Greed Rolls

[Kursk]

1st time poster.

I've read a lot of the threads on the subject but I'd still want direct input on this :

Is it ok to greed roll on every item. I know the definition of greed but I still see some players passing on some items. I understand when to roll Need... you don't have to explain it to me.

I've been soloing from the beginning and i'll be starting instances soon so I need a little advice. Can someone blame you when you roll greed?

Thanks

[rockhead]

I think you have greed and need mixed up. I was always told to greed and if your going to need you ask.

[SwervinCL]

When there is an item that drops that is BOPU, i will pass if I don't need it/can't use it. Like for instance. If you are a hunter and there is a warrior in your group. And there is a mail chest piece that drops, whats the point of you having it. You cant use it, so whats the point of greeding it?

If its BOE and I could use it on an alt, I would then greed it. Need should only be used if you need it and will use it, but really only matters if its BOPU.

[Icefrost]

If you are a hunter and there is a warrior in your group. And there is a mail chest piece that drops, whats the point of you having it. You cant use it, so whats the point of greeding it?

Because you could use the money for selling it and if that warrior really needs it, he is gonna roll need.

[ArTizan]

I don't ask on a need, if I need to equip it and it's better than what I've got then I'll need. If it's worth something and i have space for it then I'll greed, otherwise if it's rubbish I'll pass.

[Theln]

Greed rolls on all items are fine - with the exception of 'Bind On Pickup' items. There are several accepted methods of looting for these:

1. Greed roll on anything you want - ask / tell people if you will roll need.

2. Everyone passes on the item. People then are free to chat about their relative desires for the item and decide who is going to roll need. Then, people who need the item give a /roll into the party channel and the highest roll takes the loot. If no one wants to roll need, anyone can greed roll.

3. Master looter.

Most PUGs (Pick Up Groups... this is the Newcomer Forum, sorry if you know the term - not trying to patronize) use the 'All pass' method, but I have seen the other two used on occasion.

One advantage of the 'All pass' method is that if you win a greed roll and have no way of using the item, someone else in the group can disenchant it for you so you can sell the shard/dust - unless you just want to vendor the item for gold.

Typically in a PUG you should make sure everyone has agreed on the looting scheme at the beginning of the instance - this saves headaches later when you pass on an item you need, thinking that everyone else will also pass.

Short story - greed rolls are always fine, unless you are running in a 'pass on BoP' group.

[Kursk]

Because you could use the money for selling it and if that warrior really needs it, he is gonna roll need.

Or use it on another character. So unless it's BoPU, it's ok?

Theln : we posted at the same time. Thanks for the clarification.

[Stumanji]

My 2-cents:

NEED ROLL: Let people know that you're going to roll NEED. I consider it polite. If you don't, people might assume you're a "ninja looter", especially if everyone rolls greed, and you roll last and "need" the item. Just looks bad.

GREED ROLL: Greed roll everything that isn't bind-on-pick-up - unless you can disenchant the item if you can't use it. I'm not an enchanter, so I pass on BOPUs, unless they are better than what I've got and I can use them.

PASS: I pass on items if they can't be used by my class, and someone in the party needs them. Or, if I feel particularly guilty for failing the group earlier in the instance/quest, I'll pass a few items to ease my mind. :rolleyes:

[Drakkor]

Theln - well put post - thanks. I have passed when I shouldn't have due to not understanding the whole need/greed process. I mainly end up in PUG's so sometimes this is an issue w/someone "needing" everything and the group blowing up over it. The best groups I've played with set the ground rules up front and Theln's post is right on the money. I will still pass if I can't use and others in group can but they all "greed", I do this if my bags are full or close to it. That way I don't watse time trashing something to make room later if I do "need" something or win a greed roll.
FWIW - I've been playing for about 4 weeks so I'm still a NOOB too.

Being primarily a solo player I'll pass a few items too as a thanks for the invite to the instance.

[SwervinCL]

Because you could use the money for selling it and if that warrior really needs it, he is gonna roll need.

Your right. Plus if you are an enchanter, you can dissenchant it.

[bwirum]

When we do 5-man guild runs (which is often now in the Outland instances) the rule set in stone is to greed on boe, pass on bop, need when you need, regardless of boe or bop.

This way, if noone needs the bop item the enchanter of the group (there's always one it seems, not that we specifically try to get one along, oh yeah, I'm him, that's why, duh!) can pick up the item for sharding and everyone /rolls on it in chat.

In pugs however, I try to get either A) Master Loot on by either me or someone I know or B) Make sure EVERYBODY understands to roll pass on ALL bop's, regardless of need, for discussion and all afterwards. Normally not a lot of discussion is needed and could be sone well within the timeframe of the normal lootwindow, but there are exceptions, when some people think they are entitled to stuff over others in dubious manners...

[lookinforhelp]

this thread takes me back when i first started playing W.o.W i need rolled every item until someone actually explaind to me what was going on with the buttons lol i did this all the way to WC thank god sum1 told me then can you imagine sum noob like me in your sm or zf runs a warrior rolling need on righteous hand(whatever its called) or rolling need on the robes from in SFK sum caster would be
pissssed ROFL

[Icefrost]

To be honest, I extremely rarely get in groups where people actually pass on BoP

And another thing about PuGs: Never ever roll items for another character unless you've informed your group earlier. Assuming a complete PuG, they have no way of knowing you actually have another char out there.

[Chunderpants]

Well I for one wouldnt be able to remember what any of my other characters need, let alone whether the stats of the pick up are better or not!

