Alliance only by name

[Satsujin]

I dont submit this as a protest or something, just stating what my bg
experience has tought me so far.

Sometimes i think "The alliance" is only a name and not a fact

everyone is going solo and only a few players work together, something i

dont see in the horde side. Howdome the always work together?

What do we luck?

Two nights ago i entered Av for the first time im a lvl 55 Ne rogue

a low lvl for Av since the majority was 60+. I was fighting in the front line

while others of greater levels (im not talking about cloth wearers) were

standing in the back watching .

i mean.. come oon!!

We were busting our chops out there while others remained at their positions doing nothing to help .

:embarassed:

[Suicider]

Alliance are more focused on their e-peen and ph4t l3wtz then they are focused on actually doing anything even remotely useful.. Having had a shaman and some alliance chars at equal level throughout the game, alliance always have been worse at teamwork..

Just as an example.. At level 50 I went to BRD with my druid.. Had three "tanks"; feral druid, warrior and 60 pala.. None of them even though of using a shield (well, druid was in bear, but was tanking a single target, usually the casters, which he can't mitigate anyway >_<) as I was having a hard time keeping them up.. They just kept posting their 1337 crits and what not.
On my shaman I went there at 50 aswell, enhancement specced, and had an easier time keeping everyone alive, even though my druid is resto..

[Favya]

I've never been to AV as I am pretty new to the game myself, but from what I hear the Alliance don't have to do much there since they have such a good terrain advantage.

[Mincemaker]

Alliance are more focused on their e-peen and ph4t l3wtz then they are focused on actually doing anything even remotely useful.. Having had a shaman and some alliance chars at equal level throughout the game, alliance always have been worse at teamwork..

Just as an example.. At level 50 I went to BRD with my druid.. Had three "tanks"; feral druid, warrior and 60 pala.. None of them even though of using a shield (well, druid was in bear, but was tanking a single target, usually the casters, which he can't mitigate anyway >_<) as I was having a hard time keeping them up.. They just kept posting their 1337 crits and what not.
On my shaman I went there at 50 aswell, enhancement specced, and had an easier time keeping everyone alive, even though my druid is resto..

This is true.....if applied on the Horde....in my server.

[Icefrost]

Then again, the day this alliance player made a horde alt, it wasn't too many hours and I could no longer remember how many chat messages I had seen with the rough meaning of "l2p noob". Hadn't even said anything to anyone by that time. The first one I got for losing a duel iirc.

And besides, why is it that most of the time the horde is the only side who even bothers to constantly speak ill of their enemy?

[Mincemaker]

Then again, the day this alliance player made a horde alt, it wasn't too many hours and I could no longer remember how many chat messages I had seen with the rough meaning of "l2p noob". Hadn't even said anything to anyone by that time.
And besides, why is it that most of the time the horde is the only side who even bothers to constantly speak ill of their enemy?

In most servers, I think, Alliance outnumbers Horde, and consistently gank them throughout their time trying to get to 60 (before TBC), so when the Horde finally gets to face the Alliance on equal terms, and send them to graveyard repeatedly, they will, definitely, be gloating about their victory. And one way to do that is to speak ill of the Alliance.

[milqueman]

I know this may be a little off topic forn the original BG post, but it kind of follows what has been siad here. I'm going to draw my comparison between Alliance and Horde personalities.

First off, I've been playing for over 2 years now. I origianly started with a Horde Mage then a Horde shamen, both took to 60. The whole time my wife gave me a hard time about playing so much. Then I convinced to start playing. She really wanted to play Alliance and I couldn't stop her. So I created an Alliance Warrior and told myself this will let me see the other half of the game I'm paying for. I took my Warrior up to 60 and played him in the BG's too. So I can say that I have a decent understanding of both sides. Well, this is what I have learned:

1. When I play Horde I noticed people help out a lot more then on the Alliance. For example if I'm questing and I aggro too much by mistake and there's another Horde around, they usually run over and help kill or heal. This takes time out of what there we're doing and is not expected, but very nice. I didn't see this as much on the Alliance. Sure it happend but not as much. It happens A LOT on the horde. Also, the Horde is very giving with the buffs, I can run along and it seems I get buffs from random players all the time. Again, this happens on the alliance, but not nearly as much. In general, the Horde is more friendly and helpful to each other then the Alliance.

2. When I was leveling my Horde characters, I notcied that when I got to the 30+ areas when the two sides start mixing, that the Alliance would frequently pester any Horde they came across. Now I understand that there is "Roleplaying" and the two sides are "At war" and all, so a little messing around is to be expected. But after 20+ minutes of this NE or Dwarf (the two most common ones that pester) jumping around in front of me, ganking and what not, it starts bordering on childish and imature. At which point I shake my head and move on to a new area. But when I played my Alliance toon , I noticed when I got to the same areas, the Horde very rarly pestered me. In fact I remember once when I was questing at BB killing Bloodsail Buccaneers, this Horde was there and helped me kill to get to the vendor that sells the tailor pattern. THIS Horde was more interested in getting to the vendor then pestering the Alliance. Now I'm sure the Horde pesters the Alliance, but after level both sides to 60, I found the Alliance pesters the Horde A LOT more.

3. It seems to me that the Alliance has a lot more younger players then the Horde. And by younger I mean, 10 Years to 14 Years old. I think this might have something to do with the "Lord of the Rings" phenomanom. Where every little kid wants to play a Human/Elf/Dwarf. Now I have nothing against little kids, I have an 11 year old myself and he plays. (he plays both sides, but Allaince more, which supports my theory) With that said, I believe that more Mature minded people play the Horde, and in my opinion that makes for a more enjoyable play expireance. Sure there are younger kids that play Horde, but In my expirenace there are A LOT more on tha alliance. This can also been seen in the General Chat channel. There are a lot more imature things being said on the Alliance.

4. Taking what I said in #3 above, this would probably explain #1 and #2, maturity goes along way in an MMORPG.

5. After playing the Horde side, my wife and I deleted both our 60 charcters on the alliance, she has a lot more fun on the Horde. As do I. Also, IMHO the Alliance seemed to be more arrogant. Maybe this has something to do with the "lord of the Rings" syndrome - we're the "Good Guys" attitude. Granted, there is arrogance on both sides, just seen more of it on the Alliance. I think Mincemaker said it nicley, since the Alliance outnumbers the Horde, the Horde's arrogance only comes out when they beat the Alliance at soemthing. The "Ill talking" probably comes out on the Horde side becasue of what I said in #2 above, the whole "pestering" thing.


