Are you a Ninja? Find out inside... :)

[MartinNrFive]

-- Is there a risk that others think you're a ninja?

-- Perhaps you've just learned of a ninja on your server?

-- Are you a guild leader that need to make sure that you don't recruit ninja's without knowing?

There are many reasons to try and keep track of ninjas - above all because they ruin the game for everyone else.

Having myself recruited a couple of ninjas without knowing back when I ran a guild I decided to put together a small site meant as a sort of ninja tracking center.

The site didn't work out at the time but now I've rewritten it to make it more stable and less prone to abuse.

Please note that this site is in no way endorsed by neither Blizzard nor WorldOfWar.net - I wrote it in my spare time as an aid to try and keep track of ninjas.

Please head on over and submit yourself, your friends or other players - either as ninjas or not. All I ask is that you be as fair as possible.

The site is located here: Link Nuked. We don't like it when our boards are used to advertise other sites. Tends to make us Mods surly. If, you think it the greatest invention since sliced bread, then submit it to our Admins and let them make the call as to whether or not it's newsworthy. They make the rules, and I enforce them. Signed, Valas..

Thanks.

[Stigg]

Thats why you ASK about them if you are in a respectable guild... OR ML for raids.

[MartinNrFive]

I wish that would work all the time but that's not always the case. :undecided:

As for ML in raids, there are numerous times where you either can't use ML or don't want to - plenty of people still play PUG's for instance.

I know there's a risk for this site to be abused but as long as there are enough people that take the site seriously and actually vote for their guild members and themselves I'm hoping that the WoW community can make the site work.

Time will tell though.

[JaedxRapture]

Problems:
It doesn't organize by game server.
Anyone can be reported as a ninja then be voted on.

[Stigg]

ea...the best way to manage this is to post on the OFFICIAL forums WITH screenshots of the incident. I don't see this working...at all.

[MartinNrFive]

Yes, anyone can be added as a ninja - there's no other way of doing it. The community will then have to cast a fair vote on that player in order to decide if he/she actually is a ninja.

I don't see how organizing by game server will be useful. The top ten lists are for the top ten ninjas/saints in the database.

Or did you mean the search? That can be made to sort by game server but you can also search for a particualr server in the advanced search so there's little need to sort by server.

[Magikhat]

Problems:
It doesn't organize by game server.
Anyone can be reported as a ninja then be voted on.

quoted for truth. Put me on the list because Ive ninjad sh8t when I felt like it and said "yoink" afterwards to piss people off.

[Stigg]

I'm half tempted to make myself a ninja for all my characters. Jaedx, will ya vote for me :P

quoted for truth. Put me on the list because Ive ninjad sh8t when I felt like it and said "yoink" afterwards to piss people off.

Im glad to see you started using quoted for truth rather than QFT :P

And to the OP - the site doesn't like promoting yourself. Your link is going to get deleted and you will have to request to post this by a forum mod/rush.

Or pay them some money to make it an ad so I dont have to stare at these cute girls all day long

[Magikhat]

Well some people dont know what QFT is

[MartinNrFive]

ea...the best way to manage this is to post on the OFFICIAL forums WITH screenshots of the incident. I don't see this working...at all.

Well, IMHO the scenario you just described is the one least likely to work.

First of all, IIRC it's against the official forum rules to accuse anyone of being a ninja.

Second - how are you going to keep track of all the incidents over at a forum as large and busy as the official one?

Third - you can post a link to a screenshot in the comments of a player you vote as a ninja in order to support your claim.

Fourth - in the thread in the forum you might just get one vote (the player starting the thread) as it's more cumbersome to 'vote' for a player there than it is on Ninja or Not? If you do get a lot of votes for a player, how do you keep track of the final tally?

Fifth - how is voting in the official forum more fair than voting on a dedicated site?

Believe me - I've considered the options. :)

[Stigg]

Well, IMHO the scenario you just described is the one least likely to work.

First of all, IIRC it's against the official forum rules to accuse anyone of being a ninja.

