"Boosting" ruins the game

[Morail]

Theres a lvl 60 BE paladin on my server already and hes been hanging in instances all along. I know it doesn't affect me in anyway but I still get pretty mad when I see people exploiting this ****. Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

Blizzard should have done something about this a long time ago and I get pretty steamed like I said when I see people doing this.

Any thoughts?

[memetootoo]

What do you mean hanging in instances all along? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. But if you mean, having a guild help you level an alt, I really don't see a problem with that.

But thats just me :)

[Hooraybeer]

Leveling is part of the fun of this game. I think when people play 120 straight hours to get 1 to 60 it's just stupid, but it's not my account, so it doesn't really bother me much.

[Magikhat]

I dont see a problem with it.

[timebomb]

i have no idea what you are saying. you telling me people are running with 4 men in a five man and letting him loot as needed?

well if they can run with 4 men then i dont see the problem.

[Odwill]

I think the op is talking about "tap leveling". It is when you have 4 or 5 people follow behind you not in your group and kill the mobs you tag while you move on to tag the next mob granting you almost full xp for the mob. Personaly I don't see an issue with it but some people get all pissy about it.

[DraedynLei]

Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

I'm not really sure what you're saying either. Because your alt can't boost you through anything, since only one of your characters can be on at the same time. They can however send another alt money and equip. I don't have a problem with that. I mean they earned the level of their higher level alt, they should enjoy the benefits.

As to higher level guidlies helping out their lower level guildmates... umm.. that's what friends are for. Don't like it? I guess that's tough. If you think it's an unfair advantage or just jealous, join a guild, make some friends. I'm sure they'll help you out. I'm the 6th highest member (at lvl44) of a small and new guild. We only have 2 60+. I don't think there's anything wrong with those 60s helping us 40s through instances.

*two pennies droppin*

[Oatmealsmurf]

Not really he probably has invested more time into his guild and making the connections which allowed him to do that than you have leveling your character to 60. How is what he's doing inhibiting your ability to play or enjoy the game in anyway?

[timebomb]

the right way to do this is if you want to level fast.

1. get your self a high level healer (puller).
2. dont group
3. plant leveler in the midle of a highly populated mob area
4. leveler stands there and high level healer body pulls mobs to leveler.
5. as soon as the leveler finishs the mob he is on, the body puller should have the next mob there for him to peel off you. this is chain killing. never stops tell you out of mobs. then move areas.
6. drop heals as needed (always have a HOT on leveler)
7. mobs 2 levels higher than leveler tops

EQOA style

this works best when leveling a tank or melee

[mesonm]

Theres a lvl 60 BE paladin on my server already and hes been hanging in instances all along. I know it doesn't affect me in anyway but I still get pretty mad when I see people exploiting this ****. Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

Blizzard should have done something about this a long time ago and I get pretty steamed like I said when I see people doing this.

Any thoughts?

So, you start by saying it ruins the game...

Please explain how this ruins the game (which is not the same as why it might make you mad...).

Or, change games?

[PlayThemAll]

Not sure what the point is here. Everyone has their own style/pace of play. Anyone can join a guild or find help to get them along. The game was designed for group play, while still alowing you to play solo if you desired.

Even if you are twinked and have help you still have to play the game. As long as there are no exploits involved (buying gold, bots, etc.) I have no problem with it.

I have been playing since May '06 and my main is still only a lvl 42. I want to level but I don't have huge amounts of time to dedicate to it and I want to enjoy the game content.

[Oatmealsmurf]

Exactly... what the guy is doing is trying to get a paladin raid ready to help his guild with lvl 70 end game stuff. Virtually every raiding guild has either a shaman or a paladin on a mad leveling campaign for this reason (Our paladin is up to lvl 50 at the moment even though we haven't made a coordinated effort to powerlevel him). Most of these guys have leveled multiple toons to 60... they've seen and experienced the 1-60 content to death and have no need to do it again.

[Trepidation]

How is having friends who want to help you a bad thing?

The guy who got to 70 in 27 hours did it with more than 27 hours of man effort as well. It should take ~120 to hit 70 with a normal quest grind...I think alot more than that was expended.

I've also done 1-60 in ~6days solo with absolutely no twinking or help...shrug.

[CorinthianSC]

I thought they nerfed 'tap levelling' so that you get XP proportional to the amount of damage dealt to the mob.