I know this was long winded, but I had to put my two cents in.

In closing, from what I have expirenced in over 2 years of playing both sides:

Horde = More mature and More helpful
Alliance = "lord of the rings" syndrome / Less mature / Less helpful.

[Icefrost]

First off, I've been playing for over 2 years now. I origianly started with a Horde Mage then a Horde shamen, both took to 60. The whole time my wife gave me a hard time about playing so much. Then I convinced to start playing. She really wanted to play Alliance and I couldn't stop her. So I created an Alliance Warrior and...

Dunno what you have been playing but your post matches my experiences to the letter. Reversed.

[StealthAssasin]

Dunno what you have been playing but your post matches my experiences to the letter. Reversed.

rofl aggreed

[Satsujin]

You know i think im gonna quit this game..

[CorinthianSC]

Dunno what you have been playing but your post matches my experiences to the letter. Reversed.


Different servers have different populations, and generate different results. Pretty simple.

[shifttusk]

AS a lvl 60 hordie, I killed anything red in vengance of my harrassed leveling.

[Icefrost]

Different servers have different populations, and generate different results. Pretty simple.

Obviously.
But if there is something most of us can agree on, its that the horde is the side that keeps announcing their own superiority in a far louder voice than the alliance.

[MadVlad]

(Reads previous comment. Spits coffee on screen. Wipes screen.)

[milqueman]

I've seen my fare share of Alliance "Announcing their own superiority" in a very loud voice. From both a 60 Horde and 60 Alliance perspective.

But then again, It probably has a lot to do with what server your'e on like CorinthianSC said.

[Clavina]

Obviously.
But if there is something most of us can agree on, its that the horde is the side that keeps announcing their own superiority in a far louder voice than the alliance.

There's nothing wrong with announcing the truth :grin:

...but i've never really seen this. Do you have examples?

[bwirum]

Clavina, how many threads have you seen from an alliance player stating: "Omg I tried to play a horde toon today and dang, those pesky people are the most immature beings around, much worse than alliance I tell ya!".

Not so many?

Ok, how many threads have you seen of the reverse?

This might be because it's true or it might be because of larger e-peens. I'll just let that fly around in the air now.

[Wayne K]

Clavina, how many threads have you seen from an alliance player stating: "Omg I tried to play a horde toon today and dang, those pesky people are the most immature beings around, much worse than alliance I tell ya!".

Not so many?

Ok, how many threads have you seen of the reverse?

This might be because it's true or it might be because of larger e-peens. I'll just let that fly around in the air now.

Thats because if they made a horde toon they wouldnt be able to say that, so they dont make the threads.:grin:


(obviously I am biased to the horde, but I am sure there are some that at as bad as some of the worst alli.)

[Icefrost]

"The difference between a wise and a clever man is that the clever man can talk himself out of trouble where the wise man would have never ended up in"

[Wolfsmane]

I would be interested in seeing data on the age groups of alliance vs horde on my server. I run an Alliance guild, mostly adult with a few mature exceptions and have been on Hyjal since shortly after live release. I have a 70 NE hunter, a 60 Dorf priest, a 45 NE Warrior and a 44 gnome lock....I also have a 60 tauren warrior for those times when running a raid guild began to eat at me..its a bit o work lemme tell ya.

Anyway, atleast on hyjal it seems the more childish general chat, from inane to rude is on the alliance side. When I started my horde war it was a much quieter, peaceful experience. The sole reason I still play alliance is to maintain my friendships with my guildmates and the sheer amount of time invested on that side I have.

I would put money down that atleast on my server the sheer majority of 13 year olds and below who have decided that general chat is the place to practice using 4 letter words is on the alliance side.

[Solarious]

You say that Horde general chat is peaceful. But have you experienced Barrens chat before? Good god, the place was like LUE, it was nonstop blather and idocity. The only reason I kept the general chat on was so I could spot LFG tells for the WC, and later, RFK and RFD.

Then again, when I was playing my NE Rogue, Auberdine (I might have misspelled that) was nearly as bad. Westfall and Goldshire with my Gnome Mage were also bad experiences. And those places aren't even famous for their bad etiquette!

Just goes to show how everyone can be idiots. Horde server is Onyxia and Alliance server was Executus, FYI. Both PvP.

[Imraath]

I did my first lot of PvP in AB today since the expansion came out... The char i'm leveling really needs one of the trinket rewards, so i'm kinda forced into it for 4k honour.

I just love the introduction of Blood Elves! Alliance won a truckload of matches today (for max honour!) and the blood elves are the only explination I can come up with. Finally you've got another 'pretty' race for the young ones to pick and run with.

Wondering if this is just blind luck or if others have experienced this?

[pincopiones]

Well thats true, i never like to play horde bacause they enviroment and enjoy a lot the NE racials, but seems like i have "horde hearth" (lol tho) i always help alliance/horde in troubles and usually hordes pay it forward ofthen than alliance.
I think need to delete or get in a new server and give it a tray (horde side).
Not sure wich race, forsaken so creepy and ever1 else so desert(The Barrens).
I got a new char in "Blood Furnace" server because the high majority of horde side(so hard to find one) and now have to find another but with high alliance majority side ¬¬.

[BigChiefSmokem]

another Alliance vs Horde thread... we all play both, and each faction/race/class have their own experiences - sometimes different, sometimes alike

give it a rest people because no one really cares and no matter what you say it WON'T CHANGE THE GAME - NOT EVEN BLIZZARD CAN CHANGE THE SOCIAL ASPECT OF HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED - DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY CAPS LOCK?

jeez f'ing christ you people...

[BigChiefSmokem]

I did my first lot of PvP in AB today since the expansion came out... The char i'm leveling really needs one of the trinket rewards, so i'm kinda forced into it for 4k honour.

I just love the introduction of Blood Elves! Alliance won a truckload of matches today (for max honour!) and the blood elves are the only explination I can come up with. Finally you've got another 'pretty' race for the young ones to pick and run with.

Wondering if this is just blind luck or if others have experienced this?

wow your error in logic amazes me... so you're saying because Blood Elves look like they're Alliance (i.e. are played by kids) they are causing your Horde group to suck... but your Horde group *is* already loosing to the Alliance "kids" and "pretty boys" - who by your logic - all suck too

that must mean you suck even worse than the Alliance - by your logic

so yeah... LRN2PLAY PVP kthanx :rolleyes:

[Stumanji]

To me, it seems to be like this:

Alliance will kill all Horde on sight.
Horde will kill any Alliance worth honor. The rest is a waste of time.

