhat dyslexic and learned my vocabulary by memorization and its got the point where i'm mixing the rules of spelling in terms of complex and simple vocabulary. English is such a terribly poor language. For example Oregan Trail 's Dysentery: Dysentry, disentry, discentry, discentre, discentry, dysentery, disentery, discentery. So many word combinations for every single ...word its hard to memorize them all.

Please tell me which word combinations you didnt understand, I would prefer it in private whispers, i'll explain everything to the best of my abilities.

Who said I hang around people my age? I'm 21 but I generally people 30+
I prefer old philosophy teachers and teachers of religion more than anything.
I have no idea where you guys are getting so misinformed. Its like your making presumptions of me out of thin air and they're just ... wrong... Now dont call me "high and mighty" "conceded" because of that. If I was to agree with you on that then i'd be agreeing that i'm just a made up person. It comes to a point where I gotta defend my existence. :tongue:

Oh btw the title of this thread does seem "high and mighty!!!" "humans...predictable!!!" I did that on purpose so that people would look at it and to highten my success % that i'd find what I was looking for. It worked quite well as I can see but the end result is a failure as my goal has not been met.

See how its designed? I put in "humans" to make myself sound like i'm not one the ... like I come off as one who considers himself deep in thought "predictable".. well the point is that its focus is to gain attraction but because it looks exceedingly arrogant. I dont know why i'm bothering explaining this, I suppose i've let this side game go too far and its become bothersome. Doesnt seem like anyone really respects my wish to let this thread die.

Oh well...

[kcma]

i'm now completely speechless and wowed by your brilliance...

truely humbled...

[Stigg]

Sorry I meant abstract. I had a college level of vocabulary in middle school but my spelling has oddly become progressionally worse. I believe i'm somewhat dyslexic and learned my vocabulary by memorization and its got the point where i'm mixing the rules of spelling in terms of complex and simple vocabulary. English is such a terribly poor language. For example Oregan Trail 's Dysentery: Dysentry, disentry, discentry, discentre, discentry, dysentery, disentery, discentery. So many word combinations for every single ...word its hard to memorize them all.

Please tell me which word combinations you didnt understand, I would prefer it in private whispers, i'll explain everything to the best of my abilities.

Who said I hang around people my age? I'm 21 but I generally people 30+
I prefer old philosophy teachers and teachers of religion more than anything.
I have no idea where you guys are getting so misinformed. Its like your making presumptions of me out of thin air and they're just ... wrong... Now dont call me "high and mighty" "conceded" because of that. If I was to agree with you on that then i'd be agreeing that i'm just a made up person. It comes to a point where I gotta defend my existence. :tongue:

Oh btw the title of this thread does seem "high and mighty!!!" "humans...predictable!!!" I did that on purpose so that people would look at it and to highten my success % that i'd find what I was looking for. It worked quite well as I can see but the end result is a failure as my goal has not been met.

See how its designed? I put in "humans" to make myself sound like i'm not one the ... like I come off as one who considers himself deep in thought "predictable".. well the point is that its focus is to gain attraction but because it looks exceedingly arrogant. I dont know why i'm bothering explaining this, I suppose i've let this side game go too far and its become bothersome. Doesnt seem like anyone really respects my wish to let this thread die.

Oh well...

Haha, now that made my day.

I am done with this banter...as I fear a trolling warning coming my way. I now have my impressions of you, and that is all I need to predict our future.

[Ardani]

I've always noticed i'm a little different in the way I think than others. I was recommended to enter college in the 6th grade by the school board. As a child in elementary school I felt out of place as the other children seemed rather stupid. I was uninterested in class and this in turn looked like the stupid one to them. I believe many of the people that respond to my posts with harsh comments or think i'm being pretentious are in this "category".

This is an experience I can sympathise with. I was pulled out of school at the age of seven and given aptitude tests which revealed that I was seven years ahead of my age in English and a minimum of four years ahead of my age in all other subjects except maths. I was a year behind the level children my age were supposed to be at in maths. That was the first clue that led to the discovery of a neurological condition, synaesthesia (which is often associated with diminished mathematical ability), and to possibly undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome (which is often associated with synaesthesia). I know perfectly well that some people do think differently. It doesn't make you crazy. If it's affecting your ability to relate to others or to enjoy relating to others, however, it is something to be looked at and addressed. That's your call. I just figure you wouldn't be posting here if you were fine with it.

Anyway, it probably is time to let this thread die. I just wanted to close it -- my participation in it, at least -- with a non-flaming response.

[kcma]

Ardani: interesting case :) but i highly doubt that's the case with OP... it's more like a teenage delusion of grandeur that many ppl go through :D

[Amurko]

Watch Babel..

Great movie.. seems to remind me of the phenomenon you just described.