Second - how are you going to keep track of all the incidents over at a forum as large and busy as the official one?

Third - you can post a link to a screenshot in the comments of a player you vote as a ninja in order to support your claim.

Fourth - in the thread in the forum you might just get one vote (the player starting the thread) as it's more cumbersome to 'vote' for a player there than it is on Ninja or Not? If you do get a lot of votes for a player, how do you keep track of the final tally?

Fifth - how is voting in the official forum more fair than voting on a dedicated site?

Believe me - I've considered the options. :)


Number 1: Nobody is going to go to your site to look up if somebody is a ninja or not

Number 2: Dedicated guildmasters (or people in the guild) look over the official forums con frequencia to see new about different guild's progeress and the such. They WILL see it there

Number 3: it is not against the rules to call somebody as ninja as Blizzard doe snot even recognize the word as something bad. It is not aginst the rules to Ninja.

Number 4: Your site will be more unreliable than anything. WIthout screenshots it didnt happen. EVER.

Number 5: Read my latest post.

[MartinNrFive]

And to the OP - the site doesn't like promoting yourself. Your link is going to get deleted and you will have to request to post this by a forum mod/rush.

Or pay them some money to make it an ad so I dont have to stare at these cute girls all day long

Well, I tried to read the rules of this forum but they're 404 so if a mod have a problem with this thread I hope they A) contact me to tell me about it and B) fix the link to the rules.

I'd understand that they have a problem with competetive sites but seeing how I have no ads or require neither fees nor donations I don't see how it breaks their rules.

Then again - it's their site so they can make the rules the way they want it.

[Magikhat]

I think you should make a website of those people who arent ninjas or who dont wipe PUGS because they forget to dismiss their pet before jumping down off the ledge. You would have much less work.

[Stigg]

I think you should make a website of those people who arent ninjas or who dont wipe PUGS because they forget to dismiss their pet before jumping down off the ledge. You would have much less work.

I like this idea much more than what the OP suggested. Maybe a "WHose the biggest idiot on any server" and then a background story.

OP take note, THAT would make a good site.

Well, I tried to read the rules of this forum but they're 404 so if a mod have a problem with this thread I hope they A) contact me to tell me about it and B) fix the link to the rules.

I'd understand that they have a problem with competetive sites but seeing how I have no ads or require neither fees nor donations I don't see how it breaks their rules.

Then again - it's their site so they can make the rules the way they want it.


Read the little black line on the top of everypage in the forums. No need to even look at the rules when its written rigth there :P

[MartinNrFive]

Number 1: Nobody is going to go to your site to look up if somebody is a ninja or not

Number 2: Dedicated guildmasters (or people in the guild) look over the official forums con frequencia to see new about different guild's progeress and the such. They WILL see it there

Number 3: it is not against the rules to call somebody as ninja as Blizzard doe snot even recognize the word as something bad. It is not aginst the rules to Ninja.

Number 4: Your site will be more unreliable than anything. WIthout screenshots it didnt happen. EVER.

Number 5: Read my latest post.

1. Why not? There are a number of sites out there that nobody knew of before they were launched that grew to be useful resources.

2. How do you know? There are thousands of guilds out there that don't read the forums "con frequencia".

3. Sorry - it's against the rules to accuse anyone of stealing then. And the fact that it isn't against Blizzards rules to ninja doesn't make it any more acceptable.

4. Eh, I just mentioned that you can post screenshots over at my site as well.

5. Your latest post told me that the link in this thread will be removed - I fail to see how that addresses my question.

As for your and Magichats posts about adding yourself as ninjas or being accused as ninjas just becaused you (Magikhat) ninjad "shi8t" for the fun of it - that's up to you.

In your case it might not make any difference as all as you're in a big, stable guild where everyone knows you and what type of players you are. Then this site is clearly not for you.

[Magikhat]

"Hay guys, anyone see my pet?"