Alliance will taunt and showboat about their victories, no matter the style in which they won. I can't count how many times I've been ambushed by some ?? Rogue that did a /laugh after I was one-shotted. Or had a ?? pop out of nowhere to kill me just as I was seconds away from dropping a similarly-leveled Allliance, only to have both do a /laugh.
Horde will taunt and showboat only when they know they should have been killed first. Being ambushed by two Alliance, and somehow killing them both, Horde will do a /laugh or /spit, out of shock that the Alliance didn't get the kill.

Alliance camp Nesingwary's for HKs.
Horde clear Nesingwary's to turn in quests.

Alliance will do anything, including helping each other, just to kill a Horde.
Horde will generally stay out of fights that they can't win. As a Horde player, myself, this is rather frustrating.

Alliance lowbies are spotted more often with babysitters (people that are much too high level for the quests/zones the lowbie is doing).
Horde lowbies are spotted rarely with babysitters, but often in groups of 4 or 5 players.

Barrens chat = frontal lobotomy

[Xaintrix]

Stop it with the moral high ground stuff. You know as well as I that all of the above points can be seen on either side of the fence.

[Altaris]

To me, it seems to be like this:

Alliance will kill all Horde on sight.
Horde will kill any Alliance worth honor. The rest is a waste of time.

Alliance will taunt and showboat about their victories, no matter the style in which they won. I can't count how many times I've been ambushed by some ?? Rogue that did a /laugh after I was one-shotted. Or had a ?? pop out of nowhere to kill me just as I was seconds away from dropping a similarly-leveled Allliance, only to have both do a /laugh.
Horde will taunt and showboat only when they know they should have been killed first. Being ambushed by two Alliance, and somehow killing them both, Horde will do a /laugh or /spit, out of shock that the Alliance didn't get the kill.

Alliance camp Nesingwary's for HKs.
Horde clear Nesingwary's to turn in quests.

Alliance will do anything, including helping each other, just to kill a Horde.
Horde will generally stay out of fights that they can't win. As a Horde player, myself, this is rather frustrating.

Alliance lowbies are spotted more often with babysitters (people that are much too high level for the quests/zones the lowbie is doing).
Horde lowbies are spotted rarely with babysitters, but often in groups of 4 or 5 players.

Barrens chat = frontal lobotomy

I agree with pretty much all of that. Except I have found just as many braggarts on the horde side as on the alliance side.

And smokem, your posts are a waste of space. I find them rude and unncessary to the thread. There's no call to barge in here and blast someone for posting.

[Socalchyd]

To me, it seems to be like this:

Alliance will kill all Horde on sight.
Horde will kill any Alliance worth honor. The rest is a waste of time.

Alliance will taunt and showboat about their victories, no matter the style in which they won. I can't count how many times I've been ambushed by some ?? Rogue that did a /laugh after I was one-shotted. Or had a ?? pop out of nowhere to kill me just as I was seconds away from dropping a similarly-leveled Allliance, only to have both do a /laugh.
Horde will taunt and showboat only when they know they should have been killed first. Being ambushed by two Alliance, and somehow killing them both, Horde will do a /laugh or /spit, out of shock that the Alliance didn't get the kill.

Alliance camp Nesingwary's for HKs.
Horde clear Nesingwary's to turn in quests.

Alliance will do anything, including helping each other, just to kill a Horde.
Horde will generally stay out of fights that they can't win. As a Horde player, myself, this is rather frustrating.

Alliance lowbies are spotted more often with babysitters (people that are much too high level for the quests/zones the lowbie is doing).
Horde lowbies are spotted rarely with babysitters, but often in groups of 4 or 5 players.

Barrens chat = frontal lobotomy

Wow, so the Lvl ??? Tauren and his friends who kept ganking me (lowly lvl 30) the other day while I was just trying to finish my fellhunter quest were really Alliance players? And yesterday, when a lvl 29 rogue came out of stealth as I was fighting two Murlocs and slammed me must have been Alliance too. :rolleyes:

I roll characters on both sides and can tell you, it's the player not the team! There are good and bad people on both sides. Trying to say one is better or more honorable than the other is, how do I say this nicely, crap!

[Your Average WoW Player]

Well, in terms of PvE, the Alliance and the Horde is pretty good on my server. Tanks know how to tank, and Healers know how to heal. There really isn't that much glaring "1337 immaturity and my e-peen is the largest in the world" kinda **** on my server.

In terms of PvP, when I manage pull togather a half decent group of players and enter the BGs, we can do fairly decent. The server isn't bad. Just not seen a lot as it's a very casual server and doesn't do a lot of PvP. Hell, I'm lucky to see 2 including myself from my server in WSGs and ABs. Seeing 5 from my server is good for an AV.

[Stumanji]

Wow, so the Lvl ??? Tauren and his friends who kept ganking me (lowly lvl 30) the other day while I was just trying to finish my fellhunter quest were really Alliance players? And yesterday, when a lvl 29 rogue came out of stealth as I was fighting two Murlocs and slammed me must have been Alliance too. :rolleyes:

You said you were a "lowly lvl 30" and were killed by a 29 rogue. This means you were worth honor to him, and that doesn't contradict anything I said.

There are exceptions to every rule, by the way... and the ?? Tauren were that. :wink:

[Socalchyd]

You said you were a "lowly lvl 30" and were killed by a 29 rogue. This means you were worth honor to him, and that doesn't contradict anything I said.

There are exceptions to every rule, by the way... and the ?? Tauren were that. :wink:

Then I must be hitting ALL the exceptions cuz I was trying to level a brand new Pally last night and a lvl 70, a lvl 64 and a lvl 42 Horde kept killing all the NPCs on Amythist isle. They literally stuck around for over an hour and just kept killing the npcs, obviously just to be jerks as there was no incentive for them whatsoever as this is a noob area.

I've found way too many jerks on both sides of the game and since I've been playing Alliance more lately, the Horde jerks seem to be climbing out of the woodwork so it really bugs me for someone to come on here and lament how bad the Alliance is and how saintly the Horde is.