[Foonyak]

@CorinthianSC It depends on whether you're grouped or not. The dude who leveled to 70 in ~27 hours did this with his guild. He was not in their group, and tagged everything, then his guildies came around and whacked everything.

[RWGreen]

"Tap leveling" still workes in EPL. Maybe Silithus as well. Has something to do with the fact that it's a "World PvP" zone.

[Morail]

I guess most people missed the point, its not about having someone send you money or items. It's when you group with a lvl 70 or whatever and he runs you through instances and you get ****loads of xp for just walking behind him. Yea I'm so jealous they got guildies with no life to boost them through instances... yawn. And for alts you can have 2 accounts you know.

Its a freakin exploit and when someones getting 10x more xp for basicly doing nothing and it is frustrating for alot of players leveling honest. It's like seeing someone cut in line but you can't do anything about it.

[cyradis2003]

My fiance and I have multiple characters and we have made our way to 60 quite a few times. We will occasionally take turns running each other through RFC on the babies for gear - you can get about a level a run and since we have lvl 60 hunters the runs take about 20 minutes tops. We also run each other through WC and SFK when bigger for the gear but we get xp for it as well.

We pay our fees just like you and if we want to spend our time leveling like that then I don't see how it is your business.

[DarthMuffin]

Its a freakin exploit and when someones getting 10x more xp for basicly doing nothing and it is frustrating for alot of players leveling honest. It's like seeing someone cut in line but you can't do anything about it.

Frustrating? They are not ruining your experience in any way. They will have the shiny items faster, but will have skipped all there is to see in the game. It's a trade-off. They are not cutting in a line, they are simply in another one. They move faster, but don't slow you down.

[Tanitha]

Why Morail? It's someone else playing their game. If anything they are the ones losing out, not you. I don't see the point in stressing out over how other people play their games.

[Foonyak]

It's when you group with a lvl 70 or whatever and he runs you through instances and you get ****loads of xp for just walking behind him.

Except for the fact that if you grouped with a level 70 at level 1, you would get next to no experience. Of course if you had some high-level friends, you'd probably be doing the same thing. I know I would, with just one character, just so I could see the Outlands before the next expansion.

And as it was stated by Oatmealsmurf in post #8, he probably has a level 60 toon, or more than one, sitting on hold at the moment, and he and his guild wanted to get his belf pally into the Outlands ASAP.

[Twoflower]

sorry, but you sound like a crybaby.

it does not affect your playing in any way. You are not forced to level "normaly", you can do it aswell. It is not a exploit. If you group whit someone of a much higher level you get much less xp. there is no "right" and no "honest" way to play this game, there is just your way and the way other people play it. Dont try to force your mindset or your ideas of fun onto others.

basicaly, every statement in your posts so far is wrong or not logical.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Theres a lvl 60 BE paladin on my server already and hes been hanging in instances all along. I know it doesn't affect me in anyway but I still get pretty mad when I see people exploiting this ****. Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

Blizzard should have done something about this a long time ago and I get pretty steamed like I said when I see people doing this.

Any thoughts?

I'm not certain what you mean by "hanging out in instances all day long".

Now, I leveled a character to 60 (or rather 62 now), "normally". I don't even do many instance runs, nor do I do raids. I don't do battlegrounds to grind for honor either. I got another character to 60, with my first character grinding for cash, to help my second character be able to pay for everything -- I don't see the problem with this (spending money I made in-game, to buy equipment I wanted in-game at the auction house. Who really cares that it was one character making the money and another one spending it? Both of them are my characters, aren't they?) Heck, I have another character who when she made level 40, I had made a set of armor for her with my first character (both of them hunters, one on horde & other on alliance), and with the help of my roommate I got the armor transfered from one character to another. Once again, what is the problem here -- they are both my characters, it isn't like I am somehow cheating.

Using the resources provided by other characters you already have, or getting help from your guild/friends -- that is part of the game. So what if there's a level 60 blood elf paladin on your server already. I don't quite see how that really makes any difference one way or another to you. Me personally, I play how I want to play, and please don't sit there and tell me that the way I'm doing it is somehow wrong, when I'm not impacting/affecting anyone else, and am using the resources I personally have at hand in-game. The level 60 Blood Elf paladin, same thing. It seems like your post is just that of jealousy, and if it is, then you just need to get over it.