[Stigg]

Aww boo...I had written out a huge thing, but when the site went down I lost it. Oh well. I've spent enough time on this :P

[MartinNrFive]

Read the little black line on the top of everypage in the forums. No need to even look at the rules when its written rigth there :P

The only information I find that's remotely related to my OP is "Please do not post links or information about hacking/warez/cheats/item or gold farming or adverts."

My site is none of the above. I'd understand that you could make it out to be an advert if I in turn had any ads on my site but I don't.

@Magikhat: My site adresses non-ninjas as much as it addresses ninjas. Have you looked at it? You can vote yourself as a non-ninja.

And I think that a site like "Idiot or not?" for WoW players would be even more work than "Ninja or not?" ;)

Aww boo...I had written out a huge thing, but when the site went down I lost it. Oh well. I've spent enough time on this :P

Well, personally I always Ctrl-A then Ctrl-C before clicking submit - I've had essays thrown into null and void due to wonky forums. :banghead:

In all honesty though - I still don't see how a site dedicated to promoting players who behave and exposing those who don't behave is a bad thing. The only way this site becomes a problem is if people don't take it seriously.

Which, to be fair, is just what you are doing. I would understand your point if you gave it a try and it didn't work out but by dismissing it out of hand you are actually contributing to making the site fail.

What harm is there in spreading the word in order to make sure that enough people see the site? That's the only way to guarantee that it's accurate.

But hey, what do I know - you might be the biggest ninja in town. ;)

Btw, you didn't really accomplish much by adding a number of bogus players over at the site. All you did was abusing a system I openly admit can be abused. So why did you do it?

Just curious.

[Magikhat]

@Magikhat: My site adresses non-ninjas as much as it addresses ninjas. Have you looked at it? You can vote yourself as a non-ninja.



sorry no. I post from work and I dont click on links at work. Im sure your website is what it says to be but I dont take chances with my job.

[Stigg]

Btw, you didn't really accomplish much by adding a number of bogus players over at the site. All you did was abusing a system I openly admit can be abused. So why did you do it?

Just curious.

Because THAT is the err in the site. It can be abused, and when reputations are on the line, manipulative databases can cause much more harm than good. Imagine what would happen if MartinNrFive is apping to a guild and the guildmaster used your system to see if he was a ninja. One person witha bad experience with that player just ruined the app for a (possibly amazing) player. And what if Stigg app'ed to your guild? Checking that site would make it seem I was godly. Of course I would get in.

Manipulative databses when reputation is on the line is ftl.

[MartinNrFive]

sorry no. I post from work and I dont click on links at work. Im sure your website is what it says to be but I dont take chances with my job.

No problem - I understand that (I work as an IT-admin and see *a lot* of crap going through our firewall).

All I ask is that the site is judged fair and square. If the WoW community fail to make it work then so be it - just don't dismiss it out of hand. :)

[Mallstrop]

No one looks at sites like that sorry.

Just to prove my point, some one register my characters for me.

Halle - EU Earthen ring
Josaphine - EU Earthen ring
Mallstra - EU Earthen ring

Well, there's 3 of my level 60's and you wouldn't be wrong about them being Ninja's in many different senses of the word.

[Stigg]

No one looks at sites like that sorry.

Just to prove my point, some one register my characters for me.

Halle - EU Earthen ring
Josaphine - EU Earthen ring
Mallstra - EU Earthen ring

Well, there's 3 of my level 60's and you wouldn't be wrong about them being Ninja's in many different senses of the word.

I would...but hte OP just deleted my posts abouta well known ninja....so a biased site owner will probably just delete them anyway

[Valas Azuviir]

Link has been nuked, reason why is listed in the initial post.

[Tanitha]

Define Ninja. Once you have a definition that the majority of World of Warcraft community agrees on - THEN a site like this has the chance to be fair.

Otherwise, all it becomes is an online popularity contest with serious repercussions for the person who decided to NOT pass on an Epic because some obnoxious 12 year old told them to.

The potential for abuse is staggering. Sorry, but having looked at the site I don't want to be part of anything that labels people without having any proof of it.