[Stumanji]

Then I must be hitting ALL the exceptions cuz I was trying to level a brand new Pally last night and a lvl 70, a lvl 64 and a lvl 42 Horde kept killing all the NPCs on Amythist isle. They literally stuck around for over an hour and just kept killing the npcs, obviously just to be jerks as there was no incentive for them whatsoever as this is a noob area.

QUESTION: How do you know they're level? Wouldn't they be ?? to you?

Second, did they come out of stealth and kill the NPC that someone was trying to speak to? Cuz an Alliance did that to me in Ratchet. I just did a /laugh, cuz I thought it was funny.

Anyway, I never said anything about killing NPCs. The Alliance raid Crossroads daily on my server - mostly to just get the attention of some Horde players for some open world PvP. Chances are, the Horde that were killing NPCs were doing it for the same reason.

[kevagron]

QUESTION: How do you know they're level? Wouldn't they be ?? to you?



Some of the addons display a player level even if he would normally be ?? to you. I'm pretty sure these aren't illegal mods (but not 100% sure).

[murderousmic]

I just have to share some frustration.

I'm dorf hunter in 50-59 bracket and I'm playing AB and WSG to get my tokens for a Black ram mount at 60.

This has never happened to me but I'm in AB and of course there are some kids in there saying "just let horde win so we can make this quick." So I respond, like i always do to that, "I'm not losing on purpose and will make this as long as I possibly can."

So our group is split between those idiots who want to lose and those of us who want to win and the people who want to lose just spam bg chat the entire time and probably dont even play. The entire time they're barking "lets lose already" those of us who want to win are kicking arse, and we have the lead by like 200 the whole game. We're saying "we're winning, you will get 3 tokens if we win instead of 1, doesn't that make sense to you?" No, they can't possibly comprehend that superior logic. We win in the end, so I go and get back in the AB queue and I get in the WSG queue too so that I can get in quicker.

AB pops up first and i go back in. Same idiots who want to lose are in there again but it seems more people want to lose this time. We get the typical shouting battle on bg chat and fall far behind horde. Then I see a couple dancing naked at Stables, our only node. Then more join and there is like 7-8 peopel doing nothing but dancing naked at stables!

Then fate happened and I get a popup to go into WSG. I didn't know you could leave AB to go to a new WSG, and I thought I would get deserter status but I didnt care. So i click it and go into WSG. Sweet it worked, no deserter status and I'm away from the n00bs. Turns out there were a bunch of AB exiles in this WSG who wanted to win badly. Then we proceed to put a hurting on horde.

I don't get it, why do people pug and try the lose quick strategy? It never works that way, half of the people are always there to win and the loss will just come slowly. Why not try, get more tokens and extra honor? You will end up there the same amount of time anyways.

Oh yeah, becuse they are teh suck at pvp, and life in general, and should be banned from BG's forever so I don't have to deal with 7 naked dancing noobs at stables.

[rgirty]

I just have to share some frustration.

I'm dorf hunter in 50-59 bracket and I'm playing AB and WSG to get my tokens for a Black ram mount at 60.

This has never happened to me but I'm in AB and of course there are some kids in there saying "just let horde win so we can make this quick." So I respond, like i always do to that, "I'm not losing on purpose and will make this as long as I possibly can."

So our group is split between those idiots who want to lose and those of us who want to win and the people who want to lose just spam bg chat the entire time and probably dont even play. The entire time they're barking "lets lose already" those of us who want to win are kicking arse, and we have the lead by like 200 the whole game. We're saying "we're winning, you will get 3 tokens if we win instead of 1, doesn't that make sense to you?" No, they can't possibly comprehend that superior logic. We win in the end, so I go and get back in the AB queue and I get in the WSG queue too so that I can get in quicker.

AB pops up first and i go back in. Same idiots who want to lose are in there again but it seems more people want to lose this time. We get the typical shouting battle on bg chat and fall far behind horde. Then I see a couple dancing naked at Stables, our only node. Then more join and there is like 7-8 peopel doing nothing but dancing naked at stables!

Then fate happened and I get a popup to go into WSG. I didn't know you could leave AB to go to a new WSG, and I thought I would get deserter status but I didnt care. So i click it and go into WSG. Sweet it worked, no deserter status and I'm away from the n00bs. Turns out there were a bunch of AB exiles in this WSG who wanted to win badly. Then we proceed to put a hurting on horde.

I don't get it, why do people pug and try the lose quick strategy? It never works that way, half of the people are always there to win and the loss will just come slowly. Why not try, get more tokens and extra honor? You will end up there the same amount of time anyways.

Oh yeah, becuse they are teh suck at pvp, and life in general, and should be banned from BG's forever so I don't have to deal with 7 naked dancing noobs at stables.

This is standard human behavior.

When I drive by the 10 or 15 people who choose not to work, live off government assistance.. food stamps etc rather than go to work they have the same mindset.

Why work hard for rewards when you can sit, do nothing and still get enough to get by.

Some people want to actually carry their weight and succeed, others just want to leech off the system and are lazy..want to be as lazy as possible.

I'm the only person in my entire housing complex with a job. Don't feel bad that you were one of the few people actually trying in ab.

[murderousmic]

This is standard human behavior.

When I drive by the 10 or 15 people who choose not to work, live off government assistance.. food stamps etc rather than go to work they have the same mindset.

Why work hard for rewards when you can sit, do nothing and still get enough to get by.

Some people want to actually carry their weight and succeed, others just want to leech off the system and are lazy..want to be as lazy as possible.

I'm the only person in my entire housing complex with a job. Don't feel bad that you were one of the few people actually trying in ab.

Where the hael do you live??

Yeah I guess it's human nature to some. Everyday at lunch and when I'm coming home from work I get off on the same freeway offramp and see the same people day in and day out begging for money. I live in a warm climate and being homeless is like being a surf bum, sometimes they're hippies, sometimes just bums. Naturally I don't give them crap but some of those people are out there six hours a day in the same spot, with the same sign, same ugly face, begging.

I guess I just can't understand their mindframe, and likely never will, but it's maddening.

[Ayrijo]

I just have to share some frustration.

I'm dorf hunter in 50-59 bracket and I'm playing AB and WSG to get my tokens for a Black ram mount at 60.

This has never happened to me but I'm in AB and of course there are some kids in there saying "just let horde win so we can make this quick." So I respond, like i always do to that, "I'm not losing on purpose and will make this as long as I possibly can."