[Xmcdaniel]

I guess most people missed the point, its not about having someone send you money or items. It's when you group with a lvl 70 or whatever and he runs you through instances and you get ****loads of xp for just walking behind him. Yea I'm so jealous they got guildies with no life to boost them through instances... yawn. And for alts you can have 2 accounts you know.

Its a freakin exploit and when someones getting 10x more xp for basicly doing nothing and it is frustrating for alot of players leveling honest. It's like seeing someone cut in line but you can't do anything about it.

Why, is it affecting your WoW experience? Blizzard, no matter how hard they try, cannot control irrational jealousy. Why does it matter to you that X Player in Tokyo leveled faster than Player Y in Middle America? Seriously, how would that affect your gaming experience. Reminds me of my 4 year old son who starts screaming "no fair" when his 2 year old brother gets a toy for a 2 year old and he doesn't get the same thing.

[JaedxRapture]

He doesn't have to level normally because he already did it once, which is how he got the high level.

Edit: Get off the forums and go level if you want a high level.

[Gormidan]

Theres a lvl 60 BE paladin on my server already and hes been hanging in instances all along. I know it doesn't affect me in anyway but I still get pretty mad when I see people exploiting this ****. Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

Blizzard should have done something about this a long time ago and I get pretty steamed like I said when I see people doing this.

Any thoughts?

Don't let it get to you. Just try to enjoy the game. I had to do a double take on a Draenei level 54 shaman in EPL. The game hasn't been out a full week and already level 54 and 60 blood elfs and draenei. Thats crazy man.

[Unknowable]

i hear an 8 year old who'se jealous that the kid down the street got the bike that HE wanted for christmas, and all he got was underwear :grin:

[Morail]

@Uknowable: Except that kid stole his bike and got it wrongfully.

The only logical argument I seen in this thread so far besides yours truly's is that they are missing out on stuff outside instances, but most of us has done those quests several times already.

And no, I would not get xp this way even if I could, the rest of you who endorse this kind of leveling and behaving like morons clearly knows nothing about what fair play is and should quit the game entirely.

It is clear to me the wow community is 90% made up of kids. Done with this thread.

[Unknowable]

i bet you you're the kind of person who accuses a coworker who got a promotion over you of cheating/brown-nosing their way up when in fact they were simply better qualified

to continue following my analogy, the kid didn't steal the bike, he has family w/ the ability (more money, a connection at the factory, etc) to get him what he wants when you, the whining 8 year old, have to fend for youself. quit whining about what you don't/can't have, and start enjoying what you DO have.

[bwirum]

@Uknowable: Except that kid stole his bike and got it wrongfully.
No, he just had richer parents.

The only logical argument I seen in this thread so far besides yours truly's is that they are missing out on stuff outside instances, but most of us has done those quests several times already.
What logical arguments? I fail to see you made one. You're sounding like a little brat that's all. I tell my kids to go sit on the couch to cool off when they act like you.

And no, I would not get xp this way even if I could, the rest of you who endorse this kind of leveling and behaving like morons clearly knows nothing about what fair play is and should quit the game entirely.
That's your choice, as it is his to get xp the way he wants to. And by the rest of you, you obviously mean the rest of the people playing wow, as I haven't seen a supportive post for you yet.

It is clear to me the wow community is 90% made up of kids.
You may be interested in knowing that many (I don't know about all of them) of the posters in this thread are grown people with families and kids?

Done with this thread.
But of course you are, as the mature thing to do when losing an argument is to walk away thinking you're a winner... :rolleyes:


Oh yes, and a question at the end; Does this actually affect you and your gameplay in any way, shape or form? No? Well then...

[Dutchgrass]

Theres a lvl 60 BE paladin on my server already and hes been hanging in instances all along. I know it doesn't affect me in anyway but I still get pretty mad when I see people exploiting this ****. Why should the rest of us be forced to level "normaly" while some people get free rides cause they got a high lvl alt or guildie to boost then through instances!?

Blizzard should have done something about this a long time ago and I get pretty steamed like I said when I see people doing this.

Any thoughts?

How is it exploiting? People are playing the game the way they enjoy it. They pay the monthly fee, they may play through it as fast or as slow as they please.
You're not 'forced' to level anything. If you don't enjoy the leveling process, quit playing.

I guess most people missed the point, its not about having someone send you money or items. It's when you group with a lvl 70 or whatever and he runs you through instances and you get ****loads of xp for just walking behind him. Yea I'm so jealous they got guildies with no life to boost them through instances... yawn. And for alts you can have 2 accounts you know.