[MartinNrFive]

Because THAT is the err in the site. It can be abused, and when reputations are on the line, manipulative databases can cause much more harm than good. Imagine what would happen if MartinNrFive is apping to a guild and the guildmaster used your system to see if he was a ninja. One person witha bad experience with that player just ruined the app for a (possibly amazing) player. And what if Stigg app'ed to your guild? Checking that site would make it seem I was godly. Of course I would get in.

Manipulative databses when reputation is on the line is ftl.

I have no idea what line of work you're in so let me just very briefly explain a Baysian spam filter for you (perhaps you program these, in that case skip the next couple of paragraphs ;).

A Bayesian spam filter works with probabilities. You tell it what a spam looks like and what a non-spam (ham) looks like. At first the filter isn't all that sure as it has one one mail of each type to look at it so it doesn't claim that incoming mail are either or. You still get all your mail straight into your inbox.

You keep pluggin away, showing the filter more spam and more ham and soon the filter has enough data to make reasonable guesses as to what type the incoming mail is. If more users (as for a company spam filter) classify e-mail as either ham or spam, the higher the accuracy.

At a certain point the filter migh be 96-98% accurate which is very good for a spam filter and you can be quite certain that only a few false positives (spam classed as ham) and false negatives (vice versa) ever happens.

The same works for NoN. If Stigg gets just one vote as a saint the probabability of that player being a saint is very low (as the rating indicates). The same goes for that great guy MartinNrFive - he only has one vote for ninja so you really can't say.

Now, if Stigg and Martin has 1725 votes with a ratio of 0.32:1 (saint) and 1.76:1 (ninja) respectively then it's quite certain that Stigg is indeed a great guy and Martin a bloody thief.

I point out over and over again that anyone looking at NoN needs to realise that this is just another tool helping them decide about a player. Just as checking the forums are.

So yes, if you take everything on NoN as gosple then you might just miss out on a great guy because som jerk decided to vote him ninja. Then again, a person who has that kind of blind faith on something that's on the Internet doesn't seem like a very good guild leader.

[Stigg]

So a player that ninjas Domo and rag on the same run and gets reported by one person won't remain onthe site as a ninja? Maybe you should program a bit different.

And as Tanitha has put it. What is a ninja anyway?

So yes, if you take everything on NoN as gosple then you might just miss out on a great guy because som jerk decided to vote him ninja. Then again, a person who has that kind of blind faith on something that's on the Internet doesn't seem like a very good guild leader.

So then what is the point of the site? haha, if we arent supposed to use it....for.....what is supposed to do, then, what is it for?

[MartinNrFive]

I would...but hte OP just deleted my posts abouta well known ninja....so a biased site owner will probably just delete them anyway

Where did I delete any of your posts?! Or do you mean the obviously bogus players over at the site and just can't tell the difference between posts and players?

@Mallstrop: Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say. I have no business adding your characters to the database just to badmouth you. A jerk might do that but I'm still hoping (against my better judgement) that the WoW community can manage this.

@Tanitha: I think that the majority of the WoW community has a common definiton of a ninja, and I explain what I think a ninja is in the "About" section. Now, please, define "proof" for me.

The fact that you can post a comment on the player, not only describing why you think he/she is a ninja but also include screenshots of the event, would be enough proof for me. And I have a hard time seeing how you can prove it any other way.

@Valas: Ok, it's your forum so I go by your rules but it'd be a lot easier to avoid this if the "Rules" link at the top of the page worked. Can you please ask a site admin to fix that?

[Stigg]

Define: Advert


Now your just getting all defensivof your site. I think you can tell that the general concesus of the WoW community is that it won't work...regardless of...well....just about anything. Once again, a faulty site when reputation is on the line is for the loss.

But hey, atleast by posting here you learned that it probably isn't worth venturing forth with it :thumbsup:

[MartinNrFive]

So a player that ninjas Domo and rag on the same run and gets reported by one person won't remain onthe site as a ninja? Maybe you should program a bit different.

And as Tanitha has put it. What is a ninja anyway?



So then what is the point of the site? haha, if we arent supposed to use it....for.....what is supposed to do, then, what is it for?