I truly am not fussed about pick ups (I almost always sell them), so for a long time when someone rolled need all the time I assumed he really needed it & I passed on it. However, what narks me off is when a person always rolls need, and I always pass, and I end up with virtually sod all.

So recently I have been going for whatever I can get. Sod the people who say "but i need it for this or that char". If you need it that bad then go do the quest / mission again.

Maybe thats a bit harsh, but usually Im too nice and sometimes you have to take care of number 1.

(okay sometimes I also revert back to Mr Softie Mode and pass on it)

[Felix Niebuhr]

General rules: You cannot roll need for an alt. If this was accepted everybody would soon need all for their "alt".

In PuGs, greed on everything, unless you need for your char. If its not for your class, and someone else need and get more benefit, then you cannot need. You must wait untill the drop is free, then ask if you can need. Examples are a ranged pulling weap for a warrior, or a weapon that has stats intended for another class on it, making it a weapon intended not for a warrior. And so on.

New players often need wrongly because the secondary stat is stamina, and its better than what they got. Well learn not to. A ring with 7 strength and 3 stam, is not for a rogue to need, its for a warrior. Even though the rogue only has a ring with 2 stam on it.

The pass on BoP really is are rare occurence in a PuG, and I wouldn`t put any emphasis on this way of dealing with the loot. You may encounter it if you`re running with your own guild, or joining 4 players from another guild. But in general trying to enforce pass on a PuG is just energy and time wasted.

When people pass on items, its really in an effort to be more polite than need be, but moot, since you won`t steal anything from someone who needs if you just greed anyway. Or it might be because they have little inventory space or some other practical issue.

[Stigg]

/target Felix
/agree

I roll greed on every BOE. If a player needed it, they should have rolled need.

I roll greed on every BOP, too. If a player needs it, they will roll need. If thereis a DE'er in the group, they ALWAYS roll last. If every player has chosen greed on a BOP, they will roll need, DE it, and we all roll for the shard.

If an epic drops, if you NEED it, then you equip it as soon as you win it. If everybody rolls greed on it (and its a BOE), then the winner can do with it as he/she wishes.

[mesonm]

I think you have greed and need mixed up. I was always told to greed and if your going to need you ask.

'need to ask'.....Well, not really, but it is polite to do so.

No reason not to 'need' if you will equip, and roll off against other who need it for the same or similar reasons.

[DraedynLei]

basically just establish the rules beforehand. there's nothing worse than a group bickering over drops or some guy ninja'ing everything. if a group can't follow the terms we all agreed on beforehand, i just leave. its not worth my time. so figure out what to do on BoPs, BoEs.. when to go greed or need. And generally needing for an alt doesn't count :P though i've seen some people try to swing that. cuz technically we could have an alt of every class and need everything.

[Big Guns]

I play on two servers: one old and the otehr fairly new.

The "accepted" protocol is different on each server.

On the older one people pass on BoP items. On the newer server people just greed roll or need roll on them.

I am not sure which method I favour as they both have their downsides. Either way I think it is polite to announce as early on a possible that you are going to need something as it gives others a chance to reconsider their choice.

But even so I have been in groups where people say don't tell us what you are going to do: if you need it just "need" it.

But to answer the OP's question you can greed everything if you want to unless people have said before hand all pass on BoP items.

If someone "needs" something that clearly they do not "need" I will also "need" even if I was otherwise going to greed.

[Wayne K]

The groups I usually run with go by the rule:

If you need it, then need it, dont ask, but if you dont need pass or greed, its up to you.

But I still try to be polite, and like when I wanted the argual(sp?) robe, I told them that I was gonna need it in advance.

What I hate though is when I am in a group that doesnt roll chests, especially if I think we are going to. :(

[Clavina]

To the OP:

As you can see there are many interpretations of the need/greed system. It is always best to discuss and agree loot rules within the party before starting anything. This will usually eliminate any potential conflict later on.

[elyxthaxzus]

Ya, dunno If I could really add too much to the discussion that hasn't already been covered. I will always verify it all beforehand...and leave if someone is in too much of a hurry to respond. To me its a big deal. It really all about communication. If someone asks ahead of time, I usually dont care if they need. But if 3-4 people in the group greed (including me) and then the last guy needs, that bugs me. there's nothing wrong with typing, "can I need" and waiting for a response.

Course, Im a proponent for elimiating the need button altogether :grin: IMO it goes against the whole concept of teamwork. The minute you hit the need button you effectively nerfed anyone who greeded before you. and I personally don't think there is any item a toon "needs" before the elite levels. So it has 2 more agility then your last sword? Ya, like thats gonna make the difference between wiping and surviving in deadmines :P Alot of times when were hitting an instance ill discuss beforehand the main items that could drop, and find out who would want them...this also helps to curb the suprise "hay wtf, why did you need?!" comments

Our guild (small tho it is) still does greed everything, pass on BoP's and discuss, and /roll for chests. I've found that it really doesn't take any more time then need/greed (since you usually will be eating/drinking/re-buffing after loot drops liek that anyways), and everyone usually is happier.

Now in a tight group prob doesn't matter as much. theres about 5-6 players in my guild that I know well enough that when an item drops, well all have a pretty good idea who could use it best, even if its for an alt. But in a PUG, i discuss heavily. this is probably one if the touchiest issues in the game, and I've seen people leave guilds because of miscommunication on loot. Better safe then sorry.