Its a freakin exploit and when someones getting 10x more xp for basicly doing nothing and it is frustrating for alot of players leveling honest. It's like seeing someone cut in line but you can't do anything about it.

Stop whining. It's not having a direct effect on you, so why do you even care?
Them not having a life is such a dumb comment I'm not even going to bother responding to that.

And no, I would not get xp this way even if I could, the rest of you who endorse this kind of leveling and behaving like morons clearly knows nothing about what fair play is and should quit the game entirely.

Your definition of 'fair play' doesn't apply to everyone, nor does WoW have set rules as to how you must do your leveling. If it bothers you that much, perhaps you're the one that should quit the game.

It is clear to me the wow community is 90% made up of kids. Done with this thread.

People don't agree with you so they must be kids. Thanks for a good laugh.
Normally I have to go to the official forums for this kind of tripe.

[edandor]

I think the op is talking about "tap leveling". It is when you have 4 or 5 people follow behind you not in your group and kill the mobs you tag while you move on to tag the next mob granting you almost full xp for the mob. Personaly I don't see an issue with it but some people get all pissy about it.

this doesnt work anymore. you only get xp based off the dmg you do.

me and my friends tried :(

[Aerath]

Might I just remind people that these are not the official forums ?

Things are getting just a wee bit heated in there, and I suggest people to cooldown, take a cold shower (or a hot one if you're so inclined to just relax a bit) and return full of good mood.

I'mma keepin' ma eyes on dis one.

[Orbstu]

I may as well chuck in my 2c worth as well.

My first point is "How do you know he has been camping instances?".

Secondly, the fastest way to level with the aid of a high level friend is by partying and doing all of the quests, with looting set to "free for all" for the benefit of gathering quests whereby you loot while your friend runs about killing.

Obviously you know by this time how to maximise your exp from quests by combining as many as you can.

I can't remember the level requirement I think around 15, but how long would it take a level 60 hunter to kill "15 defias looters" and "15 defias pillagers" a maximum of 30 arrows shot probably closer to 20 by using MS.

[wesje]

boosting doesnt ruin the game

people that whine about every little thing they dont agree with ruin the game

[Felix Niebuhr]

Bitter and sour grapes, thats what this is all about.

[Mallstrop]

I've got 5 alliance characters at 60, then spare ones at 44,34 and a 24 hunter.

As soon as my shaman (When I have time to make him) hits the end of the new content at level 20 I think. I will go for my old powerleveling techniques that I've put to practice so many times. I know where to quest at what level, what gear I need through each instance and I'll tell you now, I don't do groups until ZF at around 44. Before that, the instances aren't worth diong for EXP or drops.

[Eido]

At the OP. Just remember that when you get to 60, the twinks that are being PL'ed by their guildies will have left because they got bored because WoW 'was easy'.

They will be the ones who wasted their subscription. You on the other hand will have enjoyed the richness of the world, and the challenges of the journey.

[timebomb]

to the OP,

here is the answer you are looking for.

many players in this game dont even play this game for the 1-70 grind. i know i enjoy leveling and stuff but many people play this game for the "End Game" content. Guilds today more so horde need to get Pallys in there line up ASAP. they dont care about doing the same quests 3-4 or 5 times over. they want to raid "End Game". as for you and I and maybe a few others we enjoy the game for all it has and like the grind.

to tell you the truth, the grind to 60 is vary short and the grind to 70 is a lot easeer than i had hoped. im not there but seems to be flying by. i wish it was harder to get to 70.

99% chance this is not his 1st toon. 99% chance this is not his 2nd or 3rd toon.

chances are youll never see this toon again after he hits 70. these people do very little outside of instances.

[Skellington]

Well, I'm currently in the process of switching my main to a shaman, and I'm getting boosted. I've now leveled 6 chars to L60 the slow way, so the old content is no longer of any interest to me.

[CorinthianSC]

My guild is focused on getting into the new 25-man endgame as quickly as possible. A couple of members have re-rolled pally to fill in those slots in our raid group. These people shelved characters that had a lot of time and effort put into them, so it is no small thing.

I don't want the guild to walk into their first 25-man zone with these guys on the sideline because they're still levelling. I also don't want to make an entire guild hold back their progression to wait for them to do it 'your way'.