Now, I'm not sure if you're trolling or really don't read what I write but there's a big difference between "blindly believeng something on a site" and "taking info from a site into consideration". I never said you shouldn't use the site - I said you need to use it properly.

How much trustworthy is a post on the official forums calling someone a ninja?

As for one vote being pointless - you have to start somewhere. The rating value is there in order to tell you how realiable the information is. And if I didn't show all the players in the database people would try and add the same player over and over again.

As for the definition of a ninja - again, most of the WoW community have the same idea what a ninja is. If you disagree then go and add your vote to the database and be sure to mention in the comments why you disagree.

It's as easy as that. I mean, you took the time to register an account in order to post a number of bogus players - why not post proper players instead?

Define: Advert

Yeah, that would be nice as well.

Now your just getting all defensivof your site. I think you can tell that the general concesus of the WoW community is that it won't work...regardless of...well....just about anything. Once again, a faulty site when reputation is on the line is for the loss.

But hey, atleast by posting here you learned that it probably isn't worth venturing forth with it :thumbsup:

Why wouldn't I defend a site I think has a real chance of being very useful?

And no, I'm sure you have high thoughts of yourself but a couple of posts (most from you) telling me that it won't work isn't "the general concesus [SIC] of the WoW community".

But thanks for your replies anyhow. :thumbsup:

[Stigg]

/sigh...

Once again, if this wonderful community has shown you anything....its that your site will not be a useful contribution. But as V.A. said, go ahead and promote it elsewhere or talk with Elly/Rushster to see if they will back you.

I am officially done with this thread.

[Valas Azuviir]

@Valas: Ok, it's your forum so I go by your rules but it'd be a lot easier to avoid this if the "Rules" link at the top of the page worked. Can you please ask a site admin to fix that?

Technically, it's Aerath's forum, but he allows me to play here.. :grin:
As for your request, has already been done. No idea, when the Bossman can get to it, he's a busy chap.

[MartinNrFive]

/sigh...

Once again, if this wonderful community has shown you anything....its that your site will not be a useful contribution. But as V.A. said, go ahead and promote it elsewhere or talk with Elly/Rushster to see if they will back you.

I am officially done with this thread.

What I find very amusing and ironic is that you yourself are the only one so far that has abused and derided the site and in doing so defined the very community you seem to think so little of.

I know I'm out on a limb here - the WoW community isn't on the recieving end of a number of "nothing but jerks" jokes for nothing - but I still think that if enough people start using the site it will work.

Just look at the comments on Thott - the majority of them are pure crap put out of every 15 or so you find useful information. If enough people can be bothered to use the site instead of abusing it then it will work.

Too bad that you choose to abuse it just because you could.

And believe it or not, despite the fact that you probably skimmed most of my posts I enjoyed our conversation. Don't forget to check NoN from time to time to see if you're a ninja or not. ;)

:wave:

[MartinNrFive]

Technically, it's Aerath's forum, but he allows me to play here.. :grin:
As for your request, has already been done. No idea, when the Bossman can get to it, he's a busy chap.

"Your" as in WorldOfWar.net. ;)

As for the link; I don't need it but others might need to check it out (see Stigg - this is what it's all about, helping eachother, not putting others down ;).

[Tanitha]

Here's where I'm going to have to disagree:


A "ninja" in almost any MMO game is a player who grabs equipment - and in the process binds it to their character - before the rightful owner of the equipment has a chance to pick it up.
"Did you just ninja my epic?!?" = "Did you just pick up that incredibly powerful item that I have spent ages playing trying to get and that is rightfully mine?!?"
These are players you do not want on your team or in your party. I wanted an easy way to keep track of ninjas as we had quite a few of them in my old guild without knowing until we either found out the hard way ("Did you just ninja my epic?!?") or were told by others.

Who is to say what equipment belongs to who? Sure, in a raid group you will. But in a PUG? Are Paladins allowed to roll on plate over a warrior, if they are protection specced? What are hunters allowed to need? Can a Paladin need a +healing cloth if he is Healing specced? Who gets the +shadow damage - the Warlock or the Shadow Priest?