So our group is split between those idiots who want to lose and those of us who want to win and the people who want to lose just spam bg chat the entire time and probably dont even play. The entire time they're barking "lets lose already" those of us who want to win are kicking arse, and we have the lead by like 200 the whole game. We're saying "we're winning, you will get 3 tokens if we win instead of 1, doesn't that make sense to you?" No, they can't possibly comprehend that superior logic. We win in the end, so I go and get back in the AB queue and I get in the WSG queue too so that I can get in quicker.

AB pops up first and i go back in. Same idiots who want to lose are in there again but it seems more people want to lose this time. We get the typical shouting battle on bg chat and fall far behind horde. Then I see a couple dancing naked at Stables, our only node. Then more join and there is like 7-8 peopel doing nothing but dancing naked at stables!

Then fate happened and I get a popup to go into WSG. I didn't know you could leave AB to go to a new WSG, and I thought I would get deserter status but I didnt care. So i click it and go into WSG. Sweet it worked, no deserter status and I'm away from the n00bs. Turns out there were a bunch of AB exiles in this WSG who wanted to win badly. Then we proceed to put a hurting on horde.

I don't get it, why do people pug and try the lose quick strategy? It never works that way, half of the people are always there to win and the loss will just come slowly. Why not try, get more tokens and extra honor? You will end up there the same amount of time anyways.

I never have this problem with my 40-49 bracket alliance. And while I do admit that Horde are superior in AB PVP, I'm thinking that the advantage they hold is getting smaller; Alliance won everytime I played today (four), 15 on 15 for the majority of the match.

[Mincemaker]

I just have to share some frustration.

I'm dorf hunter in 50-59 bracket and I'm playing AB and WSG to get my tokens for a Black ram mount at 60.

This has never happened to me but I'm in AB and of course there are some kids in there saying "just let horde win so we can make this quick." So I respond, like i always do to that, "I'm not losing on purpose and will make this as long as I possibly can."

So our group is split between those idiots who want to lose and those of us who want to win and the people who want to lose just spam bg chat the entire time and probably dont even play. The entire time they're barking "lets lose already" those of us who want to win are kicking arse, and we have the lead by like 200 the whole game. We're saying "we're winning, you will get 3 tokens if we win instead of 1, doesn't that make sense to you?" No, they can't possibly comprehend that superior logic. We win in the end, so I go and get back in the AB queue and I get in the WSG queue too so that I can get in quicker.

AB pops up first and i go back in. Same idiots who want to lose are in there again but it seems more people want to lose this time. We get the typical shouting battle on bg chat and fall far behind horde. Then I see a couple dancing naked at Stables, our only node. Then more join and there is like 7-8 peopel doing nothing but dancing naked at stables!

Then fate happened and I get a popup to go into WSG. I didn't know you could leave AB to go to a new WSG, and I thought I would get deserter status but I didnt care. So i click it and go into WSG. Sweet it worked, no deserter status and I'm away from the n00bs. Turns out there were a bunch of AB exiles in this WSG who wanted to win badly. Then we proceed to put a hurting on horde.

I don't get it, why do people pug and try the lose quick strategy? It never works that way, half of the people are always there to win and the loss will just come slowly. Why not try, get more tokens and extra honor? You will end up there the same amount of time anyways.

Oh yeah, becuse they are teh suck at pvp, and life in general, and should be banned from BG's forever so I don't have to deal with 7 naked dancing noobs at stables.

I feel you because there are similar bunch of morons who makes the majority of the Horde in battlegroup Vengeance. Yes, these morons do fight, but they seem to be blind to the BG chat, oh and they never ever read the winning strategy. And they never listen.

In AB, they ALWAYS go for the stables, leaving only a handful who truly wants to win instead of honor farming to guard the nodes we do cap. And when we yell for incoming, guess what? None came!

In WSG, they always zerg, but since zerg works pretty fine if done correctly in WSG, it is bearable. We have a 50-50 chance of winning in there.

AV is also 50-50 since zergs do work a little well if it is done fast enough (e.g. use high ground, don't fight on the bridge, you know the deal) and there's at least one group delaying the enemy.

EoS, well, that's where the most number of morons show their faces. Let's see, they always GO FOR THE FLAG instead of focusing on capturing and securing towers. I had seen people yelling for tower cap, and very frequently, a three tower cap (which is a winning strategy since you generate points way faster than the allies even if they capture all the flags), but nobody EVER listens.

I don't go into a BG to honor farm. I go in there to win the fight and secure more honor and tokens. But if I ever enter a BG where I'm teammed with people who never listen to winning strategy and do as they pleased, really, I'm not going to lift a finger to help. Why waste my tears, blood and efforts over a bunch of idiots who does not seem to want to win? And I don't stain my blades for a bunch of monkeys.

[DevilDare]

I hate Alliance more then i do Horde, but i play alliance. And its so sucks, in WSG there is like 4 of them at the flag room defending it and only 3 outside and then horde comes in and all i could see (i was on the roof of alliance base) is my teammates not even bothering to attack him. And when u come in horde flag room u better start running cos they will chase u even if u don have the flag. That may sound funny but it helps and it helps alot.

Bad side of horde is that they kill NPC usually in westfall. When i was questing in there all npc were killed and i could not turn in quests. When they appear i turn in the quest and about to pick up one and bahm he is dead again. I see ?? druid tauren and he doesnt bother killing me nor lvl 60 he is just messing around with NPC. And then u see alliance "this is our land, kill the horde (lvl 50 mage) (god damn roleplayers) wtf? he is the lvl 50 and we are like 15+ , damn pussy (sorry for swearing) i dont know what i meant to say here but it just typed out.

So i prefere Horde but i play alliance, dot know why.

[MapleBarb]

I hate Alliance more then i do Horde, but i play alliance. And its so sucks, in WSG there is like 4 of them at the flag room defending it and only 3 outside and then horde comes in and all i could see (i was on the roof of alliance base) is my teammates not even bothering to attack him. And when u come in horde flag room u better start running cos they will chase u even if u don have the flag. That may sound funny but it helps and it helps alot.

Bad side of horde is that they kill NPC usually in westfall. When i was questing in there all npc were killed and i could not turn in quests. When they appear i turn in the quest and about to pick up one and bahm he is dead again. I see ?? druid tauren and he doesnt bother killing me nor lvl 60 he is just messing around with NPC. And then u see alliance "this is our land, kill the horde (lvl 50 mage) (god damn roleplayers) wtf? he is the lvl 50 and we are like 15+ , damn pussy (sorry for swearing) i dont know what i meant to say here but it just typed out.