So we help them. Isn't that what a guild is for?

[Xmcdaniel]

@Uknowable: Except that kid stole his bike and got it wrongfully.

The only logical argument I seen in this thread so far besides yours truly's is that they are missing out on stuff outside instances, but most of us has done those quests several times already.

And no, I would not get xp this way even if I could, the rest of you who endorse this kind of leveling and behaving like morons clearly knows nothing about what fair play is and should quit the game entirely.

It is clear to me the wow community is 90% made up of kids. Done with this thread.

The child is the person crying "no fair" in a game about people doing something that has no affect on his experience. Before you start insulting everyone else, take a look at yourself!

[DTO]

A note about "tap leveling". It absolutely is still viable and does work 100%. There is a small restriction though.
To get the full experience for mobs you've tapped, the person who kills them has to be relatively close to your level. I believe it's no more than eight levels higher than you to get the full amount.
On another forum, I saw several posts from people planning to level new Blood Elves or Draenei very fast. They had tap leveling teams lined up at several level ranges to power them along. As well as having pre-collected the materials for every possible turn-in quest. Several guilds had summon and portal teams prepositioned to give all the alts access to every flightpath and city right away.
If someone wants to put all their energy in to leveling as fast as possible, who cares? It's their time, they can use it how they like.

[Xmcdaniel]

A note about "tap leveling". It absolutely is still viable and does work 100%. There is a small restriction though.
To get the full experience for mobs you've tapped, the person who kills them has to be relatively close to your level. I believe it's no more than eight levels higher than you to get the full amount.
On another forum, I saw several posts from people planning to level new Blood Elves or Draenei very fast. They had tap leveling teams lined up at several level ranges to power them along. As well as having pre-collected the materials for every possible turn-in quest. Several guilds had summon and portal teams prepositioned to give all the alts access to every flightpath and city right away.
If someone wants to put all their energy in to leveling as fast as possible, who cares? It's their time, they can use it how they like.

Thanks for the info. Man, do some people take this game way to seriously or what? If these people put this kind of planning into their regular lives rather than playing WoW 12 hrs a day, imagine what they could accomplish.

"How can we kill...that which has no life?" - WoW Southpark Episode

[mesonm]

The only logical argument I seen in this thread so far besides yours truly's is that they are missing out on stuff outside instances, but most of us has done those quests several times already.

And no, I would not get xp this way even if I could, the rest of you who endorse this kind of leveling and behaving like morons clearly knows nothing about what fair play is and should quit the game entirely.


ROFL....It seems clear to me that YOU are the one who isn't enjoying the game, and should quit....

I am perfectly fine, and am not complaining...

We don't need a logical argument...It is possible...Blizz allows it...game over.

That you disagree so vehemently is just icing on the cake.:thumbsup:

[piscene]

I only worry about those things which affect me, and over which I have some level of control. This item meets neither of those criteria, so why worry about it at all? Waste of energy, waste of time, find something real to worry about.

[Aswer]

All I can tell you is that my guild is doing this with 2 BE paladins right now. They are both old members with hundreds of hours invested in raiding with us, one has 2 self-leveled 60s, the other one has 4. They are both very good and knoweledgeable players. We'll be doing this in order to make our new 25 raid groups as soon as possible - as balanced as possible. We actually want 3 but we don't have a third person that wants to do this out of the old-timers, and we won't do it for someone on trial who might leave next week. We have already equipped too many trial members with t2 who left as soon as they got equipment, but that's another story....

This is, most probably, what these people were doing.

I don't see what's frustrating in it, and I don't see why it should bother you, really.

[Twoflower]

Thanks for the info. Man, do some people take this game way to seriously or what? If these people put this kind of planning into their regular lives rather than playing WoW 12 hrs a day, imagine what they could accomplish.

"How can we kill...that which has no life?" - WoW Southpark Episode


i find it amusing that you insult people you dont even know. Who knows, maybee these people were just doing this in a once a lifetime session. Like the guy who leveled his mage from 60 to 70 in 24 hours. Do you know these people well enugh to be 100 % sure that they dont go back to theyr wife, kids and job after the day or week they invested into the game ?

all in all, whenever i read "xx has no life", i read it as "there is something wrong in my life and all i can do is look down onto others to make me feel better".