Now what happens if someone is upset with the choice made there - the person who lost out. What happens if they happen to have more friends than the person who fairly rolled need on something they could use? Do yourself a favour and search for the word Ninja using the Advanced Search on this website.

From that search - read this thread (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=379379&highlight=ninja), this thread (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showpost.php?p=3844097), the amusing highlights in this thread (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=383412&highlight=ninja) and lastly loot priorities by class in this thread (http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=383699&highlight=ninja).

I've highlighted some of the more sane discussions on the topic for you over the last month or two. And if a small subset of the community such as those that frequent this forum cannot agree on what constitutes ninja-ing - how could you hope to get some global definition that will ensure fairness to everyone?

While I can understand the idea behind the site and think that were it to be used honorably it could be a useful resource in the decision making process - it will be subject to playground style abuse. Just a fair warning.

[Stigg]

"Your" as in WorldOfWar.net. ;)

As for the link; I don't need it but others might need to check it out (see Stigg - this is what it's all about, helping eachother, not putting others down ;).

Personal reference....and Im back.

Evidently you DO need to see it....as you broke two rules throughout this post. And trust me, I help out a ton of people on this forum, and I'm helping you too :P
I put people down that rbeakteh rules of this forum....and that is it.

Edit: I also put down kcma...but he IS a ninja, so its cool. and he dies a lot.

[Magikhat]

As a hunter, all loot is mines. I needs it, I wants it and im going to gets it. yes, this goes for even plate. There might be a time when blizzard lets me spec plate mail and then when i dooz it, i will halves it to be mines in my pockets. Thereforez If I seez it and I likes it...I rollz on it and i makes it mines in my pockets.

[Stigg]

As a hunter, all loot is mines. I needs it, I wants it and im going to gets it. yes, this goes for even plate. There might be a time when blizzard lets me spec plate mail and then when i dooz it, i will halves it to be mines in my pockets. Thereforez If I seez it and I likes it...I rollz on it and i makes it mines in my pockets.

Best post in this thread. By FAR! :thumbsup:

[MartinNrFive]

While I can understand the idea behind the site and think that were it to be used honorably it could be a useful resource in the decision making process - it will be subject to playground style abuse. Just a fair warning.

Thanks for the links, I really appreciate the reply.

I still have to reiterate that if enough people agree on someone being a ninja, then he or she is. Lets say that you get added to the site as a ninja. You think it's completely unfair so you vote yourself as a saint.

You can even tell your entire guild to vote you as a saint and depending on what they think of you and how seriously they take the site they hopefully will. Hey presto, you're not a ninja anymore.

Abuse? Perhaps, if your guild voted just because you told them without asking what you did.

Another scenario has you adding a player you PUG'ed with as a ninja as he nicked the epic before you could just because you rolled even (no matter why he did it, you think he's a ninja). You add him as a ninja and can again ask your entire guild to vote him a ninja.

They can choose to believe you and vote him a ninja or not believe you and not vote at all. The player in question might even vote himself a saint but that doesn't matter as enough people (you and your guild) has voted him a ninja.

If you then explain in a comment *why* you think he's a ninja others can take that into consideration when judging the player.

Sure, initially there'll be a lot of false positives and vice versa but - again - if enough people take the site seriously these will even out.

[Stigg]

EDIT:

/sigh. Alright I call a truce...as you are really not taking any hints...

In 1 month I will go to your site and see it flourishing with the names of every ninja across the wow world.

Then I will see ifmy name is up there. Yes. I volunteer myself as a ninja looter for the next month. Every instance I run I will ninjasomething, If my name shows up on your forums, then you win. otherwise....

[Magikhat]

lol nice sig!

[MartinNrFive]

Personal reference....and Im back.

Evidently you DO need to see it....as you broke two rules throughout this post. And trust me, I help out a ton of people on this forum, and I'm helping you too :P
I put people down that rbeakteh rules of this forum....and that is it.