So i prefere Horde but i play alliance, dot know why.I am new at playing this game. One thing I have noticed is how the alliance side always gangs up on low lvls :(. I mean I'll be questing and just killing monsters. Next thing you know I'm surrounded by 4 or 5 ?? alliance chars who first kill me and then sit on my body for what seems like ages. Rather annoying to say the least

[Astross]

If you want to play with 40 year olds and immature 11 year olds, alliance is for you!

If you want to play with arrogant teenagers that think they are the best, horde is for you!

Both sides have their idiots to deal with...

[murderousmic]

I'm sure there are some battlegroups where Horde gets beat often, on my battlegroup I hear the Alliance twinks in the lvl 19 bracket never lose.

Still, it seems that a majority of the casual Alliance players just suck in general and not only in my battlegroup, but overall. Often times they just have a bad defeatist attitude and don't even think they can win. I guess that's what I get for running in PUG's but I don't really have the patience to find a good premade. And still, sometimes I get in a good PUG and we just roll horde, but that's about 1 out of 5 games. Of course there are some nights that I win more than 50% of games too but we lose more often than we win overall.

I would also like to petition Bliz to get rid of those quest rewards from winning an AV, or at least make it so that you can't use it until you're level 58. What these things do is every lvl 51 just wants to play an AV, get the crossbow or Ice Barbed Spear, and then go back to leveling. But, when you have 20 lvl 51's playing to get that spear, you have no chance of winning, and they keep coming back thinking they will get on a winning team. Too many lowbies in this bracket because of those rewards. And a lvl 51 lowbie compared to a well geared 60 is like a 20 level difference. Lvl 51's have NO CHANCE in this bracket but we get tons of them because of those stupid quest rewards.

I have also had tons of ganking by Horde while I was leveling up so nothing unique there. Hell, now that I'm a higher level character, anytime I'm near southshore or STV, I'll gank some horde, never camp though, I don't have time for that.

[MapleBarb]

If you want to play with 40 year olds and immature 11 year olds, alliance is for you!

If you want to play with arrogant teenagers that think they are the best, horde is for you!

Both sides have their idiots to deal with...I can say the VERY few people I played with in the hordes were very nice. One, who asked if anyone wanted a particular quest I needed, asked if anyone needed to complete it as well. When I said I did? he actualy waited a good 10 minutes for me to get to the place so that I could complete the quest with me. And amazingly enough? He then went on to thank me. Even tho, the way I looked at it? I had done nothing special.

My what were they thinking about story is: a friend of mine and I were lost and talking to each other. All of the sudden we got attacked by 2 alliance members. what made this time different then the others was: both of them were half our lvls. So later on him and I actualy wondered what possessed those 2 to attack us to begin with.

[Rowaa]

both of them were half our lvls. So later on him and I actualy wondered what possessed those 2 to attack us to begin with.

Pure hatred for murderous Horde brutes? Someone mentioned way earlier in thread that Alliance have "good guys" complex. Well, they do it for a reason. Playing Horde and witnessing their story in quests is pain for me, who liked WC3 Horde very much.

Undead can't think of any better quests than "go kill human civilians, pester high elves or help us create 'kill everyone' plague". Blood elves aren't any better: "we're evil, so go desecrate paladin's tomb or cathedral in Stratholme, har har har".

When both my Alliance and Horde got to Outland it was like this: proud and noble Orc warrior, remembering for all his life Hellscream for his deed against corruption comes to Falcon Watch and some haughty junkie in red says: "you know, your ancestral homeland is not corrupted enough, we need more, go kill some draenei paladins who try to clear it". What the hell? Why I can't just cleave this clown in two for just suggesting this? Disgust->inn->logout. Alliance character comes in and hears from commander near Legion forge camp: "well, were not exactly friends with Horde, but these Legion cannons are pointing at Thrallmar and we must stand together against demons, go and assure that cannons are destroyed". See? Who the hell would want to play for stereotypical evil barbarians when there are noble heroes available? And who would like them?

[MapleBarb]

Pure hatred for murderous Horde brutes? Someone mentioned way earlier in thread that Alliance have "good guys" complex. Well, they do it for a reason. Playing Horde and witnessing their story in quests is pain for me, who liked WC3 Horde very much.

Undead can't think of any better quests than "go kill human civilians, pester high elves or help us create 'kill everyone' plague". Blood elves aren't any better: "we're evil, so go desecrate paladin's tomb or cathedral in Stratholme, har har har".

When both my Alliance and Horde got to Outland it was like this: proud and noble Orc warrior, remembering for all his life Hellscream for his deed against corruption comes to Falcon Watch and some haughty junkie in red says: "you know, your ancestral homeland is not corrupted enough, we need more, go kill some draenei paladins who try to clear it". What the hell? Why I can't just cleave this clown in two for just suggesting this? Disgust->inn->logout. Alliance character comes in and hears from commander near Legion forge camp: "well, were not exactly friends with Horde, but these Legion cannons are pointing at Thrallmar and we must stand together against demons, go and assure that cannons are destroyed". See? Who the hell would want to play for stereotypical evil barbarians when there are noble heroes available? And who would like them?well I happen to think I'm a rather cute blood elf priest lol.

as for battlegrounds? I SOOOOOO hated the mount blood elfs have that I finaly decided to go and duel in the battlegrounds so I would be able to get the pvp wolf. I was surprised I've actualy been having fun there. I mean av can be simply enfuriating. But thats not because of the alliance. Its because of how many hordes simply sit there and do absolutely nothing. Its to the point you just wanna cuss them off. Because in some games its basically two thirds of them doing nothing while the rest of us gets our butts royally kicked :(. I really dont see their logic. I mean why settle for 1 honor mark when we have the chance of getting 3 if we win?? the other battlegrounds tho are more fun and we sometimes win or sometimes loose.

[woeye]

Funny, because in my battlegroup things are quite different. Horde actually never plays together whereas the Alliance shows some very good teamplay. In the lower level brackets I have never won a single game since BC came out. Sometimes it really smells like premades on Alliance side: glowing weapons everywhere (nightelf hunters and rogues) supported by paladins for healing.
And level 60-69 bracket isn't better, too. Whereas Alliance stays alway close together and favours teamwork most Horde players just go for solo mode. This has not been the case one year ago. I am really ashamed to be Horde these days :cry:

[Blugh]

Well I just finished my first BG (Arathi) and I am a lvl 28 human pally..i am new to the game.. only 3 weeks.. and from what i noticed so far is this.