[Summoned]

I call troll? :undecided:

[Xmcdaniel]

i find it amusing that you insult people you dont even know. Who knows, maybee these people were just doing this in a once a lifetime session. Like the guy who leveled his mage from 60 to 70 in 24 hours. Do you know these people well enugh to be 100 % sure that they dont go back to theyr wife, kids and job after the day or week they invested into the game ?

all in all, whenever i read "xx has no life", i read it as "there is something wrong in my life and all i can do is look down onto others to make me feel better".

I find it amusing that you insult people you don't even know! If you are going to bring your "holier than thou" attitude to the board...a least live by it instead of making yourself look like a hypocrite...

I was simply making a point that people who plan something like this to the last detail, are probably spending too much time on OR are way to obsessed with a GAME, and if they applied the same zeal to RL that they have for WoW that they would be very successful.

I'm one of those players you refer to that only spends 2-3 hours every other day playing. Trust me, with my wife and kids...and all of the RL distractions...no way do I have to time or the foresight to think "Since our guild has farmed MC, BWL, and Naxx and everyone has their Tier 3 sets now, and because we've always needed a Paladin for raiding, let's come up with a detailed plan, 1-60, and coordinate with 20 other guild members to make it efficient as possible for our designated BE Paladin(s)...cuz it's that important that we have one."

I guarantee you that people who do this kind of thing spend a lot more time on WoW than just a casual player. And if you think otherwise you are delusional.

[mesonm]

I was simply making a point that people who plan something like this to the last detail, are probably spending too much time on OR way to obsessed with a GAME, and if they applied the same zeal to RL that they have for WoW that they would be very successful in all likelihood.


Why do you assume that they have not accomplished those things already?

For all you know, they might have already accomplished more than you will accomplish in your entire life.

If folks want to plan in a GAME, let them...It is you judging them that is interesting, and a bit curious...


I guarantee you that people who do this kind of thing spend a lot more time on WoW than just a casual player. And if you think otherwise you are delusional.


Not sure what your point is....They can get 40 people to help them...Seems like they are good at making in-game friends...Can you? Or is that the point?

[Xmcdaniel]

Why do you assume that they have not accomplished those things already?

For all you know, they might have already accomplished more than you will accomplish in your entire life?

You might have missed it but there's this little word called "probably" that I used, which negates your hurried, flaming response altogether.

[mesonm]

You might have missed it but there's this little word called "probably" that I used, which negates your hurried, flaming response altogether.

I didn't flame...I asked a question...That you took it as a flame is indicative of your mindset.

Enjoy!

[Xmcdaniel]

I could give a rat's behind whether they plan or not...they can do all the planning they want. I was making a commentary on it...in fact I've defended "boosting" all along through this post. I just find it kind of lame that people take this game so seriously...and in a lot of cases at the expense of real life issues.

[piscene]

You might have missed it but there's this little word called "probably" that I used, which negates your hurried, flaming response altogether.

Sorry, but the "probably" thrown in really does not water down the insult. And if you think you weren't being insulting, then you are delusional. Your remarks were judgemental and insulting.

You know nothing about the people who have come up with any of these posts...not their jobs, families, or personal accomplishments. Making any judgemental statements about them, whether qualified with a "probably" or not, is presumptive, simple as that.

[Xmcdaniel]

Sorry, but the "probably" thrown in really does not water down the insult. And if you think you weren't being insulting, then you are delusional. Your remarks were judgemental and insulting.

You know nothing about the people who have come up with any of these posts...not their jobs, families, or personal accomplishments. Making any judgemental statements about them, whether qualified with a "probably" or not, is presumptive, simple as that.

Why are you feeling insulted? Do you think someone who spends 25+ hours a week playing a computer game can balance that with a healthy family and work life? Why is it insulting to others that I am of the opinion that this is not a healthy balance? Maybe because they have that problem?


Not sure what your point is....They can get 40 people to help them...Seems like they are good at making in-game friends...Can you? Or is that the point?

40 people...planned summons at all the flight points...a group at each to help the newbie BE paladin tag mobs and clear them...quests scripted to a "T"...to get a little pixelated character lvl 1-60 because it's THAT IMPORTANT that they have a paladin to raid with at 60-70. It really is. They MUST have that Paladin...

This is a game...if you put that much planning into it, you play too much and take it too seriously.

You can launch veiled insults about my ability to make friends and whatnot...but that doesn't change my opinion that some WoW players have serious issues regarding the importance they place on a game vs. their actual real lives.