As far as I can tell I only broke the rule about linking to my site (which I now understand is classed as an advert). What was the other rule?

And no, when I referred to you putting others down I mean the fact that you're the most vocal when it comes to dissing the idea (and abusing the site). Tanitha is against the idea as well but posts constructive criticism, something I appreciate a lot more.

I understand that there's room for abuse but I think it's unfair to dismiss the site out of hand.

Stigg, you have an account over at NoN already - why not add yourself properly to see what happens? If no-one ever will visit the site (as you proclaimed in one of your previous posts) then no harm is done as no-one will see your status. If the site takes off you'll find out what others think of you.

And as I understand it (I'm guessing you're in a guild you won't leave anytime soon) it doesn't matter even if you get voted as a ninja but then you'll see for yourself that the system isn't working (I'm assuming you're not a ninja).

Sounds fair?

[Tanitha]

Every instance I run I will ninjasomething, If my name shows up on your forums, then you win. otherwise....

Dood! I'm SO not running an instance with you anymore. :wink:

[MartinNrFive]

EDIT:
In 1 month I will go to your site and see it flourishing with the names of every ninja across the wow world.

Then I will see ifmy name is up there. Yes. I volunteer myself as a ninja looter for the next month. Every instance I run I will ninjasomething, If my name shows up on your forums, then you win. otherwise....

You don't need to ninja in every instance you run (unless you *are* a ninja that is ;) - just add yourself as a saint and see if you get voted a ninja anyhow.

A month is a very short time as it'll take me about 6 months to get the needed number of visitors to make this work but I'll take what you give me. :)

And despite what you think, I don't win if the site works - the community does. I'm not having this argument to "win" over you in this debate, all I'm trying to do is make you see why I believe in the idea.

Yes, I know, people like me should propbably only exist in fairytales but I guess my mother dropped me on my head when I was a baby. What can I say - I like helping others. :shrug:

You can believe that I do this out of the goodness of my heart or to "win" over you, it's completely up to you to decide. :)

Dood! I'm SO not running an instance with you anymore. :wink:

Well, I'd check with the Ninja or Not? site before making any hasty decisions. ;)

[Stigg]

Dood! I'm SO not running an instance with you anymore. :wink:

Aww cmon...my hunter NEEDS that shadow damage! Badly!

Well, I'd check with the Ninja or Not? site before making any hasty decisions. ;)

I dont think you understand....you are still promoting your site with every post you leave. I don't even have a problem with your site. I have a problem with going against the rules....which have been pointed out to you by a MODERATOR.

And in an attempt to stop bumping these threads (and because I get to leave in 4 minutes....)....i declare myself the winner of this and shall now bow out

[MartinNrFive]

I dont think you understand....you are still promoting your site with every post you leave. I don't even have a problem with your site. I have a problem with going against the rules....which have been pointed out to you by a MODERATOR.

And in an attempt to stop bumping these threads (and because I get to leave in 4 minutes....)....i declare myself the winner of this and shall now bow out

So I can't even *talk* about the site? How on earth do you go about discussing Thott or other sites besides WorldOfWar.net? The way I interpreted Valas post was that the link was a no-no - not talking about a site (mine or another).

And if you can't tell that my previous post was in jest (the smiley is a tip, look for that the next time) then there's really very little I can do to help you.

As for not having anything against the site - why have you then spent most of your posts in this thread telling me what a horrible idea it is?

You shouldn't really talk about winning an argument on the Internet - I'm sure you've seen this one before (http://www.mega.bz/rotfl/images/argue091204.jpg)? ;)

[Stigg]

Yep, and I love that picture. I think that kid looks a little like me...except I havea unibrow.


And the site you mentioned is, in fact, not allowed to be mentioned.

Learn the rules before you attempt to play.

[Valas Azuviir]

Ok, the rules section might be down, but I've done this enough times already to have it bleeping memorized.

Folks, you can edit your posts up to an hour after initial posting. There's no need for back to back posting, and yes, we do have a rule about that as well. Commandment two: 2. Thou Shalt Not Spam or Engage in Posting Wars. It has a subsection on back to back posting.