1) At first the horde seemed to work together. But later the alliance didnt really work together but sticked close enough that any horde party that came we could take down (with loses). We did win that match. But it was fairly even all around.

2) Horde realllllly ganked me alot and others. One would be in a house near a flag and another invisible and come out and attack me when i am alone. And it was the same players at each flag. At one there were 10 horde just standing around waiting.

Now when it comes to maturity i think its equal on both size if there are the same amount of players on a channel.. If i am in IF its all trade talk and ppl waving and emoting to one another. And when i went to explore the horde places it was dead quite.. but there was no one around. So maybe ppl think alliance is more immature from the difference in volume of players on that side. I am sure if those players went over to Horde it would be the same as on the Alliance side.

Now for helping or killing. I have only come across one Horde player on my wanderings and he destroyed me 3 times.. would be invisible by my corpse.. so i resed at the angel and Heartstoned back to IF. I havent seen any Alliance killing of Horde yet unless they come to IF of course. And I myself always try to help others out and have many times gotten help from others.. i always seem to get some power cast on me by some random player.

Anyhoo thats my opintion on this matter.. opinion from a complete n00b to go with the vets here :)

Also for that "Lord of the Rings" phenomenon on i think page 2.. i completly agree.. minus them wanting to be human side cuz of LotR.. ppl wanna be human cuz well they are humans lol

[ExculMazhul]

I very very rarely see Alliance throwing buffs, healing friends in need, helping friends in need, doing good teamwork (Other than zerging 1 area in a BG... They're good at that.). Pre-BC was one of the only times I thought that the Alliance was actually a fairly good group of players that took skill... Then I started to notice "Wait a minute... Is that T2?" then a few months later "That's T3." and 1/2 the Alliance was in full sets of T1+ gear, whereas 1/2 our team had maybe up to T1.

Also, the whole "Horde shouts superiority louder" is nonsense. Let me ask you this, how often do you see Alliance dancing on the dead bodies of Horde members? Hmm... I think I'll go with around 1/2 the time. How many times do you see an Alliance char gank a lowbie multiple times? Again, around 1/2 the time. Horde may dance on the body of someone who's dead, but that's if we've really accomplished something, like an Alliance char killed us 5 times, now we killed them, time to dance.

[Blugh]

Well of course i can speak for other players but personally i buff ppl when i see unless of course they are a alot higher than me or a pally also and dont need it.. (actually alot of the times i get pallies putting Blessings on me that i can cast on myself lol).. and if i were in a contested area i wouldnt attack a horde unless attacked first (i know i suck) but hey i just wanna battle the mobs..

No dancing on me unless its a Mob thats hard or i almost died lol

[undeadgnome]

ok here's the thing: each side has idiotic people. In alliance people ignored me .... but In Horde people cured me all the time even when it wasn't needed but one time someone on horde kept harassing me saying for me to eat my own ....... nm. So either one has mean people.

[Findariel]

Funny that our experiences differ so much ^^

Personally, before TBC I played alliance and lost most matches (29-39-49 brackets). After TBC I strated to play horde and actually win by far the most BGs (even 24/25 matches a week ago in the 20-29).

Most people I know agree that in these brackets, horde wins approximately 70%. Although you can have bad luck if there's some alliance twink or pre-made guild playing all evening, of course.

[PlayThemAll]

Based on my BG exp:

For me WSG 10-19 bracket playing horde seems like Alliance always wins. Although I haven't played this toon since the gear matching went into play.

At level 40-49 AB (Alliance) Horde ruled on my sever.

Level 51-60 AV (Alliance) horde rules on my server. I've yet to win a single BG. Part of the issue I saw is that there wee way too many lvl 51-55 players, putting alliance at a severe disadvantage. I think everyone was trying to get their Ice Barbed Spear and skewing the level balance of the BG. (and then spamming their discontent over the BG chat.)

[xDarkDrifterx]

Just take it upon yourself to Communicate when no one else is . . . I have noticed that alot of the Alliance "kids" just need to be told where to go and what to do (points head and runs in that directions without looking).

So, you be the one communicating - "3 Inc Mine", "Rogue Inc Tunnel", "6 Inc Stables, grab something else while they're busy" (this last one works like a charm too).

Oh yeah, and don't play too late @ night - IMO - it's when all the hospitality people get home from work (I used to be one of them) and these are your twinks and late night gamers that you probably don't want to go up against - unless you're geared and skilled as well.

[MapleBarb]

Funny that our experiences differ so much ^^

Personally, before TBC I played alliance and lost most matches (29-39-49 brackets). After TBC I strated to play horde and actually win by far the most BGs (even 24/25 matches a week ago in the 20-29).

Most people I know agree that in these brackets, horde wins approximately 70%. Although you can have bad luck if there's some alliance twink or pre-made guild playing all evening, of course.I was at av today. All I can say about that group of people were saying we were bad was a complement. Out of the 40 people there 13 did NO dmg or healing whatsoever. And another good number had 1 kill and then basically gave up.

I am really ashamed to be Horde these daysthere's games I feel the same way. And not because we lost. But because we didn't even try to win :cry:

[woeye]

there's games I feel the same way. And not because we lost. But because we didn't even try to win :cry:

Very well said. It far too often happens that players do not try to win. Heck, I would say they even do not care about the game at all. All they want to do is to "pwn" enemy players. These players only care about their own number of kills and damage done.
I don't know but sometimes I feel that damage done and kills just don't fit together with strategic team play. Sometimes I wish there was a big bad PvP battleground without any objectives at all. For those who don't care about teamplay. It's ok, let them zerg eachother. But I prefer players in my team who actually want to win the given objective.

[jasonclassic]

I put this in another thread to get visibility but you all should read up on "The Daedalus Project" -- this guy has done tons of research into the psychology of MMORPGs. It gives me an edge against others in BGs understanding what's going on in their head...

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/

specifically, "Does Horde PWN Alliance in PVP?"

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001545.php

[Toolio]

This thread is full of gross generalizations and does nothing but perpetuate the problems of faction bias. Well, most of it.

[jasonclassic]

This thread is full of gross generalizations and does nothing but perpetuate the problems of faction bias. Well, most of it.

LOL! Excellent Analysis! Now read some articles from that project above and see where those generalizations fit in. It's possible to sift through the bias and fit personality and style to many BG situations in a well-studied effort to out-smart your opponent, literally.

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." Ch. 3, "The Art of War", Sun Tzu

[Maelfurion]

I think theres nothing wrong with choosing a side/race by their looks. I went alliance after leveling a low lvl horde, I just didn't like the look of Durotar cuz its orange and burned my eyes.

i went dwarf and enjoyed it more. Coming from a terrible MMo comunity, I find its quite nice the ppl on alliance. So I lvled up several character on ally.

It's true I see a lot of ppl just searching for problems on general chat. I was LFG in Netherstorm, and ppl start flamming me cuz of a typo...I just ignore them and find a guildy to help me.

My advice for ally players is to find a good friendly mature (big) guild where you can do most of the stuff with them instead of PUGs.

As of Bg, you can organize events like WSG or AV where you get most of your guild members in it.

[ZeBrain]

How to deal with griefers.

So you get ganked...Take the time to run back, and ganked again...
It seems the ganker is persistent.

Go make dinner.

Go do something else you like doing.

Ganker sits around for awhile, wasting time, but you are still doing something worthwhile.

GG! :grin:

[AlCapwn]

How to deal with griefers.

So you get ganked...Take the time to run back, and ganked again...
It seems the ganker is persistent.

Go make dinner.

Go do something else you like doing.

Ganker sits around for awhile, wasting time, but you are still doing something worthwhile.

GG! :grin:

Yeah, I adopt this method as well. I've always got my guitar by my side for a quick jam, so if a corpse camper is persistent enough, I'll be off learning a new song while he sits there 'laughing' at me. Rather ironic situation if I do say so myself.

As for BG experience, I have found several consistences among my fellow alliance players that just REALLY frustrate me:
1. Absolutely no communication whatsoever.
2. HK farming seems to be on their agenda more then actually fulfilling the task (i.e getting the flag/capturing the base and defending it).

My teams vary from day to day in my experience. I had my first ever string of 7 wins in a row in WSG on Thursday, for instance. This was then immediately followed up by a new batch of players...and I then lost 6 in a row. Frustrating to say the least after such a good start.

[Zendarin]

<sigh> Lets be real people. It's going to vary from server to server. I play on both sides and I see a mature group on both sides and an immature group on both sides. Where they seem to be at any given time varies.

Maybe the fact that I typically play late at night means I rarely experience immature Alliance but if you stereotype either faction based on your own personal experience you are way off base as everyone's personal experience will be different as attested to by the above posts.

If you don't like the way alliance is on your server - try a different server or play at a different time and you will get a different experience. Same with Horde.

Of course - if you are happy where you are at then just play and enjoy the game.

Besides - BC is the real enemy.

[Findariel]

<sigh> Lets be real people. It's going to vary from server to server.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me, but aren't BGs always cross-server? In europe it's always the case!

Anyway from what I've seen, both alliance and horde run around like headless chickens (perhaps partially due to the fact that the long-term goal of PvP -being hks for epics- contradicts the BG objective). And I still don't understand why on my server-group horde still wins at least 75%.

[tWoWG]

pff well I think hordys have more skill in their little finger than 30 normal ally lvl 70s :/
they just care more about skill and win/lose than allies. When i see an ally he/she always tells me that they play *only* for fun -_-

allys= all arrogant. some high lvls are good. but exactly these high lvls are friends of hordes (lol)

hordys=more mature and serious ... arrogant too but hey.. this is wow lol
ofc here are nubs too but who cares as long as good players show them how to play :P

i remember...
in AB horde had all points and then farmed us at our GY and what did they do? they didnt go DIRECTLY to the GY! they stood TOGETHER in front of the gates and not like we allys do. run into the middle and get bashed when they all respawn.

well thats only my opinion :/

[fzyx]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me, but aren't BGs always cross-server? In europe it's always the case!

Anyway from what I've seen, both alliance and horde run around like headless chickens (perhaps partially due to the fact that the long-term goal of PvP -being hks for epics- contradicts the BG objective). And I still don't understand why on my server-group horde still wins at least 75%.

They are always cross server, but as far as I know, it is always the same group of servers that are involved in a battlegroup. So really, you wouldn't just want to switch servers, but switch battlegroups.

[murderousmic]

pff well I think hordys have more skill in their little finger than 30 normal ally lvl 70s :/
they just care more about skill and win/lose than allies. When i see an ally he/she always tells me that they play *only* for fun -_-

allys= all arrogant. some high lvls are good. but exactly these high lvls are friends of hordes (lol)

hordys=more mature and serious ... arrogant too but hey.. this is wow lol
ofc here are nubs too but who cares as long as good players show them how to play :P

i remember...
in AB horde had all points and then farmed us at our GY and what did they do? they didnt go DIRECTLY to the GY! they stood TOGETHER in front of the gates and not like we allys do. run into the middle and get bashed when they all respawn.

well thats only my opinion :/

Mature? Hahaha, way to contradict yourself in the very same post.

On my server there are more Horde than Alliance, and I assume the battlegroup is generally the same. There is another well-known pvp server in the battlegroup which i believe is horde-dominated as well. Pre-lvl 70, when I queued up for battlegrounds there were usually a full horde squad and about half as many Alliance for the first few minutes until people eventually trickled in. This resulted in immediate Horde advantage which would usually hold for the rest of the match.

At 70 things are generally much more even. Of course Horde still pretty much owns AB and Alliance wins 95% of AV. It's good to be alliance if you need the honor...

[moopy]

Anyway from what I've seen, both alliance and horde run around like headless chickens (perhaps partially due to the fact that the long-term goal of PvP -being hks for epics- contradicts the BG objective). And I still don't understand why on my server-group horde still wins at least 75%.

This misconception is exactly why people run around like headless chickens. HKs don't allow you to buy the items, honour and tokens do. You'll get more of both in a shorter time by winning, or at least scoring some objectives. HKs yeild virtually no honour, and losing only gives a single token.

For example, all the idiots who zerg around SH in AV are just harming themselves. If they went off and dropped a few enemy NPCs/capped areas, they'd get more honour, and make it likely that their side would win, as there would be fewer adds to kill at the end while taking the boss down. In WSG, a few flag caps really make all the difference, etc. In EoS, you get honour relative to your score, even if you lose, so getting the highest score you can will do you much more good than getting involved in a pointless zerg miles from an objective.