Keep this up and I'm simply going to close the thread down, and if folks persist in this behaviour, and I've warned about it in other threads as well, then temp bans might be a solution to get folks to start obeying the rules we got here.

[Magikhat]

Lets give the guy a break. If you choose to visit his site, its all good. If you choose not to visit his site, its all good too.

[MartinNrFive]

@Stigg: Ok, if you say that it's against the rules that I'll take your word for it - I haven't been around as long as you.

@Valas: You are the mod so I'll do as you say but then I need to ask where you draw the line between a posting war and a discussion.

To me this was a discussion where I tried to convince Stigg that the service I was talking about has a value and he tried to convince me that it hasn't.

I would also like to think that I have been behaving and not posting insults or flames. I did get upset when Stigg claimed that I hade deleted actual players when all I removed was his bogus players because those kind of accusations aren't kosher where I come from.

Still, it's getting late and I need to get to work early. If Stigg feels like he has won far be for me to rob him of that victory.

You don't need to close this thread on my account, I just wanted to let you guys know about a nifty little service I thought of, and will be on my way now. I'll find other ways to do that.

I just hope that Stigg actually keeps his promise and takes a look a month from now to see his status. :)

Good night to you all.

Lets give the guy a break. If you choose to visit his site, its all good. If you choose not to visit his site, its all good too.

Appreciated but I have no problem playing by the rules. If I'm not allowed to talk about you-know-what - then I won't.

And I submitted a small news blurb as Valas suggested. Not that I think that it'll do any good but at least I did things the right way. :)

[Stigg]

Ok, the rules section might be down, but I've done this enough times already to have it bleeping memorized.

Folks, you can edit your posts up to an hour after initial posting. There's no need for back to back posting, and yes, we do have a rule about that as well. Commandment two: 2. Thou Shalt Not Spam or Engage in Posting Wars. It has a subsection on back to back posting.

Keep this up and I'm simply going to close the thread down, and if folks persist in this behaviour, and I've warned about it in other threads as well, then temp bans might be a solution to get folks to start obeying the rules we got here.

I' taudl.

I'll leave this thread alone.

[Valas Azuviir]

@Valas: You are the mod so I'll do as you say but then I need to ask where you draw the line between a posting war and a discussion.


I draw the line at you answering Stigg in one post and then answering MagicHat in another in back to back posts within a one hour time frame. Same applies to Stigg btw, he did that a few times as well.. :annoyed:

That's part of the subsection of Commandment 2. It asks posters to make use of the quote command and to stick their replies in a single post, if possible. There are only a few times, when we'll wave the back to back posting limitation: a) multiple pictures, when trying to tell a story. See the work by Mongojerry as an example of that. b) When one has reached the maximum allowed numbers of symbols (read letters, numbers, punctation etc etc). Usually occurs when posting patch notes.

You don't meet those criteria? Then edit your post.


And I submitted a small news blurb as Valas suggested. Not that I think that it'll do any good but at least I did things the right way. :)

Not what I said actually, and you might want to check your PM box for more on that.

[Xmcdaniel]

As a hunter, all loot is mines. I needs it, I wants it and im going to gets it. yes, this goes for even plate. There might be a time when blizzard lets me spec plate mail and then when i dooz it, i will halves it to be mines in my pockets. Thereforez If I seez it and I likes it...I rollz on it and i makes it mines in my pockets.

Enchanter: can i need on all the items no one's going to use? i need to disenchant for the mats.

Me: well i'd kind of like to sell it to a vendor or put it up for auction, seeing as i'm spending 3 hours running the same instance as you.

Enchanter: plz plz plz????

Me: alright stfu and need it.

*this is one of the more annoying scams in the game. Sure enchanter, no one's going to use it...but do you think they might want the gold from selling it? Naaaaah.

[Icefrost]

I can see a load of low-level players reporting ninjas for rolling on a sword that they wanted because it has 0.01dps more than what they have.

You